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00:08This was a cold and calculated murder.
00:16There's always a breaking point in an investigation.
00:24The timeline of events didn't add up.
00:32It was crucial we supported our family contact.
00:49This was just such a tragedy.
00:52A family who have lost a young son, a brother, as a result of a stab wound.
01:01A few days before, it was Christmas and we were happy.
01:05And then the next time I see him, he's lying on a slab in the mortuary.
01:12It was literally over nothing, just the senselessness of it will always stay with me.
01:18You never get any worse news than your child being murdered.
01:23That was me and my lot of destroyed forever.
01:34I first met the Fisher family when I was informed by the duty inspector at around 1pm in the afternoon
01:41that 23-year-old Cody Fisher had been murdered during a night out.
01:46From that moment, I became their point of contact in a murder investigation.
01:51My name is Lisa Taylor.
01:53I was a police family liaison officer, often referred to as a FLO with West Midlands Police.
01:59When I went into the office, I was approached by the inspector at that time,
02:03who advised me that there was a murder case in,
02:08and asked if I would be the family liaison officer to provide support for the family.
02:13The role of a FLO to a murder investigation is absolutely critical.
02:19Working with the family, getting the trust of the family,
02:23to bring information back from the family, you know, that may be crucial to the investigation.
02:29Usually to give a death message would be our first task as an FLO,
02:34but in this case, it wasn't.
02:37All that we knew at this time was that a young man had been stabbed.
02:42It was upsetting to hear, and I knew that because of his age,
02:47it would be upsetting as a family, because ultimately they've lost a son.
02:58I received a phone call just before midnight on the 26th of December 2022
03:04to say that there had been a murder in the Crane nightclub in Birmingham.
03:07My name's Michelle Thurgood.
03:10I was a detective inspector serving on the West Midlands Police Major Crime Unit.
03:15A male had been stabbed and tragically had died at the scene.
03:20I was told that the Crane is a nightclub in a warehouse building,
03:26that over 2,000 people were present in the nightclub.
03:29My initial thoughts were 2,000 people.
03:34That's going to be quite difficult to find out who is responsible.
03:39So one of my roles as SIO is to deploy family liaison officers.
03:45PHONE RINGS
03:47Hello, DC Taylor.
03:49DC Lisa Taylor was the lead family liaison officer.
03:54Oh, a stabbing in a nightclub?
03:56A role that you couldn't do without as a senior investigating officer.
04:00How many victims?
04:02They are your conduit between yourself, the investigation, and families.
04:08PHONE RINGS
04:17When I arrived at the Crane, I walked through a door,
04:21which took me into just a vast expanse of a big, huge, grey, empty building.
04:30Very bare and sort of barren.
04:34The victim was still on the floor, obviously, where he had fallen after he'd been stabbed.
04:40It was clear that he had suffered some sort of catastrophic injury that had caused a lot of blood loss.
04:48The victim was Cody Fisher, and he was 23 years old at the time of his death.
04:54My key thoughts are, who's responsible?
04:58Where are they?
05:00Who are they?
05:00These are people who are not afraid to stab somebody in a nightclub full of 2,000 people.
05:07I need to identify and detain them as soon as possible.
05:11PHONE RINGS
05:16The first 24 hours of the investigation, it's crucial to secure and preserve evidence.
05:22Things left at the crime scene by the offenders.
05:26You know, looking around the floor of the place, there was what I would describe as rubbish absolutely everywhere.
05:33So, you know, in amongst all of that, would there be any clues, any evidence?
05:37So very challenging in terms of, in my head, the sheer numbers who had been in there,
05:42and the vastness and the area surrounding where the incident had happened.
05:48In terms of Cody himself, obviously, he could contain forensic evidence that could link us to the suspects.
05:56The knife that had been used to stab the victim had been left in situ by the person who had
06:03stabbed him in his side in the stab wound,
06:06and was removed by the paramedics who tried to render first aid.
06:142,000 people were in that club.
06:17How do I track those people down?
06:20Did you see anything?
06:22Can you provide any witness statements?
06:24Have you got any mobile phone footage?
06:27Please get in touch with the police.
06:29Cody was at the nightclub with a number of his friends.
06:33A lot of those friends, and in particular his girlfriend, were in very close proximity to him.
06:38So his girlfriend, Jess, and numerous of his friends became significant or key witnesses.
06:54Due to the fact that Cody was at the crane with his girlfriend and friends,
07:00his mum actually knew and was at the crane nightclub before I even arrived.
07:08I'm Tracey Fisher, and I'm the mother of Cody Fisher.
07:12It was 11 minutes past 12, and my phone was ringing.
07:16So I answered the phone, and she just said to me calmly,
07:24Tracey, Tracey, you need to get dressed.
07:28Stephen's on his way for you.
07:32Cody's been stabbed.
07:35I can just remember, I was just hysterical down the phone, cut the phone off, threw some clothes on,
07:44and then the next minute, Stephen pulled up, got in the car, run out to him.
07:50Stephen just blasted all the way, basically, to Birmingham.
07:56My name's Stephen, and I'm Cody Fisher's brother.
08:01My mum was just...
08:03My mum was just screaming the whole way.
08:07And I was just...
08:09I was trying to calm her, but I knew this was real life.
08:14And I was trying to drive at the same time.
08:16So my phone rang again, and I was just shouting down, screaming down the phone to Danny,
08:21saying, which hospital are you there?
