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Is this the making of a national champion or a deal at risk of collapse? Sunway breaks its silence on the high-stakes IJM move. Valuation disputes, strategic intent, and what this means for Malaysia’s corporate landscape.

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00:00Music
00:07Dalam dunia corporate, setiap deal bukan sekadar angka.
00:10Ia mencerminkan hala tuju kuasa pasaran dan narrative masa depan.
00:15Cadangan pengambilan IGM oleh Sunwey Berhad mencetuskan persoalan besar.
00:19Adakah ini langkah strategik untuk melahirkan juara nasional
00:23atau satu pertaruhan berisiko dalam landscape ekonomi yang semakin mencabar
00:27With a offer of $3.15 for a sale,
00:30and a discussion about the value of the sale,
00:35it's not only a deal, but a deal in the right time.
00:38For us, we have a great strategy,
00:41and a big picture in the back.
00:44We are now with my studio,
00:48Dr. Anwar Taik, President Sunwey Berhad.
00:51Thank you, Dr.
00:52How are you?
00:53Well, thank you for having me.
00:56Thank you, Dr.
00:56Because we are ready to talk about the deal or no deal
01:01between IGM and Sunwey.
01:03We see Sunwey as a way to build a national championship.
01:08But beyond the scale, beyond the size,
01:12what are the advantages and weaknesses that IGM brought to Sunwey
01:18that you can see at this time?
01:20For us, first of all,
01:22our goal is to build a national championship.
01:28When we say national championship,
01:30we take inspiration from 1992,
01:36Thomas Badminton.
01:37At that time, we had Tansri Elias Umar,
01:42Dato' Pancikunalan,
01:44we had The Siddiq Brothers,
01:46we had Chia Sun Kid,
01:50and all of those players.
01:52We had several people,
01:54several people,
01:55several people,
01:58to become the winner of Piala Thomas 1992.
02:02So, for us,
02:04when we look at IGM,
02:06IGM is a Malaysian company,
02:08same with us.
02:36And when we look at both of us,
02:38especially when we look at both of us,
02:39especially on the construction side.
02:40They are mostly on the infrastructure.
02:44We are mostly in data center.
02:46And then afterwards,
02:48we do integrated development,
02:50hospitals and whatnot.
02:51They also do residential and electronics.
02:55So, if you combine the two,
02:57imagine the kind of industry that we can work in.
03:03And not just in Malaysia,
03:05we have to also think about
03:07ASEAN has 650 million people.
03:10Yes.
03:10And at a various degree of,
03:13various level of development.
03:15So, they'll be needing more infrastructure.
03:17They'll be needing power plants.
03:19They'll be needing the building of dams.
03:21They'll be needing townships to be developed.
03:24So, these are the things that,
03:26pada pandangan kami,
03:28the combination would actually be very beneficial
03:31to the shareholders of the Enlarged Sunway IGM
03:36as well as to Malaysia.
03:39So, if we look at the combination,
03:41it may have a very big benefit.
03:45But, we know that the combination
03:46of the combination is that
03:48maybe there is a risk to come together.
03:52When the two small groups are combined,
03:54people will often ask,
03:57if the company is capable
03:58and they will be more fixed
03:59if they can be more damaged.
04:02So, how does Sunway
04:04ask that the larger scale
04:06that is not to be tested?
04:08If the company is not to be tested,
04:08or if they were able to make decisions,
04:10or if they are not to be tested?
04:12That is a very important question.
04:15For us in Sunway,
04:17even today,
04:18we are actually managing Sunway through a very lean system.
