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00:00You are suing for her unpaid attorney's fees.
00:03100%.
00:03He was being weird. I didn't trust it. None of it.
00:06You didn't pay a debt that you owed.
00:08I tried. Twice.
00:09To me, you're a liar.
00:10I'm sorry that you feel that way.
00:12It's not a feeling. It's a fact.
00:13He's unethical. I have it all here.
00:15He's not good people.
00:17And now you're crying in court and calling him names.
00:19Behave yourself.
00:21Where's Judy?
00:22You think you'd do any better in front of her?
00:25Now on Tribunal Justice.
00:59Thank you, Baird.
01:00You're welcome, Judge. Parties have been sworn in. You may be seated.
01:03Mr. Kirsch, you are suing the defendant for her unpaid attorney's fees,
01:07for fees incurred by her on behalf of a friend who was in need of your services in a landlord
01:13-tenant case.
01:14She called you down. She said it was urgent.
01:16You dropped everything you had. You went down to their aid.
01:19She promised to pay you, and she has now refused to do so.
01:24She owes you $300.
01:25That is a correct recitation of the facts, Judge.
01:28I'm so proud of myself. Thank you.
01:30Ms. DePrado, what you say is that you didn't expect to be charged because he was a friend,
01:35and you thought he was just going to come and give you some advice.
01:37And even if that were the case, the services were not for you.
01:41They were for your friends, so you shouldn't be obligated to pay.
01:44So you say you own nothing.
01:45Yes, ma'am.
01:46So let's start with how you ended up being called down to the courthouse.
01:51Let's begin with you.
01:53Thank you, Judge.
01:54Judge, one morning when I was on my way to work, my phone rang.
01:57It was Ms. DePrado.
01:59She was agitated, excited.
02:01She says, I need your help.
02:03She was in court with a friend of hers, a male friend, who was the subject of an eviction proceeding.
02:10So she asked if I could come right away.
02:12So I did.
02:13Paul, it's true so far.
02:14No.
02:15He told me that he had court in Rensselaer County that morning and that he wasn't going to be able
02:19to make it over.
02:20So you made it even better for him by saying that.
02:22Okay, go on.
02:23I changed my court appearances and made myself available and got to court as soon as I could.
02:28So you changed court appearances that you had in Rensselaer County in order to accommodate her request that you come
02:34down.
02:34That's correct, Judge.
02:35So you go down to the courthouse and who were you met by?
02:39I met Ms. DePrado at the courthouse and her male friend.
02:43Was there an attorney there from the opposing party in his case?
02:47Yes, there was an attorney there that was representing the apartment complex where he lived,
02:51who was prosecuting the eviction action.
02:54I talked to Mr. Prado's male friend and I asked him to explain the circumstances while he was there.
03:00He said he dated this young woman who didn't know her very well.
03:04She gained entrance to his apartment complex at a time when he was not there, proceeded to carve her initials
03:11on his door.
03:12And when that wasn't good enough, she made her way to the roof.
03:15Apparently there was a skylight in the apartment.
03:17She stripped naked, jumped through the skylight, came crashing down naked in his living room floor.
03:24Consequently, Judge, the apartment complex was suing the tenant for lease violations because of the damages to the unit.
03:31This information was given to you by her friend, however.
03:34Would that be correct?
03:35Yes.
03:36And did he give you authority to speak to the other attorney?
03:38Absolutely.
03:38Now, how do you know Ms. DePrado?
03:42Ms. DePrado and I have, we've known each other for years.
03:44How many years, if you know?
03:45I would say about five, six years.
03:47Ms. DePrado?
03:48Yeah.
03:49I have represented her on various things.
03:52We've always had a cordial relationship, Judge.
03:55And every time, I've always issued her a bill.
03:58She's always paid it.
03:59Money was never an issue.
04:01When did you tell her what she would owe you?
04:03I told her, I think shortly thereafter, this proceeding in court.
04:07Ms. DePrado.
04:08Hi.
04:08How long do you know him?
04:10Since 2018, I had a license suspension case that I had called him to, you know, infer about.
04:16He had called the court and whatever work he had to do for that.
04:18What did you do for that?
04:20Phone call, visit, what?
04:21Did you?
04:22Judge, so long ago, I don't remember.
04:24Okay.
04:24So you now call him down, and it's urgent because...
04:27I called him at around nine in the morning.
04:29I actually called him the night before, which I don't have here, but I didn't...
