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00:11You can call me a fool for believing, you can call me a fool for talking about Mary
00:15is God, or even messing with Mary like that, you know, you can say that and I understand
00:20it because I feel like a fool.
00:22I ain't just trying to find a place to fill my spirit, I thought it was being filled there.
00:27The moment that I came to the conclusion that we had really gone to the dark side is when
00:37Cameron told me that he had intercourse with Mary on a Saturday and not only did she get
00:43up there and preach to us on a Sunday, she put him up there too.
00:49All that was going on and I had no idea, like I didn't know that she was like that as
00:53much
00:53as I know about her.
00:54I didn't know that she would lay on her back with a member of our church.
01:01I just know that if my grandmother was here, none of this would be happening.
01:07What goes on down in the heart?
01:11So show me where you're letting me, till I'm ready to call him out.
01:18Wow, my favorite picture right there.
01:23Just an amazing woman.
01:27Rumor has it that this is me in this picture at a young age.
01:33Being born into a church where my grandmother was the pastor and the leader was very strict.
01:44It was just all about no sin.
01:53I refer to Robert as my gramps.
01:57It's because he was married to my grandmother for as long as I can remember.
02:01My dad left when I was five and Gramps, he was just the father figure that Mary and I never
02:09really had.
02:10We had to revisit what we were to each other once he married my sister.
02:14That's a different kind of person.
02:16And the reality set in that I lost him.
02:20It just upset me more than anything.
02:22I didn't.
02:24Yeah, so.
02:31When The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City was announced, Mary being married to her step-grandfather
02:36was the only thing that people could talk about.
02:39I am still not over the fact that she married basically her grandpa.
02:42I don't care if he's her grandfather by blood or marriage.
02:45The point is, this is a man that used to sleep with her grandmother.
02:50But in my reporting, I discovered there was much more to the story.
02:57Robert was married to Mary's grandmother, Mama.
03:00Mama was the founder and pastor of Faith Temple Church.
03:04When Mama married Robert, he was about 20 years younger than her.
03:09Robert and Mama never had any children of their own.
03:12Mama had Mary's mother, Rosalyn, from a previous marriage, making Mary Robert's step-granddaughter.
03:20After Mama died, Robert married Mary.
03:24Robert was 20 years older than Mary.
03:27Together, they took over Mama's church, Faith Temple.
03:31If my grandmother saw me today, she would be my number one cheerleader.
03:35She would say, Mary, keep up the good work.
03:38I know that's what she'd say.
03:41I don't think that the members of Faith Temple would agree with Mary, thinking Mama would be proud of her,
03:48knowing the state of the church today.
03:52This is Mama.
03:54She's my grandmother.
03:57Faith Temple was Mama's church.
03:59God called us.
04:01Yes.
04:01That's why y'all here.
04:03You have an ear to hear.
04:05Yes.
04:05The Faith Temple provided a good foundation, security, safety.
04:11We were very close back then.
04:13It was like everybody in the church was family.
04:17Amen.
04:18God bless y'all.
04:20Mama taught us love.
04:21She taught us support.
04:23And I want her story out there because Robert and Mary tainted Mama.
04:29I want the people to know the truth.
04:34I absolutely believe that Mary and Robert are running a cult.
04:38Mary is responsible for destroying the church and the legacy that was attached to it.
04:48Former Faith Temple members had said that Mary and Robert ruined everything that Mama built.
04:53And so in order to understand where Faith Temple is today, we need to go back and understand Mama's history.
05:08My name is Dorothy Shannon.
05:11I'm 95 years old.
05:13I was a member of the Temple Church for 76 years.
05:18And Mama was the beginning of it.
05:21I was Mama's best friend.
05:23We worked together as missionaries in Indianapolis from 57 till 60.
05:30And the Lord began speaking, go to my city, Salt Lake City.
05:36Cosby was a part-time preacher in Indianapolis.
05:39She knew nothing of Utah, only that God had souls for her to save in the West.
05:45She was an Indiana-born minister who set out on foot to Salt Lake City in 1961.
05:51She and her four children, she told them, she said, well, we're going to walk.
05:56She and her four children traveled by bus, hitchhiked, and walked to Salt Lake City.
06:10Pentecostal preacher brings a new voice to historically Mormon Salt Lake City.
06:15You're talking about a young black woman coming to a predominantly white state.
06:22One of the women in Indianapolis told her, why are you going to Salt Lake City?
06:26She said, there's nothing out there but white folks and salt.
