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00:20In the Naked City, generations of crooks are linked by blood, crimes and conspiracies.
00:30For some, death is just around the corner.
00:37Most people go about their business unaware there is a darker world that exists alongside
00:42them until, like a rumbling volcano, it bursts to the surface.
00:55There are five million stories in the Naked City.
00:59This is one of them.
01:20What causes someone to become a hitman?
01:24They don't really care too much for human life.
01:30Why don't you admit that you murdered my children?
01:35They're the lowest of the low, they take a human life for a sum of money.
01:41This was only ever about who controlled the Pillmark.
01:48An easy money for someone who has no conscience is to pick up a gun and take a contract out.
02:03I'm amazed that anyone can be callous enough to kill for payment.
02:09They believe that that would give them status within the criminal world.
02:14They don't care if an innocent person is injured or wounded or was killed.
02:19To have a psyche like that means you are the lowest form of humanity there is.
02:26An uncontrollable war where people were getting murdered on a monthly basis.
02:31There's enough money in the drug trade for everyone for a share.
02:35But of course, as soon as you get a taste of it, that's it.
02:39You want the lot.
02:40A .45 semi-auto loaded.
02:44Binoculars, night vision gear, ballistic vest, balaclava mask, wig.
03:12In the late 1980s and well into the 2000s, Melbourne didn't just have a crime problem,
03:18it had a full blown war on its hands.
03:21A bloody, drawn out, underworld conflict that would leave dozens of bodies on the ground,
03:27tie up thousands of police hours and feed a national obsession with crooks who acted like celebrities.
03:35At the centre of it were rival crews fighting for a slice of the city's booming drug trade.
03:41The Carlton crew were old school, organised, established and happy to mix gambling and standover tactics.
03:50Mick Gatto, Graeme Kinabra and Mario Condello were an underworld collective coming together
03:57to socialise and do business.
04:00And they would still be in business if a key group, the Moran family, weren't greedy and hot tempered.
04:06The Morans were connected through blood and business.
04:10Lewis was a bookmaker with sticky fingers, his sons, Mark had the brains, Jason had the temper.
04:18Over a decade, it was a sprawling crime war involving hundreds of police,
04:23untold millions in drugs and money that left major and minor underworld figures dead.
04:28At the same time, it would capture the fascination of a nation like no criminal
04:33story before or since. And that was because of the fuse that lit this powder keg of drugs,
04:40money and violence. Carl Anthony Williams.
04:53It seems so long ago, but I remember thinking way too much about Carl Williams.
05:01You know, I would have my working day full of how we were going to go and bring him behind
05:08bars,
05:08but that would often enter into my thoughts in the middle of the night.
05:13You know, I and many of my colleagues became very consumed by the work we did at the Piranha Task
05:21Force.
05:21And, you know, he was killing people as it turned out on a regular basis.
05:27We knew we weren't immune to that. We knew it was a threat and we took precautions
05:32for our own safety. All of us did.
05:36Ultimately, as I became more the focus of his attention, as we stepped out by our investigations,
05:43he became more focused on me. And we became aware of him making threats to kill me and my girlfriend.
05:51Williams was recorded asking his wife Roberta,
05:54If Bateson comes looking for me, you know what to do, don't you? Shoot them in the head.
06:00If you want Bateson's missus, I'll just chop her up.
06:05When these threats are taking place in a context that they were, where people were actually getting
06:11murdered on a regular basis, we knew our lives were potentially at risk.
06:17There's not much you can do about it. But it's certainly, you know, from my point of view,
06:24the most important thing is it didn't affect the way I did my job. And it certainly didn't make me
06:31take a step backwards. In fact, it made me take a step forwards into the fight.
06:45There was talk in the early days that Carl Williams was a driver for the Morans.
06:51I'm not sure that that was true. He was certainly in and around the periphery of their drug trafficking.
06:58He had taken up with Roberta Williams. You may kiss your bride.
07:02Roberta had been known to us previously to the police in other relationships she'd had with
07:08other serious criminals. She was a presence and a force to be reckoned with. And, you know,
07:14I think in lots of ways, she may well have been a Lady Macbeth to Carl.
