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00:04Ambulance services the patient breathing.
00:09Can you breathe?
00:13Okay, listen, you take a deep breath so we can help him.
00:17Okay.
00:18How old is he?
00:20His eyes are shut in.
00:22It's okay, he's like this, he's breathing.
00:24Right, someone needs to come back to the phone.
00:26Hello, where are the attackers?
00:27Please hurry up, hurry up, hurry up, hurry up!
00:31Hurry up now!
00:32No, no, no, no, no!
00:36Hello?
00:58What's this time going for once, control?
01:19Response officers from West Midlands Police are on their way to a serious stabbing in South Birmingham.
01:25And down.
01:36Single male, massive trauma to his chest and his belly.
01:41Stop moving, little man.
01:43How old are you, Ben?
01:46The badly injured teen is taken to hospital.
01:49Did you see anything, mate?
01:52Whilst officers try to find out what's happened.
01:56I know, we just want to try to get you a few cows, that's all.
02:04She said they've run out the back of this car park and that's all we've got after it.
02:09They don't want to talk to us at all, really, so...
02:12It's a bit difficult.
02:14Lads have found a knife. We're extending the scene further up.
02:18Just hold. I don't... Because you're constantly disturbing any evidence.
02:49I've done the big open area bits this far. And the drains, we can see all of them actually.
02:54Yeah.
02:54With the torch.
02:58You can obviously see the silver kitchen knife amongst what looks like duck-down feathers which may have been from
03:04a jacket of whoever's been involved in the altercation.
03:09The other side's quite, quite heavily kind of sold with moisture, having been on a wet ground.
03:17There is a teenage child fighting for his life.
03:24The biggest challenge of the scene is the sheer size to make sure nothing's missed.
03:31Because at this point, I'm unaware exactly what's happened, where it's happened, and how it's happened.
03:39It's a large, large zombie knife.
03:4225 metres away from the kitchen knife, Andy recovers a second deadly weapon.
03:53Any utility of that's going to cause a significant amount of injury.
03:58I'll photograph it with scale.
04:04I'll make notes of what I've identified.
04:08And we'll send it off to the major crime lab to have that examined.
04:14The knives were spread quite far away from each other, which would suggest that the incident had started in one
04:21location and perhaps finished in another location.
04:25The offenders could have fled in any direction.
04:38With the victim fighting for his life in hospital, the cases escalated to the homicide team, led by Detective Inspector
04:45Aide George.
04:47Morning all then.
04:48So, briefing for Operation Tiffin.
04:52We were called by members of the public and also ambulance, saying that there were trees in a male who'd
04:56been stabbed to the chest.
04:57An arrival at the QE described as actively dying due to his injuries.
05:02He's got stabbed wounds to his bowel and his chest.
05:05It's pierced his pancreas, his liver and his kidney, and he's lost one kidney.
05:10This has a potential to become a murder investigation.
05:14The victim can't be spoken to because he's in intensive care.
05:17He can't tell us what's happened.
05:20Overnight, there's already been a major development in the case.
05:24I have two teenagers in custody who are brothers, both arrested from the same address.
05:31A 15-year-old suspect with minor injuries and his brother have been arrested at a house near the crime
05:37scene after police were alerted by the ambulance service.
05:41So, first suspect is currently in hospital with cuts to his hand and his head.
05:46He can't account for his injuries because he can't remember how it happened, etc.
05:50They come across his brother wearing a jacket that's got, like, kind of slash marks on it.
05:56They've made, obviously, the assumption that he could be involved and he's also been locked up for a temp murder.
06:02Both brothers have been evasive with police and will be interviewed in connection with the stabbing.
06:08I'm presented with two people that are injured.
06:11One victim who's in hospital with serious life-threatening injuries, but I also have the suspect who's also got injuries.
06:18So, it makes it quite complex in terms of what might have actually happened at the scene.
06:23It could be that this was a chance meeting between the two.
06:27They've got involved in a fight and it just so happens that the victim has come off worse.
06:31It could be that the victim has been attacked by multiple people.
06:35There's a whole host of options that it could be.
06:37And there are two witnesses that we're aware of at this moment in time.
06:41Unfortunately, they wouldn't give statements yesterday.
06:43They've told us categorically, go away, don't darken our doorstep again.
06:46We don't want to give you any statements.
06:49CCTV-wise, we've got the CCTV team who are going out and doing recovery for us at the moment.
06:55OK. Thank you.
07:05Without any witnesses willing to talk to them, aid and DC Denisa Briscoe need to gather more information from the
07:13scene of the brothers' arrest.
07:19Hi. So, we've had quite some of a head injury.
07:22Yeah.
