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00:01A 27-year-old sex worker goes missing from the streets of Glasgow.
00:06There have been six murders of sex workers within the Glasgow area in the preceding years.
00:13This is a very, very dangerous trade because you don't know who you're going to meet,
00:17you don't know the individual and you don't know what may happen.
00:20When her body turns up in a remote part of Scotland, a major investigation gets underway.
00:26They took about 8,000 statements and hundreds of DNA samples.
00:31It was probably at that point the biggest murder investigation in the history of Strathclyde Police.
00:36The decision was made to conduct 24-hour surveillance.
00:41This surveillance is massively expensive and is a very complicated and complex procedure.
00:48You have to be very sure that you're on the right track, that these are the people involved.
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01:33Limefield Woods, located near Biggar, South Lanarkshire in Scotland, is a peaceful woodland
01:39known for its picturesque walking trails.
01:44Limefield Woods is a huge rural location.
01:47It's about an hour's drive away from Glasgow, about 43 miles, close to the villages of Roberton
01:54and the town of Biggar.
02:00You can go in there at daylight and the light can just disappear, because of the size of
02:05the trees and the denseness of the forest.
02:09The only people that will go there, people who live in the area, or are walkers, or go
02:14there for a specific reason.
02:15It's not somewhere you'll find just by chance, by driving past.
02:18This is somewhere you would go to, to have a look at the wonderful area that it is.
02:24It is a place that contrasts between day and night.
02:29During the day, it's peaceful.
02:30There's a feeling of serenity.
02:32It's tranquil.
02:33It's popular with dog walkers.
02:34It's beautiful scenery.
02:36At night, however, it's completely different.
02:39It becomes somewhere that's isolated and remote and quite frightening.
02:44It's beautiful.
02:47It's beautiful.
02:51It's beautiful.
02:56It's beautiful.
02:57It's beautiful.
03:14It's beautiful.
03:19It's beautiful.
03:20when she was young and that was that her older sister got cancer and sadly died and it had a
03:26huge impact on Emma for the rest of her life life had been fine up until then whether that's through
03:33education or family life everything was great everything was what we would say I suppose that
03:38awful word normal but it was but losing her older sister really did change her clearly Emma found
03:46this such a traumatic time in her life that she turned to drugs and subsequently she had a drug
03:52habit to fund now if you're not working in the sense of having a regular salary you've got to
04:00have this ready cash available and that's going to be done and really a number of a couple of ways
04:06one is either through crime or two in the case of many many unfortunate women they tend to prostitution
04:17for young women doing sex work on the street it's extremely dangerous they are extremely
04:23vulnerable they leave themselves open to physical attack to rape even murder they are targeted and
04:32they are abused the majority of the time these women will have something that has happened to
04:41them in their past whether it's their childhood or you know in their teenage years quite often if
04:47you if you actually go to an area where they're on street sex workers you will see a pimp in
04:51the
04:51background you might not realize that's who he is but there will be a pimp in the background somewhere
04:55and they're working them and they're taking the money from them they're giving them enough to so
05:00they can fund their drug habit but then they're sending them back out in the streets again to fund
05:05their next hit of drugs and it's a brutal hard cruel life the fact that a prostitute works on the
05:16street
05:17the fact that it's illegal means it's undercover the fact is that they don't have the protection that
05:22other countries offer then this is a very very dangerous trade because you don't know who you're going
05:28to meet you don't know the individual and you don't know what may happen struggling with drug
05:35addiction and wanting to protect her parents from its impact 27-year-old Emma Caldwell left her
05:41family home and had been living in a woman's hostel in central Glasgow on Monday the 4th of April 2005
05:51Emma Caldwell leaves the hostel as he was living in on Englefield Street to go to the streets to do
06:01her job as a sex worker
06:07this is the last time she's seen alive
06:13the first people to really think there's something amiss within Emma's life were her parents about two days
06:20after she was last seen her mother was phoning her there was no response which was unusual because
06:25they would speak on the phone every day even though Emma had left home and Emma was working as a
06:31prostitute she was still in regular contact with her parents Emma made a point of seeing her parents at