07:23I first met Carl in probably late 1999. I got the impression that he was a lower level criminal,
07:34perhaps of limited intelligence. His history indicated to us that he was not much more than
07:39a street level thug. He was a member of a local footy club. I think at various stages,
07:44he had a job stacking shelves at a supermarket. And the underworld thought of him as a bit of a
07:53loser.
07:57But there was rumours that he'd taken possession of a pill press that he refused to give back.
08:05He was manufacturing his own pills and selling them and undercutting the Morans in the market.
08:11But whatever the exact cause, there was real animosity. He was starting to emerge as a potential threat to
08:20their business and they wanted to put him back into place. The Moran family did not want this,
08:27what they saw as this upstart challenging them.
08:44Carl Williams was lured to a suburban park. He was lured there by Mark and Jason Moran.
08:52When he met with them, he was shot in the stomach with a small calibre pistol.
09:03After he was shot in the stomach, there was talk of finishing him off. But Jason was quite strong on
09:10the fact that there was money owed and they needed to collect it from him and they couldn't do it
09:15if he
09:15was dead. Carl actually went home from the shooting that day and it was actually his parents that said
09:22to him, what's going on? And little did they know that Carl had been shot. They took him to hospital
09:27and they extracted this small calibre pallet from his stomach.
09:35This really was the thing that started the underworld war as we know it now.
09:42From that moment on, Carl knew that he was in danger, but he also swore that he'd get his revenge.
09:48He swore that he would kill the Morans.
09:57Mark Ram was smarter than the others. He had the reputation and the intelligence to do a lot of things.
10:08He was also pretty tough himself. It was around about 8.30 on this particular night, we received a call.
10:16He swore that he was in danger.
10:17He swore that he was in danger.
10:22He swore that he was in danger.
10:42Following that call, he walked out to his ute
10:46and as he got into that ute, he was shot with a shotgun.
10:54Early on, there was a number of people put forward as suspects, but we did have a strong lead in
11:01terms
11:01of Carl Williams. Carl wasn't a particularly tough guy, but there was no doubt Carl Williams was dangerous
11:09and he was willing to act with violence and take out his competitors.
11:18Still to come in the Naked City.
11:20For a story that's gripped Melbourne, today provided another riveting chapter.
11:25It was just out of control.
11:29These are the people who are willing to kill their friends, their family for money.
11:34Where were we going to go from here?
11:37Carl Williams said, fasten your seatbelts.
11:42We had intelligence to suggest that his life was in danger.
11:51There's been so many murders, a special task force has been set up to catch the killers.
11:56This was the most important breakthrough that we'd had in the criminal law in Victoria for a very, very long
12:03time.
12:06It's nasty. It's lots of blood and gore.
12:10It looked like a professional head.
12:12He was the only one that I would know who could run that far in that distance. I thought it
12:18was him.
12:20That was the crime that escalated this from criminals killing criminals to a public safety issue.
12:27We had snipers all around the building.
12:29Carl moved quickly. He was giving us a message. Yes, this was me.
12:34But you're not going to be able to do anything about it.
12:42The hit on Mark Moran was first reported as the death of a local footballer.
12:48It would take time to learn it was the declaration of an underworld war that would consume Melbourne for years.
12:57Carl Williams was a nobody who wanted to be the headline act.
13:02He began recruiting a crew of hard men to carry out his plan to kill his enemies and leave him
13:08as the last man standing.
13:11His star recruit came out of the West with a reputation for being violent, efficient, merciless and utterly fearless.
13:20Before long, he became the most lethal contract killer in a gangland war that was only just getting started.
13:31In the 90s, we were seeing a number of crews emerge in the suburbs of Melbourne, and in particular, there
13:38was a crew in Sunshine that was becoming increasingly more violent, involved in shootings, robberies, and this was a crew
13:46that was becoming increasingly on the police radar.
13:54Neil Patterson is my name. I'm a former deputy commissioner with Victoria Police.
