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00:02No, I don't want to lose. You don't play a fair fight. No, I can't decide. If it's worth my
00:09time, betray me once. I'll let you live if you want.
00:15Did he sleep with someone?
00:19If you want to know, I will tell you.
00:21I do.
00:23Right now?
00:24Yeah, he's up to someone.
00:24I just would prefer you to call someone else.
00:26I'm sorry, he did.
00:32I'm sorry.
00:33I know.
00:34It's not surprising.
00:35Like, he probably has fucked everyone.
00:37Dakota and I haven't done for a few months, but he's still, like, all about family and wants a family,
00:43love, loves me, his child, all these things.
00:47I wanted to be with him, and so for me, it's very confusing. That's where I think my frustration comes
00:51from.
00:51This is just, like, my sign. He is who he is. He's never going to change. It's time to move
00:56on with my life.
00:58Sorry.
00:58I'm so sorry.
00:59It's okay.
01:01It hurts. It hurts.
01:03I'm sorry, Taylor.
01:05And he's like, you never loved me.
01:07No, yes, I did. I stayed for three years.
01:12I do feel a little bad about telling Taylor right now because the reunion's coming up, and she could be
01:17extra emotional now, but to be honest, there's never a good time to hear something like this.
01:22Taylor and Dakota's dynamic is so toxic.
01:24At this point, I'm not sure if I made the right decision. I don't know. I feel like my intentions
01:29were good because she wanted to know. She was asking me, but now I'm wondering if I just opened up
01:33a bigger can of worms.
01:36I'm so pissed. I'm so pissed. I'm not at him. It's just him as a person. I know. Fuck. And
01:43now he's having sex on TV. It's like, have you not done enough to me? And I had to move
01:49on. I have to move on. Like, I don't have a choice. That's what sucks.
01:52Yeah. And I think you're feeling resentful towards him for making you have to do that.
01:57I know we're, like, done. It's just, like, resurfacing feelings of, like, it's just reliving them. The same betrayal I've
02:05lived for so long. It's like, anyone that's ever been in this position knows it's, like, you're not at you
02:10because you're allowing it. Taylor's allowing it. I'm doing this to myself. Like, it's my responsibility to, like, go and
02:17stop. And I just, like, I'm having a really hard time doing that. So it's just, like, I'm mad at
02:21me.
02:25Taylor, stop. No, I just want to know. Taylor. I just want to know why. Why? Why what? If you
02:32enjoyed it. Taylor, you don't need to know that. You don't need to know that. Hello? Hello? I just want
02:40to know if you, like, enjoyed it. Taylor. Look, I'm freaking so sad because you made me do this and
02:48I didn't want it. And then you go and have sex on TV.
02:51No, I want to know. But you did. Hot sex on TV. Don't say no. You did. I didn't enjoy
02:57it, Taylor. Of course I did. Oh, you didn't? You didn't finish? No. Did you finish? No. Did you finish?
03:04Yeah. Okay, so you did enjoy it.
03:07What do you mean? You enjoyed it, then. I can still have sex and it not be enjoyable. Do you
03:14feel better?
03:15Taylor, as you viewed, didn't hurt me enough. As if I didn't have to leave you already.
03:19If I didn't hurt you enough. Who was the one that was always pushing me away? You. Was I ever
03:24pushing you away? The entire relationship? No, Taylor, never. I never didn't want you. You made it impossible for me.
03:30You made it impossible for me.
03:32I hate how toxic this situation is for Taylor. It is ruining her day by day. And I am so
03:38hoping that The Bachelorette is a really good detox for her to truly move on.
03:42Sorry I moved on. Like, what do you want from me? You moved on. You have another man that you
03:47apparently love so much.
03:49I never said love.
03:50Yeah, because you don't like him.
03:52Do you like the girl you fucked?
03:54Fuck no.
03:55Do you even know her?
03:56I mean, no. Not really.
03:58So you just fucked some random ho on TV?
04:03Congrats. You win.
04:08Come ye snakes and come ye sinners. Hallelujah.
04:16Listen up. I'm the one you've been dreaming of. I got everything you could ever want.
04:26Tryin' to see you out. Bring you to your knees. Baby, you're gonna believe.
04:38Baby, you're gonna believe.
04:43Baby, you're gonna believe.
04:46Baby, you're gonna believe.
04:46Baby, you're gonna believe.
04:49Baby, you're gonna believe.
04:50Baby, you're gonna believe.
04:52Baby, you're gonna believe.
04:53Baby, you're gonna believe.
04:53Baby, you're gonna believe.
04:53Baby, you're gonna believe.
04:54Baby, you're gonna believe.
04:56Baby, you're gonna believe.
04:59Baby, you're gonna believe.
