The Rivalry Red V Blue 2013

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00:00:22From the day you're born, pretty much, you're on a side.

00:00:24You're Louisville or you're Kentucky, you're red or you're blue.

00:00:27I'm a Cardinal fan and she's the other.

00:00:29An other?

00:00:30I'm a Cats fan.

00:00:31Why I gotta be an other?

00:00:32It's deeper than basketball.

00:00:34It's Lexington, Louisville.

00:00:36We can tell you everything about every game between the two schools for the last 25 years.

00:00:42This is bragging rights.

00:00:44This is U-K over U-of-L.

00:00:46Red versus blue.

00:00:48Red!

00:00:49Red!

00:00:51I mean, it's blue versus red.

00:00:53And I don't care to tell you, I'm a blue guy.

00:00:55Dude, North Carolina, Butler, Xavier, your rivalry has nothing on it.

00:01:00This is what we live for.

00:01:02We Butch!

00:01:04Do you?

00:01:06Butch!

00:01:14Do you?

00:01:17Are you, Soch Music?

00:01:20Do you?

00:01:21Do you?

00:01:22Do you?

00:01:24Do you?

00:01:26Do you?

00:01:27Do you?

00:01:30Do you?

00:01:31Do you, Do you remember?

00:01:56Everybody knows me as Boone, I saw I couldn't hurt him when I was about 16 years old.

00:02:02And I just opened my barbershop six months ago in April.

00:02:08Red and black, that's Louisville's colors. I mean, our college stands for it. I mean, everywhere you go, you see

00:02:14it.

00:02:15You know, and anybody who's from Louisville always represents it, even if they're somewhere else. You got Tom Cruise, heck

00:02:20of a Louisville fan.

00:02:22Can I finish naming the fans? Can I finish naming the productive people in society who are Louisville fans who

00:02:27came from Louisville and are diehard Louisville fans?

00:02:30All my family is UOVL. But actually, I started a lot in Kentucky maybe about 14, 15 years ago when

00:02:38my mom died.

00:02:38In the midst of all that, she showed them I liked them. I like them, she would say. If she

00:02:45can like them and take all that flack, then I can stand in this city and wear this UOK sweatshirt

00:02:53proudly.

00:02:53And that's why the red? And that's why we wear the red and we're proud of it. And we love

00:02:58our bird. That's our state bird.

00:03:00A Kentucky bird. Y'all bird been caged for the last 26, 27 years.

00:03:05Okay, but what color is Kentucky state bird? We're a wildcat running loose.

00:03:09How long have I been a barber? 10 years. Best move I ever made.

00:03:14Right now, we're five and a half. One Kentucky barber, and he's not too loud with it.

00:03:21The barber shop in which I just left, you know, they are diehard Louisville fans. And, you know, I'm boisterous.

00:03:29That's why I think so different about Louisville and Kentucky fans versus the rest of the fans in college basketball.

00:03:37We're fanatics. We're crazy. We go crazy over this.

00:03:42Pantsville's in the eastern tip of Kentucky, about 30 miles from the West Virginia border.

00:03:47Very seldom you find a piece of red in the area, and when you do, somebody's going to get harassed

00:03:55pretty good.

00:03:56It's 99% U.K.

00:03:58Of course, I don't live in Louisville, and I've read some things where people talk about one guy.

00:04:03He lived on a block, and, you know, they put out their flags in the fall, and he put out

00:04:07a Kentucky flag, and they'd be six Louisville flags, and he was one Kentucky flag.

00:04:10Well, at least he still had it.

00:04:12Yeah, that's true. They didn't steal it, did they? That's a very good point, yeah.

00:04:15If you drove by my house or do drive by, my Louisville flag is flying, and I had it up

00:04:21all season, football and basketball.

00:04:24Final Four, Sunday morning, I got up to go outside. I live between two churches, and someone had liberated my

00:04:31Louisville flags.

00:04:35I just got a hunch it had to be a U.K. fan. What do you think?

00:04:38Do you think that maybe somebody might have forgotten to buy a toilet paper last week?

00:04:41No.

00:04:42I actually had a guy come in and wanted me to frame the picture out of the newspaper of Christian

00:04:48Laker making the shot.

00:04:49Oh, that's a tough one.

00:04:50And I told him no.

00:04:53You don't need money that bad.

00:04:55I don't. I don't need money that bad. That's right.

00:04:57Well, you know, I was our hometown boy that was trying to block that shot, John Pelton.

00:05:00Yeah, I know. Bless his heart.

00:05:04High school basketball has always been big, especially up here in the mountains.

00:05:08You know, basketball is a way of life in the state of Kentucky.

00:05:11It's like horses and bourbon.

00:05:14We've had three play for the University of Kentucky.

00:05:16John Pelphrey, he was Mr. Basketball in the state of Kentucky.

00:05:19Todd Tackett, and then in 2008, Landon Sloan signed with the University of Kentucky.

00:05:24As a matter of fact, he's on my staff now.

00:05:25I played at the University of Kentucky in the 2008-2009 season under Coach Billy Gillespie.

00:05:32Every kid in Eastern Kentucky wants to put on that uniform,

00:05:35and it was a great honor for me to be able to do that.

00:05:38I told you I was going to make you a player, and I'm going to be tough on your ass,

00:05:42but you've got to make that.

00:05:43There's no difference in coaching the player.

00:05:46It's always a joy to coach them, but it's a prestige thing with a kid that plays for you

00:05:51to sign with the University of Kentucky.

00:06:03Up in the Cumberland Mountains of old Kentucky, there's a little village.

00:06:07The only way to reach the village is to turn off the main highway several miles away

00:06:12and cut down up through and across hills, valleys, cliffs, and streams.

00:06:18Kentucky's always been a very poor state in many ways, educationally, economically,

00:06:23and the state hasn't had a lot to be proud of.

00:06:26Basketball's vital to Kentucky because there are enough social, educational, economic drawbacks here

00:06:33that there has to be something to rally people around.

00:06:37You could go in any barber shop. You could go in any drug store.

00:06:40Every time you sat down, you'd hear them talk about Kentucky basketball.

00:06:44Well, basketball's important to Kentucky because this is what we have.

00:06:47This is what we've been bred to do from Adolph Rupp times.

00:06:50Adolph Rupp came here in 1930, and he built the best basketball program in the country,

00:06:56and that gave everybody in the state something to be proud of,

00:07:01something they could say that we're the best, along with Thurbert Racing

00:07:04and the Kentucky Derby and Bourbon Whiskey. Here's something we're the best at.

00:07:08Coach Rupp at Kentucky, he made basketball a priority at the state school here,

00:07:16and consequently I think it just kind of caught on.

00:07:19Small rural communities had very little to do.

00:07:25Church and school was the main source of entertainment and involvement.

00:07:30Many of them were too small to support football teams because of the numbers required,

00:07:37but about any school could have a basketball team.

00:07:41It's a cheap sport. All it takes is a goal.

00:07:45Sometimes the basket, you can hang it on the end of a barn.

00:07:48You can put some wire up there as a net, or you can put twine up there.

00:07:52You're ready to play.

00:08:02The University of Kentucky was pressured by every state school to add them to the schedule.

00:08:10Coach Rupp and the university adopted an unwritten policy not to play any in-state school.

00:08:17At that time, Adolph Rupp, he didn't want to play anyone in his own state.

00:08:23He didn't want to give them the recognition.

00:08:25He felt like it would hurt their recruiting and help other people's recruitings.

00:08:30He had developed the team as a nationally known team

00:08:34by playing national competition with teams like St. John's and Holy Cross, St. Louis.

00:08:43So the policy was developed to maintain that national presence.

00:08:49I think in those years, the University of Kentucky regarded itself as the University of Kentucky.

00:08:55You have to remember, the University of Louisville was a metro city university.

00:08:59It was owned by the people of Louisville, but it was not in the state system.

00:09:03It was not funded with state dollars, and it did not get into the state system until the late 60s,

00:09:09actually 1968 legislature.

00:09:11Coach Rupp understood clearly his position of preeminence throughout the state,

00:09:16and frankly, the other state universities, including Louisville,

00:09:20had never really proved that they belonged on the same level as Kentucky.

00:09:26Everyone had an opinion of Rupp, and he was sort of revered to state,

00:09:29but outside the border, there were a lot of people who took shots at him.

00:09:34Some people even went so far as to call him a racist, which he wasn't.

00:09:38Think about the fact that Wes Unsold almost came here, and Butch Beard almost came here.

00:09:45They ended up going to UofL. Why? Because there was a feeling that Coach Rupp was racist.

00:09:51Yet, in the early 50s, St. John's and Solly Walker, who was an African-American, played in the UKIT,

00:10:00and played an intersectional game against Kentucky, and Coach Rupp went to the Phoenix Hotel

00:10:04and said that they would never get another business from the University of Kentucky

00:10:08if they didn't accept African-American.

00:10:09People know the story about Texas Western and them being the first program

00:10:14to win a national championship with five black stars.

00:10:16Most people don't know that the second program to go to a Final Four with five black stars

00:10:20was Louisville in 1975.

00:10:23Louisville had been the first program south of the Mason-Dixon line to integrate.

00:10:28I think if you just look at the demographics of the fan bases,

00:10:31Louisville much more of an African-American percentage of fans, I think, than Kentucky,

00:10:35and that just goes to the demographics of the state.

00:10:37Kentucky's total population is 10% of African-American,

00:10:42and of that 10%, 80% live in the Louisville area.

00:10:46I think that really heightened the differences and the tensions for a long time.

00:10:51Like I said, I think it's gotten a lot better all the way around.

00:10:54It was kind of like the blacks cheered for UOVL and whites cheered for UK.

00:10:57Sounds kind of weird, funny, that's how it kind of was.

00:11:00UK fans called Louisville the blackbirds for a long time.

00:11:04And if you go to message boards enough, UK message boards, you'll still see it come up every now and

00:11:09then.

00:11:09There was a racial element of it 40 years ago.

00:11:13I think, you know, and a lot of Kentucky fans, we wish that wasn't the case, but it's just true.

00:11:18I think one of the reasons why Louisville fans get mad at me, I guess, is how can you be

00:11:25a Kentucky fan?

00:11:27You understand the racism that comes from Kentucky?

00:11:30But they want to know in certain parts of the city where am I repping a UK jersey and I'm

00:11:37a black guy.

00:11:37Are there still black people today that are like, I'm not rooting for Kentucky because of back then?

00:11:42Absolutely.

00:11:43Absolutely.

00:11:44And I would submit that maybe some of them you'll get to see tomorrow.

00:11:48Tomorrow, the boom's coming back.

00:11:50Okay.

00:11:51A bunch of UK fans.

00:11:54Okay.

00:11:55What is it going to be like?

00:11:57It's going to be hell and earth.

00:11:58How long has it been since you're down there at the barbershop?

00:12:00I've been down there once or twice, but I left back in March.

00:12:05We want to see Louisville do good, but when they compete and compare against Kentucky,

00:12:09it is our duty to put them in their rightful place.

00:12:12We have the most championships, the most Final Four.

00:12:15We represent this state, and they just need to fall in line with that.

00:12:20The champs are here.

00:12:22Y'all hate to see us coming.

00:12:23What it do, man?

00:12:24How are you, man?

00:12:26You got UK on one side.

00:12:28You got UofL on the other side.

00:12:29What's up with that?

00:12:30We don't know like that.

00:12:31Hey, I'm a team player.

00:12:33I'm a team player.

00:12:34They both represent me.

00:12:36Card country, baby.

00:12:37Card country.

00:12:39UofK ain't nothing this year.

00:12:41They ain't got John Wall, nobody Davis, nobody Darren Lowe.

00:12:46They sloppy.

00:12:47How many championships have you won?

00:12:49Part time.

00:12:50Now you're going to walk away from that answer.

00:12:51How many championships have you won?

00:12:52A doozy?

00:12:53You won two.

00:12:53A doozy?

00:12:55When's the last time you won your last one?

00:12:56What difference does that make?

00:12:57Oh, it makes a big difference.

00:12:58Come on, man.

00:13:00We like the seventh winning.

00:13:03Time out for a minute.

00:13:04Come on, don't do that.

00:13:05Time out for a minute.

00:13:05Don't do that.

00:13:06Tag.

00:13:07Get it.

00:13:08Get it.

00:13:08When's the last time you won?

00:13:10Come on, man.

00:13:10Don't do that.

00:13:11You was probably won and I was probably won.

00:13:13Ah, man.

00:13:14That's how you do it.

00:13:15We got so many championships.

00:13:16Ah, man.

00:13:17We got so many championships I can tag team and hand them out for.

00:13:21Isn't that the basis?