07:22Yeah. OK. So, come and take a look.
07:24This is the body wall footage from the arrest of the first suspect.
07:28Officers were called to the brothers' house an hour after the stabbing, when paramedics noticed signs of a knife fight.
07:36What's that for, mate? Where's his stabbing place?
07:39I can't remember.
07:40Sorry?
07:41I don't remember.
07:42I don't remember.
07:43Do you know who else was involved at all?
07:45I can't remember.
07:47Do you know what you were hit with at all? Did you see what hit you?
07:49No.
07:50I mean, he's obviously told the officers that he's been hit, but he's not really, like, kind of disclosing how
07:59he's been hit.
08:00I know. He seems to be quite vague about what happened.
08:03If you're truly innocent, why not give us a full account? Why not tell us now exactly what happened?
08:18I think you can probably see from that injury to his hand and the injury to his other finger, it
08:22looks like a slash mark of some kind.
08:26Feels to me at this moment in time that he's not particularly forthcoming with information, because perhaps he knows that
08:32he's been involved in some form of criminality.
08:36This is the second suspect, his older brother, returning to the address.
08:40Hello. What's your name, fella?
08:42Listen, keep your hands where I can see you, mate.
08:44It's been an incident, mate. It's almost been an incident.
08:46What?
08:47You are.
08:48You're looking like you've been in a fight.
08:49I haven't.
08:51It looks like he's got bits of fluff in his hair.
08:54Yeah.
08:54Which could be from an item of clothing that's been slashed.
08:57Yeah.
08:58There's bits of this kind of stuff, near to where the victim was stabbed.
09:04The issue that we've got, it's all circumstantial, so it doesn't actually prove that they were part of that offence.
09:10Where we don't have any sort of direct evidence, it does make things more difficult.
09:15I'm hoping that forensics are going to be able to tell me exactly what happened.
09:21The victim received a single stab wound to his stomach, but I have two suspects.
09:27So the question is, who's stabbed him?
09:32Who's stabbed him?
09:34Who's stabbed him?
09:36Who's stabbed him?
09:37Who's stabbed him?
09:38Who's stabbed him?
09:38Who's stabbed him?
09:39Lead forensic investigator, Joe Ward, assesses evidence gathered from the crime scene to be sent for urgent testing.
09:50you can see quite a large kitchen knife the concern is straight away for me is that it
09:57appears wet I think it's been raining which may destroy any DNA that's on there it's really
10:05unusual to find weapons at a scene normally when we've got a scene where someone's been
10:10stabbed or injured the weapons are nowhere to be seen so this is real golden nugget for us
10:16then there's another knife but it's a very large machete I'm quite shocked that could do some
10:23serious damage you know young people are walking around carrying these large weapons it's just quite
10:29scary I've certainly seen over the years the weapons getting bigger the zombie knives the
10:35machetes the way it's designed is meant to kill when I was younger if there was a fight it involved
10:42to fists but now unfortunately if you're carrying something you you you'll reach for that weapon
10:48for us it gives us forensic opportunities to you know certainly identify if there's any blood on
10:53those weapons but also who's handled those weapons as well
11:07first technician Holly Ruscola examines the kitchen knife for fingerprint Ridge marks that may help
11:13police identify the attacker I'm using a range of light sources to see if I can find any visible marks
11:29so I'm just going to look at the blade of the knife I'm currently using UV
11:40and I'm just trying to see if there's any rich detail that may be exposed from the light sources
11:49the blade is negative for any marks I'm going to look at the handle now
11:58and I can see some rich detail on the handle of the knife
12:07it's just there but there's not enough to be able to send up to the fingerprint bureau so I'm going
12:18to
12:18class this as being no value as you can imagine a kitchen knife you use regularly so what tends to
12:24happen is you get overlay of an overlay of fingerprints so it's quite hard sometimes to
12:30actually be able to get a decent identifiable fingerprint from it
12:38the focus turns to the 16 inch machete which is taken to be swabbed for DNA so I'll go ahead
12:45and I
12:46will take a sample this is to recover any possible cellular material of anyone who has handled the knife
13:00so I've spotted some red brown staining visible here on the cutting edge of the blade
13:09and then you put a dot of KM on a drop of H2O2
13:17and there we have a nice pink reaction which is an indication that there is blood present
13:23so they get cut off and then put in an authorized tube which will then get sent to DNA
13:33we don't need an awful lot of blood nowadays to obtain a DNA profile from it now we only need
13:40a pin
13:40prick size sample if this comes back to the victim we can say that this knife has been used to
13:48cause
13:48these injuries to the victim and then it's about trying to identify if one of the brothers actually
13:53handled that knife while the victim remains critically ill in hospital suspect one the 15 year old who was
14:02also injured is now fit to be questioned
14:10everything that we see now is being audio and video recorded when I interviewed juveniles I always
14:17try to bear in mind the fact that they are children at the end of the day and they might
14:21be scared they
14:23might have never been in police custody before so it can be quite challenging to get them to open up
14:30so tell us about your involvement in this incident if any at all