05:17that's it babe spill the tea what happened at the villa it was crazy what do you want to know
05:24who do you what do you want to hear about first start from the beginning you actually don't know
05:28like pretty much anything no tell me everything okay zach has been back from the dad talk trip for
05:34a couple days and to be honest i've been so busy with dancing with the stars work and taking care
05:39of the kids i haven't even had time to talk to him about what happened all i know so far
05:44is that
05:45zach talked to marciano more about what happened with demi i actually talked to marciano for like
05:51an hour and surprisingly i trust him personally more than i trust to me based on my personal
05:57experience with her and how manipulative i think she is as a human being i'm dying to hear more
06:03about what actually happened one of my biggest takeaways from the villa is that there is two
06:07sides to like all these stories that are being told like the first dinner we all wore black because
06:11we're like it's marciano's funeral like we were all planning on just going ham and then we we talked
06:15to him and like babe he really was not a good guy but like you could just tell like he
06:21does have some
06:21genuine remorse he was just like no like i messed up i felt bad about this but like i don't
06:25know how to
06:26handle the situation this is what happened he kissed to me before he left and then he also said
06:31when they went up into the bathroom they did more more than talking like i talked to hannah and hannah's
06:39like yeah when marciano and demi went outside like they talked for six hours i know i've always had a
06:44feeling that demi was lying about the whole marciano situation even the kumbaya didn't seem
06:50genuine to me i never wanted to talk about this that was the reason of me being like please jen
06:56don't bring this up i obviously want to walk out here and be like oh i understand me like i
07:01can see
07:02her i want to move forward but to be honest i'm even more confused now i think a lot of
07:07the girls are
07:07trying to move past everything that happened but to be honest i'm having a hard time looking past it
07:12because i don't think that she should just get away with treating everyone like crap and then
07:19just pretend like nothing happened i kind of want to set the record straight we'll see what happens at
07:25the reunion thoughts and prayers we're gonna need it like i've been on jordan's biased side i've been
07:30like oh marciano it wasn't until i talked to marciano even after jordan found out about the affair
07:34jesse continued to talk to him i think we put so much blame on marciano marciano this marciano that
07:42this horrible evil guy i'm like it is just as much to me and jesse if not more because they
07:47were the married ones marciano's single so they they're way more in fault than than him in my
07:53opinion i don't know exactly what happened between marciano and demi and i don't think anyone's ever
07:58gonna know i think that the story brett and demi are telling isn't true the reunion is coming up if
08:03anyone does call out me or my wife i'm gonna be defensive i guess we'll see how it goes sooner
08:10or
08:10later everything will come out unfortunately so yeah but anyways dakota
08:16somehow ended up poking up with this chick and and he had sex and he had sex with her oh
08:21my gosh
08:22next morning he seemed really happy because he was slapping cheeks and now hearing a little bit
08:26more of what actually happened at the villa especially with dakota and some of the girls
08:32there i definitely think taylor is gonna lose her shiz
08:37honestly going there and seeing the single wife it made me realize i would like like i honestly just
08:44felt bad for dakota and chase and like i would never want to do this instead we'd rather do this
08:49i would rather do this yeah he's got the best of the best
08:53i wanna be with you
09:11Mamma mamma mamma mamma mamma mamma
09:32this is awesome babe have you been to something like this I have
09:48maybe I have a new career in the works have you on this mic here
09:52all right can you guys hear me yes sir all right we got the harmony I think so
09:57okay we're about to find out bring it in about to find out good luck
10:10I see your true colors shining through a little flat is it too high no I got it
10:21okay because from what I'm hearing it's not it's night and day from what I heard in the car to
10:26now
10:26so I almost think you need to take it off so you can hear really yeah
10:36I think just a little too intense pull back a tiny bit okay
10:41call me up a little too breathy I think that's what's making it flat
10:44like a little again from the starter just keep going just keep it going
10:50true colors are beautiful
10:57you need to like bring it down here a little bit more
11:00and I see your true colors shining through
11:07I see your true colors and that's why I love you
11:15true true colors are beautiful
11:24like a rainbow
11:38I loved it I think we got some good takes here I mean
11:42that's a wrap thank you so much you guys are great fun yeah that was so fun
11:46yeah thank you so fun thank you so good to meet you all right you guys have a good one
11:50you too bye
11:54you need to be doing that more I want to do that more that was so like liberating and
11:58just felt like oh this is what I need to be doing
12:03how are you feeling about the reunion
12:04I'm excited to defend you from all this absolute bullshit I am so sick of the lies I'm sick of
12:14the
12:14posturing they've locked in on the opinion of something happened or what Marciano said is true
12:22so Zach facetimed Jen while he was in the villa yeah and they had conversations with
12:29Marci foo-foo poo-poo butt face he said that more happened between him and Demi
12:35he said that there was more than kissing now so it just keeps going up
12:40Zach believed it before he even went so that's not shocking
12:43you want to choose to believe somebody who is
12:45well-documented liar versus somebody who has always told the truth
12:51I want nothing to do with this so Jen why are you still lying about me why are you going
12:55on
13:01this is so crazy so Jen and Zach were on the vile files podcast and they were asked about what
13:08went
13:09down between Demi and Marciano I was asking her about how this trip was going and you called me
13:13I was like yeah Demi has just been crying in our room for the last hour she's so she feels
13:17so bad
13:17she feels like she's cheated on her husband yeah well why well because she was sitting on his lap
13:21she was kissing um all these things that were never shown in the edit I mean you have a group
13:27of people that are constantly trying to poke holes in your story and lie about you I used to feel
13:32bad
13:32for Zach and now that I have seen him repeatedly enable Jen I feel like he knows better a lot
13:40of people
13:40in the group will try to make excuses for her like oh she's just like saying these these things
13:45and she thinks they're true well that's called defamation that can really heavily ruin someone's
13:50reputation it's not okay
14:06oh yeah that's like due this week I keep forgetting to do it's been sitting there for like literally six
14:11months I think we have been so busy lately between having a newborn and two other kids running baby mama
14:17coordinating things for the book tour having the memoir come out this has just been a huge goal of
14:22mine for the last 10 years and I just can't believe it's actually happening maybe I'll do that like
14:26that that's very like bank signature-esque what now I did three's on accident so I'm not used to
14:32writing your last name can't do that I'm getting some comments from the boys on my post about you
14:37the boys question things a little bit yeah no it's just talking about London Jacob what does that mean
14:46London Jacob better watch yourself
14:50just remember who rules I'm on the dad talk just remember who rules this house
14:54are you serious all right well two can play at that game can they yep
15:01yeah there we go how's that oh gosh it's giving me the a because it reminds me of Jordan
15:06I feel like I'm like are you serious you have a different font because he wears that one too much
15:11Jordan is Jordan but this dad talk hat does look pretty good on me though Jacob has been a little
15:17more spicy since he got home from London and I will say I'm a little annoyed that Jacob waited to
15:23tell
15:23me things Jordan told Jesse everything right away and I was like there is no bro code when you are
15:28married so I'm happy that he is making new friendships but I don't know if dad talk has the right
15:33friendships
15:33I was surprised that like I got along with Chase so much when we were out there
15:37but he's surprised he's a funny dude he's witty you know he's like like a typical fuck boy
15:42yeah yeah you literally hated him like two weeks ago no I know we just got back from London and
15:49I'm
15:50honestly surprised that I had such a good time with all the guys it's kind of making me realize that
15:53I
15:53think I need some more bro time I don't know if Macy's gonna like this though she thinks Chase is
