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Guerre en Iran : l'UE simple spectatrice ou acteur diplomatique ? Débat d'eurodéputés dans The Ring
Guerre États-Unis–Israël contre l’Iran : l’UE se prépare à un choc énergétique et s’interroge sur son rôle de garante de l’ordre fondé sur des règles
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00:00Sous-titrage Société Radio-Canada
00:42As the war in Iran enters its second week, the shockwaves are reaching Europe.
00:47The conflict is raising urgent questions about the EU's energy supply, security and role on the global stage.
00:54The first impact is visible on energy markets. Oil prices surged over $100 a barrel for the first time in
01:01four years.
01:03For Europe's export-driven economies, a prolonged conflict could translate into slower growth and renewed financial volatility.
01:11The crisis is also testing Brussels' relationship with the Trump administration.
01:16Will European governments align more closely with Washington?
01:20Meanwhile, security concerns for Europe's southeastern region are mounting.
01:25Several EU nations have sent warships to bolster the defenses of Cyprus, an EU island nation which has already been
01:31caught in the crossfire.
01:33Where does Europe stand in this crisis?
01:36Will it remain largely defensive, managing the fallout of a conflict it cannot control?
01:41Or attempt a more offensive role?
01:50Just some of the questions we have for our contenders today. Let's meet them.
01:56Antonio López-Isturiz, a Spanish MEP from the Central Right European People's Party.
02:02A lawyer by training, he has been an MEP since 2004 and he sits on the Committee on Foreign Affairs
02:08at the European Parliament.
02:09Commenting on international security challenges, he has stressed the importance of strengthening cooperation among democratic partners.
02:15In the context of the escalation in the Middle East, he said,
02:19Given Iran's support for terrorism, its nuclear ambitions and its regional aggression, the West cannot remain passive.
02:27Daniel Attard, a Maltese MEP from the Socialists and Democrats Group.
02:31A lawyer by training, he was elected to the European Parliament in 2024, where he is vice chair of the
02:36delegation for relations with Iran.
02:38Commenting on the war in Iran, he said,
02:40There are serious legal questions about this military operation, but we must not lose sight of where the root causes
02:46of this crisis lie.
02:47The Iranian regime has for decades destabilized the region, sponsored militias and repressed its own people.
02:53I would advocate for hard diplomacy. Europe should lead talks toward de-escalation.
02:58Diplomacy should always prevail.
03:03MEPs Antonio López-Isturiz and Daniel Attard, welcome to The Ring.
03:09So, the idea here is to give our viewers at home a little taste of the debates that happen here
03:14in the European Parliament,
03:16so I'm sure you both will feel just at home.
03:18Let's get started. I will start with you, Antonio.
03:21We're in the second week of this war. There's really no signs of this abating right now.
03:25Are you any clearer now on what the end goals of both the U.S. and Israel are here?
03:32Well, I don't think that we all have the information, none of us, not even people at charge here in
03:37the European Union about what's going on.
03:40It should be another way. I think that also the European Union is losing a little bit, let's say, the
03:46initiative to be there, you know,
03:48in order to also help our motto nowadays.
03:54And the European flag represents precisely principles, values.
03:59And that's what we have to work with, and we have to collaborate.
04:03But we are not really in the decision-making at the world-wide situation, at the geopolitical situation today.
04:11Okay, you mentioned those European values.
04:13I think the EU is also built on this concept of international law and respect for the rules.
04:19You've said, Daniel, that, you know, this initial strike from the U.S. and Israel that triggered the war was
04:24not in line with international law.
04:25So is it right now that the EU, as Antonio says, does more to support the U.S. and Israel
04:30in this war?
04:31The EU should stand up for its values, as my colleague has said.
04:37Our mission is clear, in my opinion.
04:39We should, first of all, push for the escalation, build a path towards a return to diplomacy,
04:45protect our citizens and our interests in the region,
04:49and we should also stand firm with the long struggle of the Iranian people for freedom and dignity.
04:54Because, as I said, there are serious questions on the legality of this military operation,
05:02but we should not lose sight of the historical context of the Iranian regime,
05:07how the crisis unfolded over the past decades, not just over the past 15 days.
05:12Okay, but let me put this to you.