00:13:23Isn't that the basis?

00:13:24Isn't that the basis of why you're not a Kentucky fan?

00:13:25Because, because Louisville fans say that Kentucky was so racist that you would never be Kentucky.

00:13:31Isn't that a lie?

00:13:32Isn't that a lie?

00:13:32And now, and now you're telling me that Calipari has put 10 African Americans in the pros?

00:13:38Isn't that a turnaround?

00:13:38Kentucky didn't do it.

00:13:39America, we need your fanship.

00:13:41Kentucky didn't do it.

00:13:42That's Republican.

00:13:43You're a Republican.

00:13:43He's a Republican.

00:13:44He's a Republican.

00:13:45Man, this ain't about basketball.

00:13:47It's about the voting.

00:13:49You know, he's, you know, he don't like Obama.

00:13:53You sweat, man.

00:13:55Yeah, man, got me hyped up.

00:13:56Man, I had to come over and get some iron.

00:14:24Good game by Louisville, good game by UK.

00:14:26The rest were horrible.

00:14:28They cheated.

00:14:29Baby, why are we cheating?

00:14:30That's a conspiracy.

00:14:32That's bullshit that you would even say it.

00:14:34Excuse my French, but you know we just whooped your ass literally.

00:14:37That's a conspiracy.

00:14:38It's a conspiracy.

00:14:39And that's all I got to say about the situation.

00:14:40Every time we come up here, it's always something.

00:14:42Ah!

00:14:42So now we cheat.

00:14:43They never respect the red.

00:14:44Okay, we'll bring it home.

00:14:45They can bring it to Louisville and we still gonna whoop their ass.

00:14:47They never respect the red.

00:14:48What?

00:14:48Louisville all day.

00:14:49Blue all day.

00:14:50We win something new, some.

00:14:51Best you want today.

00:14:51But we'll see them next year at YUM Center.

00:14:54We'll see them at the YUM Center, baby.

00:14:55It's all good.

00:14:56It's all good.

00:14:57I had a fantastic time.

00:14:58Yeah, they did.

00:14:59It was great.

00:15:00I heard they used to call this corrupt arena, but I got a different feel today.

00:15:17The weird thing about this game coming up is that Kentucky has won a national title.

00:15:22So you're coming off four wins in a row over Louisville.

00:15:26So the weirdest thing that's really happened is that Kentucky fans are sort of okay with

00:15:31maybe being the underdog in this game.

00:15:33If you lose it, you lose it.

00:15:34They sort of checked out a tad bit.

00:15:36In the final four last year, if it was must win for Kentucky, this is must win for Louisville.

00:15:40It's as big as the regular season game between the two has been maybe ever.

00:15:44It's a big game today.

00:15:46Biggest rivalry in the country, so we're excited.

00:15:48I mean, obviously you see it's 20 degrees outside and we're gonna be rocking downtown today.

00:15:52I mean, it's the biggest day of the year for people to live in the state and obviously

00:15:55the city of Louisville.

00:15:56Yeah, Louisville, Kentucky!

00:15:59Let's kill it!

00:16:01Let's kill it!

00:16:02CBS Sports coverage of the road to the Final Four brings you to the Commonwealth of Kentucky.

00:16:08Louisville is at home in the Yum Center.

00:16:19That was what you expected of them.

00:16:21For Kentucky, they're young and raw.

00:16:23Are they good enough to compete?

00:16:24But for Louisville, expectations and experience, are they good enough to win it all?

00:16:31C-A-R-D-S-O!

00:16:35One more time!

00:16:39C-A-R-D-S-O!

00:16:43Let's go!

00:16:44Let's go!

00:16:45Only 80 miles separates these two.

00:16:48And boy, when you come in here, you better be wearing blue or red.

00:16:51I think they may eject you from the building.

00:16:57Let's go!

00:16:59Why?!

00:17:00Why?!

00:17:01Why?!

00:17:03Why?!

00:17:05Why?!

00:17:06Why?

00:17:08Why?!

00:17:09Why?!

00:17:10Why?!

00:17:10Let's go!

00:17:11Let's go!

00:17:14Good win in traffic!

00:17:16Turns it over!

00:17:17Bahana!

00:17:18Also hands to her!

00:17:20No!

00:17:26A hard-earned victory at that, 80-77.

00:17:37If somebody's going to be honest, I think the 0-4 thing really made a lot of people uncomfortable.

00:17:44The Louisville fan base definitely needed to see Rick beat Kentucky.

00:17:48If you're going to have a rivalry, that means that both sides have to win.

00:17:52Coaches understandably downplay those storylines.

00:17:56These guys are, as I said, very intense competitors and rightfully proud about what they've accomplished.

00:18:03So if you go through a losing streak to a rival, that has to, I would think, eat at the

00:18:10competitor in you.

00:18:11It's a real important game for the fans.

00:18:14For us, we want to beat Kentucky, but not as much as the fans do.

00:18:19I think the culture of Kentucky is mountain-oriented.

00:18:23There's something about the mountains.

00:18:24That's a part of all of us when we relate to being a Kentucky.

00:18:28Louisville has always been like a separate island.

00:18:31I was never west of Lexington in my life.

00:18:34We didn't go to Louisville growing up.

00:18:36For many years, the state high school basketball tournament was rotated between Lexington and Louisville.

00:18:43It always irritated me when you talk to anybody from Jefferson County that they didn't know where any other town

00:18:50in the state was besides Louisville.

00:18:52So I always considered Jefferson County part of Indiana because I just didn't think it was part of Kentucky at

00:18:58all.

00:18:58Louisville is its own state and Kentucky is its own state.

00:19:01You know, then Ohio and Indiana and all of that.

00:19:04I'm from the state of Louisville.

00:19:05There is a huge cultural gap between Kentucky fans and Louisville fans.

00:19:12Here, it's not uncommon for a child to be raised knowing how to shoot a gun, fish, things of that

00:19:18nature.

00:19:19And, you know, there are people in more urban areas at the thoughts of letting a child eight or nine

00:19:25years old target shoot,

00:19:26but that's, you know, that's reprehensible.

00:19:28Kentucky is a farming kind of country kind of state.

00:19:35Louisville is a big city.

00:19:36So you obviously have two different types of personality people-wise.

00:19:40People out in the rest of the state view Louisville the same way that I think a lot of people

00:19:44around the country view New York.

00:19:45There's gang violence everywhere.

00:19:46You know, you can't walk anywhere without being shot.

00:19:48That's how people out in the state look at Louisville, and they don't like it.

00:19:51Out in the state, for some reason, has a problem with Louisville and Jefferson County.

00:19:54And Jefferson County and Louisville has a problem with out in the state.

00:19:57So it's not just UK and UofL.

00:19:58It's the dynamics of the Commonwealth of Kentucky.

00:20:01That game comes down to cultural warfare in the form of a 40-minute basketball game.

00:20:06It's all these differences that Louisville has with the rest of the state coming to a head on a basketball

00:20:10court.

00:20:11Radio was the linchpin to the following that Kentucky built in the state.

00:20:16Back in the early 50s and on through the 60s, there were three or four networks who originated live broadcasts,

00:20:25play-by-play broadcasts of Kentucky games.

00:20:27Two great announcers, Claude Sullivan, who was based in Lexington,

00:20:30K. Wood Ledford, who was based in Louisville.

00:20:33Claude died of cancer in 1967 at a very young age.

00:20:38And that's when the UK Radio Network was formed,

00:20:42with K. Wood Ledford as being the sole voice of the Wildcats.

00:20:46Of course, his voice was on WHAS.

00:20:49And WHAS was the station that you could hear way, way out.

00:20:56K. Wood was the guy who brought the Cats into the homes of a very passionate and loyal fan base.

00:21:05The people up in the mountains, they'd go to a little restaurant in the morning after the game,

00:21:13and they'd all say, did you hear what K. Wood said last night? Oh, boy.

00:21:17When he came on the air, kind of sent a chill down your back, you know.

00:21:22He had that kind of presence.

00:21:24And K. Wood just became so widely beloved around the state,

00:21:28he could have run for governor and won in a landslide.

00:21:31K. Wood was born to be the Kentucky announcer.

00:21:33He was born to be that. Everybody loved K. Wood to death.

00:21:36His last game that he called was that Duke-Kentucky game in 1992.

00:21:42And even though Kentucky didn't win that game, what a great game to go out on.

00:21:49Coach Rupp was the czar of basketball.

00:21:56He won the national championship in 48, 49, 51.

00:22:01And during those years, that kind of success was just unheard of.

00:22:06They were so far ahead of everybody else in the SEC.

00:22:10You know, he was averaging winning all those games by 30 points.

00:22:13That back when Ralph Peart and Kenny Rollins, Alex Rosen, Ralph and Cliff Barker,

00:22:18Wawa Jones, Joe Holland, those were great players.

00:22:21After the war, he was so loaded, he had all Americans sitting on the bench.

00:22:25Really, they didn't even start.

00:22:27They had that many good players.

00:22:28You could have as many as you wanted.

00:22:29In those days, there was no limit.

00:22:31Rupp used to have tryouts for like 80 players.

00:22:35And he'd pick out the best ones he wanted.

00:22:36It was legal.

00:22:37Taking over for Coach Rupp, naturally, there was tremendous pressure.

00:22:43But I had the secure feeling that I had spent seven years in the program.

00:22:51There was nothing that was going to happen that would have surprised me.

00:22:57I can't imagine what it was like for Joe because of having to follow a legend

00:23:02and know what it's like in the broadcasting business when you're following a legend.

00:23:06I didn't have to do that.

00:23:07I was one removed from Kaywood, so that's a good place to be.

00:23:11It's hard following Adolph Rupp.

00:23:13I mean, you know, Adolph was Adolph, and Adolph got credit, wanted credit, reserved credit,

00:23:20and Joe B. was his assistant, so it was a tough job.

00:23:23But he had the respect of the citizens here.

00:23:26No matter what, Coach Hall just kept going forward.

00:23:29And every interview that I ever had with him, any interview anybody ever had with him,

00:23:35he talked continually about the legacy of the program

00:23:38and that his job was to carry it on, his job was to continue to build it, and he did.

00:23:43Winning it in 78 was big, especially when you've got the target on your back.

00:23:47And then the Cats had the target on their back right from the beginning of that year

00:23:53with Kyle Macy coming in, and then to have to beat Arkansas in a tough game in the semifinal

00:24:00and beat Duke to win it, it was really something.

00:24:06I can't imagine many programs where the equipment manager becomes an iconic figure

00:24:13or gains the status that Mr. Wildcat did.

00:24:16He was the last link to Adolph Rupp and Kentucky as the undisputed heavyweight champion of college basketball.

00:24:25Bill Kitely was my mailman when I started my company.

00:24:30He was a four-time employee of the post office department.

00:24:34And then later on, I think he was actually a four-time equipment manager.

00:24:37Bill was the most genuine man I've ever met.

00:24:39The first time I met Bill, probably talked to him for 45 minutes.

00:24:43I felt like I knew him all my life.

00:24:45He made you feel like that.

00:24:47Oh, everybody loves Bill Kitely.

00:24:48He's a sweetheart.

00:24:49He's a fellow who wants to have breakfast with their boys.

00:24:51He was the ultimate fan.

00:24:52He could afford to be more of a fan than K-Wood.

00:24:55K-Wood might be one, but he couldn't say it.

00:24:57He is the eternal optimist who truly did hate Louisville.

00:25:03The biggest thing for Bill was to beat Louisville.

00:25:05That was his thing.

00:25:07He always said that Christmas never really came until you beat Louisville.

00:25:27Early in the development of Louisville's program, they were in the smaller college division,

00:25:34the NAI.

00:25:35In 1944, they hired Peck Hickman, and he got some Navy transfers during World War II.

00:25:41One of them was an All-American at Harvard, of all places, George Hopfuerer.

00:25:45And he began to beat Indiana and Purdue and other good teams.

00:25:48I think the game that really started Louisville before Denny got here was the mid-50s when

00:25:55they won the NIT in New York, Madison Square Garden.

00:25:58The NIT was the top tournament at that time.

00:26:01I think that really put Louisville on the map.

00:26:03I'd first become aware of Denny Crum when I was covering college basketball for Sports

00:26:08Illustrated in the late 60s and early 70s.

00:26:11He was young, charismatic, came from UCLA, was coached by Coach Wooden.

00:26:17And when he got here, he dominated.

00:26:19But when Denny came to town, you went to the Final Four right away in 1972.

00:26:25And that sort of ups the ante right at the outset.

00:26:28Denny, he had a man.

00:26:29He had that John Wooden brain, and he brought the high post offense, which at that time,

00:26:34no three-point shot.

