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00:03How would you characterize the growing reliance on the military power or the military forces instead of diplomacy?
00:12Conflict, it's a military aggression launched by the United States of America and Israel against the Republic of Iran. This
00:19is a factual issue.
00:24They will continue to believe, as I already mentioned, that what is not solved by power gives it more power.
00:34The one who refused that is the Israeli themselves and the Israeli government and the Israeli current prime minister.
00:47What are your concerns moving forward about the future of Gaza?
00:51No one is safe until everyone is safe with the Palestinian.
01:08Today, we are being joined by Palestine's ambassador to India, Abdullah M. Abu Shahwaj.
01:14In this exclusive interview, we will discuss about the humanitarian situation.
01:19We will discuss about the prospects for peace and Palestine's perspective on resistance and at the same time diplomacy.
01:29Thank you, Ambassador, for joining us today for this exclusive interview.
01:34First and foremost, I would like to understand from you, how has this ongoing conflict of Iran, Israel and the
01:42United States, how has that affected the Palestine's cause?
01:48Thank you so much indeed for having me and it's always good to be with the Indian media and it's
01:56always good to be on the screens to tell part of our stories.
02:02But back to your very important question, once you mentioned that the conflict, it's not a conflict, it's well known
02:11worldwide, it's an occupation, it's an Israeli.
02:17And if you go back to what is going right now, I mean between U.S.-Israel from one side and
02:26Iran from the other side, I think it's again not conflict, it's U.S.-Israel military aggression against Iran, not otherwise.
02:40But I'm back to, again, I'm going to leave it to you now to be more specific if there is
02:47something you would like to, me to shed light on it.
02:51If we are talking about being specific now that we are on the issue of the Israel-Iran war or
03:00the conflict at the same time that I mentioned, how would you characterize the growing reliance on the military power
03:08or the military forces instead of diplomacy in these international conflicts or to say in situations like these?
03:19Again, you back to use the same exact words that I cannot, as an ambassador of Palestine, to agree on
03:25it.
03:25I did not blame you, of course, when you mentioned conflict.
03:29It's not a conflict, it's a military aggression launched by the United States of America and Israel against the Republic
03:36of Iran.
03:37This is a factual issue, we cannot, because, you know, wording has a meaning.
03:44I think this is so important for us, not only as a Palestinian, but as people who are believing of
03:51the international law and the multilateral diplomacy to shed light or to stress on the exact wording.
03:59But when it came to the aggression, this military aggression, I think it came out from the U.S.-Israel believing
04:08of the logic of power, not the power of logic.
04:11It came out from their belief that the multilateralism is not sufficient for them and they can solve their problem
04:18with only using the power.
04:20And a problem, according to Israel, at least, how did we experience them long time ago, they believe that what
04:29is not solved by power, give it more power, it will be solved.
04:32So, this is the main issue, unfortunately, this war, this military aggression is another nail or might be the very
04:41last nail in the coven of the international multilateralism,
04:45in the international cooperation to solve our problem in peaceful resolution through the multilateral institutions such as the United States,
04:58United Nations, United Nations General Assembly,
05:01the United Nations Security Council.
05:05So, unfortunately, this is the exact situation and it should be the exact wording that we as a rational human
05:13being, we should use.
05:16Ambassador, now coming back to the Palestine concern, if we go back to the early stages of the Gaza conflict,
05:24do you think when it comes to Israel, did they have other options besides going for a full-fledged military
05:31action that they eventually went ahead with?
05:37So, since even before the establishment of the state of Israel and the expelling of the Palestinian people from there,
05:43and the ethnic cleansing that we endured and the expelling of us from our homeland,
05:48the main issue that they used to believe and still, unfortunately, it seems that they will continue to believe,
05:55as I already mentioned, that what is not solved by power, give it more power.
06:00So, that this is the beliefs of Israel, so that every time, every time we, the Palestinians, used to talk
06:06about peace,
06:07they used to talk about military and only military aggression, incubation, trenching the incubation,
06:14expanding of the illegal Israeli settlement and all of this stuff.
06:21So, that this is the intention of Israel.
06:25Ambassador, if we talk about groups like Hamas and Hezbollah, which are also backed by Iran,
06:33what is the stance of Palestine, specifically into the context of resistance against Israel?
06:44Where does Palestine stand here?
06:48You are talking about three main pillars in this particular question.
06:52The first pillar is whether Hamas is backed by Iran.
06:56Absolutely, Hamas is backed by Iran.
