00:00Hi, nice to meet you.
00:01Hi, Tia Ciori.
00:09Bruce Wayne.
00:25In this movie, Bruce Wayne says to
00:29Alfred that he's not his father, and we know that,
00:33but to everyone, Alfred, he's Bruce Wayne's father.
00:37So how shocking was that?
00:39Who is Alfred in this movie?
00:41So, well, I mean, the thing is, the sad thing is that
00:45Alfred can never be, you know, he can never be that
00:49fill the gap, that the void, and he is personally responsible
00:55for the death of Bruce's father or sees himself
00:58and carries that survivor guilt.
01:03But what Matt Reeves has done in writing this version of Alfred
01:08and Bruce's relationship is create this very tense,
01:13this great deal of tension between them, because in the story
01:17where we start with Bruce is he is not yet fully formed as Batman.
01:23You know, he's in the early stages of discovering who he is,
01:26and he's on a solo journey, and he's almost rejecting Alfred
01:31for everything that he stands for, the old, you know,
01:35the old Wayne dynasty, all the rules.
01:39And it's, for Alfred, that is a very, it's painful,
01:44but he's not, Alfred is not capable of expressing emotion in a way.
01:50He's a soldier, and, you know, he's worked in the military,
01:54he's worked in secret service, and now as a security guard,
01:59a bodyguard and butler.
02:00So it's, I think, you know, as I say, he finds it very difficult
02:07to express himself emotionally, and that's, I think,
02:10what makes it interesting.
02:13I love how in this Batman, each character almost seems
02:18like a classical monster, Frankenstein, Dracula.
02:22And since you know so much about monsters, what can they teach us?
02:28And did you think about some monster playing for this, Alfred?
02:34I hear what you're saying, and I think you're right.
02:37And I do think we, you know, the great thing about these kinds of stories,
02:42they allow you to really investigate the human condition
02:48and through a fairy tale.
02:51So ultimately, all of, you know, all these universes,
02:54whether they're superhero movies or, you know,
02:57or the Batman story or Middle Earth or what, you know,
03:02they allow you to really touch on the human condition,
03:08but through a fairy tale.
03:09And I think it allows us to openly discuss who we are,
03:14what the human condition is.
03:17So I think the monsters are, they are a kind of,
03:22in a safe environment that we can be afraid of them,
03:25we can try and understand them, we can reject them.
03:29You know, we basically, our own moral compass is questioned,
03:35our response to this darkness.
03:39So in terms of Alfred being a monster, I think he's,
03:47the monster that he is really, I suppose,
03:50is that he kind of doesn't want to admit
03:54that everything that he has believed in might be untrue.
03:59And to have that amount of doubt is,
04:04it would be very threatening to him.
04:06So he's holding up a wall, I think,
04:10you know, so he's not so much a monster,
04:12but he's refusing to acknowledge that things might not be true.
04:16I think that we never saw a Bruce Wayne so questioned
04:22because even Bruce himself doesn't like being rich
04:27or he doesn't like the idea.
04:31And Alfred says to him, you have to do something.
04:33So do you believe that in this time,
04:36we have to question more the Bruce Waynes than the Batmans?
04:42Yes, I think we do.
04:45You know, we are living in a post-truth world.
04:47We, you know, their beliefs,
04:51their belief systems don't really mean anything
04:54to anybody anymore.
04:56You know, obviously there are, you know,
05:00there are religious belief systems
05:02that people still adhere to,
05:03but in terms of social belief systems,
05:07there seems to be an erosion.
05:10and we are, you know, so that's why, again,
05:14why I think these films have such an important part to play
05:16in allowing us to really discover
05:18and discuss what society we want to be.
05:23Thank you so much.
05:24You're amazing.
05:25I love you.
05:26Bye.
05:27Thank you very much.
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