00:26:36That's what made a lot of Denny's team so successful.

00:26:39An organized offense, but yet the players had the freedom to show their individual talents

00:26:46at the same time.

00:26:47Louisville had developed a cast of characters that came to be known as the Doctors of Dunks.

00:26:54They were looking for something so that they could identify themselves and separate them

00:26:59from everyone else.

00:27:01So they developed these Dr. Spocks and things for warm-ups and stuff.

00:27:11I don't know.

00:27:11It was kind of crazy.

00:27:13There was a very soulful presence to that team, and it was very much in stark contrast

00:27:19to what Joe B. Hall had going on at Kentucky.

00:27:22Not as much from a racial standpoint, but just from a very buttoned-down, very serious way

00:27:28of playing basketball and comporting themselves, whereas up the road, Louisville was fun and

00:27:31freewheeling.

00:27:32They won the style war by a lot.

00:27:34The style of play that Louisville had, I think, was appealing to recruits, and that just put

00:27:41that much more pressure on the Kentucky program.

00:27:43And to this day, I think that's the 1980 UofL team that won the NCAA at Indianapolis.

00:27:51It was one of the truly, really great teams.

00:27:5314 seconds left.

00:27:56Denny Crum, who has been eliminated from the Final Four and has two other opportunities by

00:28:01UCLA, and now is only 14 seconds away from that precious first national championship.

00:28:08We had got, you know, Darrell Griffith, who was as good a player all around as most anybody

00:28:14you'll ever find.

00:28:16They called Griffith Dr. Dunkenstein.

00:28:18Dr. Dunkenstein.

00:28:19I've never seen anybody ever be able to dunk the basketball like Darrell Griffith.

00:28:24I just didn't think it got any better than Darrell Griffith, you know what I'm saying?

00:28:27Won the championship, you know, player of the year.

00:28:29When I was a kid and my friends and I would play basketball in the backyard, I was always

00:28:34Darrell Griffith.

00:28:35People like be like, are you trying to be like Jordan?

00:28:37Or do they look like Jordan?

00:28:38You know, when I was coming up, people was like, you're trying to be like Griff.

00:28:41And that's who we emulated when we were kids.

00:28:44You know, it was Darrell Griffith and, you know, Jerry Eves and all those guys, man.

00:28:49They didn't care who scored or who got the credit, and I think if you don't care who gets

00:28:54the credit, why, a lot of good things can happen to your teams.

00:28:59Denny, what's all the excitement?

00:29:00Just another day at the office.

00:29:01Not exactly another day.

00:29:03It's a day of history.

00:29:05Congratulations, team.

00:29:06Nice to that, man.

00:29:06It's what I wanted since I came here.

00:29:08It's not a bad way to finish your career.

00:29:10Not at all.

00:29:11Bryant, I thought Denny Crum's comment was most significant.

00:29:14He says, you can't live in the past.

00:29:17It was our turn this year.

00:29:23In 1948, they had a qualifying tournament for the Olympic team, and Louisville qualified by

00:29:29winning the NAIB.

00:29:31Kentucky won the NCAA and qualified.

00:29:34So Kentucky played Louisville in the first game and beat us like 91 to 57.

00:29:38And, of course, they represented the USA and London and won the Olympic medal.

00:29:42And when they came back, there was a train station downtown Lexington.

00:29:46I'll never forget that.

00:29:47And they took them up and down in Convertible, down Main Street.

00:29:51Well, in 59, they didn't even televise the game.

00:29:53That was probably the worst record that we had in the years that I was at the University of Louisville.

00:29:58I think going into tournament time, we were probably 13 wins and probably 10 losses.

00:30:07It was in Evanston, Illinois, at Northwestern University.

00:30:10So it was on the radio.

00:30:12Louisville was down by 15 in the first half.

00:30:14And Louisville ended up winning, I think it was 76-61.

00:30:17And it was just unreal because Kentucky was number two in the country and Louisville was, you know, not ranked.

00:30:26Well, when I took the Louisville job, I felt like it was important that we play the best schedule we

00:30:33could play.

00:30:34And you want to play the best teams?

00:30:36Well, Kentucky was usually one of the best teams.

00:30:39Then he immediately just couldn't understand why Kentucky and Louisville didn't play.

00:30:45And there was a story in the newspaper about what great recruits Kentucky had.

00:30:49And then he said, well, yeah, they have a great class, but I think have one better.

00:30:53And that really was the first time that anybody had ever questioned Kentucky's superiority in the state.

00:31:00I kind of kept on Kentucky.

00:31:02I chided them in the news about not being willing to play us.

00:31:06Denny was kind of the great villain because he was pushing for this game.

00:31:11And Kentucky doesn't like to be pushed.

00:31:14When Ed Diddle was having some great teams at Western Kentucky,

00:31:17when Peck Hickman was here at the University of Louisville,

00:31:20they kind of accepted things the way they were.

00:31:24And they'd never made any particular big racket about wanting to play Kentucky.

00:31:28It was just a foregone conclusion that Kentucky was on a different level from everybody else.

00:31:34Coach Hall was entrenched in his position that he had inherited really from Coach Rupp,

00:31:39and I think believed in.

00:31:40And so you had two strong forces on either end of the spectrum that both had top five programs.

00:31:48And the pressure from media and fans certainly just continued to grow.

00:31:56Denny Crum goes to the NCAA in 72.

00:32:00Then he goes in 75.

00:32:02Then in 1980, we won the championship.

00:32:05By that time, everybody's saying, well, how come these two teams are never playing?

00:32:08The idea was really catching hold, that Louisville is now at that position

00:32:12where it deserves to be in the same conversation with Kentucky.

00:32:16So I thought, now's the time to write a column that says,

00:32:20okay, it's time for Kentucky to get off its high horse,

00:32:24and it's time to begin a series in both basketball and football.

00:32:29I have to give Billy Reed quite a bit of credit.

00:32:31He was a top writer in the state.

00:32:35Billy Reed had Kentucky ties, but he worked here in Louisville.

00:32:39I don't think the Lexington media was pushing it that much,

00:32:42but it began to roll like a snowball downhill.

00:32:46The Courier-Journal had home delivery in all 120 Kentucky counties.

00:32:50When people around the state got up on Tuesday morning,

00:32:54they knew that Louisville had won the championship,

00:32:56and the first thing that a lot of the Kentucky fans read was my column,

00:33:00and they just went ballistic.

00:33:02There was really a strong anti-response around the state,

00:33:07which was predominantly dominated by Kentucky.

00:33:10Here in Jefferson County, of course, the Louisville fans loved it.

00:33:14We just wanted that game so bad.

00:33:16If we lost, we lost.

00:33:17If we won, we won.

00:33:18But we thought we could win our senior year.

00:33:20We were ranked number one in the country,

00:33:21and we just wanted to line up against them.

00:33:26A lot of people don't remember that in 1975,

00:33:31if Terry Howard, who was a 90-plus percent free throw shooter,

00:33:37hadn't missed the front end of a one-and-one,

00:33:40UofL would have been playing Kentucky

00:33:42in the final championship game and not UCLA.

00:33:45Yeah, the almost game, the biggest almost game of them all, 1975.

00:33:49They had to go to San Diego and play Coach John Wooden.

00:33:53The big feeling was that if Louisville beat UCLA,

00:33:58it could be an all-Kentucky final.

00:34:00Everything was going good.

00:34:01We were up almost the whole game, and it was just a super game.

00:34:05Long looper to Bridgman, drives to the baseline,

00:34:08bounces along the baseline,

00:34:09and put up an end by a button.

00:34:11Hill button.

00:34:12Back to the middle point,

00:34:13and Louisville leads by four, 43-39.

00:34:16And so we're one point up, and it's our ball,

00:34:20and so here it is again.

00:34:23It's in my hands like always, because that's just what we do.

00:34:26That's just what we did.

00:34:28Terry Howard with it.

00:34:29They would rather he be fouled than anybody out there.

00:34:31Coach Wooden was standing up on the sidelines,

00:34:34which he never stood up.

00:34:35He was screaming, which he never screamed,

00:34:37and he was saying, don't foul Howard, don't foul Howard.

00:34:40He had missed the free throw, don't foul Howard.

00:34:42And they fouled Howard, myself.

00:34:4520 seconds to go.

00:34:46One and one.

00:34:47He fires it.

00:34:47It hit the right side of the rim, left side of the rim,

00:34:50and then it bounced out.

00:34:52But now they got the rebound,

00:34:53and they had to hustle down and make the shot.

00:34:56Nine seconds left.

00:34:57Off on the right side.

00:34:58It goes to Johnson.

00:34:59They go into Washington.

00:35:00Up to a jumper at 10.

00:35:01He's got it.

00:35:04UCLA wins it 75-74.

00:35:05We got to the final four, which was, I think,

00:35:10a really good accomplishment,

00:35:12and it kind of catapulted us, you know,

00:35:15into the national scene.

00:35:19In 1982, I've never seen Louisville more excited.

00:35:23Everybody just assumed that Louisville and Kentucky

00:35:26were going to meet in that tournament.

00:35:28Louisville and Kentucky were both sent to a regional

00:35:31down in Nashville, Tennessee,

00:35:32and it looked like a meeting was inevitable.

00:35:35Kentucky was to play Middle Tennessee,

00:35:37and everybody thought,

00:35:38well, all Kentucky's got to do is show up,

00:35:40and they'll beat Middle Tennessee,

00:35:42and they'll be playing Louisville on Saturday.

00:35:44Middle cannot beat Kentucky.

00:35:46Can't do it.

00:35:46No way.

00:35:47Unless Kentucky shoots almost 0%.

00:35:51The telephones are ringing off the hook.

00:35:53People got questions about everything.

00:35:55I get a call, and a man says, Van.

00:35:57Now, I don't know whether this man was a crazy Kentucky fan

00:36:00or a crazy Louisville fan.

00:36:02But he was a crazy fan.

00:36:04He said, Van, I need to ask you a question.

00:36:06I said, yeah, what's that?

00:36:08He said, I'm going to be in Samoa Saturday

00:36:10when Louisville and Kentucky play that game.

00:36:12Can you tell me what channel

00:36:13that game's going to be on in Samoa?

00:36:17I said, man, I don't even know

00:36:19if they have a television station in Samoa.

00:36:21But there was one big problem.

00:36:24The dream game never came off

00:36:25because a little heard-of university

00:36:27called Middle Tennessee beat Kentucky

00:36:29and took the Wildcats' place against UofL.

00:36:31Everybody was just shocked by that.

00:36:34Joe Hall, I think his comment after the game

00:36:37was that Kentucky had lost its electrolytes.

00:36:40But people were really disappointed.

00:36:42I think a lot of people were

00:36:43because they thought that was going to be the year,

00:36:45but they had to wait one more year

00:36:47before they finally got what came to be known

00:36:50as the dream game.

00:36:55The dream game was actually set up by CBS and the NCAA.

00:37:00That's what caused that game to be played.

00:37:02Finally, you had this meeting for the first time in 25 years,

00:37:07both in Knoxville and all over the state of Kentucky.

00:37:11The anticipation was overwhelming.

00:37:14Kentucky by five.

00:37:15Easy.

00:37:16Very easy.

00:37:17No, Louisville by five.

00:37:18Okay.

00:37:19Friend, I'll meet you right here Monday morning.

00:37:22If Kentucky loses to Louisville,

00:37:23are you going to hate Louisville more?

00:37:25No.

00:37:26I think I'm a second favorite team.

00:37:28Still will be.

00:37:30Well, they've got me a hat made up here

00:37:31where on one side it's the Kentucky Wildcats,

00:37:33on the other side it's the UofL Cardinals.

00:37:35So I guess I'll have to wear it one way one half

00:37:38and the other way the other half.

00:37:39Louisville and Kentucky are finally going to play each other.

00:37:42But why the two schools do not play each other

00:37:45on a regularly scheduled basis

00:37:47is a touchy subject, as John Tesh found out.

00:37:49These two schools are so close,

00:37:51and they both have great basketball programs, yet...

00:37:55Cut.

00:37:56Can we dissolve here just a minute?

00:37:58They're afraid of you?

00:38:00Well, did you ask them that?

00:38:02Well, we asked Coach Hall...

00:38:04And he wouldn't give you an answer, would he?

00:38:06Well, he tried to walk out on the interview, actually.

00:38:09Yeah.

00:38:10Well, that's typical.

00:38:11Joe did not paint himself in the best light at that time,

00:38:14and it made Kentucky look weak,

00:38:17and it made them look scared.

00:38:19And then he really had the upper hand going into that game.

00:38:23It was quite a scene, the excitement

00:38:24and the expectation of what was going to happen.