15:58just
15:58a piece of shit and now that we're all hanging out I really want to make sure that they can
16:01kind
16:01of get past this then I hope they can how do you feel about like me being around Chase right
16:05now
16:05like you have a good reputation and I feel like it's going to be tainted by hanging out with toxic
16:09men
16:14yeah hey hey Brooks that's a lot dude yeah let's take a chill pill
16:17I want to see him try and walk now that's like me and my experience come here bro
16:23he's actually had a lot chasing maybe don't put your face on the bark but I was spinning too fast
16:30it's no secret that Chase has caused a lot of drama with the women and mom talk in the past
16:37I try to stay out of most of Chase's drama because I value our co-parenting relationship but right now
16:44with Chase being in dad talk if he starts acting up at the villa but I was bringing up the
16:52fact that
16:53Macy obviously has her qualms with me walk into your birthday party and she throws a fit to you
16:58not expecting you know our favorite person to walk in the door today I feel like if I'm good with
17:03him
17:03no no I'm pissed I've wanted to potentially have a conversation with Macy at some point
17:10because I love dad talk and I'm on good terms with pretty much all those dudes I want to just
17:15bury the
17:15hatchet with these girls if they will allow for it but I mean who knows I asked Jacob and he
17:21said well I
17:22heard that uh she told me that after you know all the things that that stuff came out with Taylor
17:26on
17:26the TikTok live that you had been hitting her up in her DMs oh and I was like hold on
17:30and I pulled up
17:31our DMs and I said dude this is Macy responding to my stories three years ago and saying we should
17:37all hang out you should go play ball with Jacob he needs more friends so rewind three years ago
17:42I remember hearing from Miranda Macy told someone that like I was always in Macy's DMs and Miranda
17:49asked me like were you in her DMs and I was like no Macy was in my DMs I think
17:55I responded to one of
17:55Chase's stories of his daughter it was just his daughter he was not in it let's be clear and I
18:00think it was like an emoji like a heart eye emoji of his daughter or something whatever it wasn't about
18:05you he's freak I remember one weekend Taylor's ex-husband Tate had booked a cabin for like 30 people
18:12so I knew that Macy and Jacob were interested in potentially hanging out so I invited them
18:16I told them there was going to be alcohol didn't know if they were comfortable with that so they
18:20didn't have to come I said okay what so fun I'll see if we can I'm dead I said okay
18:28what so fun
18:29I'll see if we can swing it did I give the wrong impression right away is that why this is
18:35coming up three years later they like twisted things because they heard a certain narrative
18:39about us and I think she took it as we were like putting feelers out to swing to swing yeah
18:46and then
18:46once we like knew that they weren't down they uninvited them so from what I know the whole cabin
18:55saga was Taylor said that it made her kind of uncomfy that Macy and Jacob didn't drink and I think
19:02Macy took it as like oh I'm being uninvited because they are getting the vibe that we're not
19:07swingers that was not the case Macy also like can sniff out toxic men so regardless Macy thinks
19:12every man's toxic and I agree I'm not wrong that's the one thing I have to agree with I do
19:17think we
19:17should go to lunch something with Chase and have a conversation and just I don't see if we can
19:23improve just like what we know I don't want to have a conversation with him I'm good I am shocked
19:28to
19:28see Jacob come back from the villa being like friends with Chase it is no secret that I don't
19:33like Chase I think that he's very demeaning to women I think that he was very demeaning and
19:37disrespectful to my friends and to me online and for that I just don't care for him why why do
19:42we need
19:42him around he's not married to Miranda anymore so why are you here I'm freshly postpartum I don't
19:46have time for this shit I feel you should be supportive and it doesn't mean like you have to like
19:51deny that or like not think it's reality well I'll think very very hard about it okay
20:17I'm having a breast augmentation done again I had it a few years back but I will say just having
20:22a
20:22baby some things I was like I'm sure I'm really up here so I'm like let's just go get a
20:28little
20:28let's say touch up if you will all right let's do it people I'm doing it one to feel good
20:36about
20:36myself but two for the bachelorette I think I'm about to be in a lot of dresses which I normally
20:41if you know me I'm not in dresses so I just kind of want to feel good in them pocket
20:46looks good very thin
20:47capsule like it's very subtle so we're gonna that's why we're converting her so we gotta find her pec
20:53muscle here it's just pretty much I don't even pull I just lay it good job team
21:12Hi say oh my gosh are you okay yeah I think
21:17I know oh what's wrong
21:25what's wrong are you okay yeah I'm just like sad why all the anesthesia meds just kind of
21:32no this is just like for your life do you need me to do anything no it's just like my
21:37life like
21:37situation it freaking sucks like with family you know
21:43I don't know Taylor but it's getting so much better and I think I ignore it a lot
21:47yeah I hope being told it is
21:52I think you've come a long way and I think that it's getting better
21:57my heart hurts like my heart
22:00it's broken
22:03he never loved me ever I don't care what anyone says I'm in more of an acceptance phase but maybe
22:10that's just like obviously a little deeper root
22:13well of course it's hard you thought you were gonna probably end up with Dakota
22:18that's the sad thing you're gonna be okay Taylor
22:24I know
22:30I know
22:42ah
22:44nothing but vitamin D yes to cure that postpartum depression
22:50oh my gosh I love it here we're still a few weeks away from dancing with the stars premiere
22:56we're doing like five hours of dancing a day and it's already super intense
23:01there's nothing like California it's nice yeah it is nice something's in this air I'm like oh there
23:07really is something in this air I've definitely been trying to rebuild my friendship with Whitney and
23:13look past everything that's happened and make this a good experience for both of us so do you think
23:21you'll stay here for a while regardless of dancing with the stars like if I get voted off yeah yeah
23:27I
23:27don't have plans on getting voted off but if I do yeah um we're just gonna stay here are you
23:33nervous about
23:34the reunion do you think Demi's gonna be cordial because I think she's draining everyone I think
23:39she will I think she wants to make things right does she I think it's very interesting that she's reached
23:45out to everyone but me she's going to lunch with Jesse she's reached out to Macy and Michaela and I'm
23:52the
23:52only one she hasn't reached out to which do you Maya do you want her to I just would appreciate
23:57a
23:57genuine apology and I don't feel like I've gotten that from her I hate that there's this animosity
24:04between the two of you and I know she hates my guts I don't think she I think she's always
24:09hated me
24:10I know literally from day one Jen's too Mormon for me like if she's there I don't want to be
24:15there
24:16to me did you ever say that Jen is too Mormon I've never said she's too Mormon I have said
24:23that
24:23you bring it up in conversation a lot did I say that Jen is too Mormon I did and I
24:30stand by that
24:31from day one listen Jen I get that yeah but there has to be a point where we move on
24:35I think that you
24:37guys are both can be right and I think that's the problem is both of your feelings are valid but
24:43the problem is is like you it's accepting it yeah it's like you guys both can't accept that
24:49Jen you accepted that apology the kumbaya you said that you were going to work on moving on and bringing
24:55it up again it's just going to put mom talk a whole step back so I'm starting to feel a
25:00little bit
25:01worried about what's going to happen at the reunion I trust vibes over words yeah and there's never been
25:08a feeling of true sincerity on her end I've never felt that I also think that so much has happened
25:15in mom talk the past few years I just want it to be a safe place for everyone and to
25:21be honest I
25:21don't feel like it's a safe place for me when Demi is there
25:32I thought I knew I went the other way couldn't see the truth couldn't see your mistake why should
25:42I keep it I keep it I keep it I keep it I keep it I keep it I keep
25:44it I keep it I keep it
25:46we're gonna get wasted oh day drinking hello
25:53what's up guys
25:54how are you how are you
25:58how's everything been going it's been great
26:01the reunion's coming up and I genuinely don't know what's going to happen and I feel
26:05like I need to talk to the girls about Demi
26:07She's not being the same person off-camera that she is on,
26:11so if they feel that energy from her, hopefully they'll speak up.