05:13Is the war so far doing anything to help the Iranian people?
05:17The Iranian regime has been, for years, building up its nuclear capacity.
05:22Its moments to become military-grade uranium.
05:27Also has been sponsoring terrorist attacks all over the world for years.
05:33I think it's also about a time that Iran and the regime learns about also principles and values.
05:38And sometimes, sometimes we have to be strict on this.
05:42But we've seen the supreme leader being replaced by his son.
05:46So, if it is regime change that the U.S. and Israel are pursuing,
05:49it doesn't seem that that's working so far.
05:52Do you think it's right to pursue regime change from the skies?
05:55I think it should be a joke to say that we have a regime change when the son takes from
05:58the father.
06:00Let's say a sad joke, because these people have killed thousands,
06:04specifically also women, that were fighting for the freedoms in Iran.
06:08We cannot escape that reality.
06:11So, also, we have to fight for our principles and values,
06:14fighting these kind of regimes.
06:16And for them to change, and also to have, and I agree with Daniel,
06:21that we give the Iranian people the opportunity also to take the future for themselves,
06:27for a democratic future in Iran.
06:28I am sure that we, him and I, and many in this parliament, we agree.
06:32There was a resolution two weeks ago about Iran, only nine votes against from the extreme right.
06:37The rest of the parliament was absolutely agreeing.
06:40I had the pleasure, the honor of being the chief negotiator of this resolution,
06:44and that was the image of this parliament united for that purpose.
06:47So, there's consensus on that, on the brutality of the Iranian regime
06:51and the need for the EU to support the pro-democracy, pro-freedom movement.
06:55But a socialist voice in Europe, Pedro Sánchez, the prime minister of Spain,
07:00has also been very firm in calling for restraint and this message of no to war.
07:06Do you stand with his message?
07:08Pedro Sánchez spoke for the upholding of international law,
07:12and I believe in this house we all stand for international law, international order, and multilateralism.
07:19What do you make, both of you, of the response from the EU institutions?
07:25Who speaks on behalf of the EU when it comes to this conflict?
07:29Maybe you can start here.
07:30Listen, the European Parliament has been clear and consistent.
07:34We have been calling for the designation of the IRGC as a terrorist organization for at least three years.
07:42Three years repeating our call for this designation,
07:45and it took the Council three years to align with the Parliament's position.
07:48So this institution, where we stand today, has been clear and vocal,
07:52but we lack the unanimity as a European Union.
07:57Yes, but if I may, there is an all-out war happening affecting Europe,
08:02shockwaves in terms of energy prices, economic fallout, and so on.
08:05Now that there is a war happening, who speaks for Europe?
08:09Do you think that it should be von der Leyen, for example, or should it be von der Leyen?
08:12No, clearly it's not Pedro Sánchez, and let me point that,
08:14because he is now in the, let's say, pre-electoral process in Spain.
08:18And it's not good to mix things, and to give rhetorics, like the no-true war.
08:23I mean, we don't want wars. No one wants.
08:26But to use it, you know, for internal purposes, now more than ever, we have to be united.
08:32There has not to be any discordant voices.
08:35We have to, and maybe, maybe, what Pedro Sánchez should do is come to the council,
08:40agree with, you know, the prime ministers, even from Malta, from Germany, everybody,
08:45and we have a common position.
08:46That's how things are done in this European Union, and at least he should respect that.
08:50Can you give him credit for at least being very firm, in the sense that other EU leaders
08:55seem to be treading this very fine line between condemning the Iranian regime,
09:00supporting some kind of change in the regime, and the toppling of the regime,
09:03but yet not really standing very clear on what it makes of this US-Israeli intervention.
09:08Isn't treading this fine line in the middle, making the EU irrelevant here?
09:13No. Now, more than ever, we need that single voice.
09:17We don't need voices spread around in this European Union,
09:21because that's what everybody is asking from us.
09:24If we want to be really an actor on the ground in many areas where, again,
09:29the European Union, with its principles and values,
09:31can contribute also to alleviate the effects of what's going on.
09:36And on that, because we are seeing big impacts in terms of oil prices already,
09:40should the EU be doing more to be more proactive here,
09:44to anticipate the possible impact on European citizens?