00:38:28You almost kind of catch your breath

00:38:30just to see them warming up on the same court.

00:38:33You felt like you were witnessing history.

00:38:35Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen,

00:38:36and welcome to the University of Tennessee

00:38:39for the championship game

00:38:40of the 1983 NCAA

00:38:44Mid-East Regional Basketball Tournament.

00:38:46If you remember the way that the press box was

00:38:50at Stokely Athletic Center,

00:38:54he walked up on a catwalk and the thing just shook.

00:38:57You were lucky if you walked out of there

00:38:58without a visual impairment of some kind

00:39:01because the blue and the red

00:39:04are down there playing and solid orange everywhere.

00:39:07It was everything that you could possibly expect

00:39:10in a rivalry in sports.

00:39:21The night before, I thought,

00:39:24well, I wonder what it would look like

00:39:25if I took a red coat and cut it in half

00:39:28and then a blue coat and matched them up.

00:39:31John Y. Brown, who was a Kentucky graduate,

00:39:34was the governor of the state of Kentucky,

00:39:36and he wore a sport coat

00:39:39that had blue on this side

00:39:42and down the sleeve

00:39:43and red on one other side down the sleeve,

00:39:48and he sat right at center court.

00:39:50Well, I think the crowd was sort of stunned.

00:39:53You know, the Kentucky fans didn't like it,

00:39:55figuring he was a U.K. alumnus

00:39:57that he should be for them,

00:39:58and, of course, the Louisville fans loved it.

00:40:00He is wearing, as you can see,

00:40:02the split coat, the red and the blue.

00:40:04He sat on the Kentucky side the first half,

00:40:06now on the Louisville side in the second half.

00:40:08Louisville had a habit,

00:40:10that team and a lot of Denny's teams,

00:40:12of struggling in early parts of games

00:40:14to get it all together.

00:40:16They would always fall behind,

00:40:17but by the end of the game,

00:40:19here they'd come,

00:40:20and that's kind of the way that game shaped up.

00:40:23You know, it was a game

00:40:23that Kentucky seemed to have locked up

00:40:26and then let it get away.

00:40:28The tension was so thick,

00:40:30you could cut it with a dull knife.

00:40:3220 seconds.

00:40:34There it is!

00:40:35John blocked it!

00:40:39Kentucky will go...

00:40:40They've got to go for the tie-down!

00:40:42It was nip and tuck the whole way.

00:40:44We jumped ahead by two,

00:40:47and then Masters from their team hit a shot.

00:40:50There goes Dirk.

00:40:51Two, they're going to have to get it out.

00:40:52Faster!

00:40:53It'll kill!

00:40:57Both teams played great basketball,

00:41:00but in the overtime,

00:41:01Louisville was able to get on a roll,

00:41:03and in the overtime,

00:41:04they played just about the finest

00:41:07five minutes or so of basketball

00:41:08you'll ever see a team play.

00:41:10Neither one of these teams

00:41:11have lost in overtime this year.

00:41:13You know, you talk about this being

00:41:14for the championship of the Mideast.

00:41:16I think the key is

00:41:17is that the championship of Kentucky,

00:41:19which will be something

00:41:19they'll talk about much longer.

00:41:21Overtime started,

00:41:22and I think Louisville scored first,

00:41:26and then Kentucky scored,

00:41:28and then the world exploded.

00:41:31Milt and Lancaster just

00:41:34steal, dunk, steal, dunk, steal, dunk,

00:41:36and every steal and every dunk,

00:41:38it got louder and it got louder

00:41:39and it got louder.

00:41:40It was pretty hard

00:41:41because there was so much on the line.

00:41:44You're not just talking about

00:41:45playing Louisville here,

00:41:47you're talking about

00:41:48for the right to go to the Final Four.

00:41:50You gotta give UL credit,

00:41:51they come back and play

00:41:52the heck of a game.

00:41:54Well, who you pulling for now?

00:41:55Houston.

00:41:57I'm very excited.

00:41:58We've been waiting for this day

00:41:59to let UK know

00:42:01that UL's got it all.

00:42:02We whoop those pussycats.

00:42:04Meow, meow!

00:42:06I love it.

00:42:07I love it.

00:42:08How happy are you?

00:42:10Pretty happy.

00:42:11I was for Kentucky,

00:42:12but I'll take this.

00:42:14Are you gonna root

00:42:14for the cards now?

00:42:15You better believe it.

00:42:16Of course, if you're a Louisville fan,

00:42:18we beat them 12 points in overtime,

00:42:20so for you,

00:42:22that's had to be a dream come true.

00:42:25Probably not a dream game

00:42:26for Kentucky fans,

00:42:28but if you wanted to see

00:42:29both teams play,

00:42:30it was probably a dream game

00:42:32for everyone.

00:42:42To have all that buildup

00:42:43for everybody's lifetime

00:42:45and then they go into that game

00:42:46and to have it actually be

00:42:48as good as what everybody

00:42:50wanted it to be,

00:42:51that's phenomenal.

00:42:52It really did start the rivalry.

00:42:55That started it.

00:42:56Then all of our cheerleaders

00:42:58out there got together,

00:43:00their cheerleaders

00:43:01and our cheerleaders,

00:43:02and they intertwined arm

00:43:03and they sang

00:43:04my old Kentucky home.

00:43:05It was sort of like

00:43:06the Israelis

00:43:07and the Palestinians

00:43:08coming together.

00:43:14It was certainly

00:43:15a very, very emotional day

00:43:18for a lot of people

00:43:19in Kentucky

00:43:20who were invested heavily

00:43:21in basketball.

00:43:23U.S.

00:43:24U.S.

00:43:25Me, that number one,

00:43:26U.S.

00:43:27U.S.

00:43:28U.S.

00:43:30U.S.

00:43:31After the game

00:43:32in Knoxville,

00:43:34Kentucky didn't right away

00:43:35say that we were

00:43:36going to play Louisville.

00:43:37There were pros

00:43:38and cons about

00:43:38whether you should

00:43:39or should not play them.

00:43:40A lot of people

00:43:40felt like I did

00:43:41and what are you

00:43:41going to accomplish by it?

00:43:43And a lot of people

00:43:43felt like, why not?

00:43:44They're 80 miles

00:43:45up the road

00:43:46and they're in the top

00:43:4710 all the time.

00:43:48Why don't you play

00:43:49each other?

00:43:49As usual,

00:43:50money stepped in.

00:43:51One of my goals

00:43:52when I took office

00:43:53was to have U.S.

00:43:55K. play UofL.

00:43:56A week before

00:43:57I left office,

00:43:57I remember,

00:43:58oh my gosh,

00:43:59you know,

00:44:00haven't done anything

00:44:00on that.

00:44:01The chairman of the board

00:44:02of U.K.

00:44:03happened to be

00:44:04in my cabinet,

00:44:05Bill Sturgill.

00:44:05And so I called him

00:44:06the night before

00:44:07their board meeting

00:44:08and I said,

00:44:08now Bill,

00:44:09you promised me

00:44:10to get this game on

00:44:11that needs to get on.

00:44:12And he said,

00:44:13well, Knox Singletary

00:44:14doesn't want it.

00:44:14And I said,

00:44:15now Bill,

00:44:15I got the votes

00:44:16on that board.

00:44:16If you need me,

00:44:17come over there

00:44:18and vote.

00:44:19And he said,

00:44:20okay, Governor,

00:44:21I'll get it done.

00:44:21And he got it done.

00:44:22And I think

00:44:22it's a great rivalry.

00:44:24Finally,

00:44:24in the summer of 1983,

00:44:26they agreed to play

00:44:27a home-and-home series.

00:44:29Coach Drumm

00:44:30had pushed hard for it.

00:44:31He wanted it

00:44:32and he had it.

00:44:34And as it turned out,

00:44:35it wasn't going

00:44:35to be easy for him.

00:44:38It wasn't going

00:44:38to be easy at all.

00:44:39First 10 years

00:44:40of the series,

00:44:41it pretty much

00:44:41went Kentucky's way.

00:44:45You can strike up

00:44:47a UofL-UK

00:44:49conversation

00:44:49or argument,

00:44:50depending on

00:44:51which way you want

00:44:52to go,

00:44:53any day of the week,

00:44:54of any month,

00:44:56any time.

00:44:57N-I-G!

00:44:59N-I-G!

00:45:00N-I-G!

00:45:02N-I-G!

00:45:03Read your game!

00:45:06Read your game!

00:45:07That game

00:45:08means so much.

00:45:09That game,

00:45:10sometimes people,

00:45:11you know,

00:45:11U-K fans

00:45:12or UofL fans,

00:45:13all they really worry

00:45:14about is winning

00:45:14that one game

00:45:15and the rest

00:45:16of the season,

00:45:17you know,

00:45:17whatever happens,

00:45:18happens.

00:45:18But that one game

00:45:19is so important.

00:45:21Ask a fan,

00:45:21what do you want more,

00:45:22to beat U-K

00:45:23or to win

00:45:23a national championship?

00:45:24You've got some fans

00:45:25that will say,

00:45:25beat U-K

00:45:26and go 2-and-30

00:45:28in the entire season.

00:45:29So it's really

00:45:30like that out here.

00:45:31That game in December

00:45:32or that game

00:45:33in early January,

00:45:34you lose it,

00:45:34you're hearing about it

00:45:35for an entire year.

00:45:36It doesn't matter

00:45:37what your team does

00:45:37the rest of the year.

00:45:38We won the national

00:45:39championship in 98,

00:45:40but Louisville beat us

00:45:41by three at our place.

00:45:43And, you know,

00:45:43I would come home

00:45:44and I would hear

00:45:45the, you know,

00:45:46number one in the nation,

00:45:47number two in the state

00:45:48from people.

00:45:49You know,

00:45:49that was a little annoying.

00:45:51Whether Kentucky

00:45:52wins or lose,

00:45:53I'll get a family member,

00:45:55they'll call me,

00:45:56you know,

00:45:56and what about Louisville?

00:45:57What about Louisville?

00:45:59This and that.

00:45:59And then,

00:46:00oh my God,

00:46:00the pandemonium

00:46:01in my family

00:46:02for Louisville.

00:46:03And of course,

00:46:04what's phenomenal

00:46:04about it is,

00:46:05you know,

00:46:06if we're not both

00:46:07top 10 teams,

00:46:08it's unusual.

00:46:08They're always very good.

00:46:09We're always very good.

00:46:10Yeah,

00:46:11there'll be ups and downs

00:46:11every now and then,

00:46:12not very often,

00:46:13but it really doesn't matter

00:46:15when they play.

00:46:16Even if the Wildcats

00:46:16should win by 15,

00:46:18they're not.

00:46:18Even if we're supposed

00:46:19to win by 15,

00:46:19they're not.

00:46:20It's always a good game.

00:46:22Everybody looks forward

00:46:22to it around here

00:46:23and it really means

00:46:24something special

00:46:25around here.

00:46:25If grown men

00:46:27didn't fear

00:46:29what others would say

00:46:30about shedding tears

00:46:31and stuff like that,

00:46:32some of these guys

00:46:33would cry after I lost.

00:46:34You know what I'm saying?

00:46:34I feel that way sometimes.

00:46:36And that was it.

00:46:40The last time

00:46:42I ever rooted

00:46:43for the dirty birds.

00:46:49That's the way it is.

00:46:50You have to understand

00:46:51the fan mentality.

00:46:54And what the fan mentality is,

00:46:57it's the number one rule.

00:47:00It's not you love your team.

00:47:03It's you hate your rival.

00:47:06The constant, I guess,

00:47:10my team's better

00:47:11than your team.

00:47:12I mean, it is omnipresent

00:47:13and my school has more class

00:47:15than your school

00:47:16and my school does things

00:47:17the right way

00:47:17and yours doesn't

00:47:18and, you know,

00:47:19we're funnier

00:47:19and we're smarter

00:47:20and our degrees are better

00:47:21and everything.

00:47:22I mean, it just permeates

00:47:24kind of every level.

00:47:25Of all the places

00:47:26I've been

00:47:27and all the rivalries

00:47:29that I've seen

00:47:31and I coached 41 years,

00:47:35I can tell you

00:47:35there's none more intense

00:47:37than the Louisville-Kentucky rivalry.

00:47:41North Carolina-Duke,

00:47:42the rivalry is based,

00:47:43I think,

00:47:44on the status

00:47:45of the programs

00:47:45and the competitiveness

00:47:47of the games.

00:47:48There's not as much passion there.

00:47:49If Duke loses to North Carolina

00:47:51in that first game in January,

00:47:52you know,

00:47:52they go home,

00:47:52they study,

00:47:53they do whatever they do

00:47:54if you're a Duke fan

00:47:55and, you know,

00:47:55they say,

00:47:56we'll get them next time

00:47:57and if we don't get them next time,

00:47:58we might get them

00:47:58in the ACC tournament.