26:14Are you guys nervous for the reunion?
26:16No.
26:17Really?
26:18I just feel like reunions always inevitably bring things up.
26:20They definitely have to search it up.
26:21I'm about you are, because, like, Demi and stuff.
26:23Yeah, I'm a little nervous.
26:24I'm more so nervous now because we did a session with Gabby,
26:28and it was the weirdest thing, you guys.
26:30Off-camera, we'd had discussions about, like,
26:31she kind of admitted that she leaned into the Marciano stuff too much.
26:34It looked really bad, and she shouldn't have done it.
26:37Whoa, whoa, whoa, she admitted?
26:38Kind of like she did in Italy when she was like,
26:40I played into it too much because on camera,
26:42she doubles down, but behind the scenes, she did admit that.
26:45Right.
26:45So we finally get to a place where we do start talking about the Marciano of it all,
26:49and she, like, completely plays victim again
26:52and is like, he did this and this, and I'm like,
26:56okay, like, it's just so different from, like,
26:58the conversations had with her off-camera.
27:00So Gabby has read Demi alone before,
27:02and she has picked up on patterns Demi has in her past,
27:05so she looks at Demi, and she's like,
27:07Demi, there's patterns you have,
27:09and I'm trying to help you out of those patterns.
27:10And Demi was like, what patterns?
27:12So she was like, you know, the stuff we've talked about,
27:14and Demi's like, like, what? You can say it.
27:15And so Gabby finally goes, you're emotional cheating.
27:19This Marciano thing,
27:20the pattern that I'm feeling may be emotional cheating.
27:24And Demi goes, oh, yeah, you're right.
27:28And she goes, I have had a past of emotional cheating.
27:30There's been multiple situations in the past
27:32where it was that, like,
27:33I felt like I was developing feelings.
27:36But not with Marciano.
27:38Everyone else but him.
27:40In this situation, it was not that.
27:41I wasn't even physically attracted to him.
27:43And I'm like, we were so close.
27:46We were so close.
27:48Demi's very good at manipulating.
27:52She's very good at talking.
27:54But I was the pathological liar.
27:56Exactly.
27:57But that's what they do, right?
28:00But after the guy's going on the trip to London,
28:04and now hearing this from Jesse
28:06just shows that I've been right this whole time.
28:08I think it's because, like, he's so gross
28:10that she, like, doesn't hurt ego.
28:12Yeah.
28:12But you did that.
28:14It was just so disingenuine
28:15from, like, the Demi I had seen
28:18trying to mend all these fences and, like, get back.
28:20But it's not genuine.
28:21That's the thing.
28:22She mends it for her own agenda.
28:25It was just to save her image.
28:26Yeah.
28:26She doesn't care about the relationships here.
28:29I feel like Jesse was trying to give Demi grace
28:32in this situation and kind of give her a second chance.
28:34And yet again, Demi's proving that she can't be trusted
28:37and you can't believe a single thing
28:38that comes out of her mouth.
28:39The crazy part is, to me, is that I'm like,
28:41if you would just be authentic
28:43to what actually happened,
28:45like, the mistakes you've actually made,
28:46it would be so much better for you.
28:49Trust me, it feels so much better.
28:50Yes, you would know.
28:51Well, not to be, like, the mom talk police,
28:53but I do feel like people resonate with us, though,
28:55because we all make mistakes.
28:57Nobody's perfect.
28:57And I feel like we're all kind of open about it.
28:59And I don't feel like Demi is doing that anymore.
29:03I feel like she was.
29:04We all were.
29:05In the beginning, we kind of all lost the plot,
29:07I think, for a second.
29:08We didn't lose the plot.
29:09We lost the foundation.
29:11What do we do?
29:11Because if she's in the group now, like, she's back.
29:13I think we try to see how she operates at the reunion
29:16and how she handles it
29:17and if she chooses to come in and be authentic.
29:20And I think we'll see.
29:21I'm nervous.
29:48It's hard to walk.
29:49I know it is.
29:51I feel like I'm doing Marciano 2.0.
29:53Today, me, Jacob, and Makayla
29:55are going to meet up with Chase.
29:57I am very reluctant to do so.
29:59However, Jacob is trying to get me
30:02to be open-minded to it
30:03because I think maybe it'll help things
30:05feel less contentious for him,
30:06making friends with the guys and whatnot,
30:08and maybe he'll feel more at peace with everything.