06:29They didn't know anything about Pentecostalism.
06:32At first, I didn't know about Salt Lake.
06:34See, I didn't know anything about the West.
06:36I never had been anyplace.
06:38I just felt like I was a stranger in a foreign language.
06:42And then there was white saints that came.
06:45There was no color barriers there.
06:48Mama accepted all people.
06:50If you were a soul and you loved God, Mama loved you.
06:55Mama began preaching from her living room, which was known as the Saint's House.
07:00And these sermons were so loud sometimes that people just passing by would peek their head
07:05inside and become part of this grassroots movement.
07:09This is how she grew her church from nothing into a bigger congregation.
07:15Outside of preaching, Mama was working housekeeping jobs and saving money in order to open up her first church.
07:24In 1968, Cosby built her first Salt Lake church on Indiana Street.
07:29Five times a week, these cinder block walls came alive with the rocking sounds of Mama.
07:37Don't you believe a church should be a quiet, sacred kind of place?
07:42Usually they think you're supposed to be real quiet, but we're noisy.
07:47We believe in making a joyful noise into the Lord, and that's what he's needed.
07:53Pentecostal is the receiving of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues.
07:58They call us the Holy Rollers.
08:01That's where that term came from.
08:03The Holy Ghost is simply the Spirit of God.
08:07So it was prophesied that God would pour out His Spirit upon all flesh.
08:12And when you receive the Holy Ghost, you allow God's Spirit to go in you.
08:18Hands may be going up.
08:19We've seen people shake.
08:21We've seen people cry.
08:23If someone would end, I couldn't live it if I couldn't deal it.
08:28It's not religion.
08:29It's salvation.
08:31People are appraising God.
08:33We're thanking God.
08:34We're making that joyful noise unto the Lord.
08:38Like Jane Brown, Elvis, Tina Turner.
08:41They all got their background from the Pentecostal church.
08:51When Mama started preaching, she gradually took you to a place where it was high octane.
08:57Like you was being in contact with the divine.
09:00She said she need a church home.
09:02She wants to go down in Jesus' name.
09:06She would show up to church and give everything.
09:18Mama was always doing things that would sustain Fay Temple.
09:24Mama wanted us to be established in a way where we didn't have to go outside to get money.
09:30So my grandmother started opening up these small businesses that we had.
09:35When Mama arrived in Salt Lake City in the 1960s, only 1% of the population was Black.
09:41It was a massively underserved community.
09:44So when Mama opened up a variety of businesses, specifically geared towards the Black residents,
09:50people flocked to her businesses because there wasn't anything for them at that time.
09:55Everything that Mama did was for the church.
10:07Although Mama established Fay Temple in Salt Lake City, she still remained connected to Indianapolis.
10:14She went back there for teachings that were known as tent meetings.
10:22Back in the 70s, going back to Indianapolis for the tent meetings, that became synonymous with Fay Temple.
10:28The church was just growing like ridiculous.
10:31We had a tent meeting in Indianapolis, Indiana, on the south side.
10:36At least 40 to 50 converts that came back with us to Utah at that meeting.
10:43And Robert was one of them.
10:46When Robert Cosby came to Fay Temple, the arena changed.
10:53He's a monster.
11:16Robert came to Salt Lake, I think around 72 or 73.
11:21Mama, she moved him into the guest room.
11:25Mama's approach was that she was a mother.
11:29But he wasn't seeing it like that.
11:32Everybody else kind of saw what Mama did not see.
11:36They were like, that boy got it bad.
11:39Mama just wasn't having it.
11:41She was kind of hung up on the age difference.
11:44The age difference is about 20 years.
11:46It wasn't an issue for the members in the church.
11:50It was made clear to Mama that the whole purpose of them getting together was because he was to finish
11:57the ministry that she had started and created.
12:00In 1975, Mama married Robert Cosby.
12:04He said, I was 22 years old when I married Mary's grandmother.
12:08Whose granddaddy was I then?
12:10And just so you know, when Robert Sr. and Mary's grandmother got married, Mary was three years old.
12:17After they got married, he was made the bishop.
12:21If he didn't love her, he fooled me.
12:23And I was right there with her.
12:26He appeared he really loved Mama.
12:28But something happens afterwards.
12:34My mom's relationship with Robert, he was this guy that he would do anything for.
12:40But he has so many different sides to him.
12:44You may see a guy who seems very pious and whatever else.