14:35I've got prepared statement we don't
14:40I deny the allegation of attempt murder I will maintain that I am the victim of a crime
14:44I sustained injuries of a very serious nature all these injuries were sustained by a knife attack
14:50that I was subjected to I will maintain that I acted in self-defense I felt my own life was
14:55in danger
14:55I responded reasonably
14:59I see your right hand in a cast talk to you about how that knife caused that injury
15:07I remember I was hit first with the knife yeah like chopped yes I put my hand up like this
15:18camera can see it to block it yeah and then yeah it's chopped my hand and then what happened after
15:26that after that I can't really remember I think I fell on the ground or something I think yeah I
15:32think I fell on the ground and then something hit me on the back of my head after that I
15:36was knocked out
15:39he accepts his presence at the scene but states that he was the one that was attacked and he
15:44was just defending himself so it makes it difficult to establish who is you know a suspect and who is
15:50a victim
15:51you say I maintain that I acted in self-defense and then you say I responded reasonably tell me about
16:00how you responded
16:19self-defense is a really tricky one for us to prove but also for us to
16:23disprove it's not clear-cut we are gonna have to look at was he acting reasonably and proportionately
16:31did he feel like that his own life was you know in danger that he needed to like
16:35kind of lash out and so therefore forensics are going to be really key in helping us
16:39build up a picture about what happened and how he came by those injuries
16:54to help investigate suspect one's claim of self-defense Joe assesses the victim's clothing
17:00for signs of how the attack unfolded as you can see it's been cut down the middle which has been
17:11caused by the ambulance at the scene and put it back together fucking jigsaw puzzle this is was it a
17:20prolonged attack they just attempted to stab him once to then prove whether it was self-defense is
17:26quite difficult we know victim suffered one stab wound to the chest but the victims clothing can
17:33tell you a completely different story to what you actually see on the body sometimes on clothing we
17:39see more attempted kind of stab wounds and that may be because you know the victims running away or
17:44he's moving and weapons and you just managed to actually cause the damage but not she penetrated
17:48through to the skin straight away I can kind of see damage mark here and then a bit lower down
17:55kind of to the waist area again appears to have been caused by a sharp instrument and that's gone
18:01all the way through but there's no corresponding marks in the t-shirt and the question is has the
18:06weapon made contact with the actual coat itself it's gone through but then not penetrated the actual t-shirt
18:12it's clothing tells us that the attempt on the actual victim itself was more than just that one
18:16stab wound it really highlights the level of force that was used how frenzied the attack has been
18:24it's likely that his thick coat saved his life he's lucky to be alive
18:34police now want to interview the older brother suspect two whose own coat had apparent slash marks
18:41when he was arrested did you have any involvement in this incident I've got prepared statement to read on
18:48behalf of my client I deny the allegation of attempted murder I'm not responsible for this
18:56offense I've not injured or stopped anyone at all on the night in question I was at home it was
19:03only
19:03after my brother went to hospital that I threw on the coat that he was wearing that evening that is
19:08my brother's coat this is because once the police and ambulance left I was not thinking straight and I
19:13went outside to go and see what happened I'll not be on CCTV at the time of the incident I
19:19deny the
19:20allegation entirely thank you okay so you threw on the coat he was wearing that evening what exactly
19:33made you put his coat on as opposed to your own clothes I'm trying to keep an open mind as
19:40to what
19:40might have happened and there is a possibility that he's telling the truth that he was not involved
19:46but then equally there is also a possibility that he's either covering for his brother or he's also
19:52an offender okay I haven't got any further questions uh need to be concluding
20:03at this moment in time I can't categorically say that he's involved with this incident
20:06you know this is a juvenile so I have a limited amount of time I can keep him in custody
20:12is the forensic evidence going to actually tie him to the scene
20:25with suspect two claiming the ripped jacket belongs to his younger brother
20:29it's sent for urgent DNA testing to see if they can confirm who was wearing it during the attack
20:37the first thing I'm going to do is take a wearer sample so I'm going to start by mini taping
20:45the
20:47inside color when the surface comes in contact with the skin it can leave behind little skin flakes and
20:56oils and stuff and that's just what we're picking up on the tape and it should pick up any cellular
21:02DNA
21:02that's in that area what we need to do is establish you know whose jacket that is however although they
21:11don't share the same DNA because everyone's got their own unique DNA because they live together and
21:17they may share that jacket it may prove difficult to actually say who's the wearer of that jacket at the
21:23time of the attack I'm just looking at this area of damage to the hood so the cuts have quite
21:33a straight
21:34edge to them so it does look like the hood has been cut by a sharp object such as a
21:40knife rather than