30:11What's going on, man?
30:12Oh, what's up?
30:14Good to see you.
30:15And I asked Makayla to come
30:17because whatever issues I'm going to have with Chase,
30:19she will, too.
30:20So I think, like, having her there,
30:22not only is it backup,
30:23like, you might as well two birds, one stone,
30:26be done with it.
30:27Makayla decided to come join us.
30:29Yeah.
30:30If you're trying to clear anything up with the men,
30:33I think it's obviously a job for,
30:35what are we called?
30:35Are we Eminem Incorporated?
30:37It's time to go full FBI on this bitch.
30:40Full FBI.
30:41I think it's what we do best.
30:45Thanks for setting this up, dude.
30:46Yeah.
30:47I appreciate you guys coming.
30:48It's obviously a little awkward because I think...
30:51Because you've talked shit on us online for years?
30:54Yeah.
30:54Without knowing us?
30:55I don't think it's one-sided, but...
30:58I haven't.
31:00I've talked shit offline.
31:01I don't have a podcast about you.
31:03That's different.
31:04Tomato, tomato.
31:06Any animosity that we have
31:07that I've contributed to by way of the podcast,
31:10I do think that was in poor taste.
31:13He was doing it for clicks.
31:15Totally was for clicks.
31:16Like, the whole point of it was to just be a dick
31:18and honestly piss off the people that, like,
31:20we were talking about.
31:21Is that money, Jacob?
31:24I look back on it now and I'm like,
31:26look, I actually think it was stupid.
31:28I said some main things.
31:29Do you guys know Macy?
31:30I think people kind of pity her.
31:32Free mom talk, her thing that got her her followers
31:35was she had a baby daddy who died in a car accident.
31:39I'm not.
31:40I ain't gonna touch this one.
31:42And maybe...
31:42Not we.
31:43You cannot air this.
31:45And...
31:46Bad luck.
31:47Shouldn't have said it.
31:48Super stupid.
31:49Wish I wouldn't have.
31:50So I'm sorry.
31:52I think it's been a long four years
31:54of Macy not liking Chase.
31:55And rightfully so.
31:57But I think there is a good guy in there.
31:59Chase has remorse.
31:59He's taking accountability.
32:00And I think we really did label him
32:02and threw him in this bucket
32:02of this evil dude who's just swinging
32:05and wanting to get other people to swing with him.
32:07Yeah, I think I'm protective over my friends.
32:10Like, well, you're talking shit on Layla,
32:12saying she's bad in bed.
32:13That obviously really hurt her.
32:14Like, she was...
32:14I think she was, like, crying.
32:15And then, like, stuff with Taylor from the past
32:17has made me mad.
32:18Totally.
32:19That's why I've had a harder time with you.
32:21Yeah.
32:21I just wanted to bring up,
32:22because I did hear something.
32:23Is it true that you, at one point,
32:25heard that I was, like, DMing you
32:28in a way that, like, maybe seemed like I was flirting?
32:31Was that an initiation to swing?
32:33It wasn't.
32:34No, I know.
32:35That's what it looks like,
32:35because I remember that specific cabin.
32:39It wasn't just, like, a freaking hedonistic orgy
32:41every time we went to these.
32:42That was, like, twice.
32:44You guys were just drinking parties.
32:46Jacob, whose sign are you on?
32:49We still got the signs.
32:50Me and Macy are trying to be the best people we can.
32:53It's taught in the Book of Mormon.
32:54It's taught in the Bible to show forgiveness.
32:56And I think this is one of those times
32:57where Macy needs to do that
32:59so that mom talk and dad talk can both coexist together
33:01in peace and harmony.
33:03I'm in between, but I did take a few steps back,
33:05because when it comes to our perspective
33:06of this whole thing,
33:07you reaching out to Macy,
33:09and then your wife saying,
33:11oh, wait, Macy's not invited,
33:13and then, like, the swinging stuff coming out.
33:15Yeah.
33:15So we see all those things together,
33:16and we're like, ah, like, totally bad optics.
33:20Well, I feel like you can't help yourself sometimes,
33:23and I'm like, well, I don't like that.
33:24And you were very demeaning
33:25to all the girls online for, like, years.
33:28So you have a perception
33:29is that you don't treat women well.
33:31They're well-documented that I am an idiot.
33:33There's no hiding that.
33:34I will say Chase did take accountability for his actions.
33:37I just hope that Chase continues
33:39to be on a better track
33:42if Jacob's going to be friends with him.
33:44Am I making any headway or not?
33:46It's hard to say.
33:47I mean, I guess it's the behavior in the future.
33:51It's like I can't say.
33:52I hope this is the last time I ever have to say sorry.
33:54I'm very big on timing,
33:56and I feel like Chase is coming into the group
33:58ready to apologize now that cameras are up.
34:00I think if you're actually sorry,
34:02you're going to do it off camera,
34:03and he had years to do it.
34:05His apology clearly isn't genuine.
34:07He wants the clout.
34:08I think that's just a grudge that I'm going to hold.
34:10I'm not going to say mean things about women.
34:12Okay, good.
34:13Very pro-women.
34:15That must be hard for you.
34:16Damn.
34:34Today is the reunion.
34:39Reunions can be very hard
34:41because you're seeing scenes that you haven't seen before.
34:43Maybe you're hearing things
34:45that you've never heard before for the first time.
34:48They can really make every positive thing
34:51just immediately go up in flames.
34:53We've seen it before.
34:54We are supposed to talk about our true feelings,
34:56so I think it is inevitable
34:57that something's going to blow up.
34:59Play nice.
35:00Please, we had to come right up.
35:08Dear Heavenly Father,
35:10we want to thank Thee for the opportunity
35:12we have to come together today.
35:14We pray that we can have the strength
35:16to stand by our own principles
35:18and our own values
35:19as well as listen to those
35:20who may have differing opinions.
35:22And we say these things in the name of Jesus Christ.
35:24Amen.
35:24Amen.
35:24At the end of last season,
35:26MomTalk had a kumbaya.
35:30We wanted to put all the drama behind us.
35:33I don't think everything was resolved there necessarily.
35:36I think there's a lot of underlying issues
35:38that maybe some of them have.
