00:00In this context, let's join a special guest at this moment, Bruno Lima, Brazilian expert in foreign affairs.
00:06Hello, Bruno, and welcome to From the South.
00:09Carl, thanks for having me.
00:11Bruno, the US and Israel is no longer disguising their attempts at regime change in Iran,
00:18completely dismantling the imperial narrative about the so-called Iranian nuclear threats.
00:23As they performed this attack, they were even calling on the Iranian people to overthrow their government.
00:29Does this action, not just the aggression per se, but also this action, this calling,
00:35how it violates the principle of non-intervention?
00:40I really think that we should not anymore be surprised by any actions from Netanyahu or Trump
00:48or even the hypocrites from the European Union.
00:53I can say with full responsibility that Donald Trump did not have any attention on the negotiations.
01:04He only wanted Iran to surrender to the wills of Washington and Tel Aviv.
01:11And he said this Saturday earlier in the Western Hemisphere time, in his speech, he said,
01:20our commitment is to obliterate the Iranian capacity of missile defense and their full navy.
01:29So they want to conquer a territory, going back to what they have done in 1953 with a coup d
01:36'etat
01:36against an elected government,
01:39who was administrated by the Premier Mohamed Mossadegh
01:43and the nationalization of the Iranian oil.
01:47So they want to steal, again, not only the Iranian oil,
01:50they want to stop the development of Iran
01:53and integration with an economic integration with Russia and China,
01:59among Asia and Eurasia.
02:01That's what they want to do.
02:03Also, if the goal is, actually, liberation, as they say,
02:07what is the primary consequence, infrastructure destruction and also civilian deaths?
02:15Those like myself, who come from the left branches of the Western politics,
02:23we understood and learned very earlier that there is not a revolution
02:27or a regime change that can be exported.
02:31It is impossible to any powers like the United States to impose a regime change.
02:38If the Iranian population are loyal to the Republic
02:43and loyal to their own sovereignty,
02:46they cannot impose a regime change.
02:49They can impose a war and aggression,
02:52or they can try to invade a land invasion on Iran.
02:58And we will have, for example, the second war in Iraq,
03:0410 times plus bigger,
03:06because Iran knows to defend themselves.
03:10And they can have this possibility to defend the aggression
03:13corner by corner, street by street.
03:17Also, the death of over 100 people at a school,
03:22an elementary school of girls,
03:25is being framed as a central moral failure of the operation.
03:28How should the global human rights community
03:31categorize this action against Iran?
03:35This is a crime, but they are dismissing this like,
03:40ah, we defend the sovereignty of the people of Iran
03:43against an authoritarian regime.
03:47They are saying that they defend.
03:49And Netanyahu said,
03:51we count on our friends of Azeri's descendancy
03:54and Kurdish descendancy
03:56to overthrow the authoritarian regime of the Yatollah.
04:00This is a fool.
04:03They are lying to the people.
04:05And I really, I'm really sorry to say this,
04:08but the National Security Council
04:11cannot be anymore taken serious.
04:14And the possibility to stop in this war now
04:18is all the aggressors,
04:20the aggressors,
04:22they retreat and go back.
04:24I cannot believe on this.
04:27Or Russia and China
04:29is,
04:30it starts to talking louder
04:32and bigger.
04:33And for example,
04:35freeze the relationships,
04:37diplomatic relationships with Israel.
04:39This is possible.
04:42If China and Russia
04:44do not
04:46have any more relationship with Israel,
04:50freeze their investment in Israel,
04:52and Russia
04:52calls for the sins
04:54to regret from the State of Israel
04:56or the Zionist entity,
04:57it can stop the war.
04:59Otherwise,
05:00I really think that
05:01we are going to a long-term process.
05:04Also from the precedents,
05:06from a precedent perspective,
05:07the history of Western interventions,
05:10for example,
05:11Iraq,
05:11Libya,
05:12suggested that regime change
05:14leads to chaos.