04:26So, we have 13 divisions
04:30In the 13 divisions, every CEO, every division will have their own autonomy
04:37They have their own delivery that they have to do
04:42Whereas for me, the president of the organization
04:46Together with people in what we call executive committee
04:50And a chat by Tansi Jeffrey
04:54We look at integration
04:56So, we build, so basically, each business have to look after its own delivery
05:05And then, at times close by and opportunities arise
05:09There will be integration that we must insist
05:12So, katagalah, property dengan construction
05:15Construction dengan building material
05:17So, these are things that we do
05:20So, as an example
05:22We do health care
05:23Health care is a sanctuary
05:26Which is senior living
05:27And nearby, there is a hotel
05:29So, that if you know, sanat sedaga, siapa yang sakit
05:32They could melawat, can stay at the hotel
05:34So, we build that ecosystem
05:38So, that is the way we live
05:40And when we look at the combination
05:41Dengan IJM
05:43IJM ada lebih kurang
05:45Tiga atau empat division yang lebih kurang sama
05:48Dia ada property, kita ada property
05:51Dia ada, apa ni
05:53Construction, kita pun ada construction
05:57Kemudian, yang ada sedikit berlainan
06:00Ialah, dia ada port dan infrastructure
06:03Walhal kita pun ada infrastructure
06:05Kita ada dua infrastructure
06:06Dua, apa ni
06:08Highway di India
06:09Under some way construction
06:10Bila kita tengok gabungan kedua
06:14Sebenarnya, whilst there are areas that
06:18We are, the divisions that we have together
06:20The level of togetherness itu
06:23Tak ada, tak ada bertindak
06:25So, sebagai contohnya
06:27Kalau kita tengok
06:28Bahagian property lah
06:30Kami
06:33Kawasan kami ialah di Bandar Sanwi
06:36Iskandar Puteri di Johor
06:39Then, what they call Ipoh
06:42Near Tambun
06:43That area
06:45Kemudian, kita ada hub yang lain-lain lah
06:47RTS di Johor Baru
06:48Seremban Central
06:50Forest Heights di Negeri Sembilan
06:53Velocity di, what they call
06:57Di Lembah Kelang
06:57And then, we have
06:59Di Seberang Perai
07:01Kita ada near Sunway Carnival
07:02And some
07:03Di, what they call
07:05Di Penang
07:06And, kita
07:07Bila kita tengok
07:08Di mana
07:10What they call IJM
07:11Operasi IJM
07:13Mostly Penang
07:14The lights
07:15And then Rimbayu
07:16Over in Selangor
07:18And then, they also have
07:20Near the Pasir Gudang area
07:22In Johor
07:23And they also have Seremban Dua
07:25So, if you look at it
07:26There's a lot of
07:28Almost
07:30Complementary location
07:31So, kita tak rasa dia akan jadi
07:33Lebih kompleks
07:36This is the ability
07:38And the capacity
07:39And the readiness
07:40When both are combined together
07:42Saya akan mencakap juga
07:44Mengenai tawaran
07:45Datuk
07:46Iaitu
07:46RM3.15
07:47Sezaham
07:48Di mana kita lihat juga
07:49Penasihat Bebas
07:50Dan juga lembaga IJM sendiri
07:51Melihat ia terlalu rendah
07:53So, tentu kita ingin maham
07:54Bagaimanakah pandangan ini berbeza
07:56Adakah Sunway merasakan
07:57Pasaran
07:58Masih belum melihat
07:59The true value of this team
08:01Bagaimana
08:01So, saya kadang-kadang
08:04Yelah, kita
08:05Memang masa
