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Did the Cleveland Browns miss out on a hidden gem? Adam Kaplan drops some serious bombshells regarding Shadeur Sanders and his draft fall. You won't believe the "character concerns" that experts say sent him tumbling down the board, despite undeniable talent.
We dive deep into the speculation surrounding Sanders' draft position. Was it truly a fall due to character issues, or is there more to the story? Hear the breakdown of why league insiders and coaches believe his talent alone should have placed him much higher.
The conversation explores the disconnect between Sanders' on-tape performance and his draft slot. Experts weigh in on whether he's a true drop-back passer or a runner, and the prevailing thoughts that may have scared NFL teams away.
We also touch on whether such perceived shortcomings even matter in today's NFL, drawing parallels to other players. Ultimately, the question remains: what really caused Shadeur Sanders to free-fall in the draft, and does it matter now?
#ShadeurSanders #NFLDraft #ClevelandBrowns
We dive deep into the speculation surrounding Sanders' draft position. Was it truly a fall due to character issues, or is there more to the story? Hear the breakdown of why league insiders and coaches believe his talent alone should have placed him much higher.
The conversation explores the disconnect between Sanders' on-tape performance and his draft slot. Experts weigh in on whether he's a true drop-back passer or a runner, and the prevailing thoughts that may have scared NFL teams away.
We also touch on whether such perceived shortcomings even matter in today's NFL, drawing parallels to other players. Ultimately, the question remains: what really caused Shadeur Sanders to free-fall in the draft, and does it matter now?
#ShadeurSanders #NFLDraft #ClevelandBrowns
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00:00Adam Kaplan 15 minutes ago dropping bombshells on the Cleveland Browns and Shador Sanders.
00:07You'll hear one of them in a moment.
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00:48Adam Kaplan, hit it.
00:50If you want to work with the Browns, you've got to at least believe that Shador Sanders
00:54will be a factor in the quarterback position.
00:56Nobody's handing him the job, to be clear.
00:59But there is this belief that, look, there's talent with this guy.
01:02I strongly believe, had there not been concerns with his character,
01:06he would not have gotten out of third round.
01:08He's a drop-back quarterback.
01:10He's not a runner.
01:11He could scramble.
01:11He's not a runner.
01:12There's a lot of talent with this guy.
01:15Well, that was some interesting stuff from Adam Kaplan there.
01:18Hear that entire interview, 923thefan.com.
01:20Especially when he brought up all the, quote, character concerns that led to his fall,
01:26his free fall in the draft.
01:27And here's Adam clarifying.
01:29You watch the tape.
01:30Again, everything I've been told that, from a talent standpoint, should go no further than
01:35the third round.
01:36There was no conspiracy, folks.
01:38It's such complete nonsense.
01:40For people who are plugged in, for folks who cover the league, or if you talk to coaches
01:46and front-off executives, you know, you heard stuff.
01:49Because I was kind of surprised.
01:50I mean, fifth round was ridiculous.
01:53But there was a sense that he committed to being a great player.
02:00So, I mean, that was kind of one of the questions that were given.
02:04How did you feel about what Adam Kaplan just said?
02:07Because there's a couple ways you could take it.
02:09One is that, all right, let me get your opinion, and I'll tell you what I'm thinking.
02:15Everybody last year tried to come up with the reason why he fell, and everybody says
02:20the same thing.
02:20His tape did not warrant a free fall like that in the draft.
02:24So what is it?
02:25And even if you want to call it a conspiracy, he didn't like that term, or whatever it is,
02:31something has to line up.
02:32There has to be a reason.
02:33I'm starting to put together a reason.
02:34No teams that are attempting to improve and have a competitive edge over other teams in
02:41their division or their conference or just any team in the NFL, they're not just going
02:44to allow a player to free fall and let other teams get better if they really like the tape.
02:50So what's the reason?
02:51I think he tried to, and I pushed back.
02:55I mean, I wanted specifics.
02:56I didn't hear a lot of specifics.
02:57Did you?
02:58He just said the thought was that perhaps he wasn't committed to being a quarterback in
03:04the NFL.
03:05I don't know what that means, though.
03:06I understand we say a lot of things like that, like, does that guy love football enough?
03:11People ask that about Miles Garrett.
03:12Well, how silly does that look?