08:23And he said, yeah, we're here.
08:26And then Danny said, Trace, it's too late.
08:31He's passed away.
08:37I know.
08:43I just screamed at him, said, he can't be, he can't be, they'd be taking him to hospital.
08:49And I'm screaming, and Stephen, just that look on his face, he knew that that was me,
08:55and my life was destroyed forever.
09:01I just remember pulling up.
09:03The police officer was, um...
09:06I could see that he'd been crying.
09:09He just looked at me, and he couldn't even get his words out.
09:12I was just shouting for some answers.
09:17I was just begging him to let me in, to be with him, and they said,
09:21you can't be, because the forensics, and it's got to be kept isolated.
09:33Until the forensics get there.
09:36I could remember seeing loads of people, familiar faces, I could see Cody's friends,
09:41everything was just a blur.
09:43There was that many police, police everywhere, and then, like, they wouldn't let us in.
09:49They wouldn't let us in.
09:51I just don't think any of us wanted to believe that it was actually real.
09:55I just remember the paramedics leaving, and I knew then, I knew that it was too late.
10:03The paramedics were getting into their, into their ambulance, and there was no sign of, no sign of my son.
10:17I felt as I walked in that it wasn't going to be easy to go into the family, being hours
10:24later,
10:25with them already knowing that Cody had died.
10:28And I was aware that there may have been tension towards the police.
10:34This first 24, 36 hours is extremely challenging for a family liaison officer.
10:41You are going into a family at the worst possible time in their lives.
10:45In the midst of someone's absolute pain and agony, you might be on the back of their anger.
10:50I think it is a very hard job.
10:53Here are these people in my house that don't know the first thing about us.
10:58You don't know me, you don't know my family, you don't know that we're just a normal, a normal family.
11:05And Cody was, was a really, you know, he was a really lively lad.
11:16Michelle advised on what we could actually tell the family.
11:20And in this case, it was that Cody had died from a single stab wound
11:26and that we had offenders outstanding.
11:30And that was all that we could say really had happened at this particular moment in time for them
11:35because that was all that we actually knew.
11:39I remember them coming into the lounge and introducing themselves
11:44and saying, you know, what their role was and that they would be with me, you know,
11:50every step of the way now, to which they was, to be fair.
11:56I remember them both hugging me
12:00and I just felt that straight away that they were both really sincere.
12:05You want the family to put the trust in, in the police and into the investigation.
12:11And I feel like the only way that you can do that is to go into a family with an
12:18open mind
12:19to try and put them at ease that we are here for them.
12:23The investigation is about them and their loved one that they've lost.
12:31From when I walked into the house, I could tell that the Fisher family were quite a close family.
12:37We try and gather from them information that we can about the victim.
12:50Cody came along September 99 and was just a joy right from the start as a baby.
12:58He was just easy.
13:00He was contented.
13:02He was happy.
13:03And he was really chilled right from the offs.
13:07He would just kick this ball with his left foot right from, like, 11 minutes out.
13:12As soon as he could walk and control it, and we knew then that he'd got a talent.
13:18Cody's whole growing up upbringing was football, football, football.
13:25From, like, four years old, he was playing football, football matches, football training,
13:31all around the country, really.
13:34So, so athletic, really fast, amazingly fast runner.
13:40I don't think anybody ever beat him.
13:42And just a joy, just an absolute inspiration.
13:46We're the complete opposite, but it worked really well.
13:51We never, ever, ever fell out, you know, whole life.
13:57One particular funny story.
13:59He was so grounded.
14:00He was due to play in the FA Cup.
14:02And I remember going into his bedroom and saying,
14:05Cody, wake up.
14:06Come on, I'm going to work now.
14:08Can you empty the dishwasher?
14:10And he's like, I'm playing in the FA Cup today.
14:13And I said, yeah, but you'll play better if you empty the dishwasher first.
14:18And he laughed and he went, of course, Mum, of course, I'll see you later.
14:23Love you.
14:23And he did, bless him.
14:26Yeah, he was just, just an absolute joy.
14:29Yeah, we really were best friends.
14:33No one was like Code.
14:35He's just a special person.
14:46On the day that the family were going to see Cody,
14:50I would have arrived about half an hour earlier
14:54to go into the mortuary, speak to the staff
14:57and generally take a look at the victim.
15:01But ultimately, it'd be Tracy who would identify Cody.
15:06I do find that families are very nervous
15:10before they come in and they view a loved one
15:13because you don't know what's going to happen.
15:16I went to the hospital
15:18and they were there waiting for us at the hospital.
15:21I spoke to Tracy and explained that Cody is in the next room,
15:27explained that he will be under a blanket,
15:30but that Cody looked at peace.
15:33Without them doing that,
15:39it would have been even more horrendous than what it was.
15:43I remember them taking me down to the mortuary.
15:50Yeah, Cody was just lying there as we were sleeping.
15:55Like he did in his bed, peacefully asleep.
16:02And, yeah, it's the hardest thing ever that you'll ever do as a mother
16:09to go and witness that.
16:15It was really, really emotional.
16:17Very, very upsetting.
16:19And it's upsetting for us as a family liaison officer
16:23to see that the family, you know,
16:26are just an outpouring of emotion and seeing their loved one.
16:30It's like this is all a bad dream,
16:34but every day you realise it's not, in fact, a dream,
16:38it's real life.