12:48But you have to understand that at any given moment, he can become anything.
12:54I'll give you an example.
12:55When Mary said, I would say, arrange marriage.
13:01And if you notice, he breathes in.
13:05After that, he says, she said, if anything ever happens to me, Bobby, I want you to marry one of
13:11my girls because they'll look out for you.
13:14And he goes into that mode.
13:16If anything happened to me, you'd be more than without it.
13:18And it's like, okay.
13:20He was angry.
13:24Robert Cosby was like Jekyll and Hyde.
13:27What's up, Ray?
13:32This is Demetrius, my brother here.
13:36And this is me.
13:38And, of course, this is my mom.
13:41At three weeks old, I was adopted by her.
13:45Robert Cosby adopted Demetrius and I as well.
13:49Demetrius is my natural brother.
13:51We thought that he was always our father ever since we were little kids.
13:55I hated him.
13:57I couldn't stand him.
14:00If you look real close, you can see my brother's hand on my shoulder pulling me back to protect us.
14:11He used to have some meetings called the Brotherhood.
14:14Robert and some other elders would have meetings with all the young boys in the church every Saturday.
14:24He was trying to teach us to be men.
14:25Get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up,
14:30get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up.
14:30He would go out.
14:31He'd make us do push-ups and he'd make us run around the church and keep us up all day,
14:37literally all day.
14:38And it started becoming abusive.
14:47He would make us hold books up out like this.
14:50And then he would have us run in place.
14:57You know, because he was in the military and some other elders were in the military, so they were putting
15:04that in us as kids.
15:08For example, taking a pen and putting it under your knees so you wouldn't.
15:27Anyway, it's a memory.
15:37Okay, you got me on that one, so your knees wouldn't hit this pen or it'd stick you, obviously.
15:50I remember a kid, and he couldn't do a push-up or a sit-up, and I remember one of
15:56the guys, one of the elders, kicked him.
16:00He kicked the kid.
16:09It was all in the premise of God, holiness in hell.
16:14And Mama didn't know, because she had nothing to do with that.
16:18We felt that if she found out that he was doing these things to us, that it would end up
16:23ultimately hurting her.
16:25So we felt we were taking one, as they say, kind of taking one for the team.
16:28That was until Demetrius spilled the beans on him.
16:33Demetrius said, okay, Mom, I don't want to go to the meeting because they're beating on us.
16:36He said, we have to do dying cockroaches while they hold needles under our legs, punching us.
16:41Listen, he just told everything.
16:44And the look on her face, I can't even describe it.
16:50It was hurt.
16:53There was anger.
16:55It was almost like it just took her gut out.
16:58She said, Bobby, is that true what they're telling me?
17:02No, I'm just trying.
17:03No, potatoes, they exaggerating.
17:04They exaggerating.
17:06And she said, those meetings are done.
17:09And then she just sent us.
17:10She said, y'all go downstairs.
17:14And I don't know what the conversation was after that.
17:25Mind control cult leaders want total control over their followers.
17:32In mind control cults, especially when it comes to children, it's horrendous that corporal punishment is often used to hit
17:45children with a belt, with a paddle, striking them, which we now know creates trauma.
17:53But it's this cultivation that you better follow the rules or else there'll be violence.
18:01There is a line in the Bible, spare the rod, spoil the child.
18:06So that verse is taken out of context to mean do it literally.
18:12But it's a very important point because it's creating dependence and obedience.
18:19The more I go down the Mary Cosby rabbit hole, the crazier the story gets.
18:24Mary is estranged from her mother.
18:45Mary says a lot of things, and it's just contradictory to the way that we were raised and the way
18:52that we came up.
18:53I mean, we were on the welfare, and we didn't have anything, and it just, the struggle was always there.
18:59Don't get on TV talking about you had money because you know that that's not the case.
19:06In 1972, Mama's daughter Rosalyn gave birth to Mary.
19:11Mary had a difficult relationship with her mom, though both remained part of the church.
19:17When she was around 19, 20 years old, her and her mom had a falling out.
19:22Mama played a central role in raising Mary.
19:25Why are you called Mama?
19:27Really, God called me Mama.
19:30That was the starting of it.
19:32And I'm an overseer of a group of people, and they're more like my children.
19:37One thing that me and Mary have in common is my grandmother was more of a mother figure to us.
19:45Our mother is Rosalyn Cazares.
19:50We don't have a relationship with her.
19:52I just don't remember her being around a lot.