35:40So I will say the reunion definitely is resurfacing.
35:45That, to me, I've seen enough.
35:48Did you see anything happen?
35:50No, I didn't.
35:51Why are you fucking saying a word?
35:53She's made my life a living hell.
35:55You've done nothing.
35:56You bullied me.
35:58How do you feel about your wife
36:00texting the word,
36:01come to another male?
36:02How do you feel about that?
36:03It's just like, oh, here we go again.
36:04What the fuck is wrong with you?
36:06What the actual fuck is wrong with your brain?
36:11There you go, Demi.
36:12Your true colors have come back out.
36:14Her screaming at Jen on stage,
36:16calling her names.
36:17It was like she had a mask on
36:18and it started to slip a little bit
36:20and her anger started showing.
36:21And this is the Demi I know.
36:23So there's so many unanswered questions
36:25that I'm like,
36:25can we just get to the bottom of it?
36:26It's like muddied
36:27because of this stupid fucking asshole
36:30that's lied.
36:31And sorry, but Jen, who's lied.
36:33And put all these things in your head
36:35that never happened.
36:35Okay.
36:36I've been called everything in the book
36:39by Demi,
36:39including being a pathological liar.
36:42And I'm tired of her deflecting.
36:44In reality,
36:44that has been her the whole time.
36:47No one's fucking believing Marciano.
36:49No.
36:49That's the problem.
36:50That's why it's so like hard
36:51because it's like,
36:52okay, yeah,
36:53he's saying this happened
36:55or this didn't happen,
36:55but it doesn't really hold
36:56a whole lot of weight.
36:57I've heard things, Demi,
36:58and I'm not going to believe anything
36:59until I actually see it.
37:00That's fine, Jessie,
37:01but you don't need to be pompous about it.
37:02I'm sorry,
37:03you were just yelling at my friend
37:04and saying the most like
37:05aggressive, cruel things.
37:07Do you know what she's done to me?
37:08She sat there literally
37:09in the same sentence
37:10and said something.
37:12You hate me because I'm sharing the truth.
37:13You hate me because I was the only one
37:14that called you out
37:15when everyone was bowing down to you.
37:17That's why you...
37:18No.
37:18You can't look at yourself in the mirror.
37:20I already have.
37:21What do you think I've done?
37:22You're not doing it.
37:23Clearly you're not.
37:24You're deflecting stuff.
37:24I'm talking about Marciano.
37:26You're still doing it this whole time.
37:28I definitely feel empowered
37:30to call Demi out.
37:31Someone needs to make her accountable
37:33because she's done that
37:34to everyone else in the group
37:35and so I'm going to be that person.
37:38Did you not watch yourself
37:39in season three?
37:39You have to back up your claims.
37:41You look guilty AF.
37:42Oh good, I look guilty.
37:43The fact of the matter is
37:44you don't have proof
37:45of the things you're saying
37:46which makes it a lie
37:47because I lived it
37:49and I know the truth.
37:50Okay, I don't have proof.
37:51So why are you saying it?
37:52Okay.
37:53The world's already seen it.
37:54I don't really have to say anything.
37:56You've seen what?
37:57Just who you are.
37:58A kiss that didn't happen?
37:59Just who you are.
37:59A cuddling up against someone
38:01and googly eyes
38:02that didn't happen?
38:03Who you are.
38:03Your stories don't add up
38:04because you keep changing them.
38:06No, I didn't.
38:07Yes.
38:08You said you were not a victim
38:10and now you're a victim.
38:11I said I do not.
38:11I do not want to do anything
38:13about this, guys.
38:14I am not a victim.
38:15I'm not a victim.
38:16Yes.
38:17And then now you're saying
38:18I'm a victim
38:18so your story has changed.
38:20Yes, that was the response to me
38:21of like cover this up,
38:23shut everyone up.
38:23I don't want to talk about this.
38:26The biggest problem
38:27I think I have with everybody
38:28is the knee-jerk reaction
38:31to Demi saying
38:32that she was a victim
38:33was to not believe her.
38:34You would feel comfortable
38:35sending to another woman
38:37that you're swallowing cum.
38:39I'm not wired like you, bud.
38:41You should rewire yourself.
38:43Oh, yeah.
38:43That's disturbing.
38:44Okay.
38:45All right, little guy.
38:46Holy shit.
38:48Brett is an old grandpa
38:49that needs to get sent
38:50to the old folks' home.
38:51We were in London
38:52last week with Marciano.
38:53He stared us straight in the eyes
38:55and told us the truth
38:56of everything,
38:57of Jesse,
38:58of him and Jesse,
38:59of him and Demi.
38:59He still claims this day
39:02on camera
39:02that he kissed Demi.
39:05Marciano said that
39:06Demi was sitting in a hot tub
39:08with him alone
39:08or they were out talking
39:09for like the first
39:10three hours of the day.
39:12I've seen every ounce
39:14of the footage.
39:15So I think when the women
39:16are doubting her,
39:20I think they've got
39:21very good reason.
39:22From our perspective,
39:23can you see why we think
39:24the things we do?
39:25Because it's hard
39:25to understand the story.
39:27So if you have
39:27a different story,
39:28I'm open to hearing it.
39:29I know the truth.
39:31Can you tell us?
39:32And that matters.
39:33Can we agree that she was
39:33like flirting
39:34and having long conversations
39:35and like building
39:36a relationship with a guy
39:38like she just met?
39:39She wasn't building
39:39a relationship with him.
39:40She talked about
39:41your guys' marriage,
39:42didn't she?
39:43Yeah.
39:43I mean, she was talking to him.
39:46I'll let her explain
39:47all the nuances around it.
39:48I understand.
39:49It's the Lululand, dude.
39:50You guys live
39:51in a different universe.
39:53I had no idea
39:54that pathological lying
39:56was contagious,
39:57but I guess it is.
39:58I don't even know
39:59why you're here.
40:00Just walk away.
40:01Everyone's being nice to you.
40:03People just talk shit
40:04behind your back
40:04because you're
40:05a shitty person.
40:06Hey, the feeling's mutual,
40:07dipshit.
40:08Just so you know.