13:59You know, I arrived at Sunshine CIB in January of 1995.
14:05Andrew Veneman and Dino Dibra were regulars through the CI offices back in those days.
14:11These were two young boys who had been friends since teenagers.
14:16They come together with Paul Colapolitis, Mark Malia, and a couple of others, and they form a relationship that's going
14:23to help each of them make money out there.
14:26And they become known as the Sunshine Crew.
14:29They saw themselves as gangsters. They carried guns. They were dangerous individuals that were seen to be reckless.
14:35They were rubbing shoulders and bumping into other criminal networks across Melbourne, like the Carlton Crew, and they were becoming
14:45a much more serious criminal enterprise and causing problems.
14:52Andrew Veneman was perhaps the most dangerous. He was calculated, and he was perhaps a little bit smarter than some
15:00of the others.
15:03He was an aggressive, violent kid. He was a boxer. Tough. And through the fight game, he'd met people like
15:11Mick Gatto.
15:12He was unpredictable. He was somewhat well-connected.
15:24And as it turns out, he had no hesitation to kill some of those friends that he had from his
15:31Sunshine Crew.
15:49Andrew Veneman was the suspect in killing his mates, Paul Colapolitis and Dino Dibra.
15:57Dino Dibra's past caught up with him last night. He was shot at close range and died in the driveway.
16:03He shot him at least 14 times.
16:06When you look at something like that, you know you've got rage.
16:13You know, you see there are efficient killers. They only need to shoot once.
16:16When they're shooting excessive amount of times, that is making a statement.
16:21And that for us as police officers is a sign that we're dealing with some very dangerous people.
16:29There's an element of ego for Andrew as well.
16:32He's wanting his reputation as a hitman, as a murderer.
16:36He was someone to be feared.
16:39The other criminals in Melbourne would know that he would be prepared to do these things in a very public
16:46way.
16:46And that was absolutely the reputation he saw.
16:54Carl Williams and Andrew Veneman, they did see themselves as up and comers.
17:02At first it seemed like a strange coupling.
17:05But Carl and he ended up building quite a good friendship.
17:09Carl brought him in as part of the team.
17:13He was earning good money through the drug trafficking.
17:17And in lots of ways perhaps Carl treated him as a partner.
17:21And he enjoyed the prominence.
17:24They certainly socialised together.
17:27He was friends with Roberta. He was friends with Carl's kids.
17:31They became very close.
17:35By that stage Veneman had a reputation for violence and use of guns.
17:41And that was something that no doubt Williams thought that may be useful across the broader criminal networks.
17:51Nick Radev had a Bulgarian background, but he was known as Nick the Russian.
17:57He had a reputation for extreme violence.
18:04He wanted access to the amphetamines cook who was controlled by Carl Williams.
18:18The rumor was that Nick Radev was going to kidnap that cook and force him into slave labour to make
18:25amphetamines.
18:26He was someone to be feared and rightly so.
18:29Carl was trying to take over really much of Melbourne's drug scene at that time.
18:35And Nick was trying to stand over Carl and his crew to get access to that amphetamines cook.
18:40Of course Carl didn't want to give it up.
18:53Nick Radev had a long and violent criminal past.
18:57He lived by the sword and last night he died by the sword.
19:01A gunman fired at least seven shots, one hitting Radev in the head.
19:08After the death of Nick Radev, Venom took on a different notion for Victoria Police as a hitman for hire.
19:16And it's something that Victoria Police probably wasn't ready for back in those days in terms of his propensity to
19:23kill someone to get an outcome that he wanted.
19:26You know, murder had now become a commonplace tactic in Melbourne's underworld.
19:33It was happening far too regularly and it built the pressure on us as a police force to act.
19:41Murders in suburban streets, multiple shots fired into one victim.
19:46From my point of view, it was further evidence of the war, the growing war we were starting to deal
19:52with.
20:05It's May 2003.
20:07The bodies have been stacking up, shot, dumped or both, across laneways, car parks and cafe corners.