19:55She was a young mom, and my father had left.
20:01When my mom felt like she couldn't control a situation, my grandmother would move in and really help.
20:13There's myself, Mary.
20:17Yeah, this was a group that we used to sing in, Cosby and Company.
20:23Mary was annoying.
20:25I just have to be honest.
20:27Mary was a troublemaker.
20:31And she needed a lot of attention.
20:34She was wild.
20:36She would run away from home a lot.
20:39So we get the call from Mama.
20:42Look for Mary.
20:43She's gone again.
20:45Troublemaker, man.
20:49You seem to like dudes with reputation and a little bit of money.
20:55Mary's always been a materialistic female.
20:58That was her type of guy back then.
21:01Unfortunately, I had a lot of young female friends that I get phone calls.
21:07We're looking for your cousin.
21:09What's going on now?
21:13I can recall one instance where Mary had caused some trouble between some of the other students.
21:20And she began to follow me home.
21:22And she runs up behind me and she says, I need to walk with you.
21:26I need to walk with you.
21:27I think these girls want to jump me.
21:28Mary kept nonsense going on.
21:31There's a difference when you enroll in school versus attending.
21:34Attending class was not on her agenda.
21:36It seems like there was always some kind of manipulation or scandal on Mary's behalf.
21:43You know, there's some people everywhere they go, they start a fire, right?
21:46I feel like she's one of those people.
21:49She just was all about herself and all about the men around her that could do something for her.
21:57She tended to lean on me when we became adults.
22:02Mary came to live with me.
22:05I got up to go to work one day and my car was gone.
22:09It's one thing to take somebody's car for a night, but then she took it for two weeks and I
22:15had to go find her.
22:16She was doing stuff that was bringing a reproach on the church.
22:22My grandmother knew and she couldn't continue to let Mary get away with that, which is why she got disfellowshipped.
22:34Most churches have some way to excommunicate people if they, you know, do things that they're not supposed to be
22:39doing.
22:40We call it disfellowshipped and it just means that you can come and listen and watch,
22:45but you're not allowed to participate in the service until you find your way back to God.
22:59It was 1997.
23:03I remember Robert calling me, crying, and I was like, what, what, what?
23:15He said, Danny, she left me and he didn't know what to do.
23:18I remember him saying he was distraught.
23:23I just kept saying, it'll be all right, it'll be all right.
23:26Yeah, it was probably the most devastating thing I've ever experienced in my life.
23:36Mary had a real hard time even just being at my grandmother's going away, just sitting there knowing that she
23:45was disfellowshipped in the state that she was in.
23:48It was really hard for her.
23:49I remember personally her just being really down.
23:52Mama was everything to us.
23:54She was the glue.
23:56She was definitely the glue.
24:07When Mama passed away, it was like the blanket got lifted and then all the ugly surfaced.
24:15All the monsters came out.
24:16And when they came out, there was no one there to check any of it.
24:22The expectation as far as a succession plan was Bishop Robert Cosby would take over and continue teaching us because
24:33he was her husband.
24:48It seemed like he was doing that maybe the first few months.
24:55And then all the problems started after that.
24:58The reality was he never got to see himself as an equal until my grandmother left.
25:05And then he didn't know what to do.
25:07That's where Mary got into the picture.
25:10I thought that the story was that your grandmother, before she died, said she wanted your current husband, your then
25:19grandfather, to marry you to replace her.
25:21So basically, Robert Sr. was 20 years younger than my grandmother.
25:26My grandmother felt like she robbed his youth.
25:29And so she says, if something ever happens, I want you to marry one of my girls because I know
25:33they'll be loyal to you and treat you good like you treated me.
25:37Mary Cosby was kicked out of the church.
25:40The mama, the grandmother, wanted her out of the church.
25:44Like, get your life together.
25:46This doesn't make sense.
25:48Nothing makes sense.
25:49Rigor mortis didn't even kick in before Mary started walking down the aisle with her grandfather.
25:55But why would Mary want to marry her step-grandfather?
25:58And why would he, aside from maybe being creepy, want to marry his step-granddaughter?
26:04Hmm.
26:06The day that I went to my grandmother's services, I picked Mary up.
26:14And Mary was disfellowshipped.
26:16I just remember me and her had a conversation about it.
26:20And I think Gramps went on this mission to try to revive her spiritually.
26:28Next thing you know, she's in his house and they're doing God knows what.
26:32Robert, he was devastated.
26:34He had just lost the love of his life.
