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00:04Hello sir. How are you doing? Good, how are you?
00:06I want to talk to you. Okay. Where is she at?
00:10I'm here. Okay. Let me talk to you and then I'll come talk to her.
00:14Can I have a little bit of privacy?
00:17I want to talk to you. Okay. Are you okay, first of all?
00:22Yeah, I'm all right. Yeah, okay.
00:33You don't need us to call a rescue or anything to come check you out? Okay.
00:48So this is where it happened?
00:50Yep. She come barging up in here. She stoned on me. We tussled.
00:57Okay. All right.
01:00Uh, she says I owe her money. She want me to pull up the bank accounts.
01:05And I told her, we got no money. I can't pay you what we ain't got.
01:10I work for it and you ain't work for nothing. You ain't brought in no money.
01:14I'm the one to bring in the money for here. This is my business.
01:19You know what I'm saying? She wrote a grant and I paid her.
01:23How about the cash you got? You know? Okay.
01:27I don't have any money right now.
01:28Are you guys partners or what's the relationship?
01:31No, no. This is my business. I own it.
01:32Okay. Okay. So...
01:33I'm Brian Macklemore.
01:34Okay. Um, so what kind of relationship is it? Is she just helps here sometimes?
01:40She started as a volunteer. Okay.
01:44When we got some money, I was able to pay her. Okay.
01:47When we got the building grant, I was able to pay her. The money's gone. Okay?
01:52Okay.
01:53So I ain't got no money now. She come telling me she wants cigarettes and gas. I don't have any
01:58money.
02:00Okay. So you bought the car she drives? You bought the car she drives? Everything paid for her? Okay.
02:05I gave her $10,000 to go get an apartment, but she didn't bought the goddamn car.
02:09Okay. So you were here doing your work, minding your business.
02:12I'm here trying to get on this shit, and she just came in, bodged in on me, wouldn't move me,
02:20set up coffee on my desk.
02:22Okay.
02:24And thought she was just going to bogart me.
02:27Was she upset when she came in here? Was she right away upset or got upset?
02:30Yeah. I came in here talking about how I've been spending money, and I owe her. This is my business.
02:36I don't owe you anything.
02:38Okay. I do see your forehead. Can I take a look? She scratched your face?
02:42Yeah, she scratched my face.
02:43How did she, you said she stole off you. How did that happen?
02:46Well, when we got to toss it and everything, went in that corner all the way to here.
02:50Okay.
02:51Can't find my hearing aid.
02:52Okay.
02:54I see the battery on the floor.
02:56Okay.
02:57I don't know.
02:58How much is that?
03:00It's supposed to be over about $1,000. I don't know.
03:02Okay.
03:03I'm looking for it.
03:04Yeah.
03:06Okay. So she comes in here, you guys start arguing, and then what happens?
03:10I asked her to leave my office.
03:12You're still sitting down at this point?
03:13Right. I asked her to leave my office.
03:15No, I got up, and I told her to leave. I went to the door.
03:18She was sitting right here?
03:19Right. Then I put on my coat. I was going to leave.
03:22Okay.
03:22I was going to leave.
03:24Mm-hmm.
03:24And she grabbed me.
03:26Where did she grab you?
03:27She grabbed the coat. I had my coat on.
03:29Okay. Where did she grab on the coat?
03:31My hood.
03:32Your hood. And then did she pull you back, or what did she do?
03:35Just grab it?
03:37I don't want to press charge on her. I just want her to leave.
03:40You just want her to leave?
03:41I want her to leave.
03:41Okay.
03:42You know.
03:43Okay.
03:44And if possible, their computer that belongs to Black Lives Matter, leave the computer.
03:49The one that she was typing on?
03:51Yeah.
03:52Okay.
03:52She got jeans and everything to his office, but I'm going to change all that.
03:56Okay.
03:57You want her to leave?
03:57And what happens if she comes back?
04:00Do you want her to come back?
04:01Just not now?
04:02I don't know.
04:03Right now, I just want to hold her apart.
04:05Okay.
04:05And you say you don't want to press charges.
04:06Is there any more injuries on you that I can see?
04:09No, I'm all right.
04:10I'm all right.
04:11I'm all right.
04:12I'm all right.
04:13Okay.
04:17Okay.
04:19I'll go talk to her.
04:21I don't know if you want to stay up here while I go talk to her and see what's going
04:24on from her side.
04:26Um, and then I'll come talk to you after.
04:28I just don't really want you guys in the same room, you know, if you guys are arguing.
04:32I'm going to get a mop to clean the shit up.
04:34Okay.
04:35What's your first name again?
04:36My name is Clyde Macklemore.
04:37I'm the executive director.
04:39Okay.
04:41Macklemore, how do you spell that?