16:40A few days before, it was Christmas and we were happy
16:43and, you know, he's just going out for an afternoon event
16:49with his girlfriend.
16:50And then the next time I see him,
16:52he's lying on a slab in the mortuary.
17:03The post-mortem was able to tell us
17:06that Cody had got two stab wounds,
17:09a significant stab wound to his chest
17:12that had pierced his heart
17:13and that that was, in fact, the injury
17:16that had caused him significant blood loss
17:18and caused his death.
17:20He had another small stab wound to his leg.
17:23The forensic pathologist was also able to stay in their belief
17:26that the knife had been put in with some considerable force.
17:31If he'd gone in any other direction,
17:32he'd have probably survived.
17:34Unfortunately, because of the force
17:36and where he was stabbed, you know,
17:39it killed him virtually instantly.
17:41The weapon that was used was what's called a combat knife,
17:46about six-inch in blade.
17:48Not a knife that anybody needs to have,
17:51you know, not a kitchen knife,
17:51if not a knife that you would use
17:53in your normal daily business.
17:56Unfortunately, because the knife was left within Cody,
17:59it was swamped with his blood and his DNA.
18:02So the knife was not able to tell us anything
18:06in terms of who might be responsible.
18:11In the Crane nightclub,
18:12I knew that if they had CCTV,
18:14what CCTV they had would be absolutely crucial.
18:17I spoke with the manager of the premises
18:20who explained, yes, there was actually very good CCTV.
18:25As soon as a CCTV coordinator came in
18:28in the early hours of the morning,
18:30I would brief that coordinator
18:31so they could start to see Cody's movements
18:34throughout the evening,
18:36try and ascertain who might be responsible,
18:38where do they come and go,
18:40what do they do within the nightclub,
18:42where do they go within the nightclub.
18:44It was a very, very complex
18:46and long and challenging CCTV trawl.
18:54I would go and visit Tracey
18:56and tell them updates
18:59and that continued for months.
19:02Even if there wasn't any specific update,
19:05just to telephone her,
19:06just to say, we're still here,
19:08we're still investigating it,
19:09there's a whole team
19:10and we're still,
19:11we're not concentrating on anything else,
19:13we are just solely investigating
19:16the death of Cody.
19:18We were getting lots of phone calls,
19:20from family members
19:22who were clearly very upset
19:23into the office,
19:25you know,
19:26wanted us to move quicker,
19:27wanted to know
19:28why we weren't doing certain things
19:29and Lisa had to manage all of that,
19:32which is no mean feat
19:34and is a very difficult task
19:37and she did it really, really well.
19:39She was my main,
19:40my main support
19:42through all of that.
19:43She just got it
19:44and,
19:47and like I say,
19:48I really felt her,
19:49her sincerity all along.
19:52She kept me updated all the time
19:54so without them,
19:56I don't know,
19:57I don't know what I would have done.
20:04So there was information
20:05that came from the family
20:07that something had happened
20:10on the Christmas Eve
20:12at a place called Pop World
20:14in Solihull.
20:15They'd spent around a couple of hours
20:17in Pop World,
20:18drinking,
20:19dancing,
20:20just generally in the club
20:22as you would do.
20:23It's a really small place
20:26and it was Christmas Eve
20:28so it was rammed.
20:29They started to make their way
20:31out of the club
20:32and the line of people
20:35walking towards the exit
20:36came to a halt.
20:37They'd pushed into a person
20:38who had stood still.
20:40And he just retaliated
20:42in such an aggressive,
20:45demanding way
20:46to Cody
20:47that he was just really
20:49taken aback by it.
20:50He's just,
20:52what the hell?
20:53I chose to ignore him
20:55and they just carried on
20:57heading for the door
20:58and that was it really.
21:00And then when he got in,
21:01I asked him
21:02how he's not had been.
21:04And then he just said,
21:06oh gosh,
21:06I just had an altercation
21:08with somebody
21:10that was just,
21:11you know,
21:12just,
21:12just vile
21:14and aggressive
21:15and for nothing,
21:17over nothing,
21:18basically.
21:19so when the
21:22family liaison officers
21:23came out,
21:24I just told them
21:25word for word
21:26what Cody and I discussed.
21:28I just got,
21:29I've just got a horrible feeling
21:30that it could be
21:31something to do with them.
21:32There was other information
21:33which had come from
21:35a friend of Cody
21:37to say that
21:40the person
21:41who was,
21:42who was in Pop World
21:45was also
21:45at the crane that night.
21:47That allowed me to do
21:49was to set some further actions
21:50around CCTV
21:52from Pop World.
21:54You know,
21:55could I ascertain
21:55any imagery
21:57of the altercation
21:59that we believed
22:00took place.
22:01So that's why
22:02the family liaison role
22:03is vital really
22:04because with the family
22:06trusting us
22:07with that information,
22:09we were then able
22:10to insert that
22:11into the investigation,
22:13you know,
22:14and it become
22:15an integral part of it.
22:18PHONE RINGS
22:27Cody's funeral
22:28was 31st of January,
22:3023,
22:31so five weeks after
22:34we'd lost him.
22:36I still don't believe it now,
22:38so I didn't,
22:39I couldn't believe it on the day.
22:42It was the actual day.
22:44Started off
22:45at my mum's house.