05:15Then why the US
05:16is repeating the same mistake again?
05:22This is a wonderful question
05:24that we can have this.
05:26I remember the time
05:28that I was in class
05:29teaching international politics
05:30and political science,
05:32that why the societies
05:34do repeat the same mistakes
05:36again and again and again.
05:38This is a mechanism
05:39of domination
05:40and they can repeat
05:41the lie.
05:44They can lie again and again
05:45and one third
05:47or one fourth
05:48of the population
05:49of the United States
05:50will believe on it,
05:52on that,
05:53and they can go forward.
05:54If we have
05:56the full legality
05:58of the aggression
05:59that started today,
06:00Donald Trump
06:01does not have
06:02the possibility
06:02of doing this.
06:04even not
06:05inside the US Republic.
06:08So,
06:08they are lying,
06:09they are being illegal
06:11on their own law,
06:12and they have
06:13full capability
06:14of aggression
06:15against a sovereign country.
06:17I really think
06:18that we are starting
06:19to go through
06:20very dangerous days,
06:21I would say so.
06:23Also,
06:24at this moment,
06:25the United Nations
06:26Security Council
06:28is holding
06:29an emergency meeting
06:30to address
06:31precisely the escalating
06:32conflict
06:32following the United States
06:34and Israel's
06:34military strikes
06:35on Iran,
06:36with some nations
06:38questioning
06:39Iran's legal right
06:40to defend its sovereignty
06:42under international law.
06:43It seems like
06:43they are putting
06:44the scope on the victim
06:46rather than
06:47the perpetrator.
06:48How can this
06:48show the stage
06:50of this multilateral body
06:51in the current scenario
06:53that is also marked
06:54by the total inability
06:55of the international community
06:57to hold the US
06:58and also Israel
06:59accountable
07:00for their constant
07:01violation of
07:02international law?
07:04I will quote
07:06what Marco Rubio said
07:08once he had
07:09an agreement
07:09with the
07:10suspicious of
07:12being a drug dealer
07:13president of Ecuador,
07:15Daniel Nobuo.
07:16He said,
07:18I don't care,
07:19we don't care
07:20what the United Nations
07:21Office on Drugs
07:22are saying.
07:23We have our own numbers
07:25and our own goals
07:25to achieve.
07:27This is Marco Rubio,
07:28not me.
07:29So,
07:31what is going on
07:32there
07:32is a trite
07:33of
07:36war speech
07:37or narrative
07:38war
07:40trying to
07:41transform
07:42the victim
07:43in the
07:44aggressor
07:45and the aggressor
07:46in those
07:46who defend themselves.
07:48The Nazis
07:49did the same.
07:50The Nazis
07:51said they have
07:52an existential
07:55threat
07:56on Poland,
07:58on Czechoslovakia
08:00and they have
08:01to invade
08:01some territories
08:03to defend
08:04themselves
08:04preventiously.
08:06This is what
08:07Israel is doing.
08:08This is what
08:08the US is doing.
08:10Also,
08:11going back
08:12to the first
08:12moments of
08:13these attacks
08:13and centering
08:14in Iran,
08:15how has
08:16Iran's command
08:17and control
08:18resilience
08:19enabled
08:20a rapid
08:21crushing response
08:22in the face
08:22of this attack?
08:24This is a
08:25very interesting
08:26situation.
08:27We are
08:28facing the
08:29third oil
08:30crisis,
08:31the first
08:31very big
08:31in this
08:32century.
08:34And as
08:35long as we
08:35follow through
08:36international
08:37media,
08:38and especially
08:39Iranian media,
08:41the republic
08:41still has
08:42full capability
08:44of closing
08:45the Ormuz
08:46Strait
08:47and damaging
08:48the US
08:50vessels who
08:51are invading
08:51the Iranian
08:52waters.