08:08Kita menanti
08:10Masa dia punya
08:11Independent advisor
08:12Punya
08:12Punya
08:13Result
08:13Walaupun
08:14Kita nak tengok
08:15Dia punya number lah
08:16Masa tu
08:17Kita memang
08:18Dah anticipate
08:18Dia akan kata
08:19Unfair
08:20And unreasonable
08:21It has to do
08:22Dengan
08:23The nawai tu
08:24Okay
08:24Our goals
08:26How
08:26Who
08:27What are the motivations
08:29Of each party
08:31In doing so
08:32When we look at
08:33The independent parties
08:34Independent advisor
08:36And
08:37Roschal
08:38Those are hired by IJM
08:40So, if you're on a defensive
08:42Your interest is to put
08:44The intrinsic value
08:45To be as high as you can
08:47Against the offer
08:49But
08:50Let's go and look at
08:51Apa
08:52Selain daripada
08:53Selain daripada
08:54The two parties
08:55We also have
08:5614 independent
08:59Investment houses
09:00Dia tak ada
09:01Siapa bayar pun
09:02Dia buat
09:02Dia punya
09:03Investment
09:03Sendiri
09:03Dia punya
09:04Opinion sendiri
09:05And on average
09:07Dia punya target price
09:08Target price
09:09Dia punya average
09:10Was 3
09:10I think
09:113 ringgit
09:12And 3 ringgit
09:13And 24 sen
09:14Something like that
09:15So, Walhal
09:17Yang Roschal
09:18Dengan
09:18M&A kata
09:20Between
09:204.5 sampai 6
09:22Okay
09:22Then kita tengok
09:24Apakah yang
09:25Actual
09:26So, so far
09:27In the past
09:2815 month
09:31Harga saham
09:33IJM
09:33Tak pernah pun
09:34Naik lebih
09:34Daripada
09:353 ringgit
09:353 ringgit
09:37So, basically
09:38For us
09:39And bila
09:40Kita tengok
09:40The last
09:416 bulan
09:436 bulan
09:44Sebelum
09:45Sebelum offer
09:45Dia semua
09:46In the range
09:47Of 240
09:47So, now
09:49You start to say
09:50That's why
09:51For us
09:51We look at it
09:52We offer 3.15
09:53Because it is
09:54Already about
09:5420%
09:55More than
09:56Dia punya harga
09:57Pasaran
09:57Average
09:57So, that's why
09:59We think
10:00It is
10:00Value
10:01Accretive
10:02And then
10:03So, that's
10:04Why
10:04Pada saya
10:06Kita kena
10:07Tengok
10:08All of
10:09These
10:10Orang kata
10:10Opinion
10:11So, kita
10:13Tengok
10:13Opinion
10:14Dan
10:15Motif
10:16Bagi kami
10:17Kita bagi
10:19Pada
10:193 ringgit
10:2015 cent
10:21Sebenarnya
10:21Pada kami
10:22Ialah
10:22Satu
10:24Aras
10:25Yang
10:25Fair
10:26Yang
10:27Untuk
10:28Fair
10:28To
10:28Sunway
10:29Shareholders
10:30As well
10:31As to
10:31RGM
10:31Shareholders
10:32Bila
10:32Dia bertukar
10:34Kepada
10:37Sunway
10:38Share
10:38They would
10:39Actually
10:40Gain about
10:4020%
10:41Plus
10:41On the
10:42Transaction
10:43And then
10:44Afterwards
10:44Would
10:44Actually
10:45Enjoy
10:45Sunway
10:46Future
10:47Growth
10:47And
10:48Let me
10:49Say a
10:49Little
10:49Bit
10:49About
10:50Performance
10:51Sunway
10:51Versus
10:52HGM
10:52As well
10:53Kalau kita
10:54Tengok
10:54Tahun
10:55Lepas
10:56Dari
10:57Segi
10:57Margin
10:58Profit
10:59Before
10:59Tax
11:00Margin
11:00On
11:01All
11:01The
11:01Division
11:02I
11:02Think
11:02There's
11:03Only
11:03One
11:03Division
11:03About
11:04The
11:04Same
11:0417
11:0518
11:05Peratus
11:06But
11:07All
11:07The
11:07Other
11:07Division
11:08Yang
11:08Kita
11:09Ada
11:09Business