22:48I remember
22:50being told
22:51that the, um,
22:54the horse and carriage
22:55was, was on its way.
22:59With Cody,
23:00it was on its way.
23:01He was on his way
23:03down the road,
23:04so we all went outside
23:05to, to greet him,
23:07um,
23:08and then went down
23:09to the church.
23:10The lads were all there
23:12then to,
23:13to lift Cody's coffin
23:15and I was walking behind.
23:17I couldn't even tell you
23:18he was there.
23:19I just remember
23:20that the church
23:21was packed,
23:21people were standing,
23:22sitting,
23:23there was,
23:24there was,
23:24there was hundreds there.
23:26I gave him the, um,
23:28the best send-off
23:29that I could give him,
23:30possibly have given.
23:38One of Cody's friends
23:39came forward
23:40and said,
23:41after the incident
23:42on Christmas Eve,
23:44a person he knew
23:45by the name of Remy Gordon
23:47had sent him
23:48a photograph.
23:50In that photograph
23:51was
23:52a number of males,
23:55one of those males
23:56being Cody
23:58and Gordon had asked
23:59the friend,
24:01um,
24:02who is this little
24:03pipsqueak?
24:04And then he put,
24:05due to shank him up,
24:07which shank him up
24:08from our understanding
24:09was stab him.
24:14I was asked
24:15to view
24:16the footage
24:17from Pop World.
24:18We knew
24:19what, uh,
24:21Cody and Dan
24:22looked like.
24:23I identified them
24:24as coming in
24:25and then
24:26continued to
24:27view them
24:28on the CCTV
24:29all around
24:31the club.
24:32I would say
24:33that it took me
24:34around about
24:35four to six weeks
24:37just because
24:38of the amount
24:39of cameras
24:39that were
24:40in the building.
24:43We were able
24:44to pinpoint
24:44the altercation
24:46that took place
24:47between Cody
24:49and who we now
24:50know is Remy Gordon.
24:51So that footage
24:52shows a line
24:53of people
24:54trying to exit.
24:55It shows a male
24:56stop still
24:57and, uh,
24:58do a high five
24:58or do a handshake
25:00with another male,
25:00which has caused
25:01the line behind him
25:02to, uh,
25:04stop
25:04and people
25:05to push into him.
25:06Uh,
25:07and, and that was,
25:08uh,
25:08Cody and Dan.
25:09Unfortunately,
25:10they bumped into
25:12Remy Gordon.
25:13He took some sort
25:14of offense at that,
25:16tried to get Cody
25:17to go outside
25:18and, you know,
25:19have a straightener.
25:20Uh,
25:21Cody dismissed him
25:22and virtually
25:23straight away left,
25:25had nothing more
25:26to do with him.
25:28It was a couple
25:29of seconds.
25:30It just looked
25:30to me like
25:32it was people
25:33trying to exit
25:34a really busy club.
25:35so it,
25:36it was just,
25:37it was just
25:38a nothing,
25:39really.
25:39It must happen
25:40so many times
25:41in so many places.
25:42It was just
25:43nothing.
25:49Gordon managed
25:50to ascertain
25:51that Cody
25:52was going to be
25:53at the Crane
25:53nightclub
25:54on the 26th.
25:56Part of the
25:57CCTV coordinator's
25:59role
25:59is to track
26:00each of the
26:02potential suspects
26:03when they leave
26:04the Crane.
26:05They were able
26:06to track
26:07firstly Remy Gordon
26:09to the pizza shop
26:11and then later
26:12another male,
26:13can I carpenter,
26:14to the same pizza shop?
26:16A conversation,
26:17whilst there's no audio,
26:19clearly takes place
26:20between Remy Gordon
26:21and the male
26:22he's with
26:22and it appeared
26:24that the actions
26:26that Remy Gordon
26:27was carrying out
26:28was actually him
26:30reliving,
26:32recreating
26:32what had happened
26:34in the nightclub,
26:35somebody falling backwards,
26:36the kicking,
26:37exactly what had gone on.
26:41We also had a witness
26:44that came forward.
26:45He was actually
26:46a friend of
26:47Gordon and Carpenter.
26:49he told us
26:51that he was
26:51given a lift home
26:52after the stabbing
26:54and that
26:54Cammy Carpenter
26:55told him
26:56that he was
26:57responsible
26:58for the stabbing.
27:06I was happy
27:07that I had got
27:08enough evidence
27:09based on the CCTV
27:10and from what
27:11witnesses had told me
27:13to be able to
27:14raise Cammy Carpenter
27:15and Remy Gordon
27:16to suspect status
27:18and then
27:19obviously start
27:19to look for them
27:20in what the police
27:21call a manhunt.
27:23My concern
27:24at this point
27:24was I had no idea
27:26where they were.
27:27They clearly
27:28had no worries
27:29about carrying a knife.
27:32They clearly
27:32had no worries
27:33about carrying out
27:34such a horrific attack
27:35in a public place.
27:37So to arrest them
27:38as soon as possible
27:39for public safety
27:40and for Cody's family
27:42was, you know,
27:43top priority.
27:44By raising someone
27:45to a suspect
27:46and putting him
27:47on the police
27:47national computer
27:48was wanted,
27:49that creates
27:50a number of alerts
27:52with airports,
27:54ports, seaports,
27:55anywhere where somebody
27:56could leave the country.