04:32No, you didn't say it here at all, but okay.
04:34I had, I texted, just shot him a text the night before.
04:36Hey, are you busy tomorrow?
04:37He called me.
04:38He said, yes, I'm busy tomorrow.
04:39I can't help you.
04:40Did you get a phone call for the day before for you to appear?
04:42I don't recall, Judge.
04:43I only recall that morning.
04:45So you called him the day before and said, be on standby.
04:48Basically, we might need you tomorrow.
04:50No, I asked if he was available tomorrow.
04:52He said no.
04:53So I was over it.
04:54It was fine.
04:54He was busy.
04:55He had a court at Rensselaer at nine a.m.
04:56But then you did call...
04:57Listen...
04:58At 10.30 in the morning the next morning.
04:59Do me a favor.
05:00I'm asking you some questions.
05:02I don't need you to do some of this stuff.
05:04So, you know, let's...
05:06All of my words thus far, like in this whole thing, have been manipulated by him.
05:10So I'm just...
05:10Oh, do me one favor.
05:11You got the wrong judge.
05:13No.
05:13Do not...
05:13By him, I said...
05:14...pull the fear thing on me.
05:15Do not.
05:16It's not for you.
05:17I'm sorry.
05:17It is for me.
05:18It's not.
05:19They're not even crying.
05:21Because you just told me not to.
05:23But you're not.
05:24That's why I'm telling you not to.
05:25It's phony.
05:26Okay.
05:26So let's go back to real life.
05:28Okay.
05:28So now...
05:29Real life.
05:30I called him at 10.30 in the morning because the other lawyer told me I was stupid.
05:34I want to ask you some questions.
05:35Yes, ma'am.
05:36And I can see the other lawyer being frustrated with you.
05:37I'm going to tell you right now.
05:38I understand.
05:39I think in this proceeding, you're going to be your own worst enemy.
05:41Okay.
05:41So let's go back to you.
05:42So now you call him the night before.
05:44He tells you he's busy.
05:45That morning, you don't care that he's busy.
05:47You call him anyway, and you say, can you come down?
05:49And he repeats to you that he's got these other engagements, as you pointed out,
05:53in Rensselaer County.
05:54Would that be correct?
05:55No, that's not how that happened.
05:55No.
05:56I called him at around 10.30 after it had been an hour and a half of this lawyer bullying
05:59out of me because he was my friend, and I wanted him to show up and ask me if...
06:03Or tell me if he was allowed to do this.
06:05He told me I was stupid.
06:06He was...
06:07Who's he?
06:07The other lawyer, the other attorney that he called before he showed up.
06:10Did he tell you that he wanted you to stop talking?
06:13Probably.
06:13Yeah.
06:13I would, too.
06:14I would, too.
06:15I am.
06:17Coming up on Tribunal Justice...
06:19You know what, Mr. Prado?
06:21I'm getting into something that I don't like to do as a judge.
06:23And that's arguing with somebody who doesn't know what the hell she's talking about.
06:31Attorney Lawrence Kirsch is suing former client Kaylee De Prado for $300 for legal services
06:37he rendered at her request.
06:39Kaylee claims Lawrence was doing her friend a favor, so she owes nothing.
06:43Okay, so now you make these phone calls, and you say, come down, and he says, fine.
06:50What do you say?
06:52No, he calls the other lawyer first.
06:53He spent time socializing with the other attorney.
06:56Would you consider...
06:57This whole case was...
06:57Would you consider...
06:57Would you consider, Ms. Know-it-All, would you consider...
07:00I'm not.
07:01I'm really not trying to...
07:02Please stop.
07:02This is exactly what happened the first time.
07:04No, ma'am.
07:05So stop it, then.
07:06He has a conversation with the opposing lawyer, because that's what lawyers do.
07:10They try to work something out ahead of time so that you don't have to make a court appearance.
07:15Because if they can resolve it, if the landlord would have...
07:18If he would have said, on behalf of the landlord, we'll take a few hundred dollars,
07:22your friend might have said, great, I'll pay and leave.
07:24But now, at some point...
07:26Why wouldn't he talk to me first?
07:27Because you're not the client.
07:29Oh, or him first.
07:30He never even talked to the client first, either.
07:32And again, this is not my point.
07:34This is not your issue.
07:34That's your friend's issue.
07:35And apparently, your friend doesn't have a problem with it, because he's not here.
