00:00No, yeah, we, but I'd say yes, after this there's a much, even, even deeper knowledge of each other, for
00:06good and bad, right?
00:07For good and bad!
00:15It's like a piece of tape that you rip off and try to reapply. It might stick, but it's never
00:26going to be like the first time.
00:27You know each other from ages now, but after this TV show, do you feel that you know each other
00:34like anyone else in the world?
00:37And are you enough with this thing?
00:41No, she was just saying how we have to do Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf at some point next.
00:47Yeah, we're planning the play reading.
00:49The next, yeah, yeah.
00:50We'll get together and be all nerdy and read it out loud.
00:52Uh-huh. Uh-huh. No, yeah, we, but I'd say yes, after this there's a much, even, even deeper knowledge
00:59of each other, for good and bad, right?
01:02For good and bad!
01:04And I was being between them. Did you discover something about you watching them?
01:09Um, maybe that's, I would, I could never be an actor. You know, the things they did, the way they
01:18were diving into these characters and doing all these things, it's something that I would never dare to do. So,
01:26yeah. Everyone has his own profession. It's good, you know.
01:28Your character says that her character saved him because she saw him for the first time. How important is seeing
01:38people and how can we come back to seeing them when we don't see them anymore, if it's possible?
01:45Yeah, he says, the beautiful speech the guy wrote about, like, we saved each other, you know, we, you know,
01:52from where we came from. It's, I think it's very, it's incredibly important to be seen and known by another
02:00person, but I don't know if it's possible.
02:03Yeah, in reality. I mean, because you think of, it takes complete and utter openness, which is possible, I think,
02:12for a small amount of time, but to have it continue through a life, that's a very difficult thing.
02:18Yeah, and also we're constantly changing and evolving and, you know, shifting and oftentimes we can't even see ourselves and,
02:26you know, you don't know what you're, and it's a danger to put so much pressure on somebody
02:32else, something outside of yourself to see you, to validate you, you know, it can get to a very codependent
02:38place. And I think my character is very codependent and his whole identity has become around what it means to
02:47be this husband and this father and his, this, this particular life that's really about the external things and not
02:54so much about an internal understanding of himself.
02:57Seeing things, seeing people is your job, so what do you think?
03:00I feel, you know, that my main job sometimes is to give my actors just a safe place, a safe
03:09environment to let them do what they know to do better than me sometimes.
03:14You know, so I feel when they, when you, when you do the right casting, when you choose the right
03:19actors and when you do rehearsals and when they know what to do, it's, my job is almost done.
03:25So then I need to just let them do without, just make sure that they have the right, the good
03:30terms to work in.
03:32That's basically it.
03:35Because they, they, they, they knew better than me most of the time what they have, what they need to
03:39do, so.
03:40In, in this movie there are new phones, but same old problems.
03:46The, the, the first movie was in the seventies, but the problems are the same.
03:50I mean, do you believe that most people are afraid to be happy while we are to each other so
03:59much in Europe now?
04:01I think, hmm, hmm, I don't know that people are afraid to be happy.
04:06I, I find that a lot of people are afraid to be open and vulnerable.
04:11Uh, so they, because of that they sabotage their happiness because really to be happy is to be truly known
04:19by someone else.
04:20Um, but I don't know that people, um, what do you think, Agayo?
04:26Well, I, I've seen, I've seen something that pursuit of happiness, you know, especially in the American, American culture when
04:32you have to be happy and you have to look for happiness only for life.
04:36People are so trying to be happy that sometimes you become miserable because you're not happy.
04:41I think it's, it's so often that people really feel depressed just because they're not happy enough, so.
04:48And also what happy means, you know, you know, you know, like what, what, what corporate, you know, global corporate
04:56to the world movement makes you believe what happiness will be.
04:59And you just need this thing and you'll be happy.
05:01Yeah, you just need this thing.
05:02You need a newer car, newer clothes, a newer spouse, you know, uh, all these external things that'll make you
05:10happy.
05:11Um, and, and I, I actually think part of it is like we've really lost a real healthy relationship with
05:17boredom.
05:18You know, we, we, we're not, we don't cultivate a healthy relationship with boredom enough, you know, like that is
05:24the, that's like the death sentence to be bored.
05:26But it's like being bored a little bit now and then it's not such a bad thing.
05:30Boredom is nice.
05:31It can be.
05:32I mean, for so many thousands of years people had to deal with boredom and now we don't really have
05:36to, you know, we have all of this constant stuff to take us away from it.
05:40Speaking about being nice, your character seems so nice in the beginning, but, uh, she, she's hiding many bad feelings.
05:48Do you believe that being too much nice is almost a sinister thing?
05:54Yeah.
05:54We have to be afraid of people who are nice.
05:57I think, well, I don't think you have to be afraid of someone who's being nice, but I think in
06:02the first episode she's being less of who she really is and she's, uh, eliminating herself in order to make
06:12him feel like he is the king of the house of the domain of the space.
06:18And I think whenever you try to suppress or mute who you are, make yourself smaller for another person, it
06:27will always come back to bite you in the ass.
06:29You can't eliminate who you are.
06:32It will always be there.
06:34You can bring it up and then work through it and, you know, heal or whatever, but you can't, you
06:40can't pretend.
06:41It's not knocking on your door.
06:43Okay.
06:43Thank you so much.
06:44Thank you.
06:45Thank you.
06:48Thank you.
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