27:58Pammy Carpenter,
27:59he decided
28:01to book a flight
28:02to Jamaica
28:03along with other
28:04family members.
28:05One could only presume
28:07to evade the police
28:08in any capture.
28:10So I received a call
28:11from Heathrow Airport
28:13to say
28:13it flagged on their computer
28:16that somebody
28:17who was wanted
28:18for murder
28:19had in fact
28:20was due to board
28:21a flight.
28:22Carpenter was staying
28:24along with some
28:24of his other relatives
28:25at a location
28:26in London
28:28and when they left
28:29that location
28:30with an intention
28:31to travel
28:32to the airport
28:32they were arrested
28:34by officers
28:35from the Metropolitan Police
28:36and from
28:37West Midlands Police.
28:38Being arrested
28:39and suspicious
28:39in the murder
28:40that's what I'm fortunate
28:41to do
28:41at 8.30.
28:44Manhunt for Remy Gordon
28:45was more traditional
28:47policing tactics
28:48to identify
28:49where somebody might be
28:50try to locate them
28:52where their phones
28:53might be
28:53that type of
28:55investigation.
29:06That's obviously
29:07a big breakthrough
29:08for us
29:08in the case
29:09and something
29:10which the family
29:11need to be informed
29:11about.
29:12As soon as they
29:13were caught
29:14I was called
29:15straight away.
29:17Just relieved.
29:18Obviously
29:19very dangerous
29:20individuals.
29:22So yeah
29:23the relief
29:24and imagine
29:25if he had
29:27been able
29:27to escape
29:28the country.
29:29So the relief
29:30was just
29:31immense.
29:35One's
29:36suspects
29:36are in custody
29:37first steps
29:39within the
29:39custody environment
29:40is to ascertain
29:42the course of action
29:43for interviews.
29:49Generally
29:50it's a case
29:51of getting
29:51an account
29:51off them
29:52do they
29:52change
29:53their story
29:54do they
29:54put any
29:55version of
29:56events
29:56forward.
29:57In this case
29:58Remy Gordon
29:59answered
30:00no comment
30:01to all
30:02the questions
30:02that were
30:03put to him
30:03in every
30:04interview.
30:04Cammie Carpenter's
30:06interview was
30:07very much
30:07the same
30:08as Remy
30:08Gordon's
30:08interview
30:09in terms
30:10of he
30:10also
30:10said
30:11no comment.
30:13So frustrating
30:14when they
30:14don't talk
30:15to you
30:15but never
30:16unexpected.
30:17Once
30:18Remy Gordon
30:19had been
30:20arrested
30:20along with
30:21some others
30:21and their
30:22phones
30:23were
30:23downloaded
30:24and looked
30:25into
30:25there was
30:26a lot
30:26of conversation
30:27that took
30:29place
30:29on Snapchat
30:30after the
30:3224th
30:33into the
30:3325th
30:34into the
30:3526th
30:36and then
30:36into the
30:3727th
30:39so
30:39slowly going
30:41through those
30:42conversations
30:42and trying to
30:43piece together
30:44what they were
30:45talking about
30:46and how
30:47they were
30:48implicating
30:49themselves
30:49or not
30:50in those
30:51conversations
30:51was absolutely
30:52key to
30:53building the
30:53picture of
30:54evidence
30:54against
30:56particularly
30:56Remy Gordon
30:57and Kamai
30:57Carpenter.
30:59It's crucial
31:00that before
31:02they even
31:03go to the
31:03crane
31:03that there
31:04was a
31:04conversation
31:05going on
31:05between
31:06Remy Gordon
31:07and Kamai
31:07Carpenter
31:08where they're
31:09talking about
31:09the security.
31:11Carpenter
31:12is talking
31:12about
31:13would you
31:13be able
31:14to get
31:14a weapon
31:14in?
31:15Remy's
31:15already
31:16in the
31:16crane
31:16by now
31:17and he's
31:18saying
31:18essentially
31:18the security
31:19is really
31:20poor.
31:23The Snapchat
31:24conversations
31:25that took
31:25place
31:26made it
31:26clear
31:26that they
31:27knew
31:27exactly
31:28what had
31:28gone
31:28on
31:29exactly
31:29what had
31:30happened
31:30and that
31:32once they
31:32knew that
31:32Cody was
31:33in fact
31:33dead
31:34they tried
31:35to distance
31:36themselves.
31:37Gordon
31:37starts
31:38talking
31:38about
31:39Kamai
31:40Carpenter
31:41and heavily
31:42suggesting
31:43that he's
31:43responsible
31:44that he
31:45should take
31:45the blame
31:46starts to
31:47try and
31:48distance
31:48himself
31:48from what's
31:49gone on
31:50but it's
31:50very very
31:51clear
31:52that he
31:52was party
31:53to it.
