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00:11Hello everyone and welcome to Do You Know Your Place. Now we all think we've got a solid grasp
00:16of UK knowledge but how much do we really know about our country? Well that's what we're about
00:22to discover with the help of Paul our helpful slash unhelpful tour guide who'll be taking us
00:27all over the UK. Now some of his information which we're about to learn is fantastic the
00:33rest fact-free. It's Tuesday so let's sort the credible from the crazy as we play Do You Know Your
00:38Place?
00:43Playing this week from Albert Square to the art studio he's a multi-talented actor and a mighty fine painter
00:50too.
00:50It's Nithin Gidatra. Next up this BBC Radio 2 star can soundtrack your Sunday morning but
00:57how well does she know the regions her radio waves reach? It's the Reverend Kate Bartley everyone.
01:04And finally he's gone from playing rugby union to the NFL proving he's never afraid to change the
01:10rules of the game. Yes it's Alex Gray. Now before we get started we're going to take a quick look
01:17at
01:17the weekly leaderboard. Nithin you've got one point, Alex you've got two, Kate because of your victory
01:23yesterday you've got three points on the weekly leaderboard. Now today we're sorting fact from
01:28fiction in Dudley. Lovely. So let's kick off by testing your geography skills. Earlier each of you
01:35placed a pin on the map as to where you think Dudley is located. First of all where is Dudley
01:42on the map?
01:44Oh. And let's find out where you think Dudley actually is.
01:51Oh to north. You did well. Lovely. Yesterday Nithin you were closest and Alex you were furthest away.
01:59Today Alex you're furthest away again. Two days in a row you are 160 miles away. You're in Yorkshire,
02:06the village of Bishop Thornton. Kate you were a little bit closer. You were 115 miles away in
02:12Huddersfield. What was I thinking of? I mean I went far too north. I just had a rush of blood
02:17to
02:17the head Vernon. Yeah Nithin you were closest again. You were 30 miles away from Dudley. You were actually
02:22in Solihull. Once again two days in a row you're putting the first point on the board. Well done you.
02:29So let's go over to Paul. He's playing a blinder today. Welcome to Dudley, nestled in the heart of
02:38the West Midlands in an area known as the Black Country. It's home to 300,000 people and gave us
02:44comedy legend and comic relief co-founder Sir Lenny Henry. This is the Black Country Living Museum,
02:52an award-winning open-air museum that brings the industrial revolution roaring back to life.
02:59And yes for you eagle-eyed TV fans out there this is the backdrop for...
03:05The Peaky Blinders. The show takes us on an underworld journey through 20th century Birmingham
03:12and was created by original Brummie Stephen Knight. But would you believe as well as creating Peaky
03:18Blinders that Stephen Knight also created Who Wants To Be A Millionaire? I think you might need to phone
03:24a friend for this one. We've seen Paul in many guises. I don't think he can do the underground
03:31villain. He did drop his voice in a masculine manner and he started talking like that. Because
03:37that's what gangsters do, isn't he? That's right. You watch yourself while seeing the Queen V.
03:44Nithin, would you believe that as well as creating Peaky Blinders, Stephen Knight also
03:50created Who Wants To Be A Millionaire? I think it's completely plausible that he did. I think
03:57Stephen Knight might have done that, yeah. You believe it? You're right to believe it!
04:01I've got a point! You've got two points now! I'm going to stand up! Oh, there he is! I feel
04:06good!
04:07Yes! Okay, after one round you've already matched yesterday's score. Yeah, that's it. What an achievement.
04:12I need to go now. Yes, Who Wants To Be A Millionaire was co-created by Stephen Knight
04:18along with David Briggs and Mike Whitehill. Stephen Knight has created many, many huge TV hits,
04:24including the recent hosts of Guinness and is writing the new James Bond film.
04:29Ooh! He's done well for himself, hasn't he? He's done really well for himself. I bet he's got
04:34underfloor heating in his conservatory. That's how well he's done. I bet he's got a kitchen island.
04:38That's when you know his head. That's when you know. Yeah. Right, next up, Paul is in the pawn shop
04:42in Dudley. Let's just hope he doesn't find what I dropped off. Originally a pair of cottages,
04:52this building has been transformed by the museum into a recreation of a pawn shop.