07:39So we're going back to this bill that you say, that even though you promised you would
07:43pay him in numerous text messages...
07:45And attempted to.
07:45...that you are not going to pay him.
07:47No, he told my friend that my friend owed him $1,200.
07:50And I said, I called you as a friend.
07:52That's not true.
07:53Yeah, but...
07:53Oh, counsel, you know better than that.
07:55I don't care who you call as a friend.
07:59People get paid for their services.
08:00Yes, ma'am.
08:01Did he come down to the courthouse?
08:02Yes, ma'am.
08:03Did he come down after having other engagements that he had to change?
08:06100%, yeah.
08:07Did he speak to the other attorney?
08:08Before talking to my friend, yes, he did.
08:11So therefore, when he did do all these things, he earned a salary.
08:15Yeah, and he told me $300 versus the $1,200 because I'm a friend.
08:18Yeah, so you got the friend's discount.
08:20And so therefore, what is it?
08:22But he wanted to wait until after I left court that day to tell me it was a courtesy.
08:27Isn't a courtesy, does that not mean like...
08:29No, you...
08:30What do you do for a living?
08:31I do occupational therapy, and I'm a bartender.
08:34So if somebody says, could you do me a favor and give me a drink, you just give them drinks
08:38and just say, okay, we're friends, let me give you a drink.
08:40I'll say, Scott, yes.
08:41No, I can't.
08:41Sorry.
08:42Right.
08:42He didn't.
08:43He came down.
08:44And he didn't need to.
08:45I'm not going...
08:45You know what, Mr. Prado, I'm getting into something that I don't like to do as a judge.
08:49And that's arguing with somebody who doesn't know what the hell she's talking about.
08:51Yes, ma'am.
08:53Mr. Prado, you've known Mr. Kirsch since 2018, yes?
08:57Yes, sir.
08:57He's represented you on several different matters, yes?
09:01No, he represented me the one time for the first matter, and then he's just helped me
09:05with tickets along the way.
09:06I get it.
09:07When you found yourself in trouble and you called him, he came and helped you.
09:13He would...
09:14He didn't come anywhere, but yes, he helped.
09:16Are you a licensed occupational therapist?
09:19Assistant.
09:19I'm...
09:20I'm...
09:20Are you licensed?
09:21No.
09:22Not right now.
09:23No, sir.
09:23And if you were going to someday be licensed, you know that a misdemeanor on your record could
09:28act as a detriment to you becoming an occupational therapist.
09:32I had to deal with this.
09:33And when you went to Mr. Kirsch in the past, you were being charged with a misdemeanor, and
09:38he was able to resolve that case with less than a conviction for a misdemeanor, correct?
09:44With a misdemeanor, actually.
09:45No.
09:46Mr. Kirsch, was it less than a misdemeanor?
09:48Yes.
09:48No, it was not.
09:48Why is he lying about it?
09:50That's not true.
09:51Listen.
09:52According to your answer in this case, you say that on the morning of your friend's
09:56eviction case, the apartment complex's attorney started bullying you.
10:00That's what you said to us in your answer, right?
10:03Okay.
10:04What do you mean, okay?
10:05Is that what you said or not?
10:06That is the only reason I called Larry again.
10:08Mr. I'm not asking about that.
10:10I'm asking about what you told us, the answer that you wrote.
10:13You said that this other lawyer was berating you and calling you names.
10:17Yeah.
10:17You told us that you broke down in tears and called the plaintiff here, right?
10:22When he arrived, you say in your answer that he joined in with the opposing lawyer and
10:28they both continued to bully you.
10:31That's what you told us in your answer.
10:33Why did you just wink?
10:34Yes, he told me to shut the...
10:35Because...
10:36Why?
10:36Because the reason you're here in the state that you are is because you didn't pay a debt
10:41that you owed.
10:42Okay.
10:43You could have avoided all of it by paying 300 bucks.
10:45I tried, twice.
10:47Yeah.
10:47I showed up in his office the following Monday.
10:49We're good.
10:49Okay.
10:50And the reason you showed up in his office the following Monday...
10:53Was to give him cash?
10:54...was to give him $300 because that's what you agreed to do.
10:57Yes, sir.
10:58I told him I was going to pay him for his time.
11:00$300.
11:00Yes, sir.
11:01That's exactly right.
11:01And you never paid him, correct?
11:03I did not.
11:04I did not.
11:04And the reason that you're here crying...
11:07No.