40:08Good.
40:09And it's so hard
40:09to take you seriously
40:10with your little munchkin voice.
40:11Oh, nice, bro.
40:12You're a fake guy.
40:13I think that's a little steep.
40:15And I don't think
40:15anything good
40:16is going to come
40:16from talking like that.
40:20If you heard about this
40:21and you heard that
40:22from Marciano
40:22was going to come on to
40:23podcast and then his show
40:26and air out Jesse
40:27and what happened there,
40:29I'm just confused
40:29why wouldn't you go to Jesse?
40:30My immediate reaction was,
40:32I don't fucking care
40:33what's happened
40:34between me and Jesse.
40:35I am putting up
40:36a white flag
40:37and I'm finding a way
40:38to contact her
40:39because you had me
40:39blocked on everything.
40:40But you didn't.
40:40No, I didn't.
40:41You could have gotten through me.
40:42And Marciano said,
40:43don't you fucking dare.
40:44So then I got scared again
40:45and I was like,
40:46shit,
40:46this is a trauma response
40:48and it's so stupid,
40:49but it really was
40:50as simple as me
40:51not wanting to be
40:52viewed as a victim.
40:53Like, period.
40:54I mean,
40:54I don't want to take away
40:55from the ass grab
40:56because obviously
40:57in no way is that okay.
40:59Which, by the way,
40:59it was not just like
41:00an ass grab.
41:01I was in short shorts,
41:02he grabbed.
41:03This is going to go
41:03circles though
41:04for round and round
41:05and round and round
41:06and round
41:06and we're never going
41:07to come to a conclusion.
41:07I think at this point too,
41:09everybody needs to be okay
41:10with the fact that
41:11we're never going
41:11to come to a conclusion
41:12because I can sit here
41:13and say,
41:14if that truly happened to you,
41:16I'm really sorry for that.
41:18All of us in MomTalk
41:19where it's like,
41:19we want obviously
41:20to believe you.
41:20We want to like
41:21see eye to eye
41:22but like nothing adds up
41:24and it just doesn't make sense
41:25and so I do feel for Demi
41:26because it's like,
41:27yeah,
41:27you're in a situation
41:28where all these voices
41:29are coming at you
41:30but she has to expect it
41:31if she's going to keep
41:32defending it over
41:33and over and over.
41:34I think she wants
41:34to prove herself so bad
41:36but in turn,
41:37I feel like it only
41:37makes her look more guilty.
41:38I didn't do
41:40what he did to me
41:41and I didn't ask for that
41:42and I didn't deserve that.
41:43Right, right.
41:44However,
41:44moving forward,
41:45like shit Demi,
41:46like you probably
41:47should have been
41:48more careful
41:49and been more cautious
41:50and that sucks
41:51especially when you've
41:51been in that situation
41:53and it like
41:54brings up old stuff
41:55like then you start
41:57really blaming yourself
41:58for like what they do.
41:59At this point,
42:00like it's more painful
42:02to not be believed
42:03than to say
42:04you're enough
42:04to go over it
42:05over and over
42:06and over
42:07and feel the pain
42:08of past things
42:09than to just say
42:10fuck yeah,
42:11we kissed,
42:12fuck yeah,
42:12this happened.
42:13I'd rather something
42:14fucking happened
42:15at this point
42:16because this sucks
42:17way worse
42:18and like every time
42:19I talk,
42:20you're digging yourself
42:21out of a hole,
42:21you're doing this.
42:23I'd rather fucking
42:24something happened
42:25at this point
42:25because it's excruciating.
42:28I think that
42:30the lack of accountability,
42:32the lack of transparency,
42:33the lack of sensitivity
42:34on Demi's end
42:36has made it
42:36very difficult
42:37for all of us
42:38to give the grace
42:40that I think
42:40that she believes
42:42she is owed
42:43but I think
42:44all of us girls
42:44as a whole
42:45would have been
42:46a lot more open
42:47had we had
42:49that transparency
42:49from the beginning.
42:52Don't feel like
42:52you have to go out there.
42:53No, I feel like
42:54I have to for me.
42:55Okay, for you
42:56then let's fucking do it.
42:57Let's do it.
42:58I want you to really
42:59feel like
43:00you're up to it.
43:01Every part of me
43:02wants to run
43:02and I'm like
43:03no, you're gonna stay
43:05like you deserve
43:06to be here
43:06and like
43:07you're not gonna
43:08let them win.
43:10She's smart.
43:10She's calculated.
43:11She knew what the fuck
43:12she was doing
43:13and I'm sorry
43:14but I won't be friends
43:15with her anymore.
43:15Like I've been seeing
43:16this behavior
43:17for a long time
43:17and I'm done.
43:36Thank you so much
43:38for being here.
43:39Oh my God.
43:41After filming
43:41the reunion
43:42all day yesterday
43:42I am still in Utah
43:43and today's my first
43:45meet and greet
43:46for Act As Campaign.
43:47I am the face
43:48of their core collection.
43:49Okay, ready?
43:51One, two, three, cheese.
43:53Hey cutie,
43:53you come up here in front.
43:54And right after
43:55we're having
43:55an influencer dinner
43:56with influencers in Utah
43:58and all of Mom Talk
43:59there to support me.
44:01Are you going
44:01to Whitney's event tonight?
44:02Yeah, I said I would.
44:04Can you be supportive?
44:06I said that I would go too.
44:08Are you?
44:08Yeah.
44:09Okay, well I'm surprised
44:10you're going to an event
44:11for Whitney.
44:12I get pretty close.
44:12Just kidding.
44:13Oh, true.
44:14But I feel like
44:15we had a good moment
44:16yesterday just after everything.
44:18I think trauma dumping
44:19really just bonds people.
44:20People, yeah.
44:21How does it feel
44:22hearing Jay say
44:24not having intimacy
44:25is an issue for him?
44:26It's like I feel guilty
44:27that I can't show up for him
44:29when he's so amazing to me.
44:30Whitney,
44:31how does that make you feel?
44:32It's just a horrible thing
44:34that I think anyone
44:34has to go through
44:37being sexually abused.
44:39I feel like it's just
44:40confusing still with her.
