Crown Court - Lola (1976) - with Kinks end credits - video Dailymotion

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Lola Martin is on trial, accused of persistently importuning for immoral purposes and striking Jeffrey Lent. The case is made more unusual as Lola Martin is a transvestite and gay man, and Lent is an undercover police officer who says he was trying to catch drug dealers in the club where the incidents occurred.

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00:00:22At that point, the accused re-emerged from the ladies' toilet and again smiled at me.

00:00:27I half smiled back, and then the next thing I knew was that I was being kissed.

00:00:33And the accused said, why don't you come back to my place, we can have a lot of fun.

00:00:37In today's trial of the Queen against Lola Martin, the jury has been selected from members of the public,

00:00:42whose names appear on the electoral register and who are eligible for jury service.

00:00:46And what happened then, Sergeant Lenton?

00:00:49Well, I said to him, what's your name?

00:00:51And he said Lola, Lola Martin.

00:00:54I did. I produced my police identification and advised him that I was arresting him for soliciting.

00:01:00I took hold of his arm, and then to my astonishment, he hit me. Whacked me right in the chin.

00:01:06Just one moment, Sergeant. Was there any particular reason for your astonishment?

00:01:11Yes, ma'am. Up until that second, I'd thought that I was arresting a woman.

00:01:15But no woman could punch like that.

00:01:17Well, apart from the fact that Martin had just emerged from the ladies' toilet, what caused you to think you

00:01:23were arresting a woman?

00:01:25His clothes, wig, everything. He was dressed as a woman.

00:01:29You were telling my lord and the jury about when the accused hit you. What happened after that?

00:01:35Well, I grabbed him again, and we struggled out into the main bar of the club.

00:01:38Detective Sergeant Wilson came to my aid, and we hustled Martin outside and into a police car.

00:01:43He was taken immediately to Fulchester Central Police Station, and a short while later charged with persistently importuning for an

00:01:50immoral purpose.

00:01:51I also charged him with assaulting a police officer in the execution of his duty.

00:01:55The two charges that bring us here today, did the accused say anything when he was charged?

00:02:01Yes, he did. May I consult my notebook, my lord?

00:02:05Were those notes made at the time he was charged?

00:02:07Yes, my lord.

00:02:08You may refer to them, then.

00:02:10Thank you, my lord.

00:02:12After I had charged him with importuning, he said,

00:02:16Girls will be boys, and boys will be girls.

00:02:19It's a mixed up, muddled up, shook up world except for Lola.

00:02:23Sergeant Lent, this club where you were arrested, the accused, Verities, I believe it's called.

00:02:29Yes, my lord.

00:02:29Would I be right in assuming it is, amongst other things, a drinking club?

00:02:33Yes, it is.

00:02:34Had the accused been drinking?

00:02:36No, my lord. I gather he does not drink alcohol.

00:02:39I see.

00:02:41Would you repeat the remarks he made after he'd been charged with importuning?

00:02:47Girls will be boys.

00:02:48Boys.

00:02:49Boys will be girls.

00:02:51Girls.

00:02:51It's a mixed up, muddled up, shook up world.

00:02:55Shook up world.

00:02:56Except for Lola.

00:02:58Except for Lola, my lord.

00:03:02I cannot find the medical report on him.

00:03:06If I might offer some assistance, my lord.

00:03:08I'd be grateful for assistance from any quarter, Mr. Lee.

00:03:11Well, the words quoted by the detective sergeant, which we accept as having been uttered,

00:03:15although they do not form part of any official statement by my client,

00:03:19these words form part of a popular song of a few years ago.

00:03:23The song is entitled Lola.

00:03:25More particularly, my client has been known by the name of Lola Martin for nearly ten years.

00:03:29If my learned friend has no objection,

00:03:32I will not wait until I examine this witness before offering, as an exhibit,

00:03:36copies of the sheet music of this song.

00:03:37Mrs. Forrest?

00:03:38I have no objection.

00:03:39No, this will become exhibit number seven.

00:03:43Would you give the witness a copy, please?

00:03:46No.

00:03:49I think my learned friend will find what she's looking for on page seven, my lord.

00:03:53I'm obliged, Mr. Lee.

00:03:55The song is called Lola, by the Kinks.

00:03:59Ah, yes, here we are.

00:04:01Those are the words on page seven that the accused uttered, sergeant.

00:04:05Yes, ma'am.

00:04:05Mr. Lee.

00:04:07Yes, my lord.

00:04:07The sex of your client is male, is it not?

00:04:11Yes, male, my lord.

00:04:13And who or what are the Kinks?

00:04:16The group, my lord, who originally recorded Lola.

00:04:20The words and the music were written by a member of the group.

00:04:23Yes, I see.

00:04:24Thank you, Mr. Lee.

00:04:24Continue, Mrs. Forrest.

00:04:27Did the accused say anything else after he had been charged with a first offence?

00:04:31No, but he kept blowing me kisses.

00:04:35He did what?

00:04:35Well, he kept blowing me kisses, my lord.

00:04:39How exactly did he do that?

00:04:45Like that, my lord.

00:04:46Thank you, sergeant.

00:04:48Did he make any written statement?

00:04:50No, he didn't.

00:04:51And was he a short while later charged with a second offence?