06:38least twice a week but she would have spoken to her mother Margaret two or three times every single day
06:44on Wednesday the 6th of April
06:47on Wednesday the 6th of April
06:48Emma's father attempted to phone her but she did not pick up and he made a remark to his wife
06:56Margaret that maybe Emma was unwell
07:00the mother the mother was so concerned regarding this that she attended the following Saturday the hostel where she lived
07:09she made inquiries there she knocked on the door but she wasn't there
07:13the next day the Sunday they made the decision to contact the police and report Emma as a missing person
07:26of course we've now got the situation that one Emma is an adult two she is a prostitute now even
07:32in those days many police forces around the whole of the UK may not take that seriously because of what
07:41they would say at the time was well that's the life she's chosen I'm sure she'll turn up so a
07:46lot of the time these reports
07:47would be taken or taken down and be shown as reported but there won't be too much that the police
07:53would have been doing at that stage
07:56one of the things that the police would be particularly interested in and it were again it was set alarm
08:03bells and elevate this investigation is that she didn't collect a methadone
08:07a lot of drug addicts particularly heroin addicts will have methadone which is a substitute which is when they're trying
08:15to wean them off drugs or when they're trying to
08:17you know themselves realize they have an issue and they want to be weaned off drugs and part of that
08:22is that they have a methadone
08:24prescription to get that methadone prescription they have to go to a chemist and it's a specific chemist
08:31they have a certain time of day they have to turn up for this methadone they have to take the
08:35methadone there
08:36and then in front of the chemist and if somebody doesn't turn up for the methadone something's not right
08:43emma's family friends and the police become increasingly concerned for her welfare
08:50there was a lot of things that weren't adding up emma's routine was different because she hadn't been out in
08:56the streets
08:57none of her colleagues had seen her obviously her family had never heard anything from her in those days
09:02no phone calls no meetings nothing so everything had stopped her her life just seemed to stop completely
09:09so police were suspicious that she had come to some harm
09:22as time went on days turned into weeks of emma being missing the police really then started to
09:31become more and more concerned so much so that they warned her parents that they might have to prepare
09:37themselves for the worst five weeks after her disappearance emma's parents worst fears come true
09:45on sunday the 8th of may a dog walker in lime field woods discovered the body of emma caldwell
09:56the police found emma's body in a shallow ditch within lime field woods as she was naked
10:09and of course we've now got the situation she's 43 miles from glasgow last spotted on cctv going to
10:16work there is absolutely no reason for her to be there why was she there in the first place was
10:21she
10:22her body taken there or was she led there when in which case she must have been driven there by
10:27somebody who knows the area quite well the investigation into emma caldwell's murder quickly
10:33becomes a high profile case for the police there had been six murders of sex workers within the
10:40glasgow area in the preceding years so it was probably at that point the biggest murder investigation in
10:47the history of strathclyde police what investigators didn't know at the time was that disagreements over
10:54suspects and internal politics within the strathclyde task force would significantly complicate the search for the killer
11:20five weeks after 27 year old emma caldwell disappeared in glasgow her naked body is discovered on may 8 2005
11:29in lime field woods a woodland area 30 miles south of glasgow near big arse scotland
11:38police were now faced with a difficult task of informing her next of kin
11:45as a police officer whether in uniform or as a detective to give a death message is probably the hardest
11:51thing you'll ever have to do and in many cases by turning up when it's a missing person case you
11:57turn up at
11:57the door and you knock on it the minute they see you they know it's bad news emma's parents had
12:04the
12:04unfortunate task of identifying emma's body in the mortuary they were devastated because they had
12:11already lost one daughter and now they were losing their other daughter in such a cruel way
12:19the natural landscape of where emma's body was found poses difficulties for crime scene investigators
12:26it is a forest is full of trees it's not going to be the easiest place to search there are
12:32a number of
12:33steps that you need to go through firstly you obviously have to forensically examine as best you can
12:40under the circumstances the body whilst it's in situ you would obviously conduct a search of the