03:13Because if he doesn't like football, well, maybe liking football is not that important
03:17because it obviously worked out well for Miles Garrett.
03:21He seems to be obsessed with being the greatest now.
03:23Right, right.
03:23So I need specifics when it comes to that.
03:27I don't doubt that that was the prevailing thought from the decision makers of the NFL,
03:33but where did it come from?
03:34There had to be a reason.
03:35Did Shador just blow everybody off in the interviews?
03:38Was he just a jerk in the interviews?
03:40I wasn't there, but what could he have possibly done?
03:43That's why I was pushing back.
03:45I wanted specifics.
03:45But he's saying Greg Cosell, who, he's not the Bible, but he's pretty damn close to it
03:52when it comes to film.
03:53Greg Cosell didn't find a lot of problems with the tapes.
03:56That tape looked good.
03:57Yeah, that's the film.
03:58Okay.
03:59Well, if the film looked good, it's obviously not the film that dropped him.
04:03It's the other things that we talk about with quarterbacks, all that other stuff.
04:08Because the film is the film, whatever.
04:11We can debate whether Ty Simpson versus Mendoza, who throws to the outside hash, you know, better.
04:18Okay, that's film stuff.
04:20That's not what we're talking about here with Shador.
04:21We obviously saw Shador doesn't have a cannon arm.
04:24And he's not a crazy athlete, but he's good enough.
04:27We saw that last year.
04:29He's never been a jerk or a bad guy.
04:31I've never seen him be that way.
04:32I mean, everybody has bad days.
04:33Well, we don't know the interviews.
04:35We weren't there.
04:36And what would cause all these teams to drop them?
04:39That's what we're trying to find out.
04:41What if it's something else?
04:42Which would be, what else could it be?
04:46Now, some guys, some guys.
04:48Hear me out on this.
04:49Like, okay, the whiteboard stuff.
04:50That always comes up.
04:52John Gruden used to do, did they not do the John Gruden stuff last year?
04:55Hold on.
04:55But hold on.
04:56I'm getting to something here.
04:58So, we're trying to isolate what it possibly could be.
05:00And whether or not it even matters anymore.
05:03Right?
05:03Because, like, Shador didn't show great improvement last year.
05:06But it was only seven games.
05:07You'd have to give him an offseason and let him get all the reps.
05:10And so, we'll never talk about first-team reps anymore.
05:13And let's see.
05:14Let's see what the level of improvement could be.
05:17Does he have the capacity to get a lot better?
05:19Well, if you just don't get the whiteboard stuff at all, which there are tons of players at quarterbacks,
05:26we're not allowed to say it because then you're accused of calling somebody stupid when it has nothing to do
05:31with it.
05:31You could be really smart but really bad at processing NFL defenses.
05:34They're two totally different things.
05:35Or, you could be really good at processing NFL defenses on the whiteboard, but you could be really bad at
05:41it in games.
05:42We've seen guys that just fall apart.
05:44Baker Mayfield has, at times, fallen apart reading defenses in big moments.
05:50He's also had a lot of tremendous moments.
05:53I wouldn't call that smart or stupid.
05:55Like, there are different ways that we classify this stuff.
05:57Now, what if, though, and this is just a what if, and I'm trying to think about this on the
06:04fly.
06:05Because what Adam Kaplan says, I mean, this is some really strong stuff.
06:10I mean, the one about the quote-unquote character stuff where he's like, hey, it's nothing off the field.
06:14Okay.
06:15The question of whether he would want it bad enough.
06:18Do you think, when it comes to the scouts and coaches, there might have been a concern with Dion as
06:25his head coach?
06:26That he wasn't prepared adequately?
06:28Yes.
06:29Yeah.
06:30I bet you that was the case.
06:31Because I'm not finding anything with him.
06:33Dion wasn't known.
06:34I think even the biggest Shador fans would admit.
06:37Dion's calling card was not going to be that you were going to have a strategic edge in games.
06:43No.
06:43I mean, you compile a staff for that.
06:44And he didn't like his staff because he obviously had turnover big time with that staff.
06:48Like, we've got to remember here, while Dion has been, and I've seen it through rose-colored glasses myself.
06:54I understand this.
06:55But Dion has been this force in college football ever since game one.
06:59Hell yeah.