20:18With Benji's reputation as a gun for hire firmly set and his loyalty to Carl rock solid, the pair didn't
20:26blink at removing anyone who got between them and their growing drug empire.
20:34But even with the cash rolling in, Carl's eyes never left the Morans.
20:38The grudge was still there.
20:40And it wasn't going anywhere.
20:47So following Mark Moran's death, Jason knew he was potentially at risk.
20:53And we know he left and went to London and lived overseas for a period of time.
21:00Why he came back, I don't know.
21:02But I suspect it was because he was never going to work pulling beers in a pub in Kensington.
21:09By this time, Carl had gathered some others into his crew.
21:15Carl was obsessed with killing Jason Moran and he was very motivated to do so.
21:20He was pushing everyone to get information.
21:24And they were looking for him everywhere.
21:27And there was various times when Carl got close to him.
21:30There was a previous plot where Andrew Veneman was going to walk through a park dressed as a woman, pushing
21:36a pram and then pull a shotgun out of the pram.
21:40But ultimately, the only option they had was the fact that they knew that he took his children to an
21:47Auskick clinic at the Cross Keys Hotel every Saturday morning.
21:59On this particular day, Jason Moran took his kids to an Auskick clinic with an associate.
22:08So if you can imagine, it's a Saturday morning.
22:12There's a hundred odd kids and parents grouped around and over watching their young kids kick the football around.
22:20This is a commonplace activity in Melbourne on a Saturday morning.
22:25I think Jason Moran probably assumed that he was safe, that they wouldn't strike there.
22:40Around 10.30 in a calculated and deliberate slaying, Jason Moran and another drug figure were shot dead while children
22:48sat in the backseat.
22:55This was reasonably well planned.
22:58This seemed to be executed in a professional manner.
23:02We had some CCTV footage that was attached to the Cross Keys Hotel.
23:08It was grainy footage, but it was really telling.
23:15What it showed us is there was a white high ace van that pulled up in the car park and
23:22we could see the gunman get out of that van, run around to the driver's side door and shoot both
23:30Pasquale Barbro and Jason Moran.
23:36The gunman drops the shotgun of the scene and then he runs.
23:39He doesn't get back into the white high ace, he runs.
23:43And we know from witnesses that he runs over the creek probably about 1,500 metres before we lose sight
23:50of him.
23:56That was telling.
23:57We started to look into who Carl Williams was associating with at the time.
24:03And we'd seen that he was checked only weeks before with a guy who was known as The Runner.
24:11So The Runner is an interesting character.
24:15He spent most of his adult life in jail and it was there that he met Carl Williams.
24:20But he was a career criminal.
24:22He was an armed robbery specialist that achieved his nickname because he was notorious for running from the scenes of
24:29his armed robberies.
24:39One of the state's most wanted fugitives after jumping from a police car while being driven to the old city
24:45watch house.
24:46Detectives hope he may help shed more light on other serious crimes.
24:53He was being taken to the Moonee Ponds court and the police for some reason opened the back doors of
25:01the van and he ran.
25:06He just ran and he ran and he ran and he ran and he was on the run and he
25:10went to South Australia, Perth and then ended up in Darwin and eventually got caught in Melbourne.
25:16And that's when I hooked up with him when he was out at Pentridge.
25:23The Runner's family came to see me as the local community lawyer to ask if I would go and visit
25:30him out at Pentridge.
25:33He was a really tough man.
25:37When he was in Pentridge, he got involved in a fight.
25:41He got stabbed just above the heart.
25:44And he just kept going.
25:47He was violent.
25:49He was tough.
25:51Extremely fit.
25:52Could run like the clappers.
25:54When the two people were killed at the Auskick, I thought it was him.
26:06What we are looking at is a fairly brazen execution style double homicide.
26:13We went to the Cross Keys that morning.
26:17How did they come to know where to go, what to do?
26:22We knew that they must have committed some sort of reconnaissance in the days before.
26:27And there were some clues.
26:28We noticed there was a phone box close to the Cross Keys.
26:32And criminals in those days would use phone boxes to communicate with each other thinking that we wouldn't intercept them.