09:48We have been saying this from across the chamber for weeks, months, and also years.
09:54We have to build our strategic autonomy, be it economically, be it in terms of energy,
09:58be it in terms of security.
09:59Strategic autonomy does not mean that we are being hostile to the US,
10:04but it will actually strengthen the strategic partnership.
10:07But strategic partnership does not have to mean strategic dependence.
10:11So, yes, to answer your question, we have to do more to be more autonomous,
10:15to be able to shape future events rather than simply react to them,
10:19as we have been doing, not just in this crisis,
10:21but also when it comes to the war in Ukraine and other conflicts around the world.
10:27But does that mean drastically reducing the reliance on the US when it comes to Europe's defense?
10:33As I said, building our strategic autonomy does not mean weakening our strategic partnerships.
10:40Maybe a final response to that?
10:43Strategic autonomy means inside the systems where we are,
10:48the structures where we are, NATO, United Nations,
10:51that we have Europeans together, we have a single voice,
10:55again, not dispersed voices on electoral purposes,
11:00but a single voice in these structures,
11:03that we react as, and also we are working with our allies.
11:09Who are our allies?
11:10Democratic countries.
11:12That might be perfect or imperfect,
11:14maybe they have not elected the president we wanted, or yes,
11:17but they are democracies.
11:19And we have to be patient like they are also with us sometimes.
11:22Let me stop you there.
11:23I see we're getting warmed up here in the debate,
11:26but it's now time to move on to the second round.
11:34It's time for our contenders to directly challenge each other.
11:37They've come here today armed with their own questions for their opponents.
11:42So let's hear them,
11:43and let me start with you, Daniel,
11:45your first question to Antonio.
11:47So, Antonio,
11:48we have been talking about strategic autonomy,
11:51but does that mean that we have to align with decisions taken by others
11:56across the region, across the transatlantic?
11:59Not to follow.
12:00And I think, I'm sure that we should agree.
12:02Not to follow,
12:03but to be in the decision-making,
12:05and also contributing with our European values in that decision-making.
12:10Maybe we could do a difference.
12:13My maybe autocritic is that maybe the Europeans,
12:16we are not soon enough in places where decisions are taken.
12:20These are the opportunities that we cannot miss.
12:23Antonio,
12:24your first question to Daniel.
12:26Again,
12:27our allies.
12:28I talked about our allies.
12:30Daniel,
12:30what do you think?
12:31I mean,
12:32should we stay,
12:33you know,
12:34also with them?
12:35They are democratic countries.
12:36Should we go in another way?
12:40What's your view on this?
12:41You're talking about the Gulf countries and the US,
12:43I'm assuming.
12:43Yes,
12:44of course.
12:44And Israel,
12:45by the way,
12:45also.
12:45And Israel.
12:46As I said,
12:47we should,
12:48first of all,
12:48invest in our strategic autonomy,
12:50so that we are able,
12:51as a European Union,
12:52to speak with one voice,
12:53and to shape events,
12:54rather than simply react to them,
12:56as we have been doing.
12:57But we should also,
12:58yes,
12:58work with our allies closely.
13:01Let's speak about the transatlantic allegiance,
13:04the elephant in the room.
13:05The EU and the US
13:06share decades
13:07of strategic partnership,
13:09and I believe
13:10that that strategic partnership
13:12will outlast
13:13any single crisis.
13:15I believe that
13:16beyond
13:16political rhetoric,
13:18that strategic alliance
13:19will outlast
13:20this war,
13:21and we can build
13:22on that,
13:23building on that,
13:24while also building
13:24our own
13:25strategic autonomy.
13:27As a product
13:28of a transatlantic relation
13:29that I am,
13:30my mother is American,
13:31I have to say,
13:31I agree absolutely.
13:33Good,
13:33very good.
13:34Daniel,
13:35your second question
13:36to Antonio.
13:36So,
13:37my question is this,
13:38would you think,
13:39speaking of the Iranian people,
13:40we said that
13:41they now have the hope
13:43for freedom
13:44and for dignity,
13:45something which
13:45they long have been fighting for.
13:48But do you think
13:49that their future
13:50can be decided
13:51by foreign powers
13:52or by missiles dropping
13:53in their country?
13:55No.