07:00He has.
07:00He's been a force.
07:01But we also, we don't talk about it very much.
07:04There's been a lot of coaches, whether he was at Jackson State.
07:06You remember the comments by the one coach he played against.
07:10And you remember him in the Big 12, where he's rubbed a lot of coaches the wrong way for a
07:17multitude of reasons.
07:19And there's been guys who have left him, and he's rubbed them the wrong way.
07:24Or he's fired them, and he's rubbed them, obviously, the wrong way.
07:26But I wonder if it's like, hey, Travis Hunter's Travis Hunter.
07:31Like, you can put Travis Hunter with anybody.
07:33Travis Hunter was going to be taken number five.
07:35Whether it be Colorado, Ohio State, Jackson State, doesn't matter.
07:39But when it came to Shador, maybe they were – I'm just trying to put two and two together with
07:45what Adam was saying.
07:47You know, we focus on, well, the interview's this, and the interview that.
07:50We focus on all that.
07:51Maybe it's the surrounding.
07:53Maybe it was, hey, what about when he's never played for anybody who wasn't his father.
07:57When he gets around us, how is he going to react to this?
08:01And is it worth it when he is that popular of a figure?
08:05And so he ends up being a guy who, for one, when they say it's not worth it,
08:09to two, ends up being a quote-unquote flyer in the fifth round of the Cleveland Browns.
08:14And at that point, it was dreadfully silly with what they did and how they did it.
08:20And so now maybe they've seen some growth out of him, and they're going,
08:23well, there's nothing that great in this draft class.
08:26There's nothing – which, you guys, you know I've been screaming myself hoarse
08:30about nothing that great in the free agency class, and that they know damn well
08:33none of these guys want to play for him.
08:35So is he worthy of taking it in?
08:38And the other thing is, and I think some people are rolling their eyes going,
08:41oh, my God, they're that beholden to Shador Sanders.
08:43I don't know if it's that case.
08:45I think it's more of, hey, these are our quarterbacks.
08:47I want to know how you can get a guy from point A to closest to point B
08:51as best you possibly can.
08:53If you're just coming into a football job and saying that the professionals
08:56that we have ain't worth it no matter what, even though this is our situation
09:01and this might be the best we have, then maybe you're not cut out to be a head
09:05coach in the NFL.
09:06You know, that needs to be the consideration because I know how this is going to be
09:10painted by some people.
09:11Oh, my God, they're obsessed with Shador.
09:13They're obsessed over this fifth-round guy who had more interceptions than he had
09:16touchdowns, and now they're going to sit there and they're going to make people
09:19be a Shador Sanders coach.
09:21No, no, no, no, no.
09:22It's about being open-minded to some degree here.
09:24It's about being open-minded.
09:26And so I can understand where they're at if it were that way.
09:30Like, I don't think Shador's out of the woods just yet, certainly.
09:33I don't think that the way they set him up was the right way to do it.
09:37And so I don't want to be, both these things can be true, guy.
09:41But I also want to look at it for what it is with common sense and say, you didn't set
09:45him up for success.
09:47You tried to find some success.
09:49There was some gold in them, their ills.
09:51And coming after him ain't that great and in that great of a replacement for him.
09:55It could possibly, with how I'm seeing this, and you know I've not made many friends saying
09:59this, I'm trying to not go further into Hawk over either A, finding our quarterback this
10:04year, who's probably on our roster, or B, finding a quarterback for our future in 2027.
10:11So maybe the Browns are thinking the same way I am, which might be scary for me, but maybe
10:15the Browns are thinking the same way, going, we got this guy, he's popular, people seem
10:20to like him, even the people who hate him can't say anything really bad about him because
10:24he seems to be a nice enough guy.
10:25We'll see if he sinks or swims this year.
10:27And if he's able to swim, then it's a great story.
10:29If he sinks, fine.
10:30We'll still find ourselves in a position where we'll take a quarterback in 2027.
10:34And he happens to be in front of a guy who nobody wants to see.
10:37Even the ownership seems to feel that way.
10:41Fish in a barrel.
10:43But maybe, and this is just spitballing right off the top of my head.
10:47I mean, Deion has rubbed some coaches the wrong way.
10:52And coaches, as we know, are a tight-knit community.