44:42She's very confusing to me.
44:43Yeah.
44:44No, I get that.
44:44Because she still
44:45doesn't get it.
44:46Like yesterday I could tell
44:47you still don't get it.
44:48I mean like I don't know
44:48if she ever will though
44:49and it's at the point
44:50where you kind of
44:50like that's Whitney.
44:51It's hard.
44:52You can be this or that
44:54You are a different brain
44:56Magnetic superfly
44:58You're who they want to be
45:00It's the strangest things
45:02Can make you fall in love
45:04I think you're just like me
45:05I think you look like fun
45:07You look like fun
45:09I think you look like fun
45:13I think you're just like me
45:14I like you
45:16Hi!
45:18Hi!
45:19Gosh.
45:20Stop, stop.
45:21Spin?
45:21Yes.
45:22I can't spend too much
45:23or I might flash someone's
45:24say look at me.
45:25You look so nice.
45:26Thank you guys so much.
45:29Everything's just been like
45:30perfect.
45:31Like I'm so grateful.
45:33Yeah.
45:33You look stunning.
45:34See how tonight goes.
45:35Yeah.
45:36Yeah.
45:36It will be good.
45:37Good.
45:38We're manifesting good.
45:39Okay.
45:40The reunion was literally yesterday
45:42so I'm sure everyone is still
45:43feeling those heightened emotions
45:45right now.
45:45So them taking time
45:47out of their day
45:48to come to this event
45:49that's in support of me
45:51it means a lot to me.
45:52It just reminds me more than ever
45:54how important these friendships are.
46:00I'm still processing
46:02everything that happened
46:03yesterday at the reunion
46:04but I'm choosing to stay here
46:07to support Whitney
46:07even if it means
46:09running into Domegan.
46:20Hi!
46:22How are you?
46:24How are you feeling
46:25after today?
46:26So tired.
46:27I know.
46:27So gasped.
46:28Like my body
46:29felt exhausted.
46:29No my body's so tired.
46:31I'm curious like
46:32what your thoughts are on it.
46:33It was a shit show.
46:35Yeah that's how I felt
46:36about it with Domean
46:37like it is what it is.
46:38I'm like.
46:38I felt for so many people
46:40during that reunion
46:41but yeah no she's not.
46:43It's probably the worst
46:44I've ever seen her.
46:45Yeah.
46:45I'm sorry did you try to tell me
46:47that I couldn't own it.
46:48I've run this thing like
46:49I want to see her.
46:51Thank you so much for coming.
46:54Yeah of course.
46:54She's going to show up.
46:55Yesterday was insane.
46:56Stop.
46:57Of course they're all coming.
46:58Congrats.
47:02How are you?
47:03I'm good.
47:04How are you?
47:05Yesterday was like heavy.
47:06How are you feeling?
47:06I felt like it was a very good
47:07closer.
47:08Like a closer.
47:09Good.
47:09Wait that's actually really good.
47:10Like I think I would have
47:11like normally been like
47:12very emotional.
47:13I think I was just like
47:14this is bullshit.
47:14This is done.
47:15Good.
47:16Good.
47:17I know.
47:17It was really happy.
47:18I crashed out for two days
47:19had the reunion and I'm good.
47:20Last night Taylor and Dakota
47:21got very heated.
47:22Please Taylor
47:23for the love of God
47:25stay away from this man.
47:26Keep going.
47:27Go ahead with your lies.
47:27Lies.
47:28I had this perception
47:30when I first met you
47:30like red flag, red flag.
47:32I do not like you.
47:33I can't accept anything
47:35that comes out of your mouth
47:36because it's all bullshit dude.
47:37She's about to go
47:38to the bachelorette
47:39and I'm hopeful
47:40that she can you know
47:41put her brain on right
47:42but we all know
47:43she has the biggest
47:44weak spot for that man.
47:45How is it for you?
47:47Um I feel like I left
47:48feeling like a little frustrated
47:49because I feel like
47:50we didn't even get to like
47:51talk about a lot of things
47:52and there was some things
47:53I wanted to like say.
47:54Like what?
47:55Well she stood to me.
47:56She's not even here.
47:57What do you mean
47:58she's not here?
47:59She's not coming.
48:02Isn't this Whitney's thing?
48:05Well that's what we're
48:06talking about
48:06because I'm like
48:06it's hypocritical
48:07considering how much shit
48:08Whitney got for not
48:09going to Macy's thing.
48:10But she just said last night
48:11I'll see you tomorrow
48:11you're coming right?
48:12and I was like yeah
48:12I heard she wasn't coming.
48:15She told Whitney
48:16she's not doing well
48:17mentally right now
48:18she's like crashing out.
48:22That's her
48:23it's just her best friend.
48:25I will say
48:26I feel like
48:26these events
48:27are kind of like
48:28what MomTalk
48:29is here for
48:30each other
48:31is to support
48:31each other
48:32at these events
48:32and I feel like
48:33when one
48:34gets to like
48:35hide when they want
48:36it's not right
48:37it's not okay
48:38it's not how you work
48:39with other people
48:39as a team player
48:40and I'm like girl
48:42you're not helping
48:43yourself at all.
48:58Has anyone talked to me
49:00since the reunion?
49:00Not since the reunion.
49:02This is so sick.
49:05It's good to see you.
49:06Hi.
49:08Time to go.
49:10They're quite literally
49:11dancing on
49:12Dancing with the Stars.
49:14Wait why did they
49:15let me in it
49:15and she quit the show?
49:16Okay wait question
49:17are you going to tell me
49:18like why you're not
49:18filming yet anymore?
49:21Hello.
49:22Hello.
49:23Taylor has a guy
49:24on his way over.
49:26Holy shit you're tall.
49:27Hey what up
49:28Dorigo.
49:29That's my bachelorette.
49:31My heart is racing.
49:32I feel like I'm going to
49:33get in a fight tonight
49:33or something.
49:43Too deep.
49:45Casting it shadow
49:47in each corner
49:49I'm over
49:51what a Glen
49:52baby
49:53Oh, what's the point? Wait, then I'm going down anyway
49:58I'm in too deep, my love
50:03I'm in too deep, my love