04:42This ain't our first fight either.
04:44No?
04:45Okay.
04:45She stole it on me before.
04:46I got a video on me.
04:48Stole on me downstairs.
04:50I got cameras on everything in me.
04:53Do you have cameras here and here?
04:55No.
04:55No?
04:56Okay.
04:56I got them all around.
04:57Okay.
04:59About what time did she, did she get here?
05:01About 20 minutes ago.
05:0320 minutes ago?
05:03Okay.
05:04So like 12.
05:0640 minutes.
05:07I just called, talked to, uh, Chief Navarro.
05:10Okay.
05:10What did he tell you?
05:11Called police?
05:12She came back in here talking about she left her coffee up in here.
05:16Mm-hmm.
05:16And that's when we got in touch again.
05:17I called Chief Navarro.
05:19Oh, again.
05:19Okay.
05:20And they only sent nobody here.
05:22Okay.
05:23We're here.
05:24We're gonna help you out.
05:25I know you want her.
05:31Okay.
05:49Okay.
05:49Let me go talk to her, okay?
05:52I'll be right back, okay?
05:53I'll be right back.
05:56Okay.
05:58Okay.
06:18I'll be right back.
06:25I'll be right back.
06:25I'm gonna do it.
06:26I'm gonna do it.
06:26You can do it.
06:27I can do it.
06:27I can do it.
06:28Okay, so I know you probably talked to her, but now it's time to talk to me.
06:32What happened when you got here?
06:34I've been here since like 9 o'clock this morning.
06:37Okay.
06:40I asked him for some money because I know that the funding is limited,
06:44but I also know that I filled out paperwork for a couple grants that we have due,
06:51and I asked about the money, and per usual, when I asked about money, we started fighting.
06:57Okay. Fighting or arguing?
06:59No, we started arguing, and then it turned, it escalated into a lot.
07:06Well, it wasn't fighting. It was more like tussling.
07:08Tussling? What's tussling? You've got to kind of explain to me.
07:11Just a lot of pushing, like just pushing and pretty much body slamming.
07:17Okay, when you walked in, he was sitting down or standing up?
07:20He was sitting in his chair.
07:21He was sitting in his chair? Okay.
07:23And then you just came in, and you started asking him for money,
07:26and I just want to know how the testing started.
07:28I came in here, I asked him, I said, when did the money come?
07:29He said, it don't matter. I ain't giving you shit.
07:32That's what he said. I ain't giving you shit.
07:34Okay.
07:35That's what he told me. I'm not giving you shit.
07:37I told him, it's not fair that I come here, and I work,
07:39and you running around taking care of other things
07:42that don't got nothing to do with Black Lives Matter,
07:43with Black Lives Matter money.
07:45I'm the one that make this joint work.
07:47And he told me he didn't give a fuck.
07:49He wasn't giving me nothing.
07:50Okay.
07:51And I told him, pay me for the work that I did do, and I'll leave.
07:54And he stood up and told me, get the fuck out of his office.
07:56And I told him, yeah, after you pay me.
07:58And the entire time I was standing there,
08:00I was standing there right over left,
08:02with my hands crossed, right over left,
08:04and he pushed me in my chest and told me,
08:06get the fuck out of his office.
08:07And we started hustling.
08:09Okay.
08:11At any point, did he put his jacket on?
08:12Did he have his jacket on or no?
08:14Yeah.
08:15Okay, and did he ask you to leave before that happened?
08:18And I told him, yeah, when he gave me some money.
08:19Okay.
08:20Does he owe you any money for these grants?
08:22Because he said he doesn't owe you anything anymore.
08:24If you, do you want me to put up the grant?
08:26Do you want me to put up the grant that I made,
08:29the proposal, the organizational summary that I submitted?
08:31No, that's not what I'm asking.
08:32Because it says that I'm supposed to.
08:33It says that it is a funding in there for me
08:35to allow it to get paid for community engagement.
08:37Okay.
08:37And furthermore, I constructed the whole entire grant.
08:40So, yeah, I am allotted money from the grant.
08:42Okay, how often?
08:43That is not a, it wasn't a, it was a one-time,
08:47just like a program, like to help you operate your program.
08:52Like a budget summary, like you have a special program running.
08:56It was just money to help run the program.
08:59And he hasn't given you money from that at all?
09:01Not to my knowledge.
09:03Okay.
09:03The car do you have?
09:05How do you have it?
09:06Did he give it to you, buy it for you, or did you buy it?
09:08I bought my own car.
09:09You bought your own car?
09:10Okay.
09:11Because he's telling us otherwise, he said that he bought you the car.
09:14I don't know, right?
09:15I'm just kind of asking what's going on.
09:17But I know arguments have started.
09:19Okay.