26:38So we analyzed the calls made from this particular phone box.
26:43What it told us is the guy that made the phone calls on that day rang Carl Williams, rang the
26:50runner, and then rang a third person that we didn't know.
26:54We identified that third person.
26:57We went around to his house, executed a warrant, put some pressure on him, and he gave up who'd rang
27:04him that day.
27:05Turns out, he's the guy that we now refer to as the driver.
27:21On June 20, 2003, Melbourne's gangland war stopped lurking in the shadows and stepped into full public view.
27:30Jason Moran and Pasqualee Barbara were gunned down in broad daylight in front of kids at a footy clinic.
27:37What we are looking at is a fairly brazen, execution-style double homicide.
27:42It was a professional hit and it sent a message.
27:45No one was safe.
27:47Not long after, detectives traced a phone call to the man they nicknamed the driver.
27:56The driver was a different type of criminal.
28:00He was a known burglar, a very good burglar, but he was also a known rapist and sex offender.
28:06And he was a character that, in lots of ways, was repulsive.
28:14But he was also willing to commit murders for payment.
28:18And that's where Carl utilised that particular skill that he had.
28:27Around 10.30 in a calculated and deliberate slaying, Jason Moran and another less prominent drug figure were shot dead
28:34while children sat in the back seat.
28:38The runner ran up to the side window of Jason Moran's van, fired a shot from a double-barreled shotgun.
28:47Jason Moran ducked.
28:49The first shot hit Pasqualee Barbara in the face.
28:54Killed him instantly.
28:55And the runner gets up on his toes, fires the second shot from the double-barreled shotgun into the back
29:03of Jason Moran.
29:05He drops that shotgun at the scene, pulls out a pistol, fires five more shots into Jason Moran and then
29:13runs.
29:14What's most horrific about that is there was ten kids in the back of that van.
29:22Jason Moran had invited a number of his son's friends back for hot dogs.
29:29These parents had no idea who Jason Moran was.
29:33They didn't know he had a 9mm pistol down the back of his pants.
29:38They didn't know he was in the underworld wall.
29:41They just thought their kids were going back for hot dogs.
29:47For everyone in the community, that was the crime that escalated this from criminals killing criminals to a public safety
29:56issue.
29:58Police have described the killings as callous and cold-blooded.
30:01Neighbours heard at least two shots.
30:03The latest in a series of underworld killings.
30:06Going to any lengths to control the $5 billion a year market in party drugs.
30:10We had a number of murders that occurred after Mark Moran.
30:15And it started to emerge that we had an issue.
30:17There are fears this latest murder may escalate the city's gangland killings.
30:21We are concerned about the potential for innocent people being caught up in that.
30:25This sort of flawlessness must stop.
30:29We're talking a higher rate of people being killed within the criminal underworld
30:34than Melbourne had ever seen before and hasn't seen since.
30:40There was Phil Swindells, one of our senior sergeants, that first submitted a request to build a task force
30:47to have a look at the commonalities between these murders.
30:51There's been so many murders, a special task force has been set up to catch the killers.
30:56I think it's the worst series of organised crime killings in Australia's history.
31:00Why don't you admit that you murdered my children?
31:07The pressure was on for Victoria Police.
31:09And indeed you feel quite a sense of self-imposed pressure to really make a difference.
31:15Detectives who were working on Piranha Task Force were highly motivated individuals
31:21who wanted to hold the criminals that were really causing havoc across Melbourne suburbs to account.
31:28For us, it was one of the most important investigations in Victoria Police's history
31:34and we were putting significant resources and time into it.
31:38Are these paid hits?
31:40That's one of the things we're looking at.
31:41Do you think it will keep happening?
31:43I can't rule that out.
31:47Yes, we're getting closer.
31:48Yes, we're getting further into understanding what was going on in this war.
31:53But the murders continued to occur.
31:57Mark Marley was considered part of the Sunshine crew, but he wasn't through the doors being charged by detectives
32:03at anywhere near the same rate as some of the others involved.
