00:00So if you had a question about, let's say, whether a grant was violative of, or had DEI in it,
00:06for instance, or was a borderline call, how would you get clarity on how to deal with that?
00:14Justin and I made a personal judgment call and then reviewed that judgment call with Mike and with Adam.
00:19Okay. Do you have any history in, like, let's say, scholarly peer review?
00:24No.
00:25Okay. So, but this judgment call was made by you and your personal judgment, combined with Justin's personal judgment, to
00:32cancel grants based on DEI?
00:35Yes.
00:36Okay. Do you think it's inappropriate in any way that someone in their 20s with no experience with grants for
00:46federal government was making personal judgment calls about what grants to cancel?
00:50Actually, no, I don't think it's inappropriate.
00:53Okay.
00:55Why not?
00:57Jackson.
01:01I think a person can have enough judgment from reading books and being well-informed outside of traditional experience to
01:12make judgment calls about obvious things like a grant that literally lists DEI in its description to know whether it
01:19violates an executive order.
01:21I don't think you need to be, have a scholarly peer review background to do that.
01:27Okay.
01:29So, presumably you read some of these books that would have informed you on how to cancel a grant based
01:34on DEI?
01:35Exactly.
01:38I did not read a book on how to discern whether a grant includes DEI or not. I read the
01:44actual description of the actual grant.
01:46Okay. You just, I'm sorry. I'm saying books because you said books. What books would you have read that would
01:51have informed your opinion on what grants to cancel based on DEI?
01:54There were no books.
01:56Okay. So, there were no books. Anything else that would have informed you on how to do this?
02:04No.
02:05Okay. Just kind of your whims, I guess? Is that what you're saying?
02:08Objection.
02:10They're not my whims. It's my judgment of how to interpret a grant that includes DEI, the characteristics, or our
02:18wasteful spend.