31:54Lisa was
31:55made aware
31:56by friends
31:57and family
31:58of Cody
31:59that there
31:59was a
32:00video
32:00circulating
32:01and while
32:02that footage
32:02didn't show
32:03the actual
32:04stabbing
32:05what that
32:06showed at
32:07close proximity
32:08was the group
32:10that had now
32:10been identified
32:11by my CCTV
32:12coordinators
32:13as what I
32:14called the
32:14suspect group
32:15so Gordon
32:17Carpenter
32:18and friends
32:19you see them
32:20go towards
32:20Cody
32:21and his group
32:22you see
32:23quite clearly
32:24a headbutt
32:25from Kamai
32:26Carpenter
32:27to Cody
32:28you see a
32:29scuffle
32:30and then you
32:30see Cody
32:31on the floor
32:31what you also
32:33see is
32:33Remy Gordon
32:34kicking him
32:34so we will say
32:36he's probably
32:37already dead
32:37at this point
32:38yet still Gordon
32:39kicks him
32:40whilst he's
32:41on the floor
32:45so following
32:46obviously the
32:47conclusion of
32:48the interviews
32:48and being able
32:49to present
32:49all of the
32:50evidence to
32:50the Crown
32:51Prosecution
32:51Service
32:52they decided
32:53that Remy
32:54Gordon
32:55and Kamai
32:55Carpenter
32:56should be
32:56charged
32:57with murder
33:00once they'd
33:01finished
33:02questioning
33:02I was then
33:03informed
33:04straight away
33:04that they'd
33:05been charged
33:05just relieved
33:09I remember
33:10getting calls
33:11from Lisa
33:12like late
33:13at night
33:14so it didn't
33:15matter what
33:15time of the
33:16day or night
33:16it was
33:17if they were
33:17charging
33:18she was
33:19she was
33:19phoning me
33:20to let me
33:21know
33:21yeah she
33:22was
33:22great support
33:34that particular
33:35morning
33:36I woke up
33:37I was quite
33:37nervous
33:37about what
33:39was going
33:39to happen
33:40the family
33:41were mainly
33:42concerned
33:42about having
33:43to sit
33:43by the
33:44defendants
33:45family
33:46there was
33:47a lot
33:47of tension
33:47in the
33:48building
33:48it was
33:49obviously
33:49Cody's
33:50family
33:50and friends
33:51the various
33:52different
33:53defendants
33:53family
33:54and friends
33:55it was
33:56a real
33:56tense
33:56atmosphere
33:57throughout
33:58the trial
33:59Tracy
34:00didn't feel
34:00that she
34:01could
34:01come
34:02and
34:03view
34:04what
34:04was
34:04going
34:04on
34:04but
34:05she
34:05did
34:05ask
34:05me
34:06would
34:06I
34:06telephone
34:07her
34:07every day
34:08and let
34:09her know
34:09what's
34:09happened
34:10those
34:11conversations
34:12would
34:12inevitably
34:13be over
34:15half an
34:16hour
34:16each
34:17and every
34:17day
34:17more like
34:19an hour
34:19really
34:25Cody's girlfriend
34:26Jess
34:27was a key
34:27witness
34:28so she
34:29gave her
34:30evidence
34:30fairly early
34:32on
34:32she's seen
34:33someone
34:34murder
34:34her boyfriend
34:35in cold
34:36blood
34:37and she's
34:38had to
34:38try and
34:38provide
34:38first aid
34:39for him
34:40on the
34:40scene
34:41she
34:42fought him
34:43and the
34:44knife was
34:44stuck in
34:45his body
34:46you know
34:46when she tried
34:47to put him
34:48in recovery
34:48position
34:49she couldn't
34:49because the
34:50knife was
34:51in
34:52and that's
34:53when they
34:53realised
34:53he'd been
34:54stabbed
34:57it was an
34:58emotional day
34:59for her
34:59she was
35:00very
35:01very upset
35:03you know
35:04it was
35:04it must have
35:05been very
35:05difficult
35:05for her
35:06to do
35:06that
35:07she's
35:07lost her
35:08boyfriend
35:08and she's
35:09having to
35:10describe
35:10in great
35:11detail
35:11about what's
35:12happened
35:13which must
35:14have been
35:14absolutely
35:15horrendous
35:16but she
35:17did us
35:18proud
35:18she was
35:19very good
35:19throughout
35:20the whole
35:21trial
35:22there were
35:22times
35:22when the
35:23public
35:23gallery
35:24had to
35:24be told
35:25by the
35:25judge
35:26about
35:26their
35:26behaviour
35:27family
35:28members
35:29felt
35:29quite
35:30intimidated
35:30by
35:31the
35:32actions
35:33of
35:34the
35:34other
35:34defendants
35:35families
35:35we had
35:37to get
35:37involved
35:37several
35:38times
35:39directly
35:39having
35:39conversations
35:40with
35:41the
35:41defendants
35:42family
35:42around
35:43their
35:44actions
35:45their
35:45behaviours
35:51so
35:52it was
35:52a very
35:52volatile
35:53and tense
35:55atmosphere
35:56every day
35:56all day
35:57within the
35:58courtroom
35:59everybody
35:59believed
36:00that it
36:01would be
36:0146
36:02weeks
36:02maybe
36:03and then
36:04lo and behold
36:05the trial
36:06didn't last
36:06for that
36:07short amount
36:07of time
36:08it was
36:0812 weeks
36:09when both
36:11carpenter and
36:12Gordon gave
36:13their
36:14evidence
36:14they both
36:15denied
36:15being
36:16responsible
36:17for
36:18his murder
36:20they obviously
36:20gave an account
36:21that tried to
36:22suggest that he
36:23was responsible
36:23for the fight
36:24watching Remy
36:26Gordon give