06:58But the most important issue that no one knows it, and I'm pretty sure that you, as expert journalists,
07:04I'm pretty sure that you know it and you can also find it.
07:08It's in Google.
07:09Hamas was backed and created by Israel.
07:12And utterly, completely, totally was backed by the current fidgetive from Justice, the Israeli Prime Minister himself.
07:19To October 6, 2023, Hamas was fully, fully, fully backed by Israel.
07:26And the current, again, fidgetive from Justice, the Israeli Prime Minister, Hamas was backed by Israel.
07:31When Israel used to facilitate and allow the Qatarian money, billions of dollars of the Qatarian money,
07:38to go to Hamas through Israel and through the permission of the Israeli security and Israeli Prime Minister himself.
07:47The other pillar of that, yes, we as a Palestinian national authority,
07:51we had and will continue to have one declared and one cluster clear position.
07:59We are calling for all the non-state actors, Palestinian non-state actors, to be disarmed.
08:08We are calling for one state, one government, one security weapons, one law, one, everything should be one.
08:17The one who refused that is the Israeli themselves and the Israeli government and the Israeli current Prime Minister himself.
08:27This is our opinion regarding the resistance.
08:32Yes, we, the Palestinians, continue, used to, continue, and used to, still, and will continue to believe of the resistance.
08:39But we, in the Palestinian Authority, adopted the Mahatma Gandhi method of resistance,
08:47which means a fully peaceful resistance to the Israeli brutal occupation.
08:54Unfortunately, this peaceful method of resistance of the Israeli occupation, that we will continue to adopt it and to incubate
09:01it,
09:02had been met with a fully neglectance, had been met from the Israeli side,
09:09with expansion of the settlement, with thousands of people.
09:14Even in West Bank, not only in Gaza, had been ethnically cleansed.
09:18And the vast majority of West Bank right now is already, there is no place.
09:24More than 60% of the West Bank had 0% of the Palestinian people, whom was expelled and technically
09:31cleansed from.
09:34Ambassador, geopolitically, so much has been happening from the last few months.
09:39March has been a very, very focal point when it comes to that.
09:42So, when we talk about everything that has been happening geopolitically,
09:48what are your concerns moving forward about the future of Gaza,
09:52at the same time, the people of Palestine,
09:55with regards to everything that has been going under when it comes to the actions taken by Israel?
10:02What are your concerns?
10:04When we talk about the future of Gaza, no.
10:08As a Palestinian national authority, as a Palestinian responsible politician,
10:12we used to talk about the future of the Palestinian people,
10:15the future of the Palestinian and Israeli people, to be very insecure.
10:19I mean, at large, because no one is safe until everyone is safe.
10:25If the Palestinian is not safe, this did not mean that.
10:28This for sure did not mean, this for sure mean that the Israeli themselves will not be safe,
10:34even with all the devastating power that they have,
10:36the tremendous amount, the tremendous and different power they have,
10:41the military power, I mean financial power,
10:44but still the Israeli, unfortunately, and we as a Palestinian,
10:47unfortunately both of us is not feeling safe,
10:51so that when we talk, when we tackle the issue, this issue,
10:54we as a Palestinian, Russian people cannot talk about the future of Gaza alone.
10:59We are talking about the future of the people,
11:02the whole entire people, Palestinian, Israeli, between the river and the sea.
11:06And this is a collective manner, this is a very human manner,
11:11that we call our Israeli neighbor to think of it,
11:16and we will continue to talk about it, because we believe that we are a Russian people.
11:21But when it came to Gaza itself, unfortunately,
11:25the main goal behind the genocidal war that had been launched since more than two and a half years,
11:31and is still ongoing right now, is to expel the Palestinian people.
11:35This is a declared goal, not only by the Israeli,
11:38even the President Trump himself, since the very beginning,
11:41he assumed his office, he talked about converting Gaza to,
11:46you know, he treated Gaza as a real estate entity,
11:52and when they asked him about the people of Gaza,
11:55he said that they should be left to Egypt and Jordan,
12:00and this is another, this is not the plan,
12:03you rightly know that, this is an ethnically cleansing,
12:07this is a war crime declaration from the American and the Israelis.
12:12Unfortunately, the future of Gaza is still at the hands of the people who have destroyed Gaza.
12:19When I say people who have destroyed Gaza,
12:21I mean the Israeli and the American.
12:23America was part of the mass destruction,
12:25or the whole entire destruction of Gaza.