00:48:00Kentucky Louisville fans,

00:48:00you get one chance.

00:48:01I think both fans

00:48:02are as passionate

00:48:04about their programs

00:48:05as any place in the United States.

00:48:07These are fans

00:48:08who would bleed

00:48:09for their teams

00:48:11and do bleed

00:48:12for their teams.

00:48:13There's nothing

00:48:14that infuses passion

00:48:16than Kentucky versus Louisville.

00:48:19Blue versus red.

00:48:21Red versus blue.

00:48:22There's nothing,

00:48:23any place in this country,

00:48:25that evokes

00:48:26that kind of passion and feeling.

00:48:28I didn't think

00:48:28it would be that crazy

00:48:29like as far as basketball

00:48:30because, you know,

00:48:31New York,

00:48:32the Mecca,

00:48:32but it's up there.

00:48:34Like as far as the UK

00:48:35and Louisville

00:48:36and then you got Indiana

00:48:37across the bridge.

00:48:39Then you even got

00:48:40the West Kentucky fans,

00:48:41diehard fans of those guys

00:48:43and Bellarmine,

00:48:44it's nice.

00:48:45It means nothing to me.

00:48:46I don't care about the rivalries.

00:48:47Sometimes I get upset

00:48:48with the players

00:48:49because I don't see

00:48:50the players playing

00:48:51as hard as I want them

00:48:52to play when they play Kentucky,

00:48:53but they don't understand

00:48:56the rivalry

00:48:57that the fans have.

00:48:59Have you ever heard

00:48:59the history of it?

00:49:00Has anyone ever taught you it?

00:49:02No.

00:49:02I don't really want to know

00:49:04because I see people

00:49:05like going crazy.

00:49:07They just come in

00:49:08to play another game

00:49:08of ball to them.

00:49:10Basketball is just huge here.

00:49:11You know,

00:49:11we don't have a pro team here

00:49:12and so everybody just loves

00:49:13Louisville and Kentucky basketball.

00:49:15So, you know,

00:49:16this is great.

00:49:17I mean,

00:49:17it's fun for the fans.

00:49:19You know,

00:49:19this is what you come

00:49:19to college for

00:49:20and it's a great experience

00:49:22out here.

00:49:23What kind of fans

00:49:24is going to be Louisville?

00:49:25Throw up your L.

00:49:27Throw up your L, Avery.

00:49:28Throw them up.

00:49:30Come on.

00:49:32No, you got to use

00:49:33two fingers.

00:49:34Yeah, like that.

00:49:35Put them together.

00:49:36Bing.

00:49:38Put them together.

00:49:40Bing.

00:49:41Yeah.

00:49:41Say Louisville.

00:49:43Say Louisville.

00:49:45Yeah.

00:49:46Yeah, y'all heard him.

00:49:52I've always lived

00:49:53in Eastern Kentucky

00:49:54and I've always been

00:49:54from the country.

00:49:57Eastern Kentucky's

00:49:58always been a poor,

00:49:59apoverished area.

00:50:01Kentucky basketball's

00:50:02something I think

00:50:02you can be proud of

00:50:03even though

00:50:04things may be tough

00:50:05at home

00:50:06and, you know,

00:50:07the crops may be

00:50:08not doing very good

00:50:08or work may be

00:50:09going bad or whatever

00:50:10and you think

00:50:11everything's against you,

00:50:12well, you can watch

00:50:12Kentucky basketball

00:50:13and see winners

00:50:14and everything's okay.

00:50:16I started this business

00:50:17in the summer of 1985.

00:50:20I guess that makes it

00:50:2027 years I've been

00:50:21doing this.

00:50:23I've been coming to work

00:50:25five or six days a week,

00:50:26sometimes seven days a week

00:50:27ever since then

00:50:29and I really like

00:50:30the fact that I get

00:50:31to frame a lot

00:50:32of Kentucky stuff

00:50:33because I enjoy that.

00:50:35Put that on there

00:50:35along with that

00:50:36and I think that

00:50:36looks really nice.

00:50:37That looks really good.

00:50:38Sounds good.

00:50:39Thanks a lot.

00:50:39Thanks, sir.

00:50:39Appreciate it.

00:50:40And I should have this

00:50:41talking about a week

00:50:42or so gone.

00:50:43Okay.

00:50:44Christmas time

00:50:44is my business this season.

00:50:46But I make sure

00:50:47if I have to

00:50:48I go home

00:50:49watch the games

00:50:50and come back to work.

00:50:51I will watch the games

00:50:52if at all possible.

00:50:54I'd say

00:50:54nothing in particular

00:50:55made me a Kentucky fan.

00:50:57I think I just was

00:50:58ever since I can

00:50:59always remember

00:50:59because my dad

00:51:00was a Kentucky fan.

00:51:01Elliot Brindley

00:51:0246 years old

00:51:03been a Louisville fan

00:51:04since 1975.

00:51:06I was actually

00:51:06a Hoosier by birth.

00:51:08Cardinal by the grace

00:51:09of God

00:51:09is so they say.

00:51:10Cardinal country

00:51:12who's on there?

00:51:13Felton Spencer,

00:51:14Purvis Ellison,

00:51:16Kenny Payne,

00:51:17Will Ologist.

00:51:18Yeah, man.

00:51:18This stuff's ancient.

00:51:21I don't think

00:51:22I ever wore this shirt

00:51:23because it's a large

00:51:24and it would probably

00:51:24swallow me now.

00:51:26So I know

00:51:26it would have

00:51:27swallowed me at 15.

00:51:28The original

00:51:29Dream Game

00:51:29ticket stub.

00:51:31Yeah, it's in

00:51:32pretty good shape

00:51:33I'd say.

00:51:34Really the biggest

00:51:35memory I have

00:51:36is the first

00:51:37Dream Game

00:51:37when I was about

00:51:3814 years old.

00:51:40I believe I was

00:51:41in late middle school

00:51:43or early high school.

00:51:45Miss Jones,

00:51:45do you have

00:51:45Elliot Brindley

00:51:46in your class?

00:51:47And I thought,

00:51:47oh my God,

00:51:48what did I do now?

00:51:49Can you send him

00:51:49to the office, please?

00:51:50And I thought,

00:51:50man, this is not

00:51:51going to end well.

00:51:52So I go up to the office

00:51:53and my dad's

00:51:54standing there.

00:51:55Bad news.

00:51:56He's got his

00:51:57trench coat on.

00:51:57I'm like,

00:51:58oh my God,

00:51:59they called him up here.

00:52:00I'm in huge trouble.

00:52:01And he pulls

00:52:02the tickets out.

00:52:03Went back to class,

00:52:04got my books,

00:52:05got in a car

00:52:05with my mother,

00:52:08my father,

00:52:08another couple.

00:52:10And we drove

00:52:11all the way

00:52:12to Knoxville.

00:52:13And that was just,

00:52:14that game was

00:52:16unbelievable.

00:52:17Unbelievable game.

00:52:18I'll never forget it,

00:52:19ever.

00:52:20That's one of

00:52:22the defining moments

00:52:23of my sports history.

00:52:27My perception

00:52:29is that Louisville fans

00:52:31are just nasty people.

00:52:32They're the people

00:52:33that don't have

00:52:35anything constructive

00:52:37to say about anything.

00:52:38They're just looking

00:52:39to tear something down.

00:52:40First and foremost,

00:52:41I'm a Louisville fan.

00:52:42Second off,

00:52:44I'm a Kentucky hater.

00:52:46I don't care

00:52:47what game they play,

00:52:48I want them to lose.

00:52:49Kentucky fans ignore

00:52:51Louisville,

00:52:52and that upsets

00:52:52the Louisville fans.

00:52:54They just,

00:52:55they just don't

00:52:56consider Louisville

00:52:57to be worthy

00:52:58to be in their

00:52:59thought process.

00:53:00There are people,

00:53:01they have UK hubcaps.

00:53:03Their commode seat

00:53:05is UK.

00:53:06Towels,

00:53:06they dry off with

00:53:07is UK.

00:53:09They wear blue and white

00:53:10clothes everywhere.

00:53:11They dress up

00:53:11like old cheerleaders.

00:53:13Both teams,

00:53:14both sides.

00:53:15You look at my closet,

00:53:16you're going to see

00:53:17Louisville, Louisville,

00:53:18Louisville,

00:53:18Kentucky hater,

00:53:19Kentucky hater,

00:53:20Louisville, Louisville,

00:53:21Louisville,

00:53:22Kentucky hater,

00:53:22Louisville, Louisville.

00:53:23All right,

00:53:24that's all I'll address.

00:53:25Also, in relations

00:53:25to Louisville,

00:53:27it's very important

00:53:28for Kentucky fans

00:53:28to say,

00:53:29we are better than you.

00:53:30Kentucky fans

00:53:31don't know anything

00:53:32but Kentucky basketball.

00:53:33Yeah,

00:53:33they might know

00:53:34their players

00:53:34and they're real

00:53:35passionate about

00:53:35their team,

00:53:36but a lot of times

00:53:37you get to asking

00:53:38them some questions

00:53:38about other,

00:53:39even SEC teams

00:53:41or, you know,

00:53:42what's going on

00:53:43with the rest

00:53:43of the country

00:53:44and stuff,

00:53:44and they really,

00:53:45you know,

00:53:46not that knowledgeable

00:53:46to me.

00:53:47From my experiences,

00:53:49UofL fans

00:53:50are not completely

00:53:53diehard,

00:53:54sold-to-the-bone fans.

00:53:56Being a Kentucky fan

00:53:57is a central part

00:53:59of who they are

00:54:00for a lot of them,

00:54:01not all of them,

00:54:01but for a lot of them.

00:54:02It's more a major part

00:54:03of what they do.

00:54:04It's very comparable

00:54:05to religion.

00:54:06I think people have

00:54:07that one friend

00:54:08or those two friends

00:54:08who are so rational

00:54:10in every other aspect

00:54:11of life,

00:54:11but when religion

00:54:12comes into play,

00:54:13they just,

00:54:14they can't think

00:54:15or speak or act

00:54:16or hear or think rationally,

00:54:17and that's the way

00:54:18U.K. fans are.

00:54:19Our fervor

00:54:20is described

00:54:21as almost religious,

00:54:22and the arena itself,

00:54:25or up arena,

00:54:25is often described

00:54:26as a secular cathedral

00:54:28or temple

00:54:29or shrine,

00:54:30but I think

00:54:30what that says

00:54:31is that there's

00:54:32a spirit associated

00:54:33with it

00:54:34that is uplifting,

00:54:35and that's

00:54:36what's so important.

00:54:39When Eddie left,

00:54:41it was probably

00:54:42the lowest ebb

00:54:43of Kentucky basketball

00:54:44in history.

00:54:45Emory Air

00:54:46Freight envelope broke

00:54:47open on a conveyor belt

00:54:49in Los Angeles full of cash

00:54:52addressed from the U.K.

00:54:54basketball office

00:54:55to the father of U.K.

00:54:56player Chris Mills.

00:54:58I remember when I heard

00:55:00about it,

00:55:00I think this was

00:55:01on a Saturday night,

00:55:03I could immediately

00:55:04see the future unfolding,

00:55:07and it wasn't

00:55:07a very pleasant future

00:55:09to contemplate.

00:55:11I was working

00:55:12for Sports Illustrated,

00:55:13as I said earlier,

00:55:14and we did a cover story

00:55:16called Kentucky Shame.

00:55:18It was kind of like

00:55:18a family legacy

00:55:19falling apart.

00:55:21When Rick Pitino

00:55:22came in

00:55:22as the Kentucky coach,

00:55:24I was convinced

00:55:25it would just take years

00:55:26to get Kentucky

00:55:28back to the top.

00:55:29When he came to U.K.,

00:55:29the program was,

00:55:31it's as close

00:55:32to the death penalty

00:55:33as anybody's had

00:55:34without getting it.

00:55:34Rick always loves

00:55:36to be an underdog

00:55:37and work himself up.

00:55:38And there was

00:55:39no better place

00:55:40to come

00:55:41than Kentucky

00:55:42because it had a history.

00:55:43What he did

00:55:44in his first season,

00:55:46they went 14-14,

00:55:48Cadewood Ledford

00:55:48said it was a miracle.

00:55:50He said he should be

00:55:50coach of the year

00:55:51for what he did.

00:55:52To this day,

00:55:53I don't think

00:55:54there's another coach

00:55:55anyplace

00:55:57that was available then

00:55:59that could have done

00:56:00what Rick Pitino

00:56:02did with this program.