21:42if it is torn the edges would look quite frayed and different there's quite a bit of red brown staining
21:52here it looks like could be blood so I'm just going to use my scalpel to cut out a small
21:59area with this
22:00stain I can get those samples sent off to DNA now and we'll see if we can get a profile
22:13this jacket is really crucial to this investigation if that blood comes back to victim then you know
22:20that would suggest that the person wearing that jacket was certainly at that scene and in close
22:25proximity to the actual victim and involved in this incident all right okay so that's a Sainsbury's
22:36camera that camera is looking along at frontage so it's pointing in that direction been able to
22:45get various items of footage CCTV specialist Zed Ahmed is piecing together footage from numerous cameras
22:54in an attempt to track the movements of the brothers and victim on the night of the attack
23:02CCTV work it's quite niche and I think one needs a lot of patience it's really important that you don't
23:10miss
23:10any detail because CCTV footage doesn't lie it acts as a kind of reconstruction tool this is a short walk
23:21a way from where the stabbing took place and I can see the victim goes to McDonald's with two
23:30other females
23:38you need to be cautious when watching nighttime footage it's grainy it can be quite misleading
23:45sometimes you can get the wrong impression so that's really important to keep an open mind
23:57he's in McDonald's for quite some time but just run it forward two minutes past midnight he leaves by
24:08himself unfortunately for us that part of the main road he's not covered by CCTV cameras and I can't
24:15track him any further it's chilling to think that he will be stabbed soon after this
24:35so I just thought I'd update you because I've just had the results back both knives found at the scene
24:41and the ripped jacket have been tested for DNA so if I start off with the silver kitchen knife yeah
24:48no blood
24:49was found on that and there's no fingerprints that were found then we go on to the machete so there
24:57was blood that was found on the actual blade but that's come back to suspect one and there was DNA
25:06that was taken from the handle and that has actually come back to victim okay so suggesting that that was
25:16victim's knife okay that's interesting why was the victim carrying a knife if he's had to go somewhere to meet
25:24somebody with a knife he's potentially expecting some trouble they both stabbed each other but who struck who first
25:34the blood on the outside of the jacket has been profiled to suspect one but no victim's blood so that
25:43fits in with the account of suspect two that he's actually borrowed his brother's jacket after the event
25:51i'm not sure if you've been given an update from the prepared statement that suspect one gave an interview
25:56which was effectively he was acting in self-defense he was attacked and that's obviously why he's lashed out
26:03so obviously some of those results does go some way to like kind of supporting his account
26:13i'll be uh sorting out your bail so you are going to be released from custody today but there are
26:18actually certain bowel conditions that are going to be attached to you all right
26:23so far none of the forensic evidence links suspect two the older brother to the stabbing
26:31i don't feel that we've gathered enough evidence that we can go and approach the crown prosecution
26:35service in order to authorize charges may actually be the evidence doesn't exist because he's not
26:40involved but equally the investigation will continue it doesn't stop just because someone's been bailed
26:46thank you sergeant while suspect two is released on bail his younger brother remains in custody
27:06so we've received in both suspect one and suspect two's devices i'm just going to take initial
27:12photographs of both of these in a bid to find a motive for the attack that connects the brothers
27:18to the victim all three teenagers phones are sent for data to be downloaded suspect one's device it's
27:28very damaged cameras smashed the back smashed the slight cracking to the front of the device just
27:34to be very careful when we're extracting the the data from this just showing that the device is encrypted
27:52apple devices are notoriously difficult to get into
27:57it doesn't look like we've picked up a lot from images videos or chats
28:05there's literally next to nothing now starting on suspect two's device
28:15i'm not actually seeing a lot of images videos or any kind of media whatsoever
28:21doesn't appear like there's much data from the extraction at all because it's probably a new
28:26phone that's why although the suspect's devices are encrypted the victim's phone is unlocked
28:33and the data downloaded for digital media investigator sherry watkins to analyze
28:39i think when it comes to digital evidence these days it's one of the most crucial elements
28:45of an investigation especially when you're dealing with teenagers they are addicted to their phones
28:51the phones of the world they're everything so i know that the victim's phone was used to phone
28:57999 so that call i've got that on here so that was at 00 49 hours um i'm going to
29:06go back
29:07a couple of hours and see if there's any content of note there the first thing i want to do
29:11is look
29:12see if there's any contact between the victim and one of the suspects chances are with the age it's
29:17going to be snapchat tick tock because kids rarely use network calls network text messages these days
29:23it's usually all apps he's got some stuff funny that i usually find on teenagers phones there's a
29:30chat here where he's um swapping rap songs with somebody a lot of it's just chats with friends by the