10:55That's why we've been having these arguments over Kevin Stefanski finding a job so quickly.
11:00That's why I can't believe that Cliff Kingsbury is able to fail upwards.
11:03All those things are put together.
11:05So if you have a tight-knit community, and Deion's rubbing people the wrong way, and he
11:09wasn't the next coming of Andrew Luck, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, maybe they were going
11:14to stick it to him in that sense.
11:16That is he worth what it is to go after him?
11:21And apparently, many teams didn't think he was.
11:24I think that's what Adam Kaplan might be saying to us.
11:26Do you think he's changed that perception around the NFL with his play this year?
11:30I know the analytics were bottom basement, but his highlight reel.
11:33I can only go by what a guy like Greg Cosell would say.
11:37And I would venture to say, certainly he's not out of the woods, but maybe he's not as
11:42terrible as what some of these metrics would say he would be.
11:45Because I still think you have to take into account real life, and Hyde wasn't really set
11:50up to be very successful.
11:51And I know that's a big fat excuse.
11:53It is.
11:54But that's where we're at right now.
11:55Kalen DeBoer is going to join us on the show.
11:57That's the head coach of the University of Alabama.
11:59He's going to join us on the show.
12:01We'll talk Ty Simpson.
12:02I want to talk Caden Proctor with him.
12:04Caden Proctor is getting drugged through the mud, it seems, over the last couple of weeks.
12:08But it seems like...
12:09And he's built like a redwood tree, and he's a great athlete, obviously.
12:13So I've got to have a conversation with Kalen DeBoer about that.
12:16You should be used to it.
12:17It feels like it's happening for all the prospects.
12:19And I mean, I get caught doing it, too.
12:20All the online guys.
12:22Like, you know, is it something really nasty that I said, if it were most drafts, somebody
12:28like Carnell Tate would be in the teens or lower?
12:31I mean, is that a nasty thing to say?
12:33But it's reality.
12:36Well, whose opinion was that?
12:37Who said that?
12:38Man, I've heard it from Robert Mays to Daniel Jeremiah to Todd McShay.
12:44Like, what they all are saying.
12:46All these guys are saying the same thing.
12:48Not that there aren't great players that can be had in the draft.
12:50Not that there can't be future Hall of Famers.
12:52But in terms of prospects, this does not have the premium elite prospect at the major positions
13:00that we care about, that we normally talk about.
13:02Well, I go back to what Brian Bollinger said about Caleb Downs.
13:06When you have Caleb Downs, I think it was Brian Bollinger said it to us last week, where
13:10you have Caleb Downs and people go, well, is he Ed Reed?
13:14No.
13:14How many guys are Ed Reed?
13:16No, no.
13:17Sean Taylor.
13:18But, exactly.
13:19But when you bring him up and you go, well, look at the defense.
13:21Hold on.
13:22How can he make that many plays when you also have that many great players around you?
13:28Okay, well, the same thing's for Carnell Tate.
13:31Like, I don't want to go overboard.
13:33Well, if it was any other draft, he'd be in the teens.
13:36You know, maybe he would be, but also it could be the same principle for Caleb Downs,
13:39except on offense, where, hey, you're throwing to Jeremiah Smith every chance you get.
13:45You're only going to throw to Carnell Tate when Jeremiah Smith ain't playing or ain't open.
13:48So, you're going to throw to Carnell Tate, and Carnell Tate's a hell of a player.
13:52There's plays out there that he can make.
13:54He doesn't get the chance to make them because he ain't Jeremiah Smith.
13:56Jeremiah Smith is a number one overall prospect right now.
13:59Hell, if it weren't for NIL, I'd be saying something different.
14:02If we were back in the old days, I might be advocating for something different for Jeremiah Smith,
14:06but that's a different conversation.
14:07Yeah, I've heard he'd be in the Golden, the Matthew Golden range, the Brian Thomas range in the last two
14:13drafts.
14:14Well, Brian Thomas was up and down.
14:15Matthew Golden was certainly down.
14:18Matthew Golden was back in first round, if I'm not mistaken.
14:20But I also say that shouldn't matter to Browns fans.
14:22It's probably also why every team's trying to trade down in this draft.
14:25Because they want more value.
14:27Yeah, it'd be awesome to get another first in next year's draft.
14:30That ain't happening.