12:27Then you need to know that when we talk about the future of Gaza,
12:32Gaza, at the hands of the Board of Peace,
12:35one of the members of the Board of Peace,
12:36the fidgetable from Justice, the Israeli Prime Minister,
12:39or Israel, is the part of the Board of Peace.
12:43What type of Board of Peace, what type of peace,
12:46what type of future that will Gaza endure,
12:50as long as the destructor of Gaza is a member of this world.
12:56So, when we talk about Gaza and the future of Gaza,
13:00we should take it also.
13:02The future of West Bank,
13:04I'm pretty sure that you do not know
13:05that we, the Palestinian people in West Bank,
13:08enduring in a daily pace,
13:10in a daily pace,
13:11and I would like to stress on it,
13:13in a daily pace,
13:14enduring tens of times,
13:17tens of,
13:18tens of terror attacks
13:22by the Jewish settlers in West Bank itself.
13:24If you did not know,
13:26you might not know,
13:27and your audience might not know,
13:29that we in the Palestinian Authority
13:31had enduring since more than five years,
13:34three years before even the war on Gaza.
13:40Israel, I mean,
13:41Israel is withholding our tax money,
13:45just the salaries.
13:47My personal,
13:48my and of course all the official employees
13:52in the Palestinian government,
13:54the very last full salary
13:56that we received
13:56was in November 2021.
14:01Up today,
14:02just a few days ago,
14:04we had got 50% of our,
14:07of January salary,
14:09which means that we are enduring
14:11another devastating situation.
14:12When we talk about the future,
14:14we should,
14:15as a Palestinian,
14:16as Israeli,
14:17Russian and Israeli,
14:17and today in Israel,
14:19there is not,
14:20not that much of the Russian politician.
14:24Today,
14:25Israel is governed and ruled
14:26by the Messianic,
14:28the fanatic,
14:29the leaders,
14:33who's just believing of,
14:35could you imagine,
14:36in the 21st century,
14:38someone is believing that he is the supreme,
14:40believing of his,
14:41because his ethnicity,
14:42so that he is above all,
14:44he's still,
14:46they still believe
14:46that they are the chosen people,
14:48the selective people,
14:49the child of God,
14:50and all of this stuff.
14:52This is something that,
14:53which is going against,
14:54of course,
14:55analogic and erasimality,
14:56but still,
14:57those people,
14:58who is leading Israel today,
15:00unfortunately,
15:02did not talk about peace,
15:04did not talk about the future.
15:06No,
15:06not only this,
15:07just yesterday,
15:07yesterday,
15:09one of those fanatic,
15:10Messianic leaders in Israel,
15:12was calling for the occupation.
15:14You're buying,
15:15South Lebanon,
15:16approximately 700 square kilometer,
15:19of Lebanon,
15:21all the southern area of the Tani,
15:24to be,
15:24to be added to Israel.
15:27So,
15:27this is the situation,
15:29and this is,
15:29unfortunately,
15:30with those people,
15:31we found,
15:32we find ourselves,
15:33stuck,
15:34without future.
15:37Ambassador,
15:37moving forward,
15:39when it comes to India,
15:41India shares,
15:43a very good relationship,
15:44it has good ties,
15:45with both Israel,
15:47and Palestine.
15:48In that case,
15:49how do you view,
15:51this balancing act,
15:53of New Delhi?
15:54What are your views on that?
15:57Once we talk about,
15:58the history between,
16:01India,
16:01of course,
16:02and Palestine,
16:05it is important,
16:06to recall,
16:07the historical route,
16:08between India,
16:10and Palestine,
16:11and I used to start,
16:12and I would,
16:13I love always to start,
16:14by the ties was,
16:15between India,
16:17and Palestine.