29:38looking at maybe a girlfriend and what else have we got he is using snapchat quite a lot you can
29:45do
29:45direct messaging but the thing with snapchat that attracts a lot of them too is the fact that it
29:50disappears quickly afterwards so the content's gone it can't be retrieved but we have got some data
29:56that comes back on the phones from the data sherry is able to pinpoint communications between the
30:04victim and suspect one looks like there's a large volume of messages between like nine o'clock at
30:11night and quarter to one which is pretty much like a couple of minutes before this all kicked off
30:18and there are 242 messages and they're literally like bang bang bang bang bang and there's a couple
30:23of phone calls there's some like video calls on there but annoyingly i can't see any of the content
30:29it does make me wonder what was being said as much as it's frustrating because i don't have the content
30:36those messages were being banded back and forth and they literally finished seconds before the attack
30:43has taken place which would suggest that there was potentially a pre-arranged meet between the victim
31:01and suspect one
31:02got some further footage here from the sainsbury's car park with the phone data suggesting a planned
31:10meeting zed has tracked the victim to the car park close to where he was found stabbed
31:16and discovered a major lead i can see he's on his mobile phone
31:23he's now walking backwards and forwards i wonder whether he's waiting there for somebody
31:36to the left of the frame i can see three individuals running in the direction of the victim
31:44the victim is walking off to the right of the screen and these three individuals are chasing him
31:52it's three individuals that are involved in this incident that's significant that is
31:57who is this third suspect who is doing what the footage is not the clearest it's dark at the time
32:06their faces are covered they're wearing dark clothing at this moment i'm unable to identify
32:13who the actual suspects are yeah if i just pause it there and take it back slightly i've just noticed
32:21something i've zoomed in here onto the cctv footage and just there something that caught my eye
32:31he's clearly holding an item that's shiny it's got a reflective quality it's certainly consistent
32:37with a knife and he's holding that in his right hand as he's running in the direction of the victim
32:42i imagine to to attack him the victim and the individuals have gone off the screen and i don't
32:53think i've got footage from that particular location is it a setup it's very difficult then for a suspect
33:02to argue that they acted in self-defense and therefore use reasonable force if actually what
33:07they've done is arranged to meet somebody with a view to having some disorder with them
33:14where there's also still like some outstanding offenders there there is either one or possibly two
33:20outstanding offenders it's really important that we get this third person into custody the longer
33:25that that takes the more opportunity they have to dispose of any weapons any clothing dispose of any
33:33mobile phone all things that may link them to the other suspects and the scene i mean with regards
33:40to the victim actually why what what's his um current state at the minute is he still stable so he's
33:45critical but stable um they're still monitoring him he's having regular scans we'll see what happens
33:51like kind of with him over the next couple of days and i'll let you know yeah all right okay
33:54okie doke zed has widened his search for the three attackers on cctv and alerts aid to new footage
34:03he's found from the brothers local area if you sit down i'll just lead you through it
34:13footage here shows suspect number two leaving his address yep climbing out of the house through the
34:21downstairs window he then makes his way over the road to the other suspects address followed by suspect
34:31number one okay it's the same route zed is able to track both brothers as they're joined by the third
34:38suspect minutes before the stabbing both suspects follow suspect number three and you see all three
34:47suspects as they walk onto the road and in the direction of the car park that's a good clear
34:53image of this isn't it all three suspects chase the victim we believe these three individuals have
35:04attacked the victim this changes everything we have a third suspect we now know that that person lives
35:12uh in the same street as our two suspects uh an arrest team heads to the new suspects address
35:29where they find a 15 year old who resembles the figure seen on cctv you are under arrest and suspicion
35:36of attempted murder and possession of an offensive weapon do you want to put some clothes on on i'm
35:43going to have to put some handcuffs on you okay suspect two the older brother who was released on bail
35:53is also rearrested we're here in relation to the incident that you were previously arrested for
36:00basically we've had further evidence that we need to question you about where's your phone we know you've
36:06got a phone here mate we could turn the place upside down or you can give us the phone give
36:10me the phone
36:11otherwise stop being silly
36:20stop being silly
36:32did you hear what the allegation is regarding the attempt murder vulnerable ip due to age yes
36:40and what's he been arrested for attempted murder you've heard what the officers have said so just pop
36:45your hands out of there for me please mate i am authorizing your detention here that means you're going to
36:49remain here with us for a time so that we can secure and preserve evidence and you can be interviewed
36:53all right