04:56It's packed with fascinating items that really brings the era to life. From a good old trusty
05:02candlestick, these beautiful bowler hats and also a delightfully heeled shoe and plenty other
05:10curiosities. But would you believe you could buy false teeth in a pawn shop in Dudley in the 1800s?
05:31I'm thinking that if you're pawning things in a pawn shop, you don't own many things anyway. But the one
05:36thing that you might be able to take out, and it sounds plausible to me, and they might be made
05:41of
05:41ivory, might they in those days? So again, I'm trying to apply logic to something that might not have
05:46logic in it. I'm going to believe it. You're going to believe it. Yes. Well done. Well done, you were
05:52right
05:52to believe it. The first porcelain dentures were made in around 1770 before sets that used
05:58vulcanised rubber became more popular in the mid-1800s. Well done, you get a point. Thank you.
06:04Right, Alex, your question. Paul is heading into the past when things were really hard as nails, quite literally.
06:13Dudley is known as the beating heart of the black country, with a rich heritage of shoemaking,
06:18bricklaying and blacksmithing. But it's the area of metalworking that really made the black country
06:25stand out and become world famous for creating steel, iron, chains, nails and even huge feats of
06:33engineering. But would you believe that the Angel of the North in Gateshead was built right here in
06:38Dudley? Hmm? Would you believe that the Angel of the North in Gateshead was built in Dudley?
06:46I am obviously from the North East near Gateshead. I don't know if they would be happy with that,
06:52giving that to somebody else. I think out of North East pride, I'm going to say I don't believe it.
06:57Let's see. You don't believe it? Yes. Well done. Hey, a full house on that round. Well done.
07:03Everyone gets a point, but congratulations, Alex. Yes, you are right. The Angel of the North was
07:07fabricated in Hartlepool, much closer to Gateshead. However, the anchor from the Titanic was
07:13manufactured in Dudley by Hingley & Sons Ltd. Right, there you go. This is quite a celebratory
07:19moment, gang. We're one round in and you've all scored a point. Well done. Which means, Nithin,
07:25because you were nearest to Dudley, you're still in the lead with two points. Kate and Alex,
07:30you've got a point each. Time for round two. So let's go back to Paul. He's heading into a very
07:35dark tunnel.
07:40The Dudley Tunnel in the West Midlands was completed in 1792 as part of the Birmingham Canal Network.
07:46At just shy of three kilometres long, it was a crucial link for transporting coal,
07:51iron and limestone through the Black Country's industrial heartland. However, there was one
07:59major challenge. The tunnel was too narrow and low for horses to walk alongside the canal boat
08:04or for wind power to be effective. So when canal boats wanted to pass through the narrow, low tunnel,
08:11it was traditional for two people to do a bit of what? Punting, legging or hugging?
08:20Nithin, Paul asked, when canal boats want to pass through narrow, low tunnels, it was traditional
08:26for two people to do a bit of what? Punting, legging or hugging?
08:33I'm not going to waste your time on this. Oh, there we go. He knows it, he knows it.
08:37I think it's obvious that it's legging. If you're going to hug, you're going to use your hands,
08:42you might fall in. Punting, there's still not enough room to punt, unless you're pushing from
08:48the back. So I think they were sitting on the barges and walking their way through the tunnel.
08:56Ah, right. Or they could have been laying on their backs. Or on their backs.
08:58And pretend, ah, I get it. So that's logic, I think. Let's take a look. Is it legging?
09:04Yes, it is. He's on a roll. He's on a roll.
09:09You're absolutely bang on. Legging meant pushing the boat through the tunnel using leg power
09:13on the tunnel walls. That's what they did, yes. Professional leggers would be used. The last
09:21professional legger retired in 1949. Right, next up, Kate, Paul is going to the zoo, zoo, zoo.
09:27It's all about you, zoo, zoo, zoo, zoo. Go on, Paul.
09:34With over 40 acres and 200 species, Dudley Zoo is not only home to some amazing animals,
09:41but also some incredible innovation.
09:46As well as ensuring that its animals feel comfortable,
09:49Dudley Zoo also prides itself that its customers feel comfortable too,
09:52with it being an autism friendly accredited zoo. Dudley Zoo has had some memorable residents,
09:59from Sheila the cheetah to Bukama, the western lowland gorilla.
10:05Nicknamed Bonzo, he lived here for 30 years and was a real fan favourite.