00:56:03To be honest with you,

00:56:04I wasn't a Rick fan.

00:56:06I wasn't a Rick fan

00:56:07because he's

00:56:08an Ivy League man,

00:56:09you know,

00:56:10nice tie,

00:56:11nice dress.

00:56:12I didn't think

00:56:12he'd make it

00:56:13to Kentucky.

00:56:13He was a Yankee,

00:56:14first of all.

00:56:15He didn't hardly

00:56:15understand him.

00:56:18But once he started

00:56:19winning,

00:56:19we learned

00:56:20to appreciate him.

00:56:21He had committed

00:56:23to a philosophy,

00:56:24and that is

00:56:25that they were going

00:56:26to shoot threes

00:56:26like crazy,

00:56:27and they were going

00:56:28to press like crazy,

00:56:29and they were going

00:56:30to live and die

00:56:30with that.

00:56:31Don't wait

00:56:32and let them

00:56:32come to your body.

00:56:34Rotate up to the man

00:56:35and rotate down

00:56:36on the inside.

00:56:37All right,

00:56:37call this one.

00:56:42Kentucky fans

00:56:42adored him.

00:56:43They loved his

00:56:44sort of New York

00:56:45attitude

00:56:46and, you know,

00:56:47his swagger,

00:56:48and then those

00:56:50early Kentucky teams

00:56:52he had are the most

00:56:52beloved in the history

00:56:54of the school.

00:56:54The Unforgettables,

00:56:55of course,

00:56:55was the team

00:56:56that lost to Duke

00:56:57with the Leitner shot.

00:56:59They're called

00:57:00the Unforgettables

00:57:01because when Coach

00:57:03Patino came in

00:57:04as the head coach,

00:57:05these four guys,

00:57:07they were not the,

00:57:08probably the most

00:57:09athletic group,

00:57:11but they had the hearts,

00:57:15and they're the ones

00:57:16that suck it out,

00:57:17and they'll always

00:57:20be remembered.

00:57:21And the team

00:57:21that he put together

00:57:22in 1996

00:57:24is probably the best team

00:57:26that I've ever seen.

00:57:27They were so deep.

00:57:28Their second five

00:57:30was like a top 15 team

00:57:31as well.

00:57:32He actually could have

00:57:33won another title there,

00:57:34but he had one kid there,

00:57:35Anderson,

00:57:35I think is his name,

00:57:37he didn't play

00:57:38because of the need.

00:57:39In 1996,

00:57:40we won a championship.

00:57:4197, my senior year,

00:57:42I got hurt.

00:57:43We went to the championship

00:57:43game and lost in overtime.

00:57:45We won it again in 1998.

00:57:46We had a dynasty

00:57:47in a modern era

00:57:48that was unheard of.

00:57:50God, if I would have played,

00:57:51maybe we would have won that,

00:57:52but I think we had

00:57:53a dynasty of a team

00:57:54that people could

00:57:55just look at and be like,

00:57:56this team is just unbelievable.

00:57:57That's why we were ranked

00:57:58number one or two

00:57:59in any polls

00:58:00if the best college team

00:58:01put together.

00:58:02So I was just proud

00:58:03to be a part of that moment

00:58:04in college basketball.

00:58:07Louisville went through

00:58:08a little soft spot there

00:58:09six, seven years,

00:58:11and I wanted to come back

00:58:12to the recruiters they had.

00:58:13Danny's recruiting

00:58:14fell off some

00:58:15after he lost Wade Houston

00:58:17as a coach.

00:58:18Wade went to Tennessee.

00:58:20We would have probably won

00:58:21another couple of

00:58:22national championships

00:58:23with Allen Houston,

00:58:24there's no doubt about it.

00:58:25This is a program

00:58:26that was the preeminent team

00:58:28in the 1980s,

00:58:29and then all of a sudden

00:58:30you go to the 1990s

00:58:30where you have guys

00:58:31who can't make a jump shot,

00:58:33you're losing 21 games

00:58:34in the regular season.

00:58:35Louisville fans were tired

00:58:35of losing,

00:58:36and they wanted a guy

00:58:37who could win,

00:58:37and where better

00:58:39are you going to go

00:58:39than Rick Pitino?

00:58:40He was weighing between,

00:58:43I think, Michigan

00:58:45and Louisville

00:58:46at that time,

00:58:47and the rumor was

00:58:49that he was going to take

00:58:50the Michigan job,

00:58:52which I preferred.

00:58:53I remember the day,

00:58:54it was in March of 2001,

00:58:57and I was in Philadelphia

00:59:00with Kentucky,

00:59:01which was getting ready

00:59:01to play in the Sweet 16.

00:59:02I said,

00:59:03Rick's going to Louisville,

00:59:04they're going to announce it today.

00:59:06I don't believe it.

00:59:07I don't believe it.

00:59:08They literally would not believe it

00:59:09until they saw it.

00:59:10Dean Smith wouldn't coach Duke,

00:59:12Mike Krzyzewski

00:59:13wouldn't coach Carolina,

00:59:15clearly Rick Pitino

00:59:16would not coach Louisville,

00:59:17and then he did.

00:59:18And so all that love

00:59:20that was there for him

00:59:21turned into hate.

00:59:23I think a lot of people

00:59:26felt like that he was

00:59:27Benedict Arnold.

00:59:28What gets forgotten,

00:59:29which is that he went

00:59:32to the Celtics in between.

00:59:35He did not leave

00:59:36to take the Louisville job.

00:59:38He left to take

00:59:39the Boston Celtics job.

00:59:41If he had gone from Kentucky

00:59:42to Louisville,

00:59:44that would have been

00:59:45such an insult.

00:59:46But that's not what he did.

00:59:48It was ridiculous.

00:59:49I mean, it was to think

00:59:51about Rick Pitino

00:59:52standing on the other side

00:59:54after he won so many titles

00:59:55and after you hated him

00:59:57so much down the road

00:59:58that he was actually

01:00:00going to be coaching your team.

01:00:01I mean, it was weird.

01:00:02He was the figure

01:00:04in Kentucky basketball,

01:00:05the guy who took them

01:00:06from the depths of probation,

01:00:07of the Sports Illustrated cover

01:00:09with Kentucky Shame

01:00:09and really brought them

01:00:10back to national prominence.

01:00:12And then he leaves,

01:00:12and UK fans are thinking,

01:00:14it sucks, but it's okay.

01:00:15And then when he comes back,

01:00:16he comes to your biggest rival.

01:00:18It's a storyline

01:00:19that's still surreal

01:00:2011 years after it sort of began.

01:00:24At the end of Tubby Smith's time

01:00:27and Billy Gillespie's time,

01:00:29Kentucky was not getting

01:00:30the very best players,

01:00:32and Kentucky wants

01:00:33the very best players.

01:00:35And Calipari did that.

01:00:37He restored that superiority

01:00:40in manpower.

01:00:42Cal is a P.T. Barnum,

01:00:44a Pied Piper,

01:00:45and a hell of a basketball coach

01:00:47all rolled into one.

01:00:49The one thing with Calipari,

01:00:50he's always on message.

01:00:51And the message is always

01:00:52to recruits.

01:00:53That is the way he thinks

01:00:55and operates all the time.

01:00:56Alex Portros,

01:00:57can't believe it.

01:00:589 out of 10,

01:00:5922 points,

01:01:005 rebounds,

01:01:014 for 5 from the line,

01:01:02and I'm all over him.

01:01:05Yeah, because I want him

01:01:06to be the best version of him,

01:01:08not just play good.

01:01:09Everything he says

01:01:10is calculated for effect,

01:01:12and everything he says

01:01:13is calculated

01:01:13to get the next bunch

01:01:15of recruits listening

01:01:15and saying,

01:01:16I want to play for that guy.

01:01:17He doesn't listen to rap,

01:01:18he doesn't know

01:01:19who Drake or Jay-Z is,

01:01:21but he gets them there

01:01:22because he knows

01:01:22that the players do.

01:01:23I think Kentucky fans

01:01:24always thought that

01:01:25celebrities were in the stands,

01:01:26but now there actually are.

01:01:28Well, Ashley Judd.

01:01:30She's from Lexington,

01:01:31and I don't think

01:01:32she technically

01:01:32is a star anymore.

01:01:33The results speak for themselves.

01:01:35He's done what he's telling

01:01:36these kids he's going to do.

01:01:37More Kentucky players

01:01:38have been drafted

01:01:39in the first round

01:01:39of the NBA draft

01:01:40over the past three years

01:01:41than any other program

01:01:42he's ever done.

01:01:42He's a master,

01:01:43master motivator.

01:01:45He runs his practices

01:01:46like Coach Rupp used to.

01:01:47There's no assistant coaches

01:01:49on the floor.

01:01:49He stands in the middle

01:01:50of the floor,

01:01:51and he is the coach.

01:01:53I thought you hire

01:01:54a guy from Memphis,

01:01:55they just ripped

01:01:56a Final Four from them.

01:01:57I thought it was risky.

01:01:58World Wide West

01:01:59is one of his buddies.

01:02:01I don't know.

01:02:02He's either brilliant

01:02:03or he's a crook.

01:02:04There's this assumption

01:02:05that Cal,

01:02:06and fans,

01:02:07especially Louisville fans,

01:02:09are hoping that's true.

01:02:10I mean, they want it.

01:02:11They're sitting there

01:02:12like waiting

01:02:13for the thing to drop.

01:02:14I mean, look,

01:02:14if you've got

01:02:16national celebrities,

01:02:17movie stars,

01:02:18when Kentucky played

01:02:19Duke last week,

01:02:20Lil Wayne is sitting

01:02:21courtside,

01:02:22cheering on Kentucky,

01:02:23why does he need

01:02:24to give a few thousand

01:02:25dollars to get some kid

01:02:27to come to school?

01:02:27He doesn't need to.

01:02:29Coach Calipari

01:02:29is just another amazing fit

01:02:33for the University of Kentucky,

01:02:36which throughout the history,

01:02:37we haven't had

01:02:38that many coaches.

01:02:40He just has it all

01:02:41because coaching Kentucky

01:02:43basketball,

01:02:44it's not only grabbing

01:02:45your clipboard

01:02:46and being in a practice building

01:02:49with the guys.

01:02:51It's the community part,

01:02:52which is sometimes

01:02:54even much larger

01:02:56than the performers

01:02:57on the basketball.

01:02:58When Rick left Lexington,

01:03:00it was a divorce.

01:03:02It's okay.

01:03:04And Lexington

01:03:04didn't replace the husband,

01:03:06all right?

01:03:07They tried,

01:03:08they dated around,

01:03:10Tubby,

01:03:10it didn't work out.

01:03:12It wasn't Tubby's fault,

01:03:13it wasn't their fault,

01:03:14it just didn't work out.

01:03:15Billy G was a disaster,

01:03:17it didn't work out.

01:03:18They finally replaced Rick.

01:03:20That was the biggest thing,

01:03:21is that I think

01:03:22a lot of them

01:03:22have let the Rick thing go

01:03:24because they got remarried.

01:03:25Now they're sort of

01:03:26emotionally happy,

01:03:27so now they're okay

01:03:29with things.

01:03:30Rick's down at Louisville,

01:03:31that's fine,

01:03:31that's okay,

01:03:32I'm happy for you.

01:03:33Louisville,

01:03:33I'm happy for you.

01:03:35We're remarried.

01:03:40Sometimes I think

01:03:41great coaches

01:03:43and athletes

01:03:44and teams

01:03:44need a great opponent

01:03:46to bring out

01:03:47the best in them.

01:03:47When Rick Pitino

01:03:48came in,

01:03:49he brought out

01:03:50the best in Denny Crum

01:03:52in a couple of those games.

01:03:53And when John Calipari

01:03:55came in,

01:03:56that was a whole new challenge

01:03:57for Rick Pitino.

01:03:59Cal infuriated Rick

01:04:00and re-energized Rick,

01:04:01both.

01:04:02Nobody could have written

01:04:02a book with this kind of intrigue.

01:04:05It's impossible to believe

01:04:05that that Rick Pitino

01:04:06is the head coach

01:04:07of the University of Louisville,

01:04:08and now the head coach

01:04:09at UK is one of the guys

01:04:10that he grew up being

01:04:11one of the biggest rivals with.

01:04:12It's just,

01:04:13there's so many different

01:04:14storylines to play.

01:04:15It really is Shakespearean.

01:04:16Oh boy.

01:04:17You know,

01:04:19this rivalry right now

01:04:20is not about Kentucky and Louisville.

01:04:22It's about two Italians.

01:04:24Calipari and Pitino

01:04:25hate each other.

01:04:26They can't say otherwise.