37:01police now have three teenagers in custody who are their prime suspects
37:22so i've got the phone download for suspect three's phone now and there's loads of stuff on here with
37:27his mom i know i do that the kids like i can't be asked to shout up the uh stairs
37:33to them sorry for
37:34this morning when you wake me up angry i'll get in a bad mood but i cleaned the kitchen and
37:38the living
37:38room for you it's like oh you read stuff like this you realize that they are only kids aren't they
37:44i'm going to click on to the notes section so i've got 207 notes and i can see already that
37:51there are
37:51some what looks like rap lyrics and it might be a case of if i go through all these lyrics
37:58there might
37:59be something mentioned in the incident teenagers will talk quite freely amongst each other when it
38:04comes to their phones they think it's a safe environment they'll have like a false sense of security
38:09that what they're discussing will never be read by anybody um and are often surprised when they are
38:16so if we have a little listen
38:24he's on right sitting in the trap
38:27probably a car
38:28i chop it down to stones which is going to be potentially a reference to a drug line
38:42looks like there's some stuff around drug dealing some lists and some amounts
38:47there's references about chinging people splashing people wetting people which all of them
38:56are in reference to stabbing wearing bally's balaclavas shanks
39:02your knives certainly doesn't really paint a pretty picture does it
39:07teenage slang it's really hard to decipher sometimes you have to decode them latest one i've got was
39:14flizz that was a new one on me um i thought that was a person for a while because people
39:19have some
39:20crazy street names and then it turned out that flizz was bad
39:25difficulty is they share lyrics and they share songs with each other but it's hard to work out
39:31whether they're talking about something that has actually happened whether it's something they want
39:34to get involved in or whether it is just pure fantasy trying to work out what's facts and what's fiction
39:39really sherry also examines a new unencrypted phone from suspect two which police found on him when he was
39:47re-arrested he's got for nearly 45 000 images on this phone but i can filter them down
39:56this one here tagged tonight's vibe of a male posing with what looks like a very large hunting knife
40:07now his face is blurred out but there's a second video like literally six minutes after this of
40:13suspect two and i can see it's him his face isn't blurred and he's wearing exactly the same clothing
40:18so it looks like he has had or has in his possession a rather large hunting knife at some point
40:25i mean this kid here's got a rambo knife and these are all different kids i don't know who they
40:30are
40:31but they all look about the same age like kind of late like mid to late teens you're talking rambo
40:37knives and zombie knives they're that big and they're deadly weapons they're really blase about it
40:43they don't seem to care that shouldn't just be a normal thing for you know 15 16 year olds to
40:48do
40:48but it seems like it is these days
40:56sherry updates aids team to see whether any of these discoveries can be used as evidence
41:02profile 2's phone yeah that we've had off him there's a lot of pictures of knives isn't there
41:08they're really looking aren't they they're like giant like hunting knives i can't see anything that
41:14specifically mentions the incident itself that i can see okay attempted murder is a very difficult
41:22crime to prove we have to demonstrate to the court that those individuals had the intention to kill
41:29the victim so that they had jointly acted together in order to inflict that injury can we actually prove
41:40that the knife used to attack the victim has not been found so joe meets with digital imaging specialist
41:47lucy mcgregor to analyze a 3d scan of his injuries the stab wound would have been along this line
41:54somewhere and this is just a scar from where they've opened him up for surgery um to assess the damage
41:59um within his stomach area the process known as body mapping may reveal clues to what kind of knife
42:07was used it did a lot of damage on the inside so there was wounds to the front and back
42:12walls of the
42:12stomach um and also the left lobe of the liver was damaged as well as well as a laceration to
42:18the
42:18pancreas the left kidney was also damaged and had to be removed so it must have been gone in quite
42:23deep
42:24then hadn't it yeah very deep yeah body mapping is really useful because you can see the angle that
42:30the knife's gone in there could be a whole range of scenarios of like what position was in if he
42:35was
42:35moving at the time or was he crouched down when the knife going towards him you know it's obviously
42:40quite a significant weapon to have caused you know those injuries whether it's perhaps gone in at an
42:45angle as well or kind of repeatedly gone in possibly an angle to then hit his kidney up here
42:53there's a lot of questions and a lot of unknowns really of the kind of sequence of events i think
42:58the impact is when you actually say oh my god it's gone right through and it's it's nicked his kidney
43:03but the frustrating part is the fact that we can't identify which weapon was used and who
43:08actually used that weapon to cause the injuries to the the victim this could kind of jeopardize the case
43:20really on this particular cctv footage we've got all three suspects as they make their way away from
43:27the crime scene post-offence after searching dozens more cameras zed has located the suspects fleeing down