13:56And I said,
13:57we said it before,
13:58you and me.
13:58I think that we agree.
14:00And by the way,
14:00you are an expert,
14:01you are in the Iranian delegation
14:02here in the European Parliament,
14:04and I have been passionately involved
14:06in the fight against this regime.
14:08By the way,
14:08I'm in the black list
14:09of the regime.
14:10to tell you that,
14:12you know,
14:12we have to join efforts
14:14in order to tackle
14:15with this regime,
14:16that we have to be prudent also
14:20in the way
14:21that the Iranian people
14:23feel our support,
14:25and they feel it
14:26in a way
14:27that they can race
14:28against this regime.
14:29They have done it before.
14:30Remember,
14:31just this Christmas,
14:33there were 6,000 people
14:34killed in the streets of Iran
14:35because of that.
14:36But we need to be to them,
14:38and we have to give them
14:39the clear messages
14:40of our support.
14:41But very briefly,
14:42if I may,
14:42just to push further
14:44on that question,
14:45do you think that this war
14:47is actually helping
14:49and sending that signal
14:50from the West,
14:51the signal that you've just
14:52spoken about
14:53to the Iranian people?
14:54I think that the willing
14:54also to change the regime
14:56in Iran
14:56is maybe,
14:58maybe,
14:58giving this,
15:00you know,
15:01support,
15:01this help
15:03to the European,
15:04to the Iranian people.
15:06It's soon to know.
15:07We don't know
15:08what's going on
15:09in the streets.
15:09There is an internet blackout.
15:11There is no communication.
15:12We don't know,
15:13Daniel, me,
15:14and anyone here
15:14what's going on
15:15in the streets of Tehran
15:16on East Fahan.
15:17Okay.
15:17You know,
15:18but we wish
15:19and we want
15:20the Iranian people
15:21to feel our support,
15:22not only for resolutions,
15:24but also with action.
15:25Okay,
15:25we have time
15:25for a very last question
15:27from you, Antonio,
15:27to Daniel.
15:29Yes.
15:32Sanctions,
15:33Daniel.
15:33because I just heard
15:35the president
15:35of the socialist group,
15:36Irache Garcia,
15:38talking about,
15:39you know,
15:39that we need
15:41more sanctions
15:42to asphyxiate the regime.
15:45Do you think
15:45that we have done enough
15:46or not in the European Union?
15:48I mean,
15:48this is a question
15:49that we all members have
15:50in the different groups.
15:51I think that the parliament
15:52has done its job.
15:53It has been consistent,
15:54but we definitely
15:55have to do more.
15:55We have to,
15:56we need higher diplomacy.
15:57We need to increase
15:58the pressure
15:59on the regime.
16:00We still have embassies
16:01operating like business
16:02as usual
16:02in the European Union.
16:04I think we should
16:04take action on that
16:06and also,
16:06obviously,
16:07we need the council
16:07to be more fast
16:08because as we have seen,
16:10political hesitation
16:11carries consequences.
16:13Okay,
16:13thank you both
16:14for your own questions there,
16:16but it's time now
16:17to bring new voices
16:19into the debate.
16:24Now,
16:25earlier this week,
16:25European Commission President
16:27Ursula von der Leyen
16:28delivered a speech
16:29pitching a new way forward
16:31for the EU
16:32in the way it does
16:33foreign policy.
16:35Let's listen to
16:36what she had to say
16:37and also the reaction
16:37from her own
16:38Vice President
16:39Teresa Rivera.
16:40Europe can no longer
16:43be a custodian
16:44of the old world order
16:45for a world that has gone
16:47and will not return.
16:49We will always defend
16:51and uphold
16:51the rules-based system
16:53that we helped to build
16:54with our allies,
16:56but we can no longer
16:57rely on it
16:58as the only way
17:00to defend our interests.
17:02It is fair to say
17:04that maybe
17:05it was not
17:06the most adequate
17:08manner to express herself,
17:11but yes,
17:12she is fully committed,
17:14of course,
17:14to the international order,
17:16but to me,
17:17it is key to defend,
17:20to stress,
17:21to underline
17:22that the international law
17:23is a key element
17:25of building
17:26the European project
17:27and the European security.