26:36And then you've got this young girl who is her granddaughter who is consoling him.
26:42I mean, he told us they went to dinner every night and she'd make him talk about mama and it
26:47helped heal him.
26:51I remember my Gramps bought Mary a BMW.
26:55Random.
26:56Okay.
26:56You know, there's like 25 grandchildren.
26:58I'm right here.
26:59I'll, you know, wait for mine.
27:00But anyway, she was showing him a new way of living in Christianity.
27:06You know, the things that we just weren't doing, you know, like the drinking and stuff.
27:10It's also alleged that the congregation was starting to talk and take notice that Mary was spending so much time
27:16with Bishop Cosby.
27:17You are a young woman and you're not some naive little girl.
27:25How Robert all of a sudden decided that he's supposed to marry Mary, I don't know where that came from.
27:33When my grandmother left, she left me her empire.
27:37Homes, churches, daycares, a mortgage company, restaurants, including her husband.
27:46Some of the things that she's saying about it being an inheritance.
27:52Which is one of the biggest lies that she told.
27:56She, every time she opens her mouth, she's telling the story.
27:59But more importantly, for him to allow her to get on TV and say, mama wanted her to have this
28:06and that and the other, he knows better.
28:10It made people uncomfortable.
28:12And then he started using God.
28:14He started bringing God into it and asking different members, is God talking to you about him marrying Mary?
28:21I was like, what?
28:25My gramps called me up and asked me if the Lord is telling me anything about him and marrying him.
28:32He was saying that God was telling him to marry my sister.
28:37It was like, okay, this is weird.
28:40The only thing that I said to him, I said, do I still get to call you gramps?
28:43It was almost like, is this guy crazy now?
28:47He goes, there's no relation.
28:48We're not related.
28:49I said, I know we're not related.
28:50That's common sense.
28:52But that's your granddaughter.
28:54And he said, don't worry.
28:57God will make it plain to you.
28:58The biggest thing that I would say, in my mind, horrifies me is that Mary was married at the time.
29:08Did you know that Mary Cosby was allegedly married before she married Robert?
29:13Why would mama want Mary to marry Bob Sr. if divorce isn't allowed in their church?
29:19The pieces aren't fitting.
29:21If anybody sold they sold for money, this is it right here.
29:29Suzanne from Detroit, Michigan said, Mary, there are rumors online that say you were allegedly married before marrying your step
29:36-grandfather.
29:37Is there any truth to this?
29:38Yes.
29:38Did you leave your husband to marry your step-granddaddy?
29:41No, I did not leave my husband.
29:43He, no.
29:43In the reunion show, when Mary's asked about her first marriage, she gets flustered when pressed about the timeline of
29:51when that marriage ended and when she started things up with Robert.
29:55Did you divorce him to marry your step-grandfather?
29:58We got divorced because he, we just got divorced for irreconcilable differences.
30:05Just put it that way, Andy.
30:06It had nothing to do with Robert Sr.
30:08Nothing.
30:09Mary isn't being entirely truthful about the timeline of her divorce in her marriage to Robert.
30:16I found that she got a divorce from her first husband September 8th of 1998.
30:23A new marriage certificate was issued to Mary and Robert September 27th of 1998.
30:30So 19 days later, after she's granted her divorce, she marries Robert.
30:35The timeline shows there was some crossover happening.
30:39Mary's not telling the full story about what happened.
30:45Dana is Mary's first husband.
30:49He loved the mess out of Mary.
30:54She wasn't ready to get married, and she's always been one that is after money, right?
31:00And he certainly didn't have any money.
31:03She went from struggling with Dana to overnight going to fancy restaurants with Robert.
31:11Mary's kink is money.
31:13It's not even really power.
31:15He wanted Mary.
31:16All he had to do was show her some cash.
31:19You show Mary some cash, and you're king.
31:22I just think that her motive was lifestyle-related.
31:32Gramps and Mary were trying to do something, so they had this whole meeting on Dana.
31:38They really set up the narrative, like, the reason why Mary went through that whole disfellowship thing and all that
31:46was really because of him.
31:47Because he doesn't want her close to God, and he's jealous of her anointing.
31:53He was just basically ridiculed in front of the entire church and being accused that he hates Mary and being
32:02told to say it.
32:03It was two or three hours of just beating him down.
32:08Dana's been a member of this church his whole life.
32:11He was chastised.
32:12He was rebuked, humiliated.
32:15All I know is with Mama, that meeting wouldn't have took place.