43:34a side street and found more than just images it appears as if they are avoiding the main roads
43:43and this particular footage has audio recording brilliant
43:51you can hear there they're having a conversation amongst each other
44:03so the one suspect says to the other is that your blood and he replies no
44:11takes his jacket off and hands it to the other suspect
44:16they then go off onto a side road this particular footage here that we've obtained also has audio
44:26that he's quite far ahead of you isn't he like he's powering ahead
44:33saying that he's dropped his shanks okay so that he's dropped his weapons
44:39one of the other suspects then says he's done the same the third suspect says that he's in possession
44:44of his weapon yeah that cctv with the audio is really a key find all three suspects make
44:53reference to either being in possession of a knife or having been in possession of a knife
44:58and clearly this is incriminating evidence
45:06and all three then run off off camera you can hear the tyrants in the background can't you and
45:13wonder if that's what a lot makes them start to run the audio footage from the cctv demonstrates that
45:20they were all armed with weapons it suggests to me really that all three people jointly acted together
45:28in order to inflict that injury one of them it looks like he's holding his head right you see here
45:38that right hand is touching the back of his head i imagine he may have sustained an injury during this
45:44altercation and i'm aware that suspect number one did sustain a head injury as well as a hinge injury to
45:57his hand all three suspects now face questioning about the new footage starting with 15 year old suspect
46:05three i want to show you some footage and this has got sound so i want you to pay attention
46:12to what you can
46:13hear as well come and drop my shanks what does that mean his shanks means knives doesn't it no problem
46:25so you're shouting back at them that you dropped your knives do you agree that that's you that said that
46:31don't comment which one of the brothers said that no suspect two the older brother who previously
46:43denied being at the scene is next to be re-interviewed i'm going to show you now some images
46:51these three males entering the rear of sainsbury's
46:57i believe that person there is yourself can you tell me any different what was your purpose of
47:04going on to sainsbury's car park did you have a knife when you went to that car park you see
47:13that person there has got an object in his hand can you tell me what that is is it a
47:18knife
47:18no problem suspect one is also questioned about the evidence which challenges his claim of self-defense
47:30this is my final offer to you will you tell me in detail everything that happened during that incident
47:36i reiterate i am not guilty of attempt murder i feel i am a victim in this case also had
47:42i not
47:42defended myself i believe i would have been killed i would make you no further comment
47:47it's not guilty right 17 42 and i'm switching the machine off thank you
48:01we have three suspects who have been present or have attacked our victim for me that diminishes the
48:10self-defense aspect that was put forward by suspect one and made it less believable
48:20so i now really need the victim's account to help build that story
48:24that then gives the best understanding about what happened that evening
48:35right so do you want to talk me through basically what happened to you there's a breakthrough for the
48:44team the victim is finally well enough to give a witness statement and reveal his version of events
48:51we had agreed on meeting up just me and him we never agreed on no fighting no violence but
48:58we just agreed on meeting up he confirms that suspect one arranged to meet him on the night of the
49:05stabbing he had sent me a snap he said oh i'm on my way he was just saying he doesn't
49:10want problems
49:10he was convincing me making it seem like oh it was all going to be fine and when did you
49:14fall out with
49:15him we played for the same football team he was my friend as well it's just we fell out after
49:21i had
49:21a problem with one of his friends who used to also play for that team so you had a problem
49:25with his
49:25mate over it was a play fight that went too seriously and he threatened to stab me
49:33i look up and then i see three masked people running up at me
49:42and then they pulled out their knives okay his older brother had a kitchen knife and his
49:48other accomplice had two knives i don't know what type of knives though but he took out two knives so
49:53then i took out my knife and like held it out towards them okay so tell me what made you
49:59take your
50:00knife out of that point because i knew they were they were trying to kill me that was their intention
50:05what made you take that knife with you when you went to see him i felt that the need to
50:11have
50:11something to protect myself just in case because i know the type of person he is so what was your
50:16intention when you when you took that knife with you to for self-defense i just wanted to keep it
50:22to
50:22myself they were all running up at me they were all just trying to swing at me and i was
50:26just trying
50:26to swing to keep them away from me okay so hold it there for a second and what was your
50:31intention when
50:31you just swinging your to get them to get them back to get them to run away they would go
50:36back
50:36to pretend they were going to go away then they would come back again and try and attack me
50:39they just wanted to kill me who's who's coming at you they all took swings at me it was like
50:46it
50:46was like they were taking turns they were playing with me they knew they could kill me but they