36:27evidence
36:27he was arrogant
36:29he gave an air
36:31I think he even
36:32said something
36:33along the lines
36:34of being
36:34the leader
36:35of the pack
36:36people looking
36:37up to him
36:37almost that
36:38sort of
36:39swagger
36:39about himself
36:41Cami Carpenter's
36:42demeanor on the
36:43stand was very
36:44different
36:44he didn't have
36:46that arrogance
36:46around him
36:48that Remy
36:48Gordon had
36:49throughout
36:50nevertheless
36:51he never
36:52accepted
36:52his part
36:53or responsibility
36:54in the murder
36:56of Cody
36:56they tried to
36:57push all
36:58responsibility
36:59off themselves
37:00and ultimately
37:01onto each other
37:02so what's known
37:03as a cutthroat
37:04defence
37:05Gordon blaming
37:06Carpenter
37:06Carpenter
37:07blaming Gordon
37:08I always say
37:09it's impossible
37:10to judge a jury
37:11I had no doubt
37:12that they would
37:13be found guilty
37:14but you can
37:15never be sure
37:25waiting for the
37:26verdict
37:26it was just
37:27really nervous
37:27I got sweaty
37:29palms
37:29it's so emotional
37:31because it's
37:32been your life
37:33or your
37:35working life
37:36more or less
37:36every day
37:37since the
37:3927th of
37:40December
37:402022
37:41and so
37:42when it comes
37:43to the day
37:44of the verdict
37:45it's just
37:46really emotional
37:47because you're
37:48worried
37:48you're worried
37:49that you're
37:50not going to
37:50get the right
37:51verdict for the
37:52family
37:52you're worried
37:54about what
37:55they will
37:56think
37:56how they
37:57will react
38:00so the
38:01timeline
38:01events
38:02that we
38:02put forward
38:03at trial
38:04is
38:05on that
38:0624th of
38:07December
38:07Cody and his
38:09friend Dan
38:09went to Pop
38:10World in
38:10Solihull
38:11and that
38:12whilst they
38:13were at
38:13that club
38:14Cody
38:15had bumped
38:16into somebody
38:17like you do
38:17in any
38:18packed club
38:20Remy
38:21was with
38:21another
38:22friend that
38:23night
38:23maybe
38:24he felt
38:25like he'd
38:25lost
38:26face
38:26with
38:26his
38:26friend
38:27maybe
38:27he felt
38:28that
38:29he had
38:30to seek
38:31some
38:31revenge
38:31on Cody
38:33that somebody
38:34dared
38:34to not
38:35be
38:36intimidated
38:36by him
38:37that it
38:37would appear
38:38it just
38:38ate him
38:38up
38:39and that's
38:41why
38:41that
38:42planned
38:42retribution
38:43happened
38:43over that
38:44Christmas
38:44period
38:47Gordon
38:47Carpenter
38:48and a
38:49whole
38:49crowd
38:49of their
38:50other
38:50friends
38:51attended
38:52the crane
38:52on that
38:54boxing day
38:55just towards
38:55the end
38:56of the evening
38:56the group
38:58that Gordon
38:58and Carpenter
38:59were part of
39:00approached Cody
39:02his girlfriend
39:03and other friends
39:03on the dance floor
39:04the altercation
39:06takes place
39:07where Cody
39:07ends up
39:08on the floor
39:08the attack
39:09on Cody
39:10lasts
39:10seconds
39:11literally seconds
39:13you see him
39:14on his feet
39:14you see him
39:15on the floor
39:16you don't see
39:17any more
39:17than that
39:17and in that
39:19those moments
39:21because of how
39:22and where
39:23the stab wound
39:23is
39:25our belief
39:25is
39:26he died
39:27virtually
39:27instantly
39:34so eventually
39:35we get noticed
39:35that there
39:36is a
39:37verdict
39:39I went
39:40to the
39:40verdict
39:41because I
39:41felt that I
39:42needed to do
39:42that and I
39:43went via link
39:45in the court
39:45building
39:46she didn't want
39:47to go into
39:48the actual
39:49courtroom
39:49we sat
39:50in a side
39:51room
39:51and we
39:52were able
39:52to view
39:53the verdict
39:53via a live
39:54link
39:55from the
39:55courtroom
39:55they all
39:57supported
39:57me
39:57they were
39:58all brilliant
39:58they couldn't
39:59have done
39:59any more
40:00that day
40:04when the
40:05jury foreman
40:06stood up
40:07they found
40:08both Gordon
40:09and Carpenter
40:10guilty of murder
40:14relieved
40:14relieved
40:16that they'd
40:16both got
40:17murder
40:17she was
40:18absolutely
40:19ecstatic
40:20crying
40:21emotional
40:22screaming
40:23just all
40:24the emotions
40:25that anybody
40:26could ever
40:26show
40:27just all
40:27all in one
40:29just
40:29yeah
40:30just
40:30highly
40:31emotional
40:32so the
40:33verdict
40:34was
40:34just like
40:35a wave
40:35of relief
40:37you've got
40:38the right
40:39verdicts
40:39for the
40:39family
40:40it's never
40:41going to
40:41bring Cody
40:42back
40:42but
40:44at least
40:45we've got
40:45we've got
40:46the persons
40:46that are
40:47responsible
40:47and they
40:48are going
40:49to have
40:49to spend
40:50you know
40:51the majority
40:52of their lives
40:53now in prison
40:54for what
40:54they did
40:55to Cody
40:55the defendants
40:56made no emotion
40:58once the verdicts
40:59were read out
41:00they didn't move
41:02they didn't say
41:02anything
41:03no emotion
41:04whatsoever
41:18Cody's case