11:07...so distraught is because you made a choice not to pay him despite multiple requests
11:15from him on November 8th, November 12th, November 14th, November 19th, November 21st, where
11:23he's saying to you in sum and substance, Kaylee, I thought you were coming down yesterday.
11:27Please don't forget about me.
11:29He says, Kaylee, I'm leaving on vacation on Friday.
11:32This is my last day.
11:34I really need the $300.
11:35Well, you know what?
11:36It's principle.
11:37I know.
11:38It's principle.
11:39And that's why I tried to give it to him four days later.
11:40And he wasn't there because he was, what, getting ready for vacation?
11:42You think that he wants to spend time chasing you down for money?
11:46You think I'm going to give him my credit card number?
11:47I don't know.
11:48What the...
11:49I got it.
11:49I got it.
11:50So, just so I'm clear.
11:53What the...
11:54Just so...
11:55Mr. Prado, listen.
11:57You got to get...
11:57I'm sorry.
11:58I just don't...
11:58No.
11:59Listen to me.
11:59This is exactly what happened the first time.
12:00We're going to go...
12:02Where's Judy?
12:02Behave yourself.
12:04Where's Judy?
12:05Where's Judy?
12:06You think you'd do any better in front of her?
12:10That's so nuts.
12:11Holy cow.
12:13Coming up on Tribunal Justice...
12:16But that's not...
12:17Like, this whole thing still didn't address...
12:19Like...
12:20I will...
12:21This is not...
12:22Yep.
12:22I'm going to let you finish with that.
12:24Ugh, yeah.
12:25Ugh, yeah.
12:30Attorney Lawrence Kirsch says former client Kaylee DePrado begged him to help her friend in court,
12:35then agreed to pay, but never did.
12:37He's suing for his fee, $300.
12:40But Kaylee claims Lawrence helped her as a friend, then bullied and humiliated her so she owes nothing.
12:46Now, if we are to believe what you told us in your sworn answer, that is that this lawyer,
12:53who, by the way, been in practice since 83, I did a little background, sir, not one disciplinary record on
13:00your bar card, right?
13:01Correct.
13:02Since 1983, you got a good one in him who drops what he does to help you out to the
13:08exclusion and to the detriment of another client.
13:11And you got a soft spot in your heart for her, so you help her out.
13:14Am I right?
13:16100%.
13:16You provided us with voicemails, right?
13:20Yeah.
13:20Voicemails that he left for you, this abusive man, who, according to your answer, told you to, quote,
13:27shut the f*** up and asked if you were stupid.
13:31That's your statement.
13:31That's why I left court that day.
13:32That's why there was this question.
13:33I got it.
13:33So now I want to hear, though, the voicemail message.
13:36Let's listen to your own evidence.
13:38This is exactly what happened the first time.
13:40You should have paid him the money.
13:41Number one, try.
13:42Larry Curse called him.
13:44I'm getting tired of chasing you.
13:46You know, you need to do the right thing.
13:48When you wanted me, I dropped everything and ran to your aid.
13:52I'd like you to pay me.
13:53Please call me with a credit card.
13:55That wasn't abusive, was it?
13:57What does that have to do with it?
13:58That was not...
13:59Yep.
13:59You promised to pay him the $300 on behalf of your friend, right?
14:03Oh, yeah.
14:04Good.
14:06Ew.
14:09Thank you, Judge.
14:10Sir, what's your hourly rate?
14:13It varies for different matters.
14:15Court time, Judge, I would charge probably $400 an hour.
14:19How long were you in court that day?
14:20About an hour and a half.
14:21Hour and a half.
14:22So, Mr. Prado, you said in response to Judge Levy that, well, he hadn't really represented
14:27me.
14:28He never stood up in court for me.
14:29Yes.
14:30If I tell you the number of times people called me, clients called me, potential clients called
14:35me and said, I think you know the lawyer on the other side.
14:37I think you know people at that firm.
14:39Can you try to make this go away?
14:41What do you think that that service is?
14:43When a lawyer picks up the phone and calls opposing counsel, you say they were socializing.
14:47Did you listen to that conversation?
14:49No.
14:50No, you did not.
14:51And, sir, the communications that you had with opposing counsel for her friend, what
14:56was your purpose of those communications?
14:58To try to help the defendant.
14:59And I explained to the other attorney, he's not legally responsible for the damages.
15:03Make it go away.
15:04Try to explain so people can come to a viable resolution without going to court.
