00:00I started thinking about the subject of debt for a number of reasons, but among them was my puzzlement over
00:07a turn of phrase.
00:08He's paid his debt to society.
00:13What happens when people don't pay their debts, or can't pay their debts, or won't pay their debts?
00:22What if the debt is one that by its very nature cannot be repaid with money?
00:30You know, we're used to disasters here, not dreaming it was going to be as bad as it got.
00:37Wealthy countries are the major contributors to the growing ecological debt, the debt that human beings owe the planet.
00:46I think there is this deep sense that human society is unjust.
00:51If you are poor in a free market, freedom is just another word for nothing that you can afford.
00:55The natural sense of justice is a Darwinian matter where people should take what they can get.
01:02There have been abuses, and they're horrible.
01:07What is going on in the tomato fields is so bad that it defies words.
01:13I was a prisoner myself.
01:14I don't think prison is the answer, but the concept of people paying a debt to society has largely been
01:21lost sight of.
01:22I am by no means innocent.
01:24I steal.
01:25I buy drugs.
01:26I get caught within a couple of weeks and come back to prison for a few years.
01:30This, to me, is not paying back.
01:37How we think about it changes how it works.
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