11:10Bersama
11:11Di
11:11Area
11:12Yang
11:12Sama
11:13Sunway
11:14Have
11:15Easily
11:165-6%
11:17Better
11:18Margin
11:19Than
11:19Them
11:19So
11:20This
11:20Over
11:21The
11:21Past
11:21Five
11:21Years
11:22Kalau
11:22Kita
11:22Equalize
11:23Katakanlah
11:24IGM
11:25Dapat
11:25Similar
11:25Margin
11:26As
11:26Sunway
11:27Itu
11:28Akan
11:29Ada
11:29Unjukkan
11:29300
11:30Juta
11:31Setahun
11:32Lebih
11:33Dalam
11:34Profit
11:35Before
11:35Tax
11:36This
11:36Is
11:36Keuntungan
11:37Sebelum
11:37Cukai
11:38And
11:39That
11:39Could
11:40Actually
11:40Become
11:40After
11:41Be
11:42Brought
11:43As
11:43Dividend
11:43Itu
11:45Untuk
11:46Masa
11:46Lima
11:46Tahun
11:46Kalau
11:47Kita
11:47Tengok
11:47Daripada
11:48Sepuluh
11:49Tahun
11:49Yang
11:49Yang
11:50Yang
11:50Yang
11:50Lalu
11:52Sunway
11:53Punya
11:54Return
11:55Ini
11:56Orang
11:56Kata
11:57Jumlah
11:58Pulangan
11:58Keseluruhan
11:59So
11:59This
12:00Is
12:00Shareholder
12:01Value
12:02Share
12:03Price
12:03And
12:03Dividend
12:04Sunway
12:05Has
12:05Actually
12:06Return
12:08387%
12:09Wow
12:10Whereas
12:11IGM
12:12Dalam
12:13Sama
12:13Have
12:14Return
12:15Minus
12:169%
12:16Okay
12:17So
12:18Kalau
12:18You
12:18Ada
12:18Seribu
12:19Ringgit
12:20Investment
12:20Tahun
12:212016
12:21Di
12:23Sunway
12:23That value
12:24Have
12:25Gone
12:25Up
12:25To
12:25About
12:264,870
12:28Ringgit
12:28Okay
12:29Whereas
12:30If
12:30You
12:30Put
12:32Your
12:32Money
12:32In
12:32IGM
12:33You
12:34Have
12:34Lost
12:3490
12:35Ringgit
12:36So
12:36Your
12:36Value
12:37Become
12:37910
12:37If
12:38You
12:39Letak
12:39Duit
12:39Dalam
12:41FD
12:42You
12:43Sudah
12:43Dapat
12:44$1,500
12:45So
12:47We
12:48Go
12:48Back to
12:48The
12:49Question
12:49I
12:50Know
12:52The
12:52Nawaitu
12:52On
12:53The
12:53IA
12:54And
12:54The
12:55What
12:56They
12:56Call
12:56And
12:56And
12:57And
12:57Roshal
12:57On
12:58Defending
12:59Their
12:59Position
12:59But
13:00If
13:00I
13:01Were
13:01To
13:01Be
13:01Part
13:01Of
13:02The
13:02Management
13:02Of
13:02IGM
13:03It
13:04Is
13:04Also
13:04Showing
13:05To
13:05The
13:06World
13:06How
13:08One
13:08Thing
13:09Or
13:11How
13:12One
13:12Thing
13:12Is
13:12Our
13:13Performance
13:14Talking
13:15About
13:15Anticipating
13:16The
13:17Expectation
13:17The
13:17Opinion
13:18From
13:18This
13:18And
13:18You
13:19Just
13:19Share
13:19With
13:19The
13:19Comparison
13:20Between
13:20The
13:20Numbers
13:21And
13:21History
13:22History
13:23Numbers
13:23But
13:24People
13:25Are
13:25Anticipating
13:26The
13:26Risks
13:26Of
13:26It
13:26Mungkin
13:27Ada
13:27Yang
13:27Berpandangan
13:28Bahawa
13:28Selepas
13:29IGM
13:30Mungkin
13:30Akan
13:30Menanggu
13:30Risiko
13:31Masa
13:31Depan
13:32Sun
13:32Sunway
13:32Itu
13:32Sendiri
13:33Tapi
13:33Bagaimana
13:34Sunway
13:35Menanggung
13:36Ataupun
13:36Menangani
13:37Kebimbangan
13:37Ini
13:38Dato'
13:38So
13:39Kadang-kadang
13:40Kita nak
13:41Buat
13:41Unjuran
13:41Kedepan
13:42Kita tengok
13:43Prestasi
13:46Prestasi
13:48Sebelum
13:49Menilai
13:49Dia macam
13:50Kita nak
13:52Masuk
13:53Study
13:54Medical
13:54Mak saya
13:56Kata
13:56You
13:57Pandai
13:58Biology
13:58You
14:00Kena
14:00Selalu
14:01Dapat
14:01A