16:17India,
16:18when it was,
16:19under the,
16:20the United Kingdom,
16:24the United Kingdom,
16:24when the United Kingdom,
16:28you did not use,
16:29the word occupation,
16:30because we are familiar,
16:31with the word occupation,
16:32as Palestinian,
16:33you used to call it,
16:34the colonization,
16:35when India was under,
16:36as a,
16:37was a colony,
16:38of,
16:38of United Kingdom,
16:41thousands of Indian,
16:42honest,
16:43soldiers,
16:43whom was,
16:45enlisted in the,
16:47imperial army,
16:48was part of the,
16:50fighting in the land of Palestine,
16:53Egypt,
16:54Syria,
16:55and all of these areas,
16:57which was at that time,
16:59at the,
17:00I mean,
17:00during the first world war,
17:03under the Uthmani Empire,
17:05ruled by the Uthmani,
17:08so that the Indian people,
17:10at that time,
17:11whom was,
17:12part of the imperial service,
17:15was,
17:18fight,
17:18and fought,
17:19and killed,
17:20at the land of Palestine,
17:21and one of the,
17:22main battles,
17:23that had been there,
17:24unfortunately,
17:25is Haifa battle,
17:26where the,
17:27British put the Indian,
17:29soldier at the front,
17:31and many of them,
17:32unfortunately,
17:32killed in 1918,
17:34and still,
17:35in Palestine,
17:36more than,
17:37900 Indian soldiers,
17:39has been buried there,
17:40before 1948,
17:42during the,
17:42first world war,
17:44and,
17:44I think,
17:45yes,
17:46during the first world war,
17:48at that time,
17:49many of those Indians,
17:51was built,
17:52and still there,
17:53so that,
17:53the ties between,
17:54Indian people,
17:55and,
17:56and the Palestinian people,
17:57was started,
17:58we can,
17:59it's another remarkable,
18:02juncture,
18:03or another remarkable,
18:07time,
18:08I mean,
18:091918,
18:12and,
18:13and still,
18:13that,
18:13that,
18:14that,
18:14and,
18:14since that time,
18:16and,
18:16up to today,
18:17the,
18:18the relation between Palestine,
18:20and India,
18:20is good,
18:21and very,
18:21very strong,
18:22and,
18:23and good,
18:24of course,
18:25Mahat,
18:25the late,
18:26great Mahatma Gandhi,
18:27refused,
18:28the,
18:30the partitioning plan,
18:32of Palestine,
18:32and that the British,
18:34at that time,
18:35that Palestine,
18:36is belong to the Palestinian people,
18:38likewise,
18:38the United Kingdom,
18:39is belong to the British people,
18:41and India was the very first one,
18:43to recognize that,
18:44one of the very first,
18:45country,
18:46to recognize,
18:48Palestine,
18:49liberation organization,
18:51as the sole,
18:51and legitimate,
18:53representative,
18:54of the Palestinian people,
18:55also,
18:57India was one,
18:58of the very first country,
19:00to recognize,
19:00the state of Palestine,
19:01India invested heavily,
19:03in the peace process,
19:05but again,
19:06this is regarding,
19:07the history,
19:08and we,
19:09and I used to discuss this,
19:11and I used to say it loud,
19:12and declare India,
19:13having a very strong,
19:14political leverage,
19:16over Israel,
19:16and over the Palestinian people,
19:18India is the,
19:19largest,
19:21democracy,
19:21at the world,
19:22India is the,
19:23fourth economy,
19:24worldwide,
19:25India is the,
19:26one of the,
19:28I mean,
19:28the population,
19:29India,
19:30the size of India,
19:31which means that,
19:32India can do something,
19:33also more,
19:35very significant,
19:36and we look forward,
19:37to India,
19:38to play another,
19:39or to take,
19:41more,
19:43stronger,
19:43step towards,
19:44the visa process,
19:45and,
19:46the two,
19:47the limitation,
19:48of the two states.
19:51Ambassador,
19:51whenever,
19:52a war,
19:53or a conflict,
19:55of this level,
19:56takes place,
19:57humanitarian crisis,
19:58becomes one of the,
19:59major concerns,
20:00when it comes to Palestine,
20:02how serious,
20:03is the humanitarian crisis?