12:47surrounding areas and this is specialist police search teams on their hands and knees shoulder to
12:54shoulder and literally fingertips searching until they find anything unusual and of course in this
13:03instance one thing that was discovered around her neck was a piece of wire which becomes very
13:08crucial in the investigation the post-mortem revealed that emma had been the victim of strangulation
13:15and there were markings on her neck consistent with the length of cable that had been found
13:22underneath her neck with the murder investigation underway strathclyde police assemble a task force
13:34each investigation in the uk is given an operation name in this instance emma's murder
13:41the investigation into it was known as operation grail and that consisted of about 50 officers
13:46they took about 8 000 statements and hundreds of dna samples so this was a huge inquiry
13:54the nature of emma's work makes lines of inquiry difficult to establish
14:01they come in contact with very very many people that don't really want to be identified
14:08and so even the sex worker themselves probably doesn't know these people doesn't know their names
14:15doesn't know where they live and that's why it becomes really problematic
14:21police begin their search with the people closest to emma
14:25well first of all the police obviously spoke to emma's family they tried to get as much information
14:29from her family as possible what kind of person emma was and basically her whole backstory as a human being
14:35they then spoke to people in the hostel who knew emma and then they obviously made their way to speaking
14:42to other sex workers on the streets of Glasgow's red light district
14:46who would have knew emma and would have knew her habits her movements and things like that
14:51so they were basically casting as big a net out as possible to speak to as many people as possible
14:57to get as much information about emma and her movements to try and find out who killed her
15:03the senior investigating officer willie johnston makes a number of public appeals for information on emma's murder
15:12they were appealing to the public they were appealing to punters who may well have remembered emma who may well
15:19have you know been with emma
15:20they wanted as many people to come forward and give as much of a detailed description about emma and her
15:28life as possible
15:29they also had billboards with emma coldwell's face on it saying that they were looking for any information
15:37this was really because a lot of people would have seen emma as a sex worker and that's all they
15:42would have seen
15:43they wouldn't have seen beyond that they wouldn't have seen that she was somebody's daughter
15:47she had a sister who died of cancer you know she was a human being
15:51and this was trying to make and help people to see her as a human being and not just a
15:57sex worker
16:02through speaking with emma's colleagues police get their first significant lead
16:10the police had a very interesting conversation with a sex worker who knew emma quite well
16:17this woman told police that there was one particular client who in her words was obsessed with emma
16:24this client would hide out behind some billboards and if another client tried to talk to emma or engage with
16:32emma
16:32he would drive his van at full speed past them to try and intimidate them to try and scare them
16:37off
16:38almost that he was the only one that was allowed to engage with emma
16:43and not only that she had told the other ladies that he'd raped her
16:49so investigators now started to build up potentially a suspect here someone who's fixating on emma
16:56has used violence sexual violence against her and he's described as driving a van that's been seen in that area
17:03so police now had somebody they could start to focus in on
17:07investigators quickly locate the distinct vehicle described by the sex workers
17:13detectives were able to identify a van that was likely to be being used by this man and it had
17:18some writing down the side that said alpha beta sign services
17:23the police were suspicious of this individual
17:26one of the reasons why it was because one of the detectives on the case used to work as a
17:31repairman for neon signs
17:34he noticed that the cable that was found under emma's neck the one end of it was damaged almost as
17:40if it had been burnt
17:41and from his experiences he thought that's the kind of thing that could have happened through repairing a sign
17:47and he thought could there be a connection between the cable and this man and his line of work
17:52so suddenly you got an awful lot of information not evidence at this stage but a lot of good information
18:00saying what this individual ever drives or ever owns that van definitely worth questioning
18:05on the 22nd of june 2005 police identified that the man they were looking for was ian packer
18:14so a decision would need to be made how do we speak to this person do we speak to them
18:18as a witness