10:10As an average sized gorilla, Bonzo weighed 136 kilograms. But which of these Dudley Zoo residents
10:17weighs more than Bonzo? Is it one Patagonian sea lion? Is it 10 meerkats? Or is it 20 Humboldt penguins?
10:28Or which is it?
10:33Kurt, which of these Dudley Zoo residents weighs more than Bonzo the gorilla? Bonzo, by the way,
10:40weighed 136 kilograms. Is it one Patagonian sea lion? Is it 10 meerkats? Is it 20 Humboldt penguins?
10:51Meerkats are really tiny, right? They're like really small. Humboldt penguins, I don't know how
10:56heavy they are, but they're not king penguins. They're the biggest ones, aren't they?
11:01Sea lion. I'm getting my sea lions and my walruses confused.
11:05Ah. I'm going with Patagonian sea lions. All right, let's lock it in.
11:11It's right!
11:12Yes! Well done, well done.
11:15Well done, the Reverend. A single meerkat typically weighs less than one kilogram.
11:20Tiny weeny. Humboldt penguins, which are relatively small penguins,
11:24they weigh around five kilograms. And a Patagonian sea lion can weigh up to 350 kilograms.
11:32That'd be a good tight head. Yeah. All right, Alex, it's your question.
11:37We're off to Dudley Castle next with Paul. Go on, Paul.
11:43Dudley is thought to be named after an Anglo-Saxon landowner named Dudda,
11:48who is named in the 1086 Doomsday Book. Very serious.
11:53Dudley means Dudda's clearing. And Dudley Castle was built in 1070.
11:59Dudley Zoo and Castle have some old treasures to look after, much like this 1950s-era vintage
12:05chairlift. That is no way I'm going on. No, I'm not going on it. No, no, no, no, no, no.
12:12The chairlift was the national first in transport history,
12:15with it being the first passenger-carrying aerial ropeway installed in England.
12:21But which of these statements about the chairlifts is true? If your name is Lenny,
12:27you get to ride on a chairlift for free. Ghosts have been spotted on them. Or,
12:33each individual chair has been x-rayed. Well, which one?
12:40Right, Alex, which one of these statements about the chairlifts at Dudley Zoo and Castle is true?
12:45People called Lenny can ride for free. Ghosts have been spotted on them.
12:53Each individual chair has been x-rayed. Obviously, Dudley is the home of Lenny Henry.
12:59But I think, are they really dishing out free rides for anyone called Lenny?
13:02I don't know if I can believe that. I don't think it's ghosts have been spotted on them.
13:07I don't know why it would be x-rayed. For safety. To check the integrity of the metal.
13:11Yeah, it's a very strong argument. I'm going to play devil's advocate here.
13:15Yeah. It's a historical place. There's lots of ghosts and skeletons.
13:19Also, if you were a ghost, riding the chairlift for eternity would be a lot of fun, right?
13:24Yeah. I think the late injection of the ghost theory, the battlegrounds, the castle.
13:29Let's go with the ghosts. We're going to go with the ghosts.
13:33Ghosts have been spotted on them. Is that the right answer?
13:36No! I knew it! I knew it!
13:38You did know it! You both talked me out of it!
13:39You did know it!
13:41I'm really not that devious, honestly. I really thought it was ghosts.
13:44You took the bait! Game on. The switch has been flicked.
13:47Competitive mode engaged. He's a gladiator, by the way. Let's not forget that.
13:51Does this chair move further away?
13:54Yes, the chairs were x-rayed as part of the chairlift's restoration.
13:58There's no special exemption for Lenny's, but Sir Lenny Henry, who was born in Dudley,
14:03has been involved with various projects filmed at the zoo and, of course, the castle.
14:08Ghosts have been spotted on the grounds of Dudley Castle, but not on the chairlifts.
14:13Right. Time for the bonus question, so if you would very kindly grab your whiteboards, please.
14:19You can get an extra point if you give me the correct answer to this.
14:22In 1985, what was phoned in the latrines of Dudley Castle?
14:27Was it the world's oldest pair of underpants?
14:30The world's oldest condoms?
14:32The world's oldest alarm clock?
14:42What do you think, Nitin?
14:43I'm changing my answer.
14:44Changing your mind.
14:45It's all right, it's all right.
