00:00I also do the thing where I go, I swear, and pretend to be Pezzer.
00:13So, first of all, do you know that now when everybody will say, I swear,
00:20we will say, yeah, of course, as Joel said, so...
00:24Yeah.
00:24And think about you and Pedro Pascal, so...
00:27Yep.
00:28Quite cool. I also do the thing where I go, I swear, and pretend to be Pezzer.
00:32Not very often, but sometimes in my life.
00:34This is the perfect moment for it.
00:36It's cool. I really like all the, like, GIFs and memes that people make.
00:40Those are the things that are kind of fun and, yeah.
00:44So, it's nice. It's just nice that people are, like, watching the show
00:47and having fun with it and engaging with it
00:49and then making, like, memes and GIFs and referencing it.
00:52How cool is that?
00:54And in the first episode, we see a guitar.
00:58Yes.
00:58And if the people who play the video game know that the guitar is really important,
01:05is there any chance that you maybe learn how to play the guitar for this second season?
01:10There's maybe a chance, yeah.
01:12There's a... I did already know how to play a guitar as Bella.
01:16Ah, okay.
01:16Um, quite averagely, but enough.
01:19But yes, you might... we might get Ellie with a guitar.
01:22I think that's probably on the cards.
01:25Yeah.
01:26I think so, yeah.
01:28And, um, in the first episode, we, we, we listened to Joel say, saying,
01:33uh, how do we keep out monsters?
01:35We build a fence.
01:37And I find it really interesting because, yes, of course,
01:40it's something very practical, but it's also, like, a philosophical metaphor
01:44because, uh, these characters have built a fence, um, with the outside world
01:51and they have more, they have monsters inside them.
01:55So, how can you keep your monsters inside you?
01:59That's a very astute observation.
02:01Um, yes.
02:03Well, that's a great question.
02:04I think that you're right.
02:05There is definitely, like, a fence and a guarding of the heart,
02:08especially for these characters, for Ellie and Joel.
02:11I think Ellie sort of adopted more of that as well than season one.
02:15She was, there wasn't, I mean, there was definitely a fence there,
02:17but I feel like it's been reinforced in season two.
02:20Like, it's sort of a stronghold that is hard for, uh, to be permeated.
02:24And, uh, keeping the monsters inside, I mean,
02:27I think it's actually a good thing to, to not keep them inside,
02:31to, like, share them in safe spaces and with people who you trust.
02:35And I think that there's some power in actually, like,
02:38giving the monsters, uh, a voice and, and speaking,
02:42like, in, like, in the, um, first episode as well,
02:45when Catherine O'Hara, the therapist, says, like,
02:48you're only brave enough,
02:50something can only heal if you're brave enough to say it out loud
02:52or something like that.
02:54And I think that's, that sort of relates to this as well.
02:56And speak again about monsters, monsters and zombies in particular
03:00have always been in cinema,
03:02a powerful metaphor to say something about the present days.
03:08So in your opinion, these zombies,
03:10what do they say about today's world?
03:12Well, I think that it's something that this show does is,
03:17and maybe other zombie shows,
03:18but the last one specifically is actually showcase that
03:21the zombies aren't the scariest part.
03:24It's actually the humans.
03:25Like, the humans are much scarier than these, like,
03:27monsters that are being created.
03:30So, so I think that's sort of what it reflects
03:33and, and an observation of, like,
03:35and even, even the sort of monsters in the show
03:37have a very human quality about them.
03:39So I think it's sort of understanding the,
03:41sort of the darkness of humanity
03:44and what we're capable of.
03:46And, um, yeah, it's just interesting to, like,
03:48think about and explore and talk about.
03:50To me, they, they, they say that we are all full of anger
03:53because these characters are so full of anger.
03:56Yes.
03:57And we see, we can see that everybody has a reason
04:00for what they will do or they've done.
04:03So in a show, in a story,
04:06in which everybody could be the villain,
04:08who's the real villain in your opinion?
04:10I think, I don't think there is one.
04:11I think you're right that everyone,
04:13there's a, everyone's a villain in someone's story
04:16and a hero in others and, um, in real life
04:18and also in, in The Last of Us.
04:20And so, and also whether someone's a hero
04:22or a villain sort of shifts with time
04:25and with different experiences.
04:27So yeah, you'll, you'll see.
04:28And I think this, the second season
04:30is also about regrets.
04:33In her opinion, uh, what's the strongest regret
04:36for your character?
04:37Not saying something that she could have said?
04:40Mm-hmm.
04:41Or say, or, or having said something
04:43that she will regret?
04:45I think it's all the things that are left unsaid
04:47that you probably regret the most.
04:49and, um, for Ellie.
04:51Um, yeah, I think it's all the unspoken things.
04:54Her and Joel as well, like, um, obviously with,
04:58uh, in the first episode,
05:00you see that they're not best of friends
05:01and I think that they've never been very good
05:04at, like, saying, like, I love you to each other
05:06or, like, acknowledging that they,
05:08the care and love that they have for each other.
05:10and I think that's sort of a hard,
05:12a hard thing
05:14in, in that sort of dynamic of relationship.
05:16Um, so yeah.
05:17Mm-hmm.
05:18Thank you so much.
05:19Thank you.
05:19Thank you.
05:46Thank you.
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