20:06Unfortunately,
20:07here we are again,
20:09when it came to the,
20:11again,
20:11I cannot agree,
20:12I know that,
20:14you are a journalist,
20:15and sometimes,
20:16you need to,
20:16to use,
20:18neutral wording,
20:19but this is in a brutal,
20:20Israeli occupation,
20:22a war,
20:24a genocidal war,
20:25in Gaza,
20:26so all of these terms,
20:27and wording,
20:28have a meaning for us,
20:29but back to the,
20:30humanitarian situation,
20:32again,
20:32unfortunately,
20:33here we are,
20:34we found ourselves,
20:36all the times,
20:36talking about,
20:37the humanitarian situation,
20:38which means,
20:39that we are talking,
20:40about the symptom,
20:41of the genocidal war,
20:42not the root,
20:43of the genocidal war,
20:44and,
20:45when we want,
20:46to solve,
20:47any problem,
20:47we should,
20:48take a little,
20:49from it,
20:49as roots itself,
20:52as the says goes,
20:54if you want,
20:55to root symptom analysis,
20:57or,
20:58take the bullet,
20:59from the horn,
21:00to,
21:01I mean,
21:01to solve,
21:02any problem,
21:03unfortunately,
21:04Israel,
21:05and it is,
21:06of course,
21:08activist,
21:11media arms,
21:13especially,
21:14with the vast majority,
21:15of the controlled,
21:16with Western media,
21:19entities,
21:20which is trying,
21:21to portray,
21:22the situation,
21:23as if it is,
21:24just a humanitarian,
21:25situation,
21:27that can be solved,
21:28with more flour,
21:30more sugar,
21:32and more,
21:33you know,
21:35which is not,
21:36the case,
21:37it's a political issue,
21:38and if we want,
21:39to tackle it,
21:39we should tackle it,
21:40from its root,
21:42it's the Israeli,
21:43incubation,
21:43that started,
21:44was started,
21:46in 1967,
21:46it was,
21:48it is also,
21:50a Nakba,
21:51the catastrophe,
21:52that the Palestinians,
21:53endured,
21:54in 1948,
21:55when Israel,
21:56was established,
21:56and we had been,
21:58ethnically cleansed,
21:59from our homeland,
22:00it was,
22:01also,
22:02and will continue,
22:03to be the root,
22:04of this,
22:04chronic issue,
22:06that we are,
22:07or our misery,
22:08was,
22:08from,
22:09the United Kingdom,
22:111917,
22:12when the British,
22:13issued the bill,
22:14for declaration,
22:15and this declaration,
22:17they gifted,
22:18they pledged,
22:19our homeland,
22:20our homeland,
22:21to the,
22:22European Jewish,
22:23this is the root,
22:24of the issue,
22:25without tackling,
22:25all of these roots,
22:26we will continue,
22:27to talk about,
22:29one trucks,
22:3010 trucks,
22:3120 trucks,
22:31of humanitarian aid,
22:33this is a painkiller,
22:34there is a,
22:35cancer,
22:36there is a trauma,
22:37called Israeli,
22:38occupation,
22:39we should tackle it,
22:40from its root,
22:41we should go,
22:42in a deep,
22:43and real,
22:44surgery,
22:46to cut,
22:46to remove,
22:47to eliminate,
22:48this trauma,
22:49which called,
22:50the Israeli,
22:51occupation,
22:53and we should,
22:54stop thinking,
22:54as international,
22:55community,
22:56to be,
22:56or to,
22:57give more,
22:58painkiller,
22:59and anesthesia.
23:01One last question,
23:02to you ambassador,
23:03how do you respond,
23:04to the calls,
23:05for Hamas,
23:05to fully disarm,
23:07what are your opinions,
23:08on this?
23:09This is our official position,
23:11as a Palestinian,
23:13liberation organization,
23:14as a Palestinian authority,
23:15and this is our official position,
23:18long time ago,
23:19when we raised the slogan,
23:22one law,
23:22one government,
23:23one security arms,
23:28and all of these,
23:29this is our official position,
23:30that declared,
23:31but the one who refused it,
23:33the one who was,
23:34supported Hamas,
23:35to become,
23:35a strong military,
23:38fraction,
23:39was Israel.
23:40The current fidgetive,
23:41from Justice,
23:42in particular,
23:43the current fidgetive,
23:44from Justice,
23:45the Israeli prime minister,
23:46himself.
23:47So that,
23:48when it came to the disarmament,
23:50this is our official,
23:51every non-state,
23:54entities,
23:56in Palestine,
23:57should be,
23:58should not be,
23:59should be a political,
24:00of course,
24:02non-state actors,
24:04should be a political faction,
24:05but no one of them,
24:07should carry,
24:08any single bullet.
24:09This is our official position,
24:11was still,
24:12and will continue,
24:13unfortunately,
24:14we have been,
24:16this,
24:16this position,
24:18or the official position,
24:19had been contradicted,
24:20by again,
24:21and again,
24:22and again,
24:23by Israel,
24:24and in particular,
24:25the current,
24:26Israeli prime minister,
24:28the current fidgetive,
24:29from Justice,
24:30the Israeli prime minister.
24:32Thank you so much,
24:33Ambassador,
24:34for your candid,
24:35and insights,
24:36on this,
24:37we really appreciate your time,
24:38thank you so much,
24:39for this,
24:39it's brilliant.
24:40Sure,
24:41much appreciate you,
24:42thank you so much,
24:42for having me.
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