14:31Because nobody's going to be dumb enough to do that.
14:33I can't imagine.
14:34You better talk up Ty Simpson all you possibly can.
14:37Because to me, that's the way guys are moving up.
14:40That's the way some teams might move up.
14:42Jets, whoever it might be.
14:43You better talk up to Ty Simpson as best you can.
14:46Because that's the only way I can see you moving out of six.
14:48If we just can't find anything good to say about any of these other players,
14:51and it's all this great big worry about how they're going to be busts.
14:54Well, I don't know.
14:55Are you trading up for a bust?
14:57You just told me guys are...
14:58I mean, seriously.
14:59Well, wait a second.
14:59Like, everybody wants to trade down.
15:01I'm like, okay, you can trade down.
15:02I can't call up a team.
15:05I can't call up the Steelers and put a gun to their head
15:07and make them trade down with me.
15:08I can't do that.
15:09Boy, the one guy...
15:11Could you see somebody trade up in what normally used to be risque,
15:18moving up to get the running back?
15:20Jeremiah Love.
15:20Well, hell, I was going to bring that up until we had the thing.
15:23I mean, Coach Lance loves him.
15:26Which, by the way, Coach Lance will be on 7 o'clock tonight.
15:28I feel like everybody loves Jeremiah Love.
15:30The only reason it's not obvious to go get him is...
15:33Because he's a running back.
15:34It's a running back.
15:34Mm-hmm.
15:35And we already have Quinch on Judkins.
15:37Yeah, we'll probably have that conversation tomorrow morning.
15:39Because, again, Coach Lance will be on tonight with Daryl and with Jacob.
15:43Or Jake, I should say.
15:44There's so many guys named Jacob.
15:45I forget which one to call Jacob and which one to call Jacob.
15:47I'm sorry.
15:48Jake, on the off-season extravaganza, 7-9 tonight on the fan.
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15:54So, when you hear what Adam Kaplan has to say, like, I'm trying to put two and two together.
15:59Like, there's some who are saying, like, I got one social media reaction here.
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16:08Kyle says,
16:09Because this Shador conversation is confusing.
16:11It feels like you and Lima are surprised by what the guest had to say.
16:14Seems like he said what was heard all along.
16:17Basically confirming that you had to, like Shador, you weren't going to have the conversation was a little bit surprising.
16:24Also, when you're saying some of the off-field stuff, or when you're saying not off-field stuff,
16:28you're saying some of the questions about how he was, but you're specifying it was an off-field.
16:34Then we have to go further into it.
16:35And I just thought it was a little bit more towards, we've been so often questioning over the last year.
16:41It's been Shador, Shador, Shador, Shador, Shador.
16:44We spent very little time about where he comes from.
16:47He comes from a system that was tailor-made for him,
16:50that did not have a lot when it came to putting it all together.
16:54It had to be done on the fly, and that was proven in year one.
16:57It got better in year two because you had a little bit more protection.
16:59You had a little bit more time to get ready for things.
17:01But you also have a situation where, yeah, Deion rubbed a lot of coaches the wrong way.
17:05And in turn, might rub a lot of scouts the wrong way.
17:08And so if you're talking about Travis Hunter, Travis Hunter can run the routes.
17:12Travis Hunter can play the defense.
17:16That's simple.
17:17But when it comes to quarterbacks, processing, finding things,
17:22a lot of people have been putting a mouth on Shador Sanders saying terrible things about,
17:26well, maybe it was the interviews.
17:28Maybe it was this, that, or the other.
17:30I'm just wondering.
17:31I'm not saying.
17:32I'm just wondering.
17:33I'm asking questions.
17:35You know, we have not talked a lot about Deion in this situation
17:39and how the NFL, not about vast conspiracy,
17:41but if there's that many people who question his preparation
17:45or the people preparing him,
17:48does he have the physical tools to overcome that where he would be top end?
17:52Is he the next luck?
17:54Is he the next Elway?
17:55No.
17:56So where would you find him?
17:58Because I think some of the stuff about him
17:59and the concerns about does he want to do what's necessary to be great,
18:04that's what Adam Kaplan said.
18:07You know, I think a lot of that might be distrust of dad.
18:10I think a lot of that might be distrust of the brand
18:12for some of these teams out there.