09:19I bought the car with my money that I got from working the last DCEO grant.
09:24Do you want the paperwork?
09:26Yeah, let me see the paperwork.
09:27Yeah, just to be sure.
09:30Do you, because of the tussling that happened, do you have any marks on your own thing?
09:34Yeah, I got a busted lip and broken nails.
09:36Can I see?
09:38Okay, let me see your nails.
09:40This one's bleeding.
09:41These are broken.
09:42The other ones are chipped off and broken.
09:45Okay.
09:45Should I show her, too?
09:46Yeah, remember I had said that she's the main officer.
09:48Okay, okay.
09:49Yeah, you can show me.
09:50Okay, okay, okay.
09:54Okay, can I grab it?
09:56I'm going to go back, okay.
10:08So this happened in the hallway.
10:10That was back in November.
10:12Oh, this was in November.
10:13This happens every time I try to get funding.
10:15Like, my biggest thing is he always attacks me when I acknowledge that you do stuff for
10:21things that are not Black Lives Matter related, and I stay here and work for free already.
10:26Okay, and you call, did you call the police when this happened?
10:28No, I didn't.
10:29I know I didn't.
10:30I would not like to see a black man in jail.
10:32I decided to take the bigger person route and stay away for a couple days, still maintain
10:37my sanity and work.
10:40Okay, but you do know this isn't healthy anymore, though?
10:45You know what I'm saying?
10:46I do know.
10:47Like, I know you're making your money.
10:48You're doing something, but...
10:50Oh, I'm not making no money.
10:51You see, y'all is going to fight for it.
10:52Like, currently, right now, I'm doing a...
10:54I'm in the middle of a low-income energy efficiency grant for $24,000, and that's why I'm here,
11:01actually, because I'm doing work in regards to that in preparation to do my events for that.
11:07And, like, that's the only money that's coming in around here.
11:10And, like, every time we do get extra money, it's, no, you can't have anything.
11:14You have to wait till this get here, or you got to wait for this, but you steady out here
11:18doing other stuff.
11:20That's the fact of the matter.
11:21That's why I was so mad and adamant about getting paid today.
11:24Okay.
11:24Because I constantly see you doing stuff for everybody else, and I'm sitting here hungry,
11:28struggling with my 18-year-old.
11:30Well, he's 17, finished 18.
11:32Yeah.
11:32No, that's not fair to me.
11:33Yeah.
11:34Okay.
11:35And for you to attack me every time we talk about money to me, that means guilt.
11:38You guys don't have anything, like, signed, like an agreement or something?
11:41Yeah, we have one for my grant contract, and currently, I'm supposed to be signing up
11:48for their workforce development program.
11:52Like, they have an internship where they can pay me for six months because the funding was
11:57limited here.
11:57Okay.
11:58Why don't you go to court?
11:59Why don't you go to court to get your money and do this stuff?
12:02Well, 21.
12:03I'm still in the middle of a project.
12:06Okay.
12:06And courts cost money.
12:07Yeah.
12:08This was the money that I made during the DCEO grant.
12:13Okay.
12:13Okay.
12:14That's how I bought my car.
12:15Okay.
12:16All right.
12:16So, I did go talk to him.
12:18He told me kind of what happened.
12:20He didn't tell you what happened.
12:21He lied.
12:22He told me his side, right?
12:23I asked him your side, and then I asked his side.
12:25He lied.
12:26He did.
12:26Yeah, I know.
12:27So, he did say that he just wants you out of the property for now.
12:32He doesn't want to do like a trespass, doesn't want to press charges.
12:35You both were fighting, right?
12:38I can either arrest both of you or neither of you, and right now I'm going to make the
12:42decision to do neither of you because you were both tussling, and it's been a long history
12:46of you guys fighting, right?
12:49Obviously, I'm going to give you my opinion, but you're a grown woman.
12:51You're going to take whatever you want to take, but I...
12:54I'm getting away from here.
12:55This is not a good situation for me.
12:57Okay.
12:57Good.
12:58Okay.
12:59And then that computer, is that yours or is that his?
13:01Yeah, that's mine.
13:01It's yours?
13:02Okay.
13:03That's also something else where you say it's yours, he says it's his, but that's not
13:06something I'm going to...
13:07Because I'm still in the position, I'm still doing work.
13:10I'm in the middle of a federal grant agreement with Metropolitan's Mayor Caucus.
13:14Okay.
13:15Let me go talk to him.
13:15I'm still doing my work.
13:16Just leave the area just for now or for today, for the next couple days like you normally do.
13:21Okay.
13:21Let me go talk to him, and I'll tell him that you're going to be heading out.
13:24Okay?
13:24Just go outside with the other officer, and then I'll be right out.
13:26Okay?