08:54The other
08:55situation is
08:56that,
08:56for example,
08:57we know
08:58that the
08:59authority
09:00of the
09:01republic,
09:02they are
09:02in the
09:03soil or
09:04underground
09:05and doing
09:06their job.
09:07Meanwhile,
09:08Netanyahu
09:09is flying,
09:10we don't know
09:11where,
09:11to Cyprus,
09:12to Greece,
09:13I don't know
09:13where,
09:14because he
09:15is escaping
09:15Israel,
09:17he cannot
09:17face a
09:18full enemy.
09:19They are
09:20very capable
09:21in Israel
09:21to massacre
09:23and kill
09:25children and
09:26women and
09:27old and
09:27the ancients,
09:28but they
09:30are not
09:30capable to
09:31face a
09:32full war
09:32against a
09:33sovereign
09:33state
09:34without the
09:36help of
09:36the United
09:36States.
09:37I really
09:38think that
09:39Iran will
09:39defend
09:40themselves
09:40until the
09:41end.
09:42I don't
09:43know what
09:44will be
09:44the end,
09:44but they
09:45will
09:45defend
09:45themselves.
09:46Going
09:47back to
09:47an idea
09:48that we
09:49mentioned
09:50earlier,
09:51the US
09:51and Israel
09:52were calling
09:52on the
09:53people to
09:53perform a
09:55social unrest
09:55against the
09:56government.
09:56However,
09:57we've seen
09:57that otherwise
09:59has happened.
10:00The people
10:00are on the
10:01streets
10:01defending
10:02their government,
10:03also defending
10:03the response,
10:04the harsh
10:04response that
10:06they have
10:06given in
10:07the face
10:07of these
10:08terrorist
10:08actions
10:09against the
10:09nation.
10:10How
10:10determined
10:11in the face
10:12of these
10:12circumstances,
10:13how determined
10:13is Iran
10:14in defending
10:16their sovereignty
10:16and what's
10:17the role
10:18of the people
10:19in this
10:20task?
10:21This is a
10:22very interesting
10:23situation because
10:25if we did
10:27have a full
10:28authoritarian
10:28regime,
10:29nobody would be
10:30going to the
10:31streets facing
10:32the damage
10:33or the risk
10:35of being killed
10:35by an Israeli
10:37drone or
10:38US missile.
10:40if the
10:40people in
10:41Iran are
10:42taking the
10:42streets,
10:43demonstrating
10:43in favor
10:44of their
10:44own
10:44country,
10:46this is a
10:46full,
10:47I would
10:48say,
10:48message to
10:49Washington.
10:50There will
10:51be no
10:52regime change
10:53inside of
10:53Iran.
10:54If you want
10:55to invade,
10:55try to
10:56invade,
10:57but we're
10:57not overthrowing
10:59the republic
11:00to put some
11:01puppet,
11:02like the
11:02grandson of
11:04the first
11:05Shah,
11:06to sell
11:08our
11:08richness of
11:10the oil
11:11and our
11:12industry for
11:13your own
11:14interests.
11:14We're not
11:15changing the
11:18richness of
11:19Iran and
11:19sovereignty of
11:20Iran to
11:21new Western
11:22society habits,
11:25for example.
11:25This is not a
11:26place for
11:27lifestyle.
11:28This is a
11:28fight for
11:29die or
11:31live with
11:32sovereignty
11:33and
11:33dependency.
11:34I think that
11:35the population
11:35of Iran,
11:36the people
11:37of Iran,
11:37are giving
11:38a very,
11:39very strong
11:40message for
11:41the Western
11:41societies.
11:43Thank you
11:44very much,
11:45Bruno,
11:45for your time
11:46hearing from
11:46the South,
11:47for your
11:47analysis in
11:48this crucial
11:48moment,
11:49not just for
11:50the Middle
11:50East,
11:50but also for
11:51the entire
11:51humanity
11:51in this
11:52moment.
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