32:19Mama loved Dana.
32:21She would have never done that.
32:25I think Robert and Mary did it to Dana because they had decided they were going to get married.
32:30They had to get rid of him.
32:32We had a meeting on a Friday.
32:36Saturday morning, they were at Dana's house with divorce papers for him to sign.
32:49I was against Gramps and Mary getting married.
32:52I spent a lot of time with this internal torment thinking I was going to hell.
32:59There was this element of if you go against Mary and Robert, you are going against God, and therefore your
33:06salvation is at risk.
33:09They put this fear on you.
33:10God's going to replace you.
33:12God don't want everybody.
33:13You know, you're hearing stuff like that.
33:15She made God like the boogeyman.
33:17You know, he's going to get you.
33:18If you have an opinion about something, if you don't agree with something, then you are the outcast, and you
33:27are of the devil, and you are stopping God's progression.
33:33They did all of that so Gramps and Mary could get together.
33:36Very cult-like.
33:39Mind control cults, if they're religious, they typically like to use God or the divine as a weapon or a
33:48tool of complete control and domination.
33:53There are those religious figures who emphasize love God with all your heart, mind, and strength.
34:00God bless y'all.
34:01I love y'all.
34:02Y'all know I do, don't you?
34:04So it's a love doctrine.
34:05But these mind control cults are focusing on the fear and domination notion of God, that unless you do what
34:16you're supposed to do, you're going to get wiped out, a la Noah and the Flood.
34:21The use of God as the omnipotent power that's going to harm people is just a reflection of phobia indoctrination.
34:31So they emphasize fear and control.
34:35Rumors begin swirling at Faith Temple that Robert and Mary are planning to get married.
34:41Robert's telling everyone this is God's plan, that God wants him to marry Mary.
34:49Meanwhile, Mary's mother, Rosalyn, is adamantly against this, and it will come to a head at what's known as the
34:57walkout service.
34:58It was out of control.
35:00It's Wild West.
35:15There was a walkout service where Rozzy Cazares, Mary's mother, came in and got up in the pulpit.
35:24All these guys that have been put out, all these knocked by.
35:27If you hear me like that, if this is my last stand in this pulpit, that is not God, what's
35:32going on around you.
35:34Go, Rozzy Cazares.
35:35They had been trying to convince my mom that Mary and my grandparents were supposed to get married and my
35:41mom wasn't having it.
35:42None of you just didn't call that ass my side of the story.
35:46You just went against me because you got something in your heart in there.
35:52She's supposed to bring in the choir so they can sing, but they came in like, because of war zone.
35:57And as she stood there, she pounded and stomped and held her mic.
36:02This church is coming down.
36:09She had a group with her, and I mean, there was people that I had loved, and they looked at
36:15us as if we were just pure enemies.
36:18Members that were with her were arguing with members that were with him, and this is going on in a
36:22service.
36:29They were name-calling and hints of violence.
36:33You know, I remember people getting hit with umbrellas.
36:36So I called the police, and I tell them there's a riot, and they stormed down the aisle.
36:47Don't shit out in all these things.
36:49All these things.
36:53They turned just mean.
36:56I mean, there was people pushing people out of seats, you know, moving people and shoving and, like, getting in
37:01people's faces.
37:02And it was horrifying.
37:13It shows, like, the dramatic effect that Robert making that decision to marry Mary had on the church.
37:23It's not anything that my grandmother would have approved of.
37:27You know, I know he's not blood, but it is incest because he's the only grandfather that we really knew.
37:35Just straight Sodom and Gomorrah.
37:38So now it's no longer Melma's church, what everyone knew and loved as Faith Temple.
37:44Like, Faith Temple had completely changed.
37:45It has new leadership and two new branches that don't with each other at all.
37:50This is the craziest story on Housewives.
37:54It has to be.
38:00My grandson, Mary, got married in a private ceremony.
38:06I just decided, if I'm going to be here, I'm going to wait and see what happens.
38:12You know, what are they going to do?
38:14So I waited to see.
38:17Shortly after the announcement of marriage, it's Mary is now the choir director.
38:24You're rolling Mary into positions of power.
38:27And, you know, you're telling Mary that she's over these elders who have been in this church for years because
38:33she's my wife.
38:34He said this one is going to come back in the form of Mama.
38:40They're going to come again.
38:41And that's when the trouble started.
38:43I've been there to know Mama.
38:46Well, then you ought to know me.
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