17:28The large majority
17:29of countries
17:30around the world
17:31think that this is
17:32the best thing
17:33we have done
17:34since the end
17:34of World War II,
17:36but it is absolutely
17:37key for Europe.
17:39Antonio,
17:40is von der Leyen
17:41right?
17:42Does the EU need
17:42to change the way
17:43it does foreign policy
17:44in this new world?
17:45to see the Vice President
17:46of the Commission
17:46receiving phone calls
17:47from the Prime Minister
17:48of Spain
17:49and introducing
17:50his agenda?
17:52I don't think
17:52that, you know,
17:53in the declarations
17:54of Ursula,
17:55I don't see the agenda
17:55of anyone
17:56except the European one.
17:58When she said
17:59we cannot set a tear
18:01for the regime,
18:02I think that
18:03we can all agree,
18:04you know,
18:05with this approach.
18:06Well, we do have
18:07a socialist here
18:08on set.
18:08You belong to the same
18:09political family
18:10as Rivera,
18:11of course,
18:11and the Prime Minister
18:12Pedro Sánchez.
18:13What do you make
18:14of that?
18:14I think that
18:15beyond the political
18:18rhetoric
18:19with an upcoming
18:20election in Spain,
18:22what Pedro has said
18:23is he stood up
18:24for international law,
18:26for what we stand
18:27for in this house.
18:28But it also shows
18:29the beauty of this house
18:30that we can have
18:31different opinions,
18:33but we can also
18:33agree on the basics.
18:34And to be clear,
18:36international crisis
18:37rarely offer
18:39simple answers,
18:40but complexity
18:41does not have to mean
18:43moral blindness.
18:45Okay,
18:46but what the lion
18:46is saying
18:47that, you know,
18:48continuing with
18:49the same agenda
18:50is naive
18:50because the world
18:51around us
18:52is changing.
18:53Do you agree
18:54with her in that
18:55and that, you know,
18:56there needs to be
18:57more pragmatic
18:58interest-based approach
19:00to the EU's
19:00foreign policy?
19:01I'm all for
19:02a pragmatic
19:03based approach,
19:04but we have to be
19:06able also
19:07to speak with
19:07one voice
19:08when it comes
19:08to what we stand
19:09for,
19:09our values.
19:10The rule of law,
19:11international order.
19:12And we must also
19:13be able to condemn
19:14the killing
19:15of innocents
19:16like the children,
19:18the school children
19:18which were killed
19:19innocently in the United States.
19:20But was the timing of her speech
19:20right, would you say?
19:21The speech of von der Leyen.
19:23Of von der Leyen
19:23when she casts
19:25a little bit of a doubt
19:26on the strength
19:27of the EU's
19:28kind of commitments
19:28to the rules-based order.
19:30She said that you
19:31can no longer be
19:31a custodian
19:32of that rules-based order.
19:34I wouldn't
19:34subscribe to that.
19:35I think that
19:36as a European Union,
19:38we should be strong
19:38and standing up
19:40for our values
19:41because that is
19:42the core foundation
19:42of why this union
19:44was founded
19:45after the Second World War.
19:46Okay, let me stop you there
19:47because it's time for us
19:48to take a short break
19:49here on The Ring,
19:50but stay with us.
19:51we'll be back very soon.
20:01Welcome back to The Ring,
20:04Euronews' new weekly debate show.
20:06I'm joined by MEPs
20:08Daniel Attard
20:09and Antonio Lopefi-Sturiz
20:10to discuss the US
20:12and Israel's war
20:13with Iran
20:14and the ripple effects
20:15felt in Europe.
20:17The conflict has,
20:18of course,
20:19caused the effective closure
20:21of the Strait of Hormuz.
20:23Let's take a look
20:24at why that matters
20:25for Europe.
20:26As you can see there,
20:28around 20%
20:29of the world's oil
20:31passes through the Strait.
20:33Major exporters
20:34of energy
20:35include Saudi Arabia,
20:37the United Arab Emirates,
20:38Iraq and Iran.
20:40And why does this matter
20:41for Europe?
20:42Well, about 13%
20:43of EU oil imports
20:45are transited
20:46through Hormuz.