18:19or speak to them as a suspect if they're spoken to as a suspect they would need to be cautioned
18:23and they would need to be done under certain circumstances
18:26the police decided they would speak to him as a witness
18:29they go to this man's house the next morning at 7 30 in the morning he's getting up getting ready
18:34to go to work
18:35he is the director of a of a science company and they ask him you know have you ever used
18:43prostitutes
18:44have you ever been in the red light district things of that nature he denies using sex workers
18:50he denies being a regular in the red light district and he is very much given the impression
18:56that this has nothing to do with him that he is just an ordinary guy
19:01fortunately the detective at the time did take a picture of him
19:04in most cases if you deal with somebody as a suspect you take fingerprints you take DNA
19:11that wasn't the case he's been dealt with as a witness so this detective had the thought
19:16i'll take the picture and just to find out and of course then they had a picture they could take
19:20back to some of the witnesses who worked with emma to say is this the individual that you've told us
19:25about
19:25so they showed 12 photographs of men to these girls and asked them whether the person who they described as
19:33fixated
19:33with emma is amongst them and he was they identified ian packer as being that man
19:42a background check on packer revealed more incriminating information
19:48during this investigation a number of women who were also sex workers came forward to say that they knew ian
19:54packer
19:55and they described him as someone that was quite scary they described him as someone who could get very aggressive
20:00very angry someone that was reluctant to use protection someone that would force them to strip off all of their
20:09clothing
20:09and if they didn't do that he would get very angry and he would do things like stomp his feet
20:15and raise his voice
20:16and just not a nice guy to the point that they actually had come up with a book called the
20:22beware book
20:23and within that they had the names of clients that they were warning other working girls to stay away from
20:29and ian packer's name was put in that book quite a few times as well as an alias he had
20:36used called peter
20:38you've got so much evidence now coming from these wonderful witnesses who said this is the man
20:42who is sexually violent towards us and we believe he is responsible for the death of emma
20:49we know he's actually goes to certain areas we know what he's like so there's so much evidence being
20:55being put together that these detectives think they've got the right guy they've got the guy that's been
21:01driving the van they've got the guy that has actually possibly been involved with some sort of cable
21:07involved with neon lights and they've got these witnesses saying he has previous for being violent
21:12towards women on the street obviously the investigation team would be quite excited by this
21:17and they would take the next logical step and that is to arrest and take him into custody
21:25this would obviously have to be approved by the sio and in this particular case the sio decided
21:32that that was not the course of action that they were going to take
21:35they were instructed by the sio not to treat this individual as a suspect and of course
21:44as a junior officer you respect the decision of a sio but it makes you wonder why what they don't
21:53know
21:53is behind the scenes there is a separate inquiry into the murder and four suspects have been identified
22:13strathclyde
22:13strathclyde police are investigating the murder of emma caldwell whose body was discovered in the remote
22:19limefield woods near bigar scotland on the 8th of may 2005.
22:24authorities have identified a strong suspect ian packer a man known for his violent behavior towards sex workers
22:32and is reported to have been obsessed with caldwell
22:35however detectives are unaware that there is a parallel covert murder investigation underway
22:42some detectives working in operation grail went to interview people and when they went to interview them
22:50as witnesses they were told we've already been spoken to you and the detectives were a bit perplexed at this
22:57and goes really he goes oh yeah we've had someone just you know been here recently and spoken to me
23:02and the detectives would ring back to the police station and inquire and be told oh no they haven't been
23:07spoken to you
23:08but the witnesses were absolutely insistent they have been spoken to you
23:12it then transpires that alongside operation grail there is a secret unit working on the emma caldwell investigation called operation
23:20guard
23:21there was a whole different strand to the investigation that they weren't being told about
23:24for me it's unprecedented in the sense that i've not known that if you've got one operation running
23:30that's that operation even if it might coincide or conflict with another one be both aware of both operations