32:08He was part of the crew, but just at a different level.
32:12Marley was also a known associate of Radev.
32:16And he became upset after Nick Radev's murder and he was starting to make inquiries about why that occurred.
32:23And in fact, on one occasion, we had some CCTV footage of him meeting with Andrew Vetterman at Crown Casino.
32:32They'd often meet there.
32:34Not only was it neutral ground, but they did know there was cameras.
32:37So they always felt they were safe.
32:39And we have some footage of Mark Marley getting up and pointing in Andrew Vetterman's chest.
32:46And for us, that was a bit of a red flag.
32:49We thought, geez, that he may well be in danger.
32:52And it turns out we arrived.
32:59Mark Marley was lured to a house in Melbourne's north by a couple of his friends.
33:05When they arrived, laying there in wait was Andrew Vetterman, Karl Williams, and the runner.
33:13They tortured him, believing that Marley could give them access to Nick Radev's hidden precursor chemicals.
33:23He had a soldering iron put into the roof of his mouth.
33:27He was bashed repeatedly.
33:31They then put him in the boot of a car.
33:34Drove him to the western suburbs.
33:41Dumped him down a drain.
33:44And set him on fire.
33:47Police were contacted at eight o'clock last night after fire crews made the discovery.
33:52They'd been called to put out flames spotted near a fence on the sports field.
33:57It was a gruesome and pretty horrific attack on him trying to get that information they thought he had.
34:12SES volunteers joined police this morning in a line search of the sports field where the remains of the dead
34:18man were found.
34:19It's believed accelerant was used in the death.
34:22He was in a drain pit at one end of the ground.
34:27It was interesting that they drove him from the northern suburbs to the western suburbs.
34:32They dumped him in a position that was not far from Andrew Vetterman's childhood home.
34:38And for us, that was a sign that Andrew Vetterman was getting a little bit more out of control.
34:45We believed that he was giving us a message.
34:48Yes, this was me, but you're not going to be able to do anything about it.
35:00It's October 2003.
35:04In just six months, Melbourne's underworld war had racked up more bodies.
35:09Nick the Russian Radov, Mark Malia and the public execution of Jason Moran and Pasquale Barbaro in front of the
35:18kids at Auskick shocked the nation.
35:21Every killing was more brazen than the last.
35:24The city's body count was growing and so was the pressure.
35:29They needed a win and quick.
35:31The police response was to announce the Piranha Task Force.
35:37They inherited a lead from the homicide squad.
35:40A phone link to the driver of the getaway car from the Auskick shooting.
35:45It would be the golden thread.
35:51Once we identified who the driver was, we went round to his home in the southern suburbs of Melbourne and
36:01there parked in the driveway was a white hiace.
36:04That white hiace was used in the murder of Jason Moran.
36:09This was a significant breakthrough for us and we thought we're on the right track.
36:15What we did then is we commenced electronic surveillance on the driver and the runner and Carl Williams.
36:24When the Piranha Task Force was formed, there was only seven detectives.
36:29After Jason Moran, we grew to 55 and over time we built on that.
36:35By this stage, we had telephone intercepts and listening devices.
36:41Someone had to actually listen to all those hours.
36:44Teams of people were doing that.
36:46The sheer weight of numbers showed the seriousness Victoria police were taking this war.
36:53The more information we got in, we built good intelligence databases.
36:59So in lots of ways, if you had a deck of cards, we were targeting the sevens and eights so
37:04we could move our way up to the ace of spades, which was Carl Williams.
37:12We, through our web of electronic surveillance, got wind that the runner and the driver were looking for a clean
37:20car that couldn't be traced back to them.
37:24We worked hard to get an electronic device into that vehicle.
37:29Unfortunately for us, they noticed one of the brake lights wasn't working.
37:32They started going through all the wiring in the car and they found our device.
37:37We thought our job was blown.
37:40But we underestimated how desperate they were to commit this crime.
37:44So they used their own car.
37:47Little did they know that we had a listening device in that car as well.
38:02Both the runner and the driver parked down the end of Joy Street, South Yarra in a laneway.