14:46You know, if everyone's going to change their minds,
14:48everyone's going to change their mind too.
14:49Don't change your mind. Stay. Stick.
14:51All right, I'm going to stick with it because it seems sensible.
14:55You're going with the alarm clock. Kate?
14:57I've gone for it. It was between underpants and condoms,
14:59but I've gone for condoms.
15:01Alex, what have you chosen?
15:02I've gone for condoms as well.
15:03Right. Let's find out what the actual answer is.
15:10The condoms were found in the castle in 1985
15:14and thought to have been sealed in there since 1647,
15:18when the castle was surrendered to the parliamentarians
15:22during the English Civil War.
15:24Right, that's the end of that round,
15:25so let's take a look at the scores.
15:28Ooh!
15:29Oh!
15:30It's all happening again!
15:33It's not!
15:34Alex, you've got two.
15:35Kate and Nitin, you've got three points each.
15:37Let's move swiftly on.
15:38All right, gang, this is round three where we like to mix it up
15:41with a little bit of something, something.
15:43And today, it's one of our favourite things.
15:44It's music.
15:46Now, Dudley and the surrounding area in the black country
15:48is known for its coal mining brass band traditions.
15:51But what you might not know is that it also played a huge part
15:55in the rise of 1960s soul, especially the Northern Soul movement.
15:59So, on that note, please welcome a Dudley dude.
16:02With a whole lot of soul, it's sax player,
16:05Gee Chambers, everyone!
16:07Yes, Gee!
16:08Oh, my goodness.
16:10Welcome to the show, Gee.
16:13I'm happy to be here.
16:14Good stuff.
16:15How long have you been playing saxophone?
16:16About 35 years.
16:1735 years.
16:19Right, so every time we play the music round,
16:21the musician plays tunes from the home nation that were in that day.
16:25So today, these are all songs by English artists.
16:28All you've got to do is work out what they are
16:31and write down your answer, please.
16:32You get one point for the title of the track.
16:34You get another point for the artist.
16:37Are you ready for some sexy sax?
16:39Always.
16:40I'm so ready.
16:41Yeah, here we go.
16:42All right, Gee, take it away, please.
17:05Yes, Gee!
17:06Wow!
17:07Yeah!
17:09Love that!
17:12Nitin, what have you put?
17:14You've put Paranoia by Ozzy Osbourne.
17:17But I can't remember the name of the eighth.
17:19Is it Noia or Noid?
17:21That's all right.
17:21That's all right.
17:22Kate?
17:23Well, I couldn't think of the band that he sings in,
17:26but we have just said goodbye to him.
17:27I've gone for Ozzy Osbourne and Paranoid.
17:29Alex?
17:29I've gone to Dua Lipa.
17:31Don't know what the song would be called.
17:32I couldn't think at all what that song...
17:34I know the tune, but I don't know the song.
17:36Sorry.
17:36Wow.
17:36OK, let's have a listen to the actual tune.
17:56Oh...
17:56So, Nitin and Kate, you get two points each.
17:59Alex?
17:59You are without points.
18:01But don't worry, you can pick it up here.
18:03What is this?
18:04Gee, over to you, my friend.
18:08MUSIC PLAYS
18:09MUSIC PLAYS
18:13MUSIC PLAYS
18:14MUSIC PLAYS
18:18MUSIC PLAYS
18:20MUSIC PLAYS
18:22MUSIC PLAYS
18:23MUSIC PLAYS
18:25MUSIC PLAYS
18:25What do you think?
18:29Oh, come on.
18:30Think, think, think, think, think, think.
18:32Have you got it, Kate?
18:33Do you think you know it?
18:33I think so.
18:34Alex, confident?
18:35Pretty confident I've got it, yeah.
18:36Pretty confident, right.
18:36I've got the...
18:37It's in my mind, but I haven't got anything.
18:39All right, well, write something down.
18:41Oh, hang on.
18:42The song's coming to my mind.
18:45Oh, I'm never going to remember it.
18:47It's going to take an hour or so for...
18:48So, um...
18:51All right, I don't know.
18:54Humpty Dumpty.
18:55It's a classic.
18:56Wow.
18:57Reverend Kate, what have you got?
18:59I've gone for The Shape of You, Ed Sheeran.
19:01There, it's the one you hear.
19:03Alex?