23:39you don't keep an operation within operation secret from police officers because you're gonna get the conflict of interest
23:46and the conflict of evidence you can't do it that way dci colin field holds a briefing in the morning
23:55with ds willie johnson
23:56and all the detectives from operation grail and operation guard and he tells all the detectives what they've been doing
24:04what they've been working on we understand that you're interested in the impactor but this this is where we're heading
24:12the details of operation guards line of inquiry was revealed to be in relation to a turkish man that had
24:19called emma's phone
24:22the last phone call made to emma's phone on the night of monday the fourth of april 2005 was a
24:29seventy second phone call
24:31from a man called abu bakar onku he was a turkish man and he had rang emma that night the
24:39night of her murder
24:40and of course in many many murder cases that you deal with the last person in contact with the victim
24:47tends to be the murderer
24:49further examination of cell phone data reveals that the night of emma's disappearance one of her last known locations was
24:57near a turkish cafe
25:00so now there's a lot of circumstantial evidence not evidence pointing to a murderer or a suspect but the circumstantial
25:08evidence
25:08that the sio's taken aboard thing right it's got to have something to do with that cafe because we've got
25:14the phone
25:14emma's phone near the location and we've got onku that we've now got we know he was the last person
25:20to make contact
25:21or try to make contact with emma and we've got the location so let's not concentrate on looking at the
25:28cafe
25:28because they know that that's also a cafe that's frequented by women and prostitutes so that's where the line of
25:36inquiry then was strengthened
25:41onku was questioned by detectives and he denied that he had seen emma that night he couldn't recall making the
25:49phone call
25:50he couldn't recall what they had spoken about but he denied any knowledge of her murder or the events that
25:56led up to her death
25:57but he did concede that he had had a previous intimate encounter with emma colwell
26:04detectives on operation guard felt this was enough evidence to focus all their efforts on the turkish man and his
26:10comrades
26:11the decision was made to conduct 24-hour surveillance on the cafe which would include visual surveillance and also audio
26:25surveillance
26:26and this would entail putting listening devices or bugs if you like inside the premises so that they could listen
26:36to conversations
26:36this surveillance is massively expensive not only is it time consuming but finding people to follow people 24 hours a
26:46day
26:47to fund the bugging of rooms of people's phones it is a huge undertaking cost-wise but also in terms
26:58of manpower
26:58and is a very complicated and complex procedure to get that type of clearance to start that kind of a
27:09surveillance and investigation is a massive step
27:11but you have to be very sure that you're on the right track you have to be able to demonstrate
27:15that these are the people involved
27:17we really believe strongly they're involved and we want to gather more evidence so you have to convince further up
27:24the line that this is why you're doing it
27:26that there is a valid reason for doing it and that you're confident that you will get some reward at
27:30the end to build a case against these people
27:37Meanwhile detectives on Operation Grail continued their investigation into Ian Packer
27:45They speak to another of the sex workers who says that she's been taken to a remote area by one
27:54of her customers
27:55They then decided to conduct another line up with this particular sex worker and again she picked out Ian Packer
28:10and she said that Ian Packer was someone who would have picked her up on a Monday, Wednesday and a
28:16Friday and she said on one occasion he took her outside of Glasgow to a very remote location at least
28:24an hour's drive away
28:26and the police asked her could she retrace that route?
28:30They were very interested in knowing exactly where Ian Packer took her and when they were going on the route
28:36she was telling the police things she remembered and lo and behold the more they went on the route those
28:42things came to be true
28:45she told him that she noticed a bus stop that she took note of because she said that Packer was
28:50taking her so far
28:51that she at one point was going to jump out of the bus stop to escape because he was getting
28:55very nervous
28:55because he was going so far off the beaten track
28:59She then noticed that at one stage they went over something that made like a
29:03d-d-d-d-d-d-d type noise
29:04Well that turned out to be a cattle grid
29:11She eventually took them to the exact spot
29:14and she described seeing Christmas trees on either side of the road as she described them
29:18and she said she remembers them going up to a silver gate