01:04:28They can act like they don't,

01:04:29but they do.

01:04:30I can understand

01:04:31why you don't want

01:04:31to carry on a public feud,

01:04:33because that's counterproductive

01:04:35to what they're doing.

01:04:36But any pretense

01:04:38of a friendly relationship

01:04:39is false.

01:04:40This thing,

01:04:41and again,

01:04:41I tease and say

01:04:42we don't send Christmas cards,

01:04:44but when my mother passed,

01:04:45he sent me a card

01:04:47and said that there's

01:04:48going to be a mask

01:04:48said for your mother.

01:04:49I don't care what

01:04:50you hear from anybody else,

01:04:52there is no love lost

01:04:54between those two individuals.

01:04:56Let's just say

01:04:57if one was drowning

01:04:58and the other one

01:04:58was standing there

01:04:59and there was nobody

01:05:00around to witness it,

01:05:01you'd have one dead person.

01:05:03Well, I think if his name

01:05:03was McGillicuddy

01:05:04and I'm Pitino

01:05:05would never be brought up.

01:05:06But it's the Italian way.

01:05:09They always want to kill each other,

01:05:10you know,

01:05:10in the eyes of the public.

01:05:12You know,

01:05:12they think this is some,

01:05:13you know,

01:05:13they think this is

01:05:14a mafia movie.

01:05:15It's a conspiracy.

01:05:17It's a rivalry.

01:05:18You've got two Italians.

01:05:21What do you expect?

01:05:22You take Calipari

01:05:23and Pitino,

01:05:24you're not going to find

01:05:25a bigger rivalry there.

01:05:26You can spin that

01:05:27any way you want to.

01:05:29There's passion

01:05:30on both sides there.

01:05:31They're alpha males.

01:05:32They love the spotlight,

01:05:33both of them.

01:05:34If one guy's getting

01:05:35the spotlight

01:05:36and they're not,

01:05:36they're hyper-competitive.

01:05:38They want it.

01:05:39You know,

01:05:39I mean,

01:05:39from that standpoint,

01:05:40they have really actually

01:05:41boost the rivalry up

01:05:42significantly.

01:05:43They both want to be number one

01:05:45and that's good.

01:05:46That's good for basketball

01:05:47and the state.

01:05:51I'm like,

01:05:54that's good for basketball.

01:05:55I love you.

01:05:56Keep going.

01:06:17See you next week.

01:06:28There was a great sense of pride that the two teams from our state were playing for

01:06:34a shot to play in a national championship game, and Carolina and Duke had never been

01:06:39in that position.

01:06:40So it was Kentucky and Louisville the first ones to have that kind of rivalry matchup.

01:06:44Having covered sports in the area here for 25 years, it was the single greatest sporting

01:06:49event I've ever seen here.

01:06:51Police in Georgetown were called to a dialysis center Monday after a UK and UofL fan, each

01:06:5670 years old, gave each other a full court press during their treatment.

01:07:00The dialysis story is about as odd as I've ever heard.

01:07:06That week needed sort of a defining story that indicated just how crazy this rivalry is.

01:07:11And two guys fighting while they're hooked up to dialysis machines is about as insane

01:07:18Louisville, Kentucky as you can get.

01:07:20I didn't talk to him about the ball game.

01:07:21I talked to another guy about the ball game, he met me, and told me, shut up, and then give

01:07:27me the finger.

01:07:28I said, what?

01:07:28I'm not talking to you.

01:07:29You know, I'm sitting there hooked up to a machine and I can't do anything.

01:07:32And I hit him.

01:07:33Didn't hit him at heart, but I hit him.

01:07:35It's a microcosm of the entire rivalry.

01:07:37These people are dealing with gigantic issues in their lives.

01:07:41They're elderly.

01:07:42They should be mature enough not to be fighting over basketball games.

01:07:45And yet it's still taking place.

01:07:52That's by 90.

01:07:53Louisville by 10, man.

01:07:54That's by 90.

01:07:55Louisville, Louisville.

01:07:56Beat Louisville.

01:07:58Beat.

01:08:00Loser.

01:08:01Loser.

01:08:02Cards by two.

01:08:04Last second, three.

01:08:06It's got to be the drama to put the stake in their heart.

01:08:09If you were in New Orleans and you were on Bourbon Street, all you saw was red and blue.

01:08:14It was what this rivalry is really all about.

01:08:20I would say at least 40,000 to 45,000 of those fans in New Orleans for that Final Four

01:08:27first round there were from Kentucky and Louisville.

01:08:30It's going to be a good game.

01:08:31It's going to all depend on defense.

01:08:33You know, both teams are really good in defense.

01:08:35And, you know, right now Kentucky has a lot more talent than Louisville, but may the defense team win.

01:08:39I actually think Louisville will be in foul trouble and it will be a blowout today.

01:08:43I'm kind of scared to see what happens.

01:08:46She'd rather lose than to see what happens.

01:08:48I'd rather, I'd rather lose than to see, have to deal with her being depressed the rest of the weekend.

01:09:04The Final Four was one of the greatest Final Fours that I was ever a part of.

01:09:11Kentucky was a very, very solid favorite to be the national champion.

01:09:16Louisville was just, felt very fortunate to be there.

01:09:20I think there was heavy anxiety for Kentucky fans.

01:09:23What if we lose?

01:09:24We have the best team.

01:09:25There's no way we can lose this game.

01:09:27Louisville was playing more with house money.

01:09:29It's all red and blue inside the dome.

01:09:32It's Jang.

01:09:32He's got Davis behind him.

01:09:34Davis trying to defend.

01:09:35Jones comes over and blocks it.

01:09:37His Kentucky team set a record.

01:09:39Most blocks in a season.

01:09:40Lamb with the baseliner in Kentucky.

01:09:42Three for three to open the game.

01:09:44Bahannon.

01:09:45Pulled up.

01:09:46Jump for her.

01:09:47Oh!

01:09:47My goodness!

01:09:49Blackshear!

01:09:51Timeout, Kentucky!

01:09:52Louisville makes a run and cuts it to three or four or something like that.

01:09:57I left.

01:09:57I couldn't take it.

01:09:58Because I was like, if we lose this game, I'm not going to be able to handle it.

01:10:01I went and watched it in a bar across the street because I just couldn't deal with it.

01:10:05Louisville put up a good fight, but it just wasn't going to happen.

01:10:09It was just too good a basketball team that John Calipari had.

01:10:13Kentucky wins the state championship and will play Monday night for the national championship.

01:10:29It's our fans.

01:10:31Our fans are great to us.

01:10:32And we just go ahead and play ball.

01:10:34Our fans travel a long way.

01:10:35And we want to go ahead and give them a show and give them what they want with the national

01:10:38championship.

01:10:39It was fun for a lot of reasons.

01:10:41It probably wasn't as much fun after the game for Louisville.

01:10:44But to be there with Kentucky, Louisville, you know, and then Kansas and Ohio State,

01:10:49that's about as blue blood as you can get.

01:10:51And for Kentucky fans, I don't know many that can say they ever had a better moment.

01:10:56We've waited a long time for this eighth national championship.

01:11:00And that's the national championship ring.

01:11:02The championship game was a testimony to Coach Calipari.

01:11:08It was a game where his superstar, Anthony Davis, had one basket and was still the star of the game.

01:11:17I always sort of enjoy, just on a personal level, somebody that can really impact a game without scoring a

01:11:24lot.

01:11:24Because it doesn't happen a lot.

01:11:26And it sort of makes the point about basketball being a team game.

01:11:35Calipari thrives on one-and-dones. I love them.

01:11:37I wouldn't want a four- or five-year recruit.

01:11:39It gives them time to be lazy.

01:11:41You know you've got to work because somebody else is coming in to take your spot.

01:11:46Calipari has the belief that if you give me the best players in the country, I'll win.

01:11:52Regardless of whether they're freshmen or seniors.

01:11:54It's not a one-and-done. He goes and gets the best talent.

01:11:57You know, someone's going to get them.

01:11:58So when they say it's about one-and-done, no.

01:11:59He's just going to get the best talented players.

01:12:01If they're good to leave, then they do it.

01:12:03If they don't, they stay another year or two.

01:12:04I wish they had that one-and-done when I came out of high school.

01:12:06I would have done it too.

01:12:09I can't pull for anybody that's got six one-and-outs. I can't.

01:12:15I like guys who come and stay two, three, four years.

01:12:19Learn the city, learn the campus, learn the people, and then move on.

01:12:25And then when they get their degree, they'll be extremely proud of it.

01:12:28There's two parts of this.

01:12:29My option is to recruit players that aren't quite good enough

01:12:32or to convince young people to stay when they should leave.

01:12:36Two things is actually a downside.

01:12:38For me, personally, they don't stay long enough to get really –

01:12:42you just get attached to them and start to enjoy them as players,

01:12:46and then they're gone.

01:12:47In four years, you learn to really care about people.

01:12:50You get to know their families, their sisters, their background, their habits.

01:12:54You get to know their good parts and bad parts about them, anything,

01:12:57and you care for them.

01:12:58Louisville fans know the backstories of every one of their players.

01:13:01I mean, this story about Peyton Siva sort of saving his dad's life

01:13:04when he was 13 years old only came out in his junior season.

01:13:07Had he left after his freshman year, Louisville fans would never know it.

01:13:10And that's what U.K. fans know about their players.

01:13:12They know the simple stuff, and then they go to the NBA, and that's it.

01:13:18Calipari said last year we lost because we didn't have a team chemistry.

01:13:22What is a team?

01:13:23A team is five players who play together as a unit.

01:13:28They had good athletes.

01:13:29They shouldn't have been selfish.

01:13:31They should have come together.

01:13:32I know it broke their heart when Robert Morris just stormed the court

01:13:37like they just won a national championship.

01:13:39Oh, man, that feels so good.

01:13:41People outside of the U.K. fan base acted like U.K. fans were going to go crazy.

01:13:46They went crazy the Friday night they lost a band.

01:13:49I think everybody was confident enough that last year was a bit of an aberration

01:13:54that they just wiped last year out of their mind.

01:13:56It just didn't happen.

01:13:58If, and I've posed this question to many U.K. fans,

01:14:01if it means having an NIT appearance every four years,

01:14:07if you go regional final, final four, national championship,

01:14:13and then you have to make an NIT appearance, would you do that?

01:14:17I've had 100% say yes.

01:14:21What do you think Lowell's chances are this year winning a championship?

01:14:25I think they're the favorite.

01:14:27I mean, I think they're going to probably win.

01:14:28They're playing the best of anybody.

01:14:30They got the most mature team in the thing,

01:14:33so I think they're probably the favorite.

01:14:35You know, the best team doesn't always win.

01:14:37I think the best team probably wins about half the time.

01:14:41Kentucky was the best team last year and won,

01:14:43so the odds would suggest this year the best team doesn't win,

01:14:46so that's what I'm hoping for.

01:14:48But I do think they're the best team, at least now.

01:14:50I can't watch them play at all because they're going to win,

01:14:53and I hate that they're going to win.

01:14:55They're just so Louisville, and their fans,

01:14:57they're all drunk from the start to the finish with their tattoos,

01:15:02and their screaming, and their yelling, and I'm just, I'm so over it.

01:15:06And, you know, I hate Duke.

01:15:08I mean, I hate Duke.

01:15:09But if they play Louisville, I'm a Cameron crazy this weekend.

01:15:13I'll paint my face.

01:15:15I'll jump up and down.

01:15:16You know, I'll do whatever because we've got to have Louisville lose.

01:15:21What y'all got plans to win at NIT next year?

01:15:24Y'all seeking y'all revenge on Robert Morris.

01:15:26Hold on, hold on.

01:15:26I'm going to be down there just a minute.

01:15:28So who's going to be more of a letdown?

01:15:31The fact that Kentucky lost against Robert Morris?

01:15:34You are a letdown.

01:15:35Or the fact that the number one overall team?

01:15:37You are a huge disappointment.

01:15:37Or the fact that the number one overall team does not win out?

01:15:40Number three preseason.

01:15:41Number three preseason.

01:15:42Number three in the nation, man.

01:15:44What was they number in recruit class?

01:15:45One.

01:15:46Number one.

01:15:47One, three.

01:15:47Number one the same season they was in the NIT?

01:15:50That's the rest of the people's success.

01:15:51I think our championships is the fact that Kentucky doesn't do well.

01:15:54It's not our championship at all.

01:15:55Yes, it is.

01:15:56It's not our championship.

01:15:56Yes, it is.

01:15:57I didn't even watch the Robert Morris game.

01:15:58I did.

01:16:24The Louisville team in 2013 was really one of the first teams that came along that made

01:16:29me wish I was still writing a sports column because they had such an interesting mix of personalities.