15:09Absolutely.
15:09That's actually what most lawyers do.
15:11You're not trying to exclude her.
15:13Why would he talk to you?
15:15You're not the person in charge of prosecuting the person who you called him to go to court
15:20for.
15:21Did you call him and request that he come to court?
15:23I called him and I said, Larry, what do I do?
15:24And so when you have access to a lawyer and a lawyer says, I'm going to come to court for
15:29you, do you think there's some value in that?
15:31Yes.
15:32You, in fact, during the course of these text messages represented that you were going to
15:37pay him.
15:38And I did.
15:38You said you came to his office, but wouldn't leave it with a colleague, correct?
15:41Yes, ma'am.
15:42And then another time you said you're asking to give you a credit card.
15:45You said, I don't have money.
15:47I don't have a credit card to give you.
15:48I, no.
15:49Did you not say that?
15:50Do not make me go through these text messages.
15:52I wrote, I'm texting so my words cannot be manipulated.
15:54No, no, I am, no.
15:56Meaning he was shady, so.
15:56No, I need you.
15:58You are very deliberately.
16:00Based on the evidence, yes.
16:01You are very deliberately avoiding the question.
16:04You were right, because you're right, you're right, yes.
16:05Yes, I am right.
16:06Yes, you were right.
16:06Because I wasn't giving it to him via credit card.
16:08I had cash.
16:09So if he can't meet with me, how was he supposed to get this money?
16:12So what is the harassment?
16:13Because you say that.
16:14Just because he called me every single day for a month and a half.
16:16Because you did not pay him.
16:18Okay, but harass, like, then sue me.
16:20Then do this.
16:21Bring me to small claims.
16:22And he did.
16:22And here I am.
16:23And in fact, when he said he was going to bring you to small claims, you said, oh, what?
16:26I said nothing.
16:27Is that a threat?
16:27I said nothing.
16:28No, at one point.
16:29I didn't say that.
16:29You accused him of threatening you.
16:31Because the text before that was drunken.
16:32There was, like, drunken super text messages.
16:34I don't trust.
16:34He was being weird.
16:35I didn't trust any of it.
16:37None of it.
16:38He wanted me to meet with him, but then he wasn't at the office.
16:40But then he only wanted me to go there when he was there.
16:42No, no, listen, listen, listen, listen.
16:44I think that there is something that's remarkably unfair about calling someone to perform a service for you.
16:51And what you said just now, to me, is really indicative of your approach to how much you devalued his
16:57time.
16:58You said, just sue me.
16:59I just wanted him to have my back.
17:00How much time have you spent preparing for this lawsuit?
17:03Too much.
17:04Too much.
17:05Just give me a sense.
17:06Give me a sense.
17:07About four hours.
17:08Let's just say if you spent four hours going to court for a client, how much money might you have
17:12made?
17:14Thousands.
17:15And you're suing here for what?
17:16$300.
17:18That's correct, Judge.
17:19On principle.
17:21Because you may be upset.
17:22You may throw out things, ma'am, like suggesting you're being harassed and bullied there and here.
17:26It's not even that I'm being harassed.
17:27I would have given him the money.
17:28All I've seen is that literally you've comported yourself in this proceeding in ways that would have gotten other people
17:33thrown out, kicked out of court, or locked up.
17:35And now you're crying in court and calling him names.
17:38Because he's not good people.
17:40It's not good.
17:41But I do see that you do feel like you are entitled somehow to express yourself, ignore the questions, get
17:48people to do work for you, and not pay them.
17:51But then you want to kind of put the cherry on top by casting aspersions on his ethics and his
17:56business.
17:56He's unethical.
17:57I have it all here.
17:58No, no, no, no.
17:59I'm going to stop you.
18:00Okay.
18:01And I don't defend all lawyers.
18:02Some of them are unethical.
18:04There's nothing in this record to suggest he's been unethical.
18:08Stop it.
18:09Dude.
18:09I'm done.
18:10Nothing further.
18:11You said right here, yes, he's unethical.
18:14You show me what you have, because to me, you're a liar.
18:17I want to see what you're talking about.
18:18I'm sorry that you feel that way.
18:19Okay.
18:20No, no.
18:21Don't.
18:21I don't feel sorry for feeling that way, because it's not a feeling.
18:23It's a fact.
18:24So let's see what you got there.
18:27I don't.
18:28You don't.
18:28I know you don't.