29:22and she said this was the point that Packer stopped the van
29:31Just to the left of that spot is where Emma Caldwell's body was found
29:39So now we have another woman who working as a prostitute
29:44has been taken to this area by the person that she's named as Ian Packer
29:48and it just so happens that that's the same location as Emma
29:52This cannot be a coincidence, it can't be a coincidence
29:55and yet it still wasn't acted on
29:58They're directed from above to say
30:01Ian Packer is not our man, Ian Packer will never be charged over this
30:04This is not the direction we are heading in
30:08You just get the feeling that the SIO is thinking
30:10No, I want to forget that guy
30:12because the more I've got the distraction of people talking about Ian Packer
30:17I'm losing what I'm trying to gain on the individuals who I believe are responsible for it from the Turkish
30:24cafe
30:24So he tells the officer straight away
30:27Go and speak to him as a witness and tell him that is it
30:30We don't need him any longer, he's free to carry on his own business
30:34But when detectives visit Packer to tell him he is eliminated as a suspect
30:38he makes a shocking admission
30:43Now he admits to everything
30:44Yes, he does know Emma, he has met Emma
30:47He does use prostitutes
30:50But he didn't hurt her
30:51He's non-violent and he sticks to that type of the story
30:55But now we go back and you think these detectives must be sitting there thinking
30:58Wow, hang on, you've gone from lying to us
31:02To driving that van, being possibly associated with the cable
31:07We've got witnesses who've put you at the location
31:11We've got witnesses who say you're a violent individual who's raped some of the prostitutes
31:15And now you're admitting to knowing Emma and having been with her
31:23Based on Packer's confession, detectives on Operation Grail make a tactical decision
31:30Now they asked Packer to take them to the area where he takes the girls
31:35And he took them to exactly the same area
31:42He was within yards of where Emma's body was found
31:47Now for those officers it would have been almost a surreal moment
31:50Here's somebody that we suspect as being the killer
31:53And he's actually taking us to the site where the body was dumped
32:00So these detectives now had a decision to make essentially
32:04In their minds they already suspected that Packer was the killer
32:08Now him taking them to the deposition site, that can only firm that up
32:13How can it not be him?
32:14How can all this evidence pointed to him not be right?
32:18In their minds they're thinking, are we missing something?
32:21Are we going crazy?
32:23We need to take this to the bosses, so that's what they did
32:27Packer has taken us to the deposition site
32:30A deposition site that we ourselves struggle to find
32:34What came back was the same thing
32:37No, leave him alone, it's not him
32:39We've got the right people, it is not Packer
32:42I can't even begin to imagine the frustrations of those officers
32:46Good detectives, good experienced officers
32:49That in their minds would have been absolutely convinced at this point
32:52But were being told by senior officers, no you're wrong
32:56The senior investigating officer orders the detectives pursuing Packer to stand down
33:02Asserting that they have damning evidence
33:04From translated audio recordings captured during the surveillance of the Turkish cafe
33:09During these conversations, a casino was mentioned
33:13And in fact the casino was next door to the premises
33:16They searched the casino
33:19And in the casino they found clothing that they believed to be Emma's
33:24And they also found a little key ring with a horse on it
33:28Which was interesting because Emma had previously worked at the stables as a young girl
33:35Police were convinced that these clothing and items did belong to Emma Caldwell
33:43Their final piece of evidence was found within the cafe
33:49The police when they were searching the Turkish community cafe found some bed linen
33:53And on that bed linen they found two specks of blood
33:56That blood was found to belong to Emma Caldwell
34:00So there were a number of things that made the police very confident
34:03That these Turkish men were involved and ordered them to be arrested
34:07One of the officers who strongly suspected Packer as being Emma's killer
34:13Was given the task of interviewing Onku
34:17Which essentially involved him playing the recordings from the cafe
34:21Recordings that he had been told had been translated by the best in the business
34:27But when they played this recording to Onku
34:31He started to laugh at them
34:33Saying that what you're telling me on there isn't true
34:38Almost ridiculing the product
34:40Ridiculing the officer
34:41Putting them in a really awkward position
34:44The problem was the quality of the audio recordings weren't great
34:48And the detective himself had to concede that it sounded like
34:51A bunch of men sitting around a television chatting
34:54There was just nothing really decipherable there