19:03Exactly the same.
19:04Ed Sheeran, Shape of You.
19:05Yes, well done.
19:07Let's hear what it is.
19:08MUSIC PLAYS
19:09MUSIC PLAYS
19:11MUSIC PLAYS
19:13It's right there, wasn't it?
19:13I did try and tell you.
19:15I know you, I know you.
19:18MUSIC PLAYS
19:18Right, that is Ed Sheeran, Shape of You.
19:22So, well done, Kate and Alex.
19:24You both get two points each,
19:25because you identified the track and the artist.
19:27Right, we're going to do one more.
19:28Gee, over to you.
19:29What is this?
19:32MUSIC PLAYS
19:33MUSIC PLAYS
19:36MUSIC PLAYS
19:40MUSIC PLAYS
19:41MUSIC PLAYS
20:00You all look very pensive.
20:01Kate, you look very confident.
20:02Do I? I didn't mean to.
20:04Let me just adjust my face.
20:05LAUGHTER
20:07Oh, yeah, got it. Hang on.
20:09All right, is that a light bulb moment?
20:10You know when it's so obvious and then you can't remember?
20:14Come on, man.
20:15Nothing, what you put?
20:15Come on, Alex, come on, man.
20:16Yep, we're ready.
20:18Valerie by Amy Winehouse.
20:19Very good.
20:20Kate?
20:21Valerie by Amy Winehouse and Mark Ronson.
20:23Yes. Alex?
20:24I went Valerie but couldn't remember.
20:26Oh!
20:27Yeah, I just had that.
20:28Yeah.
20:28Well, let's find out what it sounds like.
20:33MUSIC PLAYS
20:34This is the original.
20:35Yes, it is, Valerie.
20:36We would have accepted the Zootons, who did the original,
20:38and then it was covered by Amy Winehouse with Mark Ronson.
20:41So, well done.
20:42Bravo.
20:43Thank you very much.
20:44Gee, everyone.
20:45CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
20:50Look at that.
20:51What a treat.
20:52Perfect.
20:53So, that's the end of an eventful round three.
20:55Let's take a look at the scores.
20:57Alex, you've got five.
20:59Nithyan, you've got seven.
21:00Kate, you've crept ahead with nine.
21:03Brace yourselves.
21:04Let's go back to Paul now, who's visiting one of Europe's
21:06largest Hindu temples.
21:11On the outskirts of Dudley, the Hindu temple of Sri Venkateswara is the largest Hindu temple
21:17of its kind in Europe, welcoming around half a million visitors every year.
21:21To celebrate unity, the temple even dedicated its seven hills on the grounds to the seven other
21:27religions, including Islam, Sikhism, and Christianity, showing how the different belief
21:33systems can all coexist.
21:35In fact, this one hill is dedicated to the Zoroastrian faith, and it was inaugurated
21:41by the family of a world-famous musician.
21:43But would you believe that famous musician was George Harrison?
21:51Nithyan, know then, the Zoroastrian faith hill was dedicated by the family of a famous musician.
21:58But would you believe that famous musician was George Harrison?
22:03No, I wouldn't, because I know George Harrison became a Hare Krishna.
22:06I don't know. I think I know who it was, but it's definitely not George Harrison.
22:11Who do you think it was?
22:12Freddie Mercury. He was born in a Farsi family in India. He must have been Zoroastrian, yeah.
22:18Are we right not to believe it was George Harrison?
22:22Yeah!
22:23Absolutely right.
22:24Yes. It was, in fact, the family of Freddie Mercury.
22:27Yeah, well done.
22:28Who inaugurated that hill.
22:30His family were of the Zoroastrian faith.
22:33George Harrison was, however, closely associated with the Hare Krishna movement.
22:37So you were bang on?
22:38Good knowledge.
22:38I wish I could have given you a bonus point, but unfortunately, the rules say I can't.
22:43Right, Kate, it's your turn.
22:44All right. Paul is in a giant nest. Paul, what's going on?
22:52Just north of Dudley Town Centre sits Wren's Nest,
22:55one of the most important geological sites in Britain and England's first urban natural nature reserve.
23:02J. R. R. Tolkien, the creator of the Lord of the Rings,
23:06spent his formative years overlooking the black country from his school on the outskirts of Birmingham.