18:29You just talk.
18:30I know.
18:31It's what I think every day.
18:32But that's not, like, this whole thing still didn't address, like, I will, this is not.
18:38Yeah.
18:39I'm going to let you finish with that.
18:41Yeah.
18:41Yeah.
18:42Can I say to you, I don't know why anybody in the world would represent you, and we're
18:46done now.
18:47We're going to retire you to deliberate.
18:48Clearly, I'm a good person, and this is all, why, why would you represent me for years
18:53if I'm such a terrible person?
18:55Ma'am, ma'am, you need to stop.
18:56Please don't engage her.
18:57Yeah.
18:58The court now stands in recess.
19:00This case will be recalled.
19:01Parties are excused.
19:10He responded to her.
19:11If we want to take it by her story, after three phone calls, because she kept demanding
19:16that he come down, but if we give him credit for his, she called that morning once where
19:20he told her he was busy.
19:21Second time, he said, OK, fine, because she was so stressed like this, and he wanted to
19:25help her.
19:25He spoke to the lawyer, like we all agree a lawyer should do, speak to one another, see
19:31if you could resolve it.
19:32Never had to file a notice of appearance in the courtroom because they were going to
19:36just discuss it further.
19:38And he told her that it was $300.
19:41She repeatedly told him, I'll pay you, I'll pay you.
19:44I'm coming down with crazy reasons why she can't.
19:46Her appearance in here speaks for itself.
19:48The man earned far more than $300 dealing with her, and he should get it.
19:53You know, sometimes you just have to, you know, put people's feet to the fire.
19:57I mean, he's lost more time, more business by this nonsense, but he's a man of principle,
20:05and he just wasn't going to let her get away with the $300.
20:08So I give him credit for coming.
20:10I believe that she owes him that full $300.
20:13I don't think she understands the privilege it is to have a lawyer at your disposal who
20:18you can call who will show up in court for you that day.
20:22I don't think she quite gets the service that he provided her and just being available on
20:27that time frame.
20:28She said she would pay him.
20:29She reiterated that she would pay him in his text messages.
20:32And, you know, to your point, yeah, I know exactly why he's here.
20:35Sometimes you've got to demonstrate to folks that you will spend your own time, lose some
20:40money, just so it doesn't happen again.
20:42And sometimes you just need to make a statement so the other clients know that when you show
20:46up in court and try to help them do something, then you're entitled to be paid for those services.
20:51I think he's been more than gracious with her and generous, and I'm glad we're all on board.
21:00Court is back in session.
21:01Parties are reminded you're still under oath.
21:03Thank you, Byrd.
21:05You know, as a former New York State Supreme Court justice, I was happy to have attorneys
21:10such as yourself appear before me, prepared, respectful, courteous, professional.
21:16And leopards don't change their spots.
21:19So the way you appeared here was as professional as you were in your prior proceedings with this
21:26defendant and I'm sure her friend's case as well.
21:30And so that makes all attorneys proud to be who they are and to represent.
21:36You, ma'am, are a taker and a user and a blamer and a name caller.
21:41You want to mar this man's reputation in this courtroom for problems you created.
21:47Like I said, the leopards don't change their spots.
21:50Yep.
21:51Your persona, your appearance in here, your demeanor in here is completely consistent with, I believe,
21:56how you've behaved throughout your relationship with both this attorney and your friend's attorney,
22:01which is why he called you the names that he did based on your out of control behavior.
22:08So we unanimously found, sir, that you were entitled to the $300 that you've asked for.
22:13Thank you very much.
22:14It's a unanimous verdict of the court, $300.
22:18Thank you, judge.
22:19This case is now concluded.
22:20Bodies are excused.
22:21Step out.
22:25It's just another example of, like, lawyers being in positions where I'm in judges.
22:30I can't win.
22:31And that's okay.
22:32As the judge said, a leper doesn't change its spots.
22:35Court makes me uncomfortable as it is.
22:37So I think that should have been taken into accountability.
22:40But it's okay.
22:41My real feeling is I shouldn't be here.
22:43I can't control what...
22:45I can't control what people say and what they're...
22:49I don't know.
22:49My intentions were good.
22:50She just doesn't get it.
22:52I am done with you.
22:54No, I'm not even done with the...
22:55I'm...
22:55I'm done with this.
22:57I think we've said it all.
22:59Did someone break an agreement?
23:01Let tribunal justice decide your case.
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