34:58Basically he went out and told the SIO that
35:00And told the superiors
35:01I'm not convinced this is right
35:03And they said well he's our man
35:05Go back in and charge him
35:06So he did so
35:09After four million pounds had been spent on the investigation into Emma Caldwell's murder
35:14The most expensive murder inquiry ever in Scotland
35:17The four Turkish men are charged with the crime
35:20The pressure is on to secure a conviction
35:23But some detectives are convinced the killer is still walking free
35:41On May 8th 2005
35:43The body of 27 year old Emma Caldwell was discovered in a remote woodland
35:4830 miles south of Glasgow
35:50Five weeks after she disappeared
35:53Strathclyde police charged four Turkish men with her murder
35:56Following a major surveillance operation at their cafe
35:59Making it Scotland's most expensive murder investigation
36:05Police seek authority to charge the four men with Emma's murder
36:08And that's granted
36:09So they're now going to stand trial for Emma's murder
36:14And the defence team would have to look at the evidence
36:17And essentially question it, test it
36:20And the main part of the evidence was these recordings from the cafe
36:25Worryingly what transpired was the experts that the senior officers had used to transcribe the recordings
36:33Were in fact Turkish speaking officers whose grasp of Turkish actually wasn't fluent
36:39One of the police officers whilst he was of Turkish descent
36:42He only had an O level in the subject of the Turkish language
36:47Another officer again of Turkish descent had to confess that his knowledge of the language was at best limited
36:55So it was far from the best experts in the land
37:00Independent translators are brought in to transcribe the recordings in preparation for the trial
37:05The independent experts come in, they listen to the recordings and they say
37:12What is alleged to have been said here is not obvious
37:15We can't say that this is what is being said
37:18It's quite clear that none of this is being said
37:21The other situation was that yes, Emma Colwell's blood was found in the Turkish cafe
37:27But you have to remember that police knew that sex workers had been taken there in the past
37:33That does not necessarily prove that she was killed there
37:37The other issue in regards to the clothing and key ring found at the casino
37:42They were never 100% confirmed to belong to Emma Colwell
37:46The police found them and put two and two together and thought well these have to be Emma's
37:50But they were never independently verified as having belonged to Emma Colwell
37:55At this point obviously that line of inquiry has completely collapsed
38:00Which is unusual because generally speaking
38:05All the evidence is checked and double checked to make sure that we've got it right
38:12This strand of the inquiry collapsed very very quickly
38:19You've now got the whole situation here that you've got the money being spent
38:24The four million pounds that have been spent on this operation alone
38:27Not the original Operation Grail
38:29So what do they do?
38:31We've got the wrong people, we've got no evidence
38:33It's fallen through, what do we do?
38:35It's quite an embarrassment for that SIO
38:40Hindsight is a wonderful thing
38:41It's not like this was built on no foundations
38:44This was built on some foundation
38:46The problem was that it went further than what it should have
38:50If the police had got the independent experts in at an earlier stage
38:55To make the translations and to transcribe the audio recordings
38:58And if they ever turned around and said this is not going to get the court
39:01We can't hear anything, this is not what is being said, this is inaccurate
39:06It may not have went as far
39:08The situation now was that the evidence they had against these four men
39:14Was essentially rubbished
39:16Meaning that the case against them collapsed, they were now to be released
39:19It is strange and questionable as to when the Turkish men are eliminated and exonerated as suspects
39:28That they didn't return to the alternative
39:31And a very strong suspect in Ian Packer
39:35That in itself is strange
39:37Because there was so much pointing to Packer
39:43Though suspicion remains towards Packer, nothing happens for almost 15 years
39:50In 2019, Ian Packer approaches the BBC
39:55And he approaches a well-known journalist called Samantha Pauline
39:58And he wants to tell his side of the story
40:01He wants to clear his name
40:03And he feels her interviewing him is the best way to achieve that
40:08In the production of this particular documentary
40:12Ian Packer decides that he will voluntarily appear
40:16And openly admits that he knows Emma
40:19Openly admits that he uses prostitutes
40:23But says he has never been violent towards them
40:26And he certainly has never raped any of them
40:29If Ian Packer had been raised as a suspect by detectives originally
40:36One of the processes that they would go through is to build up a picture of his life