23:12Later, at Oxford, he became close friends with C.S. Lewis, and the two went on to influence much of
23:18each other's work.
23:19But would you believe that C.S. Lewis based the magical land of Narnia on the black country?
23:34I mean, Narnia's like snow and stuff, isn't it? So I'm thinking the Midlands doesn't get much snow, does it?
23:40I don't believe it.
23:41You don't believe it?
23:42No, I don't believe it.
23:43You don't believe it?
23:43A lady of faith don't believe it.
23:44We don't believe that C.S. Lewis based the magical land of Narnia on the black country.
23:48Are we right, though?
23:50Yeah!
23:51We were right not to believe it. Excellent stuff.
23:55C.S. Lewis took inspiration for Narnia from the Morn Mountains in Northern Ireland,
23:59where he was from.
24:00There you go.
24:01The black country did, however, inspire the land of Mordor from Lord of the Rings.
24:07With its industrial heritage, Mordor literally means black land in Tolkien's elvish language.
24:13Right, sad times, I'm afraid. It's time for Paul's final stop on this episode,
24:17but he's feeling quite small next to a footballing giant.
24:24One of Dudley's most famous sons, football manager Sam Allardyce,
24:29seen immortalised here, tucking into a bag of orange chips. Delicious.
24:35The mural appeared overnight in 2025, with the locals, known as YamYams,
24:41hoping that they've got their very own Banksy.
24:44But would you believe that Sam Allardyce also holds the record
24:48for the highest win percentage of any England men's football manager?
25:09The problem I have here is I think he is kind of the generation before that I know.
25:14He's the manager that scrapes everyone out the bottom of the barrel, isn't he?
25:17Yeah, that's how I would know it.
25:19He either keeps you in the Premier League, unless it's Leeds, or he gets you promoted.
25:24And I think that trust must have come from somewhere at some point.
25:27So at some point he must have been good. So I'm going to say, yes, I do believe.
25:32He's a legend.
25:33Yeah.
25:37Well done. Sam Allardyce has been England manager.
25:40He was England manager for just 67 days and he had a win percentage of one of one.
25:46Played one, won one. He has a 100% record with the England team.
25:51The game was in 2016. It was a World Cup qualifier against Slovakia.
25:55England won 1-0 and the winning goal was seconds from the final whistle.
25:59Well, there you go. That's the end of that round. So let's take a look at the scores.
26:03Before we enter the quickfire round. Alex, you've got six. Nithin, you've got eight.
26:08Kate, you've got ten points. So in the next round, anyone can take victory today.
26:14All you've got to do remember is fill in the blanks. All right. Good luck to you all.
26:22Dudley's Rhianne Evans is a world champion in this sport.
26:29Nithin. Snooker. Snooker. It is snooker.
26:31Yes. Well done, Nithin. Next question.
26:39Go on, Kate. Bride of Frankenstein.
26:42It is The Bride of Frankenstein.
26:44Oh, thank you. Yes. Next one.
26:49Kate. The Gunpowder Plot.
26:51It is The Gunpowder Plot. Yes. Next question.
27:02Kate. Tiswas.
27:04It is Tiswas. She's flying. Come on, Nithin.
27:12Kate. Wolverhampton.
27:14It is Wolverhampton. Yes. Oh, that's it. Time's up.
27:19I so knew some of those. The final buzzer has blown.
27:21Right. Let's take a look at the end of that round. What the scores look like.
27:27Oh, Alex, you've got six. Nithin, you've got nine. But there she is. Top of the podium today.
27:32Again, Kate with 14 points.
27:34Well done.
27:37So, Kate, you get three points for winning today. Nithin, you get two points. Alex, you get a point.
27:42So, let's take a look at this week's leaderboard so far. Kate's got six. Alex got three. Nithin,
27:48you've got three as well. You can still win by the end of the week, boys. But for now,
27:56Kate is sitting right at the top of the weekly leaderboard. And of course, Kate, that means that
28:00you win the very much sought after postcard from Paul. There he is in Dudley. Thanks, Paul.
28:04And you get a little bit of a prize. Love that. Inflatable saxophone. I'm sure you can integrate
28:09that into one of your sermons. Yeah, that's fabulous. Yeah, good stuff. Well, that's it for today.
28:15Join us again next time when we might be showing up near you. But for now, au revoir.
28:40We'll see you next time.
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