20:47and, of course,
20:49this is why
20:50there is growing concern
20:51here in Europe
20:52about the potential impact
20:54on prices
20:55and on consumers' pockets.
20:57I should also note
20:58that the US
20:58is now saying
20:59it has eliminated
21:01Iranian mine-laying ships
21:03in the Strait.
21:04Also,
21:05the International Energy Agency
21:06is proposing
21:07the largest ever oil release
21:09from strategic reserves.
21:11The situation
21:11is obviously evolving quickly.
21:14Do we need to see
21:15a more proactive response
21:16from the EU here
21:17because we could see
21:18a big impact
21:19on European consumers?
21:20I think what this tells you
21:22is that the Iranian regime
21:24is at its weakest.
21:25Why?
21:26Because while 13%,
21:28as you quoted,
21:29of the EU's imports
21:30come from that Strait,
21:31but 100%
21:32of Iranians' exports
21:33pass through that Strait.
21:35So this is
21:35a suicidal decision
21:37by the Iranian regime
21:38which is in dire straits
21:40and which is at its weakest.
21:41And by appointing
21:44another Khamenei
21:45to the role of supremacist,
21:47it tells you
21:47all you need to know
21:48about this regime.
21:49The time of this regime
21:50is up.
21:51I've said it before
21:51and I say it again.
21:52Your response?
21:53For once,
21:54Macron is right
21:56when he sent
21:57the aircraft carrier
21:58to Cyprus
21:59and he's taking
22:01the frigates
22:02and also talking
22:04about the European defense
22:05of the Strait of Hormuz.
22:07It's not only
22:08about oil and gas.
22:09It's also our allies
22:11in the region.
22:12Gulf countries
22:13like the United Emirates.
22:14There are full
22:15thousands of European citizens
22:17working every day there.
22:19It's also a hub
22:20for millions of Europeans
22:21that they fly
22:22to other continents.
22:24It is a very attractive place
22:26and they have done it
22:26and they have approached us
22:28during these latest years.
22:30So we need to be by them.
22:32They are suffering
22:33the indiscriminate attacks
22:34from the regime.
22:36I think that the Europeans,
22:36we have to be very clear on that.
22:38And very briefly,
22:38EU leaders will be gathering
22:39at Brussels next week.
22:41Is there anything
22:41they should be doing now
22:43to prepare for a potential
22:44further spike in prices
22:46and the impact
22:46on the European economy?
22:48Yes.
22:49We should be,
22:50as Macron has stated,
22:52and also Ursula.
22:54And I don't want to advance
22:55because I don't want
22:56to give a different opinion.
22:57I rely in all of them united.
23:00But my ask is that
23:03Europe is there,
23:04present for our allies
23:06in the region,
23:07in the Gulf,
23:07to protect them.
23:08not, again,
23:10not only the oil and gas.
23:11So it's about sending frigates
23:12to the region to patrol
23:13to protect commercial vessels.
23:15The Strait of Ormuz,
23:16it's worldwide.
23:17It's not only Europe.
23:18It's worldwide stability.
23:20And that's what
23:21we have to be there for.
23:22The US is already
23:23doing this as well.
23:24We keep hearing, though,
23:25that this is not like 2022.
23:27This is not the crisis
23:28that we saw back then,
23:30the energy crisis
23:30when Russia invaded Ukraine.
23:33Do you think it's naive
23:34to say that EU needs
23:35to be more kind of proactive here,
23:37for example,
23:37in anticipating
23:38the possible impact
23:39on electricity prices?
23:41As I was saying
23:42from the start of this debate,
23:43we must be more strategically autonomous,
23:45not to react to future crises,
23:47but to be able to shape them.
23:49What does that mean?
23:49Does it mean more nuclear?
23:51Does it mean more green energy?
23:52What I wanted to say
23:53is that very well connected.
23:56Ukraine,
23:56what's going on
23:57in the Middle East,
23:58these are warning calls,
24:01wake-up calls
24:01for us Europeans,
24:02that we are surrounded
24:03by regimes,
24:04that they don't like
24:05our way of living,
24:06our democracy.
24:07And now, Europeans,
24:09we are understanding
24:10that we have to do
24:11something about it.
24:13Of course,
24:14the question of energy
24:15is crucial.
24:16Europe is dependent
24:17on energy.