18:14And that's perhaps part of the reason why he fell,
18:16because I got to tell you guys, like, yeah, he shows up in the community,
18:21shakes a lot of hands, takes a lot of pictures,
18:24signs a lot of autographs, which is what a lot of other players have done.
18:28I haven't seen or heard any sort of, and this is,
18:31Jason and I fought about this.
18:33Jason has heard different, and I've heard different from Jason,
18:36about his willingness to do what is necessary to try to be great.
18:41Well, we can just say this for sure, what we know.
18:44I've been told very positive things.
18:45Jason, obviously, is different.
18:47I think we'll know very quickly whether or not he put the work in
18:51by just what kind of status he has going into this year.
18:57Yeah.
18:58Like, you should be able to pick up on that fast,
19:00because last year he looked like a bad rookie who then showed flashes.
19:05Okay?
19:06Most rookies do show flashes.
19:07I mean, he looked like things were overwhelming.
19:09He looked like a lot of Browns rookies do.
19:10Yeah.
19:11Yeah.
19:11There wasn't a huge difference in how he looked
19:14or all the bad quarterbacks that we've had,
19:16except there was a little bit of an energy.
19:19Now, was that energy because we compared him to Dylan Gabriel?
19:22You know, I don't know.
19:26At times, you know, connecting on some deep balls, that helps.
19:29Most bad Browns quarterbacks don't connect on deep balls.
19:32They don't.
19:32I know Johnny had a few, but they don't.
19:35He made some, and then he had some plays where it looked like,
19:38like, oh, my God, 10 times he should have been sacked.
19:41And he wasn't known as that crazy elusive.
19:45And he was.
19:46Like, there were some times where I could not believe he got out of the grips
19:50of defensive players.
19:52So, but how does that all look once the league gets more film on him, too?
19:55We've seen a lot of quarterbacks have good rookie years.
19:58Oh, yeah.
19:58And then come back down to earth.
20:01CJ Stroud.
20:01Holy cow.
20:02Come back down to earth in a big way in that next year.
20:05Well, what is it going to be for Shador?
20:06Because he didn't get a full year.
20:08So, he didn't get the advantages of having a full year.
20:11But at the same time, are defenses going to now have all his bad traits?
20:18Are they going to have his weaknesses?
20:20Where they'll know how to keep him in the pocket.
20:22Yeah, there's going to be other challenges, too.
20:24I mean, if you have a full year, that means they have eight months of film study.
20:27And if you're going to go with him as your starting quarterback,
20:30you know, there's going to be things you go after.
20:32I mean, it starts with, can you beat base cover, too?
20:34You see a lot of that in training camp.
20:37And you see a lot of that in the preseason.
20:39Can you beat a base too high safety?
20:41Then you get to cover.
20:42Then you get to, well, can you beat a robber?
20:44Are you able to see where Micah Fitzpatrick would be with the Pittsburgh Steelers
20:49when he was with the Steelers and they liked to run that type of thing?
20:51But then you go up against the Seahawks and nobody knows what the hell
20:54their defensive players are doing, including their linemen.
20:56Exactly.
20:57So, you have a lot of different looks and coverages.
20:59And that means the film study is like not just what you're doing.
21:03You have to watch tendencies of what a safety would like to do
21:06and how he might have grown.
21:08So, a safety, if you're watching him and some of his tendencies,
21:10if you're a quarterback, yeah, the week one tape's going to look different
21:13than the week seven tape when you're getting ready for week eight to play that guy.
21:16Are you able to do that?
21:18A lot of that takes a lot of time.
21:19That's why Tom Brady, that's why guys don't want to retire.
21:23Because once they start getting it mentally, they start failing physically.
21:27And so, that's why it's so hard to push these guys out of the league
21:30because now you got it and the second you get it, that's when your body starts to fail you.
21:35And so, it's going to take a while for him to get it.
21:37I don't know if he has time for him to get it because they're going to be on his tendencies
21:41too.
21:41So, he's going to see different things coming after him because the defenses know
21:45what he likes, what he doesn't like, what he likes when it comes to protection,
21:49what he might do under duress, and how to put him under duress.
21:52Well, if the duress is coming from the left side, what does he tend to do to the right?
21:55Vice versa.
21:56I mean, there's so many different things that they think of that we don't even have enough time
22:00to break it all down.