14:02Ambil
14:02Medical
14:03Tapi
14:04Saya
14:04Tahu
14:04Saya
14:05Malas
14:05Study
14:05Saya
14:07Lebih
14:07Suka
14:07Practical
14:08So
14:087-8
14:08Tahun
14:09Study
14:09It's not
14:09Something
14:10That I
14:10Like
14:10So
14:11Bila
14:12Interview
14:13Dengan
14:14Mara
14:14So
14:16The
14:19Offer
14:20Yang
14:20Bagi
14:20Buat
14:20Engineering
14:21Sebab
14:22Apa
14:22Dia
14:22Tengok
14:22Memang
14:23Saya
14:23Punya
14:24Curriculum
14:25Apa
14:25Semua
14:26Itu
14:27Bukan
14:28Jenis
14:28Orang
14:29Yang
14:29Boleh
14:29Dari
14:29Doktor
14:32Adakah
14:32Keputusan
14:34Saya
14:34Untuk
14:34Jadi
14:34Engineer
14:35Itu
14:35Satu
14:35Risiko
14:36Ya
14:37It
14:37Is
14:37But
14:38Masa
14:39Itu
14:40Saya
14:40Memang
14:40Berazam
14:41Nak
14:41Jadi
14:42Engineer
14:43So
14:43Kita
14:44Berusaha
14:45Jadi
14:46Sama
14:46Juga
14:47RGM
14:47Dengan
14:48Sunway
14:48Bila
14:49Bila
14:50Kita
14:50Kata
14:503
14:50Ringgit
14:5115
14:51Kita
14:52Bagi
14:5210%
14:54In cash
14:54In
14:5590%
14:57In
14:57Sunway
14:58Shares
14:58Kita
14:59Punya
14:59Niat
15:00Itu
15:00Supaya
15:01Semua
15:02Yang
15:03Semua
15:04Shareholder
15:05IJM
15:05Akan
15:06Berpindah
15:07Berhijrah
15:07Kepada
15:08Sunway
15:08Kita
15:09Tak
15:09Nak
15:09Dikeluar
15:09Sebab
15:11Kita
15:11Berterima
15:12Kasih
15:13Bukan
15:13Sama
15:13Seperti
15:14EPF
15:14Diorang
15:15Also
15:15Shareholder
15:16To
15:16Sunway
15:17Sekarang
15:18So
15:18They
15:18Must
15:19Have
15:19Gained
15:20The
15:21387%
15:22That
15:23We
15:23Have
15:23Delivered
15:24Over
15:24The
15:24Past
15:2410
15:24Years
15:24And
15:25We
15:25Want
15:25To
15:25Continue
15:26With
15:26It
15:27People
15:27Keep
15:28Saying
15:28There's
15:28A
15:28Risk
15:29And
15:29What
15:29Not
15:29But
15:30Would
15:31You
15:31Take
15:31A
15:32Risk
15:32With
15:32Somebody
15:33Who
15:33Has
15:34Performing
15:34Very
15:34Very
15:35Well
15:35Versus
15:36The
15:36One
15:37Who
15:37Has
15:37Not
15:37Performing
15:38For
15:38You
15:40And
15:40When
15:41You
15:41Look
15:41At
15:41All
15:42Of
15:42This
15:42Raya
15:42The
15:43Nice
15:43Part
15:43Raya
15:44Balik
15:44Kita
15:47Jumpa Balik
15:48Dengan
15:48Sanat
15:49Sedara
15:49Saya
15:51Threw up
15:52In
15:52Rengit
15:52Batu
15:53Pahad
15:53Keluarga
15:54Very
15:55Poor
15:55Very
15:56Very
15:56Poor
15:56Bapak
15:57Saya
15:57Cikgu
15:58Adik
15:58Ramai
15:59So
16:00Saya
16:02Sekarang
16:02Dah
16:02Jadi
16:03Wan
16:03Tua
16:03Ramailah
16:05Cousin
16:06Anak
16:06Sedara
16:07Semua
16:07Kebanyakannya
16:08Dia
16:08Jadi guru
16:10Kerja
16:11Garment
16:11Kerja
16:12Sendiri
16:12Simpan
16:13Duit
16:13Dalam
16:14Tabung
16:14Haji
16:14ASB
16:15Kan
16:16And
16:17Pada
16:17Dia
16:18Dia
16:18Tak
16:18Pandai
16:19Oh
16:19Nak
16:20Pergi
16:20Jadi
16:20You know
16:21Discussion
16:22Yang
16:22Kita
16:22Ada
16:23Kebanyakannya
16:23Harga
16:25Apa
16:25Harga
16:26Baja
16:26Naik
16:27Ketidak
16:28Ada
16:28Bonus
16:29Ketidak
16:30Kan
16:30Jadi
16:31Dia orang
16:32Bergantung
16:33Simpanan
16:33Dia orang
16:34Bergantung
16:34Kepada
16:35Tabung
16:35Haji
16:35ASB
16:36Apa
16:37Ni
16:38Pencin
16:38Gammon
16:39Kuap
16:39Kan
16:39EPF
16:40Kalau
16:41Dikerja
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