24:17We do not produce
24:19energy by ourselves,
24:21enough for our
24:22powerful industry,
24:23for our jobs,
24:25also for our social structure.
24:27Yeah,
24:27but not enough.
24:29Unfortunately,
24:29not enough yet
24:30to sustain our system.
24:33So,
24:33we have to do something about it.
24:35Do you support
24:35what Wanderleijn
24:35said earlier this week
24:36about more nuclear energy,
24:38going back to that?
24:39Well,
24:39I just discovered,
24:40as you know,
24:41and all of us,
24:42that now it's a green energy,
24:43by the way,
24:44recognized by the European institutions
24:46and by the European Parliament.
24:47So,
24:48good for that.
24:49Very briefly,
24:50just to close,
24:51do you think
24:51this should really
24:52propel efforts
24:53to invest more
24:54in either nuclear
24:56or green energies?
24:58100%.
24:58We should diversify
24:59to ensure that we are
25:00independent
25:01as much as possible.
25:03Okay.
25:04Now it's time to move on
25:05to our fifth
25:06and final round today.
25:12In our very last round of debate,
25:15I will ask you
25:15a set of
25:16very short questions
25:17and I do require
25:18a very short answer,
25:19yes or no.
25:21Referendum.
25:22Yes or no,
25:23if possible.
25:24Let's start here
25:25with you,
25:26Daniel.
25:27Do you support
25:28the US
25:29and Israel's war
25:30on Iran?
25:33International complexities
25:33do not offer
25:34simple answers.
25:35No yes or no then?
25:37There are serious questions
25:38about the military operation,
25:39but
25:39it has brought us
25:41the closest
25:41to bring about
25:42a change in the regime.
25:43Okay.
25:44Do you support
25:44the war,
25:45yes or no?
25:45If there are,
25:46you know,
25:47ways to take out
25:48this regime in Iran,
25:49you know,
25:49that we are many,
25:51we have prayed for that
25:52for many years,
25:53good.
25:53Is that the way?
25:55I don't know.
25:55We'll see now.
25:56Let's see if we get
25:57shorter on the second one.
25:58Do you believe
25:58the war can be
26:00a success for the West?
26:02You are making
26:03our life hard,
26:04to answer yes or no.
26:05I can see.
26:06It is definitely
26:07a wake-up call
26:08and with dubious intentions
26:11there could be
26:11good outcomes.
26:12Okay.
26:13Wars are not successful,
26:15never.
26:17And especially
26:18when they are started
26:19by someone
26:19that is building out
26:20their nuclear capacities
26:21to end us.
26:23Let me give you
26:24an easier one.
26:25Is the war a threat
26:26to European security?
26:28Yes or no?
26:28Yes.
26:29Yes.
26:31Is the war
26:32that Donald Trump,
26:34but specifically
26:34Donald Trump himself,
26:36a threat
26:36to European security?
26:38Yes or no?
26:40The transatlantic
26:41relation
26:42has been a strength,
26:43not a threat.
26:44Is Donald Trump
26:45a threat?
26:46Transatlantic relation.
26:47Whoever is the president,
26:49I have relations
26:50with Democrats,
26:50Republicans,
26:51you know,
26:51whatever it is,
26:52you know,
26:52you can like it or not,
26:54but we have to work on that.
26:56Is the EU
26:57currently
26:58too reactive
27:00and not proactive
27:01enough
27:02in its response
27:02to the war?
27:03Yes.
27:04Is the EU
27:05too reactive
27:06and not proactive
27:07enough in its response?
27:09And is
27:10the crisis,
27:11would you say,
27:12a test of Europe's
27:13geopolitical credibility?
27:15Definitely.
27:17Absolutely.
27:18Okay.
27:19And that brings
27:20this edition
27:21of The Ring
27:22to an end.
27:23Thank you so much
27:23to our guests today,
27:25MEPs Antonio Lovetti-Sturiz
27:27and Daniel Attard.
27:28Thank you also
27:29to you at home
27:30for watching.
27:32We'll be back next week
27:33with another
27:34head-to-head.
27:35In the meantime,
27:35write to us
27:36with your suggestions
27:37at
27:37The Ring
27:38at
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27:39and see you soon
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