22:02And when you question whether or not he was prepared, it's still that same way.
22:08Did you only do it one way, and was it oversimplified to a point where
22:14when you run into an NFL defense, they're going to bring you to justice every time?
22:19There was definitely some growth this last year.
22:21That's why, of all the things I might get upset about, when you guys just say I'm some
22:27cult leader and I won't pay attention to the charts that are out there.
22:30No, the charts are out there.
22:32The charts say what they say.
22:33And the charts say that you would explore making the situation better, without a doubt.
22:39But if I can't make a guy sign with me, and I don't want to give up the assets because
22:44I'm that deep in debt when it comes to finding talent on my offense, I don't want to give up
22:49the assets for a trade, for a guy who might not be worth the squeeze, and I don't see
22:53anybody in the 2026 draft who is worthy of changing the entire fortunes, then I have
22:59to do what's, I'd have to say responsible by the franchise, and stick where we're at,
23:07and not make a decision based on panic, based on trying to dig us out of this.
23:12But would you be surprised if Shidorah's just bad and benched this year?
23:17I would not.
23:17No, I wouldn't be surprised.
23:20So I wonder, when you say that, are people like, well then why aren't you getting a better
23:23quarterback if you're not going to be surprised if he's going to be benched?
23:26How much better are we talking?
23:28Like, I'm not willing to, I just went over the scenarios.
23:30How much better are we talking?
23:31If I don't think that Ty Simpson's going to be that guy, and I don't think that they're
23:34able to support Ty Simpson to be that guy, then I think that we're wasting time on him.
23:40But by the time we get to 2027, I've mentioned the names and I'll mention them again.
23:44Maybe Lenore Sellers has a bounce back year.
23:47Maybe Julian Sane has a great season.
23:48I know he might be a little undersized to some.
23:51You know, CJ Carr is a name.
23:52Jordan Maiav is a name.
23:53I already got him in my head, guys, other than Arch Manning.
23:56They're already there.
23:58Because I got to get ready for 2027 if he can't take off in 2026.
24:02I mean, it's that simple.
24:04And so I'm not being a fanboy here.
24:06I'm looking at it for what it is.
24:08And what it is was not the best situation this last year.
24:11And hell, we're hearing some of that now, because if you've got guys who definitely were
24:14formerly on the team who didn't necessarily trust the head coach, or excuse me, didn't
24:18trust the head coach, then I'm sure there's still veterans on that team, hello, who didn't
24:22trust the head coach.
24:23So now you've got systems tugging against each other.
24:25And this whole time, your father is an NFL Hall of Famer.
24:28He knows everybody there is to know in the NFL.
24:31So now you've got this tug and this pull about what you should listen to and what you shouldn't.
24:36Oh, and then you start off the season, you're not even having real practice as you're
24:39throwing the ball boys.
24:41Really?
24:41That's going to set you off in the right spot.
24:43I'm just telling you the truth of how it was.
24:46And you want to find a way to quote unquote, waste a fifth round pick all things.
24:50That's how you waste that pick doing what they did last year.
24:53We'll see what he does this year.
24:55He does have the benefit of it being a weak class and you having a terrible offense.
25:00It's got, hopefully it's better because it can't get much worse.
25:02So you would imagine it's better with talent, but you had an offense that these, these free
25:06agents did not want to play with.
25:08If they made it abundantly clear, or you would have been a consideration for any of the three
25:12guys and you were in consideration for none of them, none of them.
25:15So they don't want to be a part of it.
25:17So now you're stuck.
25:18If it were 20, 27 coming up, I'm sorry.
25:21Them's the breaks.
25:21You're going after a quarterback.
25:23But as of right now, you have yourself a golden opportunity.
25:26And I hope he's taking advantage every single day, the way he can take advantage of, because
25:32I'm sure Deshaun Watson's working out somewhere, but he ain't Berea.
25:35He ain't with the coaching staff the way Shador is.
25:37So, so far I'm feeling better and better and better about maybe he's got a chance to be
25:41a decent quarterback in this league.
25:42Let's call before we walk.
25:43I just wish he had Watson's gifts.
25:45That's all.
25:47I mean, yeah.
25:48Then you'd be really cooking.
25:49One is a much more physically imposing figure.
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