50:50were just playing with me and that was when he just came and he stabbed me through the victim
50:58named suspect one as the person who stabbed him in the chest i didn't feel pain i just felt like
51:06there was something inside me and then when he was trying to take it out it was just like it
51:11jammed in
51:11my kidney and that was when i swung as well because the adrenaline kicked in that i don't remember i'm
51:18pretty sure i caught him somewhere here on his arm when you struck him with your uh knife how many
51:25times
51:25did you do it i can't remember pretty sure it's once or twice i just started running down the road
51:31i was running for my life because adrenaline helped me i was just running
51:39it's really pleasing that the victim's given us an account um that he is willing to support our
51:44investigation but it's really important that we don't just take it at face value you know we need to
51:49make sure that what we're being told is true okay that's interesting and there are some lyrics on here
52:07one of them has actually got the name street name of our victim in it as well
52:12sherry has been digging deeper into suspect two's new phone which he used after the offense
52:19and hidden amongst the many notes discovered a song lyric
52:24fucked at nhs are you taking the piss and then it's the street name of our victim should have got
52:29packed that day but he got revived three shanks up when we booked that prick we done it all flizz
52:36but we don't give a shit 36 hours banged up in sales i ain't no rat don't talk to the
52:41pigs
52:42fucked street name of our victim should have been in my spliff they're mentioning our victim they're
52:50mentioning the fact that he should have got packed that day which i'd suggest means body bagged killed
52:55but he got revived three shanks up three knives up but i ain't no rat don't talk to the pigs
53:03great
53:04that first verse definitely sounds like what happened on the night it's mentioning our victim and he's
53:11clearly very upset that the nhs managed to save his life i find it mind-boggling that you would
53:19brag about nearly killing somebody i just i can't wrap my brain around that it's like writing a
53:26confession down in the form of rap it's so incriminating
53:36aid meets with joe to assess whether there's strong enough evidence to charge all three teenagers
53:42with attempted murder attempt murder is probably one of the hardest defenses because you've got to
53:48show that intent we need to show that there was an intention to kill to kill yeah the victim is
53:53saying
53:53that you know or he was attacked by all three people we know from phones that there was potentially a
54:01uh a meetup arranged um and therefore that they've gone there in order to like kind of sort out some
54:08issue like kind of between them i think that shows actually that they were all aware of what was
54:14going on that night because they got kind of three against one haven't you yeah yeah which shows that
54:18they were the aggressors yes we know that suspect one has got some injuries but the severity of like
54:25kind of the victim's injuries the fact that he was on his own and the fact that obviously he's seen
54:30like kind of people are running towards him that evidence is an element of planning i think diminishes
54:36self-defense given you know that knife crime is such an issue i think it's only sensible really that we
54:42just discuss that with cps yeah we've got mobile phone evidence we've got cctv evidence you know by
54:50putting it all together that then helps us to show um what has happened and able to demonstrate to the
54:58court these three individuals have attacked the victim and caused that very significant injury to him
55:10can you come and stand at the desk please thank you we're going to be charged okay with some very
55:16serious offenses the crown prosecution service decides that all three suspects should face the same
55:24charges you're going to be charged with the following offenses first offense attempted murder second
55:31charge had with you in a public place an article which had a blade or was sharply pointed namely a
55:37kitchen knife i do know that you're 15 years of age and they are very serious and grave offenses for
55:43which you've been charged it is hard sometimes to step back and think wow these are only like 15 16
55:5117
55:52year old kids when you really boil it down we're not talking about grown adults here we're talking
55:55about kids that have got their whole lives in front of them what the hell are you doing if you
56:00understand
56:01those charges if you can sign right here that's not to say you're admitting to anything it's just to
56:05that's not to say that you've understood the charges
56:06you
56:45we never take the pleas to lesser offenses lightly but it's incredibly difficult in order to prove an
56:52attempted murder and actually i believe this was the right thing to do in these circumstances we have
56:56achieved some justice for the victim and his family and hopefully this will set a clear message to young
57:02people to the dangers of knife crime and the dangers of carrying knives
57:06country
57:26um
57:31unfortunately a case like this you know it affects so many people
57:35The victim has got now life-changing injuries for the rest of his life.
57:41I can only imagine what the victim's family,
57:44but also the suspect's family, are going through.
57:48It's so sad that they've got their whole life ahead of them.
57:51You know, I'm sure they all had aspirations
57:53of what they wanted to do in the future.
57:55You know, that's been taken away from them, really,
57:57from a moment of bad choices that they've all made.
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