41:19will always stay
41:21in my mind
41:22for any number
41:23of reasons
41:25but the senselessness
41:27of it all
41:28and the impact
41:30on his family
41:32my life sentence
41:33started on
41:34Boxing Day
41:35I'm heartbroken
41:37forever
41:37there's no coming
41:39back from that
41:41you know
41:42Cody's on my head
41:43all the time
41:43I wake up
41:44thinking about him
41:45I go to bed
41:45thinking about him
41:46and I go to his grave
41:48every few days
41:50religiously
41:51and they're the things
41:52that
41:54they're the situations
41:55that
41:56people don't see
41:58that I live with
42:00every single day
42:02we have to visit
42:03Cody now
42:05his headstone
42:07no matter what
42:08weather it is
42:08whether it's raining
42:09snowing
42:10that's where we have
42:11to go and see him
42:12he doesn't come
42:13home anymore
42:16I'm just good
42:17I can't
42:18fix my family
42:19and I can't
42:21bring him home
42:22in my darkest days
42:24when
42:24I thought
42:25I can't
42:25you know
42:26I won't get through
42:27this
42:27I can't get through
42:28this
42:28how can I go on
42:30when
42:31my boy's gone
42:32and he's not
42:33coming back
42:33and
42:34without them
42:35liaison officers
42:37at the beginning
42:38I just
42:40we'd be
42:41I just don't know
42:42what would happen
42:44you've got to have them
42:45they're so important
42:51when it came to
42:52sentencing
42:53Remy Gordon
42:54was given
42:55life
42:56with a minimum
42:56tariff
42:57of 26 years
42:58and
42:59Kami Carpenter
43:00was given
43:01life
43:01with a minimum
43:02tariff
43:03of 25 years
43:05you can't
43:06help but feel
43:06nothing but
43:08disdain
43:09for them
43:09and their actions
43:10and you know
43:11what they've done
43:12it was literally
43:13over nothing
43:14it was over
43:15a shove
43:16in a nightclub
43:19if I could say
43:20anything to them
43:21come and
43:22let them come
43:23and spend a few hours
43:24down Cody's grave
43:25with me
43:25we're going
43:26we're going to see him
43:27we're going to speak to him
43:28and they can feel
43:30how I have to feel
43:32it's left such a massive
43:33void
43:34in the family
43:35a situation
43:37that I wouldn't
43:38wish on anybody
43:39I wouldn't wish it
43:40on my worst enemy
43:48in December
43:502024
43:50I resigned
43:52as a police officer
43:53and I felt
43:55that
43:55because of the
43:56relationship
43:57that I've built up
43:58with Tracy
43:59and the family
44:00I wanted to keep
44:01in touch with them
44:02I felt like
44:04that we had become
44:04more of friends
44:06really
44:08oh my god
44:10what are you doing
44:11I am
44:12oh my god
44:15I don't want to see you
44:16Jane
44:18thank you so come in
44:19please
44:19sorry
44:21oh bless you
44:23you're doing really well
44:24thank you
44:25so do you
44:26you're okay
44:30oh god
44:31we've just
44:33built a really
44:34a really strong
44:37relationship
44:37and friendship
44:38and um
44:39yeah
44:40she
44:40she
44:40just totally
44:42totally gets me
44:43and
44:44I'll thank her for that
44:45it was a reality
44:47this Mother's Day
44:48when I went to the
44:48cemetery
44:50and I was down there
44:51on my own
44:52and I spent a few hours
44:53down there
44:54and without her
44:57you know
44:57how would I have
44:59got through it all
45:01really
45:01you know
45:02with her updating me
45:03and being the support
45:04that she was
45:05we've just known each other
45:06for like two years
45:07haven't we
45:08you know
45:08well even
45:09two and a half years
45:10isn't it
45:11even though that doesn't
45:13register in my head
45:14because it's still
45:15like yesterday
45:16it's still like
45:16yesterday
45:17it's still a long time
45:19isn't it
45:20that was the worst
45:21howl of my life
45:22and she was a very
45:24special person
45:26in that worst
45:27time in my life
45:28it was a difficult
45:30case for me
45:31probably was
45:32the most difficult
45:33yeah I knew that
45:34I got that
45:35did you
45:35yeah I picked up
45:36on that
45:36yeah
45:37I think it's just
45:38because you were
45:39just such a lovely
45:40family
45:42felt proud
45:43to be part
45:44of a hard working
45:45dedicated team
45:46who'd put months
45:47and months of work
45:48into this case
45:49and we were able
45:50to bring the suspects
45:51to justice
45:53glad I was there
45:54for you
45:54I'm glad you was
45:56as well Lisa
45:57yeah
45:57I don't know
45:59what I would have
45:59done
45:59about you
46:01oh I never forget
46:02yourselves
46:03or Cody
46:06this case is
46:08is one of the
46:09longest cases
46:10that I've been
46:11a family liaison
46:11officer for
46:13it's been
46:14probably
46:14the most
46:16difficult
46:16case
46:17I would say
46:19so
46:19yeah
46:20this will be
46:21a case
46:22that I won't
46:23ever forget
46:23fuck
46:24what I've dropped
46:25I can't
46:28I can't
46:40I can't
46:41you
46:41I can't
46:53You
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