00:04:55That of assaulting you?

00:04:56Yes, he was.

00:04:58He made no comment and declined to make any written statement.

00:05:01Thank you very much, sergeant.

00:05:05You were not, of course, in uniform at the time of the alleged offences, were you, sergeant?

00:05:09No, sir.

00:05:10I was in plain clothes.

00:05:11On duty?

00:05:12Yes.

00:05:13Prior to the commencement of this trial, I requested that you attend with the clothes that you were wearing that

00:05:18evening.

00:05:18Do you have them with you?

00:05:20Yes.

00:05:21Here they are.

00:05:22I assume that you wish to examine them.

00:05:23You assume incorrectly, sergeant.

00:05:25I want you to go and put them on.

00:05:26Milad.

00:05:27Yes, just a moment, Mrs. Foist.

00:05:28Mr. Lee, why do you wish to see the sergeant in those clothes?

00:05:32I want the jury to see him in those clothes, my lord.

00:05:35They form a crucial part of the defence.

00:05:36I want the jury to see exactly what confronted my client when he stepped out of the toilet and made

00:05:41his way back to the bar.

00:05:42I would also request that the witness be asked to rearrange his hair so that it conforms with his appearance

00:05:47on the night of the alleged offences.

00:05:49Do you have any objections, Mrs. Foist?

00:05:51Yes, Milad.

00:05:52I most certainly do.

00:05:53First, on consideration, Milad, I withdraw my objections.

00:05:59Well, that overcomes that, Harold.

00:06:00Well, sergeant, if you would be so kind to retire and put on those clothes...

00:06:04And adjust the hair, my lord.

00:06:06You're being a little previous, Mr. Lee.

00:06:08I was coming to that.

00:06:09And adjust your hair.

00:06:12I will take a short adjournment.

00:06:18Would you mind explaining to my lord and the jury exactly why you were dressed in that manner on the

00:06:23night of the alleged offences?

00:06:25At that time, I was on secondment to the CID Division of Forchester.

00:06:30On the night in question, I was keeping surveillance with Detective Sergeant Wilson of the CID on the Verity Club.

00:06:36Was Detective Sergeant Wilson similarly attired?

00:06:39Yes, he was.

00:06:41Sergeant, exactly why were you and your colleague in that club on that particular night?

00:06:46Milad, the reason that the two officers were in that particular club on that particular night has nothing to do

00:06:52with the case.

00:06:53I can assure the court it had nothing to do with the accused.

00:06:56They were involved in investigations into quite another matter.

00:06:59If details of those investigations are made public at this time, it might seriously jeopardise those investigations.

00:07:06Do you hear me on this, my lord?

00:07:07Certainly, Mr. Lee.

00:07:08I submit that the jury should hear why these two policemen were in that club.

00:07:12I further submit that, as far as my client is concerned, these two policemen, particularly this witness here, were acting

00:07:18as agents provocateurs and that their aim was to entrap homosexuals.

00:07:22I think we should continue this discussion without the jury being present.

00:07:26I feel that several points of law are looming over the horizon.

00:07:30Are you agreeable to that course of action?

00:07:32Yes.

00:07:32Yes, my lord.

00:07:34Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, there are several points of law that I wish to discuss with counsel.

00:07:40That will give you slightly longer for lunch.

00:07:42We shall be sitting again at two o'clock, but I must ask you not to re-enter the court

00:07:46until you're summoned by the usher.

00:07:48The court will rise.

00:07:52Now, Mrs. Forrest, why shouldn't the witness tell the court exactly what he was doing in this club on that

00:07:58particular night?

00:07:59My lord, he was at the time in question working with the drug squad.

00:08:04Information had been received that a large consignment of cannabis was going to change hands that night in the club.

00:08:09Because of the furore that accompanied Martin's arrest, the drug surveillance was called off.

00:08:14I understand the drug squad believed the exchange may still take place.

00:08:19If details of the squad's activities are made public at this time, they may well lose the opportunity of apprehending

00:08:25a drug ring.

00:08:26I note that you've already asked for and been granted three adjournments of this trial.

00:08:32Were those adjournments asked for because of the drug squad's activities?

00:08:34Yes, my lord.

00:08:35And despite those lengthy adjournments, no drug peddlers have been apprehended in this verity's club?

00:08:42That is correct, Milo.

00:08:44In that case, I feel the witness should advise the jury why he was in that club.

00:08:48It's been said many times before, but it can't be said too frequently.

00:08:51Justice must not only be done, it must be seen to be done.

00:08:55We don't want any hole-and-corner aspects.

00:08:59Now then, Mr. Lee, what's this about agent provocateur?

00:09:03My lord, I know nothing of drug peddlers operating at Verity's club, but one of the keystones to my defence

00:09:08is that these two police officers went to the club with the express purpose of entrapping homosexuals.

00:09:13I submit that this is why they were dressed in that manner.

00:09:15I further submit that Detective Sergeant Lent deliberately provoked my client into breaking the law.

00:09:20Milad, the defence of entrapment does not pertain in this country.

00:09:25And further, the Court of Appeal clearly considered in the Queen against Mealy and Sheridan that if a crime was

00:09:31brought about by someone who could be described as an agent provocateur, it might affect sentence.

00:09:36But