40:40Trying to understand if there's a pattern of behaviour
40:43That didn't take place because he wasn't raised as a suspect
40:47But those making the documentary went through that process
40:52Trying to build up that picture of him
40:54What Samantha Pauline did was
40:56Samantha Pauline went and spoke to as many people as she could about Ian Packer
41:00And far from a man who denied being sexually violent or abusive to women
41:05Who had never raped a woman, who had never hurt a woman
41:08She found a truckload of circumstantial evidence
41:11From people who had had experiences with Ian Packer
41:15Very negative experiences
41:16One sex worker told her that Ian Packer had got her inside his van
41:21And had attempted to strangle her
41:22And she was only saved when a security guard banged on the van
41:26And she managed to escape
41:27Another one told about being taken behind some shops
41:31Ian Packer had tried to force her onto her knees
41:34And she managed to escape
41:36And when she was running down the street Packer was running after her
41:39Shouting threats
41:40She was building this picture of a very, very dangerous man
41:44Someone that was controlling, someone that was aggressive
41:47And someone that was violent
41:53A woman called Magdalene Roberts is interviewed as part of the documentary
41:57She knew Packer when she was a child
42:00Ian Packer had become a friend to her family
42:03And she had a very disturbing experience with Ian Packer to tell
42:09She said that Packer would sexually harass her
42:13And she's 14 years of age at this point
42:15He would sexually harass her
42:17He would intimidate her
42:19She would wake up in the middle of the night
42:21To find him standing by her bed staring at her
42:24That then escalates to him sexually assaulting Magdalene
42:28And eventually raping her in her own home
42:33She told her family what had happened
42:36And they basically said, you know, you're making it up
42:40But they didn't really believe her
42:41But ten months after the murder of Emma Caldwell
42:45Magdalene Roberts reports her rape by Ian Packer to the police
42:52And the police, unfortunately, do nothing with it
42:57On camera, Samantha Poling confronts Ian Packer with her findings
43:01His decision to participate in the documentary would be his downfall
43:07Whilst he's happy to say, yes, I knew Emma
43:09Yes, I visit sex workers
43:11What he's not expecting is the fact that, hang on a minute
43:14We know you're violent, we know you're a rapist
43:16We know that you've actually committed rape
43:18We know that you actually raped a girl when she was 14
43:22He is sitting there being hit with everything
43:24And that must have taken him by surprise
43:27He was dumbfounded
43:29And really taken aback
43:31When she told him that she believed he was a dangerous man
43:34And that he was dangerous to women
43:36And that he had lied to her
43:38And that he had questions to answer regarding the death of Emma Caldwell
43:42Shortly after the documentary is published, 13 years after Emma's murder
43:47An ex-partner of Packer comes forward and tells police that he had attacked her
43:53He actually was jailed for attacking his former partner
43:57He then subsequently, post that, is charged with the murder of Emma Caldwell
44:02And the interviews he give to Samantha Poling form part of the evidence
44:08Ian, can you describe your relationship to me with Emma Caldwell?
44:12I'm correct
44:13Could you provide a description of Emma to me?
44:16I'm correct
44:17Can you confirm when you first met?
44:20I'm correct
44:21On the 28th of February, 2022
44:25Ian Packer was convicted of Emma's murder
44:29And he was also convicted of 33 other counts relating to assaults, sexual assaults
44:36And over his lifetime, he had targeted and attacked 22 women
44:41Ian Packer was sentenced to life imprisonment with a minimum term of 36 years
44:47It has turned out that he has become one of the most prolific rapists and sex offenders in modern Scottish
44:54history
44:55He has put himself in the frame for a murder that he committed some many years ago
45:06And I find it astonishing that he would do such a thing and unbelievable
45:12When I look at Ian Packer, I see a sexual predator who was driven by his need for power and
45:22control over vulnerable women
45:24Sex workers, 14 year old girl, people that he could easily prey on
45:29And the fact that he was allowed to keep carrying on his crimes, he was almost emboldened
45:36And I think that's the biggest tragedy here of how many victims that fell foul of him when they didn't
45:44need to
45:45For the family, they would have undoubtedly mixed feelings about his conviction
45:50They would be that satisfaction that eventually someone has faced justice for Emma's murder
45:56But he was allowed to live for that interim period
46:00He was allowed out and about to live his life, a life that Emma will never lead
46:14To be continued...
46:20To be continued...
46:25To be continued...
46:43To be continued...
47:04To be continued...
47:06To be continued...