01:16:36The thing you've got to love about Coach Pitino is how he really molds a group of guys and

01:16:41turns them into a wonderful team.

01:16:43They made a good run.

01:16:44They made it to what, Final Four last year?

01:16:48Then we beat them.

01:16:50We lost to them last year.

01:16:52We took it inside.

01:16:53They talked about what they did.

01:16:55Here we are right back again in the Final Four.

01:16:58Kentucky's got the best basketball period.

01:17:01And I guess second best is Louisville, so we'll just keep the championship at the state.

01:17:04I guess sometimes second best has got to win.

01:17:07It's happening here tonight and Monday.

01:17:11I'm Donna.

01:17:12Put that wherever you want to put it.

01:17:14I predict it.

01:17:15We're bringing it home, Louisville.

01:17:17We're bringing it home.

01:17:19For y'all.

01:17:20For Kev Ware.

01:17:21Of course, I think when Kevin Ware suffered that horrific injury against Duke in Indianapolis,

01:17:26I think Louisville became America's team.

01:17:29It galvanized people, I think, for a couple of reasons.

01:17:31One was it was a horrific injury.

01:17:33But then to see the way Luke responded to that and the team responded to it as well,

01:17:38I mean, it just put this tremendously human face on the Cardinals.

01:17:42You turn on Good Morning America and they're talking about Kevin Ware.

01:17:45You turn on the evening news, they're talking about Kevin Ware.

01:17:47Everybody was talking about it.

01:17:48And the number one thought going through Kevin Ware's mind at the moment of the broken leg.

01:17:54At least my bracket's not busted.

01:18:05Louisville had a tremendous year and the Michigan game just showed what the cards were made of.

01:18:12You couldn't ask for any better of a championship game the way those two teams went back and forth.

01:18:20Let's go Cards, baby, we're going to win it.

01:18:22Playing with inspiration, motivation, number one in the nation.

01:18:28I'm thinking we'll be national champs in a couple hours, but I'm really nervous right now.

01:18:32Let's go C-A-R-E-S time!

01:18:40Can't go way down town!

01:18:42Showed that from over to over.

01:18:49Big pick set out on top but the ball is loose.

01:18:52And now they get it to see that it's going to be Louisville in front.

01:19:01And the Louisville Cardinals are the 75th NCAA college basketball champions.

01:19:13And Rick Medina has won his second national title.

01:19:17First at Kentucky and now at Louisville.

01:19:20The first man ever to do it at two different schools.

01:19:24Louisville just had so many people who stepped up, but that's how good they were.

01:19:29And Rick Medina deserved all the credit.

01:19:32I mean, Medina was incredible.

01:19:33He came back, what, three different games, ten points down.

01:19:36He sort of established the character of that team.

01:19:39I think nationally, the publicity it brought to UofL,

01:19:43how they really cared for this young man and how they rallied behind him.

01:19:46It was a great story.

01:19:47It was sort of like a worst-case scenario for Kentucky.

01:19:52Because they not only were very good and won the national championship,

01:19:56they also had the best human interest story with Kevin Ware.

01:19:59So they had it all.

01:20:01Everything seemed like it fell in place.

01:20:03Just like, you know, the Ware kid breaking his leg.

01:20:06You know, and you're thinking, oh, my goodness, that shot should David Stadium.

01:20:09Well, what happens next game?

01:20:10Walk-on comes out in his two threes when they're down to Wichita State.

01:20:13It brings up, you know, helps them come back.

01:20:15So everything was just aligned for them, just right.

01:20:18Like it did for us the year before that.

01:20:20My first response to myself was, man,

01:20:24Louisville thinks they are getting closer to us.

01:20:26What? We got to do something.

01:20:28We got to step it up.

01:20:29We can't have two or three more seasons like the one we just had.

01:20:32Louisville gonna think they own the state.

01:20:34That's what I thought first.

01:20:36What are we going to do to show them that they're not?

01:20:45Oh, my, my! Oh, my, my!

01:20:48I showed you an arm to the door.

01:20:50Let's see.

01:20:51Hey, how you doing, big guy?

01:20:54See all this blue in there?

01:20:56What's up, baby?

01:20:56Hey, how you doing? How you doing?

01:20:58Yeah.

01:20:58I think I owe you a bit of apology for that win y'all got.

01:21:02I said we was going to smash y'all and y'all wasn't going to be nothing.

01:21:04Y'all probably be in NIT.

01:21:06Y'all made us eat our words, but.

01:21:08It was kind of like the opposite way.

01:21:10Yeah, but you know what?

01:21:11I'm going to use a line from Louisville fans, so don't hate on me.

01:21:16Wait till next year.

01:21:17Wait till next season.

01:21:19You got one coming.

01:21:20Y'all been on the losing end for so long.

01:21:22Now you're on the winning end.

01:21:24We get to say it.

01:21:25Wait till next year without wanting does.

01:21:27You got five more to go.

01:21:28Five more to do what?

01:21:29Before you catch up with Kentucky.

01:21:30Why do you think somebody's trying to catch up with Kentucky?

01:21:32Come on, huh?

01:21:33Because you're always the little brother on the block.

01:21:35Next year in Kentucky, we'll be back on top where we was,

01:21:37and you'll be back in your place where you ought to be.

01:21:40And everything will be back to normal.

01:21:42It'll be fine.

01:21:43Dude, the whole aura throughout the whole state of Kentucky will be,

01:21:45ah, it's back to normal.

01:21:48We own this state.

01:21:49Y'all don't own nothing.

01:21:50Yes, we do.

01:21:51We're not even in the same state.

01:21:52Louisville's is own state.

01:21:54You know, Louisville, capital Louisville.

01:21:56But, you know.

01:21:56The Louisville-Kentucky rivalry, there's really two factions, I think.

01:22:01It's the Louisville fans in Louisville against the Kentucky fans in Louisville.

01:22:04There is a strong Kentucky fan base over in the city of Louisville.

01:22:07There's no question about that.

01:22:08The University of Kentucky's largest alumni group is located here in Jefferson County.

01:22:13There's probably more Kentucky fans in Louisville than Louisville fans in Louisville.

01:22:18I hear from the UofL haters all the time that live around here.

01:22:23I get mail, you see it on social media, saying, you know, I used to think that mayor was a

01:22:28good guy,

01:22:29but he's over the top for UofL.

01:22:31I'm never going to vote for him again.

01:22:33You know, this kind of stuff.

01:22:34And the people that come up and talk to me and they try to counsel me about this,

01:22:37I just look them in the eye and say, remember, I'm the mayor of Louisville, not Lexington.

01:22:42The city of Louisville is divided.

01:22:44And the city of Louisville is divided hard.

01:22:46And that's kind of ground zero.

01:22:48Once you leave Louisville, everywhere else is Kentucky.

01:22:50Everywhere else is from Kentucky.

01:22:52Yeah, they ain't got no sense.

01:22:53That's what it tells you.

01:22:54They out there working, making moonshine, and rooting for Kentucky.

01:23:01And betting on horses.

01:23:02That's what we do in Kentucky.

01:23:03That's the way it is.

01:23:04And any of them with sense live in Louisville and go for Louisville.

01:23:08There's so many Kentucky fans in the city of Louisville.

01:23:12And there are so many Louisville fans who want to say, this is our place.

01:23:16This is where we play.

01:23:18Go watch your team somewhere else.

01:23:21That it's so funny to see that mix.

01:23:24Yeah, they all just kind of meet up here for drinks in this little town and everything goes nuts.

01:23:33The sports top prize on the line with Louisville and Kentucky playing each other.

01:23:37The state would explode.

01:23:38The city would be on fire.

01:23:40The city would be on fire.

01:23:43People would not be able to handle it.

01:23:46There'd be a whole bunch of people down on 6th of Cedar in jail.

01:23:49There would be riots.

01:23:51There'd be a whole bunch of people in the middle of the street.

01:23:53You know, celebration may go on for hours.

01:23:57They could get there on opposite sides of the bracket.

01:23:59And I hope I'm there to see it.

01:24:03I've been fortunate to see a lot of great games between the two schools with so much on the line.

01:24:10Going to the Final Four, playing in the Final Four.

01:24:15But to play for the championship, that would top it all.

01:24:19As a state, we are pretty much the kings of basketball right now.

01:24:24If you want to talk college basketball, it's not in Chapel Hill.

01:24:28It's not Tobacco Road.

01:24:30It's the state of Kentucky right now.

01:24:32Give me another state that wins a national championship one year with one team

01:24:36and a national championship the next year with another team.

01:24:39And then as you go into 2014, it could be again.

01:24:43One of those two again.

01:24:44Kentucky has this class of freshmen that, you know, is at the best class ever.

01:24:51And Louisville has the defending national champion with most of those players back.

01:24:56And I think that's what gets everybody so excited in Kentucky about college basketball

01:25:00is kind of having these discussions on which way it's going to go.

01:25:04And I hope that continues for an awfully long time.

01:25:06It's good for our cities and it's good for the state.

01:25:08I don't see Cal going anywhere soon.

01:25:11I don't see Rick going anywhere soon.

01:25:14I think you're going to see this rivalry even get better.

01:25:16You can talk about blue and red all you want.

01:25:18It's Kentucky.

01:25:19It's the state of Kentucky and it's the state of Kentucky that benefits.

01:25:23Because after all, at the end of the day, we're all Kentuckians.

01:25:41Every day, theency of a light in Turkey was a very difficult time.

01:25:42That's how I'm to get people now.

01:25:44And there is no reason that.

01:25:46So, if we see Roman, we can't do it.

01:25:47We have to come into the district of four missions.

01:25:48Understanding your years, we are towards Davidson and these tip for thenga Vargasia.

01:25:48Because we're going to daddy.

01:25:48And we've learned a little bit more.

01:25:49See Jose várias agrar.

01:25:49You've got to explore the seven missions.

01:25:49What are you thinking?

01:25:50How do youace with meat on a new VIS Philippe?

01:25:54You played a lot of theших with Gradius.

01:26:11Well, I finally broke down and I framed a couple Louisville pictures and took them to

01:26:15my mall, my peddler malls in Louisville, or the Sports Illustrated cover from the National

01:26:19Championship.

01:26:20I want to congratulate them, I guess, for winning.

01:26:22If they don't sell, I'll probably burn them, but we'll try.

01:26:28This win also made Coach Patino the first coach in history to win the championship at two

01:26:34different schools.

01:26:43We won't name the other one.

01:26:50Oh, yeah.

01:26:52Yeah, yeah.

01:26:53We saw it.

01:26:54We saw it.

01:26:55Yeah, that's my guy, too.

01:26:57But, you know, presidents can be wrong, too, sometimes.

01:26:59You know, hey, you know, presidents can be wrong sometimes, so.

01:27:06That's what concerns me about Louisville fans.

01:27:08Y'all are built for right now.

01:27:10Y'all get y'all power, y'all can't, y'all gobbled up right now, y'all success.

01:27:13Y'all not sustainable for 10 to 15 years.

01:27:17What about Chris Fit?

01:27:18Sweet back Chris Fit!

01:27:20It's the best man!

01:27:25The easiest thing in the world is to denigrate someone for Peggy, Iowa.

01:27:28I listen to it.

01:27:29It's only 5% of the local fans, 5% of Kentucky fans who do it.

01:27:33And the rest of it, you know, like I said, all parade to each other.

01:27:35They live comfortably, you know, so they have children together, so it's, you know, now.

01:27:43Do you have Kentucky fans that kind of give you grief?

01:27:48He's getting better.

01:27:50See how he wears red.

01:27:51I'm a fan of both teams.

01:27:52He's a fan of both.

01:27:53I married him anyway.

01:27:55Wait a second, so you're wearing the Louisville stuff now?

01:27:57Have you converted them?

01:27:59Pretty much.

01:28:00Louisville's playing them for Louisville and Kentucky's playing them for Kentucky.

01:28:03Got you.

01:28:03We're going to play each other for Kentucky to win an overtime.

01:28:11I want Logan to tell you both.

01:28:13I wish they could play in the finals and they had to pass so many overtime that they had to

01:28:17call a game.

01:28:18Because they wore the ball out.

01:28:23I think that's, unless you guys can think of anything else.

01:28:26You don't want to know anything about the football, Robert?

01:28:29Oh yeah, sure.

01:28:42How should you put on the不管.

01:28:58I wish you had pepperoni and a lot of them got hooked on all together.

01:28:58I knew you were going to have past the football SMITHP.

01:28:58You wouldn't be shaking him if he was big.

01:29:04If you think of all, the player, when I'm80.

01:29:06You'd be patient.

01:29:06And you know that I want to see the football just done.

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