13:29Okay.
14:04Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, chat.
14:07Yeah, get over here as soon as you can.
14:10All right.
14:12All right.
14:13Let me talk to the police.
14:15Okay, so I did talk to her.
14:16She's going to leave.
14:17I told her to leave you alone for the next couple days, whatever it may be, okay?
14:21She's telling me that there's money owed, all this stuff, but I told her that's not our
14:25department.
14:26That's more of court department, right?
14:28Look at all these texts.
14:29Yeah.
14:30Look at all these texts.
14:31This is the type of stuff I've got to go through with her.
14:34I mean, you both are grown adults, right?
14:38Yeah.
14:38You both get to decide what you guys want to do.
14:40What I can recommend is maybe just cut ties off, you know, and that's it and be done.
14:45She told me it was hers.
14:47That's not her computer.
14:48Look, I'm not...
14:49That's black lives, not a computer.
14:50And she says she's in the middle of a project.
14:52The only thing that I can advise is if you want to fight for the computer and all that
14:57stuff, go through the court, right?
14:59Because I can't tell her, hey, give it to me because there's nothing for me.
15:03You know what I'm saying?
15:04I can't prove and say, yeah, this is...
15:06She told me she's in the middle of a project.
15:08Pretty sure she'll be back.
15:09But what I recommend is...
15:13Okay, that's something that you're going to have to talk to her.
15:16Maybe not, definitely not today, probably in the next couple of days, but I did ask her
15:19to leave, okay?
15:20She's outside with the other officer.
15:21I told her to leave.
15:22My other employee on this way.
15:24Okay, okay.
15:25Because he's going to have to clean the shit up because I ain't getting ready to clean up.
15:28I can't find him up here and there.
15:30Maybe he can help you with a new set of eyes, you know?
15:32I hope you find it, though.
15:33Would you like an incident number of what happened today?
15:36No.
15:36No?
15:36Nothing?
15:37Okay.
15:38Okay.
15:38Is there anything else I can do for you today?
15:40Okay, so...
15:41But I'm going to show you this video.
15:42Okay, yeah, show me.
15:54See, I got cameras all around here.
15:57I'm coming down the hallway, right?
15:59Mm-hmm.
16:00Because I sent it to her.
16:03I'm coming down the hallway.
16:05I got my hand.
16:06She just stole on me.
16:13You know, what I can also recommend is maybe get an order of protection.
16:17You own this building?
16:18Yep.
16:19This is, yep.
16:19I would put your house.
16:20I would put this place.
16:22I would put everything.
16:23That way, if you don't want her working for you anymore...
16:29This happens often, huh?
16:32No, this is our second time.
16:33Second time?
16:34Okay.
16:34That time really shocked me because I ate my hands for them.
16:37I'm walking down the hallway.
16:39She come around the corner.
16:41Okay.
16:42Yeah, see, this is happening, like, two times.
16:45One time, it's crazy, right?
16:46Two times, it's a little too often now.
16:48That's why I'm like, maybe get an order of protection.
16:50That way she doesn't get close to you.
16:52Yeah.
16:52Close to your property.
16:54She's going to text me in because I came in.
16:56I had a meeting at 9 o'clock at District 60.
16:59So I came in.
17:01I left.
17:02And I came in.
17:03I grabbed some files.
17:04And I left.
17:05And she turned around, texted me, why you run?
17:08Fuck, I'm running for.
17:09Mm-hmm.
17:11You know?
17:12Yeah.
17:12I ain't running from nothing.
17:13That's my shit.
17:14You need to get up out of my shit.
17:17Yeah.
17:17Which she is.
17:18She's leaving.
17:19But, like I said, order of protection might be the best case.
17:23What you running for?
17:25Ain't nobody running out here to me.
17:27The hell you talking about running?
17:29Yeah.
17:29Do you see how this is unhealthy, though?
17:31It's going to be.
17:32It happened once.
17:33It happened twice.
17:33And who knows if it's going to happen more.
17:35I don't want to.
17:36We don't want to come back and have to arrest someone, right?
17:38Over something like this that can be resolved by getting order of protection or someone leaving each other.
17:42And we're supposed to be helping the community.
17:44Yeah.
17:44Yeah.
17:44Helping each other, too.
17:45That's why you guys are working together.
17:46But I'll head out if there's nothing else, okay?
17:49I'll make sure that she needs the property.
17:51And hopefully she doesn't come back until whenever you guys decide to fix things, if you ever do, okay?
18:14All right.
18:15So if you need anything else, call us, okay?
18:16I'll see you.
18:16Okay.
18:18I'll see you.
18:33I'm going to do a cell.
18:34I'm going to do a cell.
18:34I'll see you.
18:34I'll see you.
18:34I'll see you.
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