38:10And we believed that they were actually going to commit an armed robbery.
38:14But we heard them playing with a gun.
38:18We started to think, oh my God, this might be something different.
38:23They pull into Joy Street.
38:25We hear the driver and the runner talking.
38:48And they accelerate down Joy Street and the runner says, that's him. Go, go, go.
39:02And then the runner jumps out of the car.
39:19The runner then takes off in a gap between a block of flats.
39:24And he gets back into the driver's car who's waiting for him.
39:28And you hear the driver say quite clearly, get down, get down.
39:35Get in, get down, get down.
39:38Nice and down.
39:39Stay down.
39:41And they drove from the scene.
39:44Stay down, you alright?
39:47Stay down, don't sound right, stay down.
39:53They drove straight back to the driver's house in the southern suburbs.
40:00Little did they know we had a listening device in there as well.
40:03And we overhear them getting rid of their clothes, getting rid of the gun.
40:08But most importantly, we hear a phone call where the runner calls Carl Williams and says these words,
40:17Carl, you know that horse you tipped us?
40:19It's just been scratched.
40:24Michael Marshall lived in a beautiful house in South Yarra.
40:28His business, or at least publicly known business, was a small hot dog van which he operated in South Melbourne.
40:37Marshall was a quiet achiever in terms of the drug world.
40:43But he also had access to precursor chemicals and he was willing to supply it to fuel the anivertimen market
40:50in Melbourne.
40:56He was out collecting bread rolls with his five-year-old son for that night for his hot dog van.
41:14You know, sometimes it's easy to look at, you know, that time where there were just criminals being murdered.
41:22But to do so forgets some of the collateral damage that's left behind.
41:29Marshall's five-year-old son witnessed his father's murder.
41:33He was standing on the side of the road and when the uniformed police attended,
41:39he was still standing there looking at his father and he said to the uniformed police,
41:44I'm not allowed to cross the road without holding my dad's hand.
41:48And for the police, that was just the most heartbreaking thing to come out of a five-year-old's mouth
41:55as his father lay in the gutter on the other side of the road, bleeding to death.
42:08After the call to Carl Williams, they decide they're going to meet Carl.
42:13So they get back into the driver's vehicle and they're heading down St Kilda Road.
42:21I wanted to let them run all the way to Carl Williams to get the evidence of them meeting.
42:27But it was decided that was too dangerous.
42:31The decision was made to have the SOG arrest them and that occurred outside the Elstonwick Hotel.
42:39They were blocked in by the SOG, dragged from their vehicle and it was five minutes later that I arrived
42:47to find them both handcuffed face down on the nature street.
42:53The runner tried to fight the SOG.
42:55He lost, as you'd expect.
42:57But he was angry throughout the whole evening.
43:00As is his way.
43:01He was an aggressive, violent man and he was not happy about being arrested at all.
43:07The driver, on the other hand, sensed an opportunity.
43:11He knew he was in trouble and right from that moment he was arrested.
43:14He was looking for a deal.
43:17On that night, we interviewed both the driver and the runner.
43:23The runner didn't say anything.
43:25In fact, he made a no comment interview and he was aggressive throughout the whole night.
43:30The driver did likewise, but off the record, he started to indicate he was willing to give information about Carl
43:38Williams and others.
43:39And we knew then that we had our first crack in, you know, what is loosely called the underworld code
43:46of silence.
43:51Next time in the Naked City.
43:54We just needed a breakthrough.
43:56Where were we going to go from here?
43:59The establishment, we're not going to let this occur without consequences.
44:03And it brought Mick Gatto into it.
44:08You generally don't do doings with murderers.
44:14Without the driver, they'd have a problem connecting Williams.
44:18But we could make things happen if we made a brave decision.
44:24He would be the best person to do that.
44:28You.
44:30Two murders in a week.
44:31The pressure did build and the pressure didn't stop.
44:34It was just out of control.
44:37The murder.
44:39The crime.
44:40The war.
44:42This has got to stop.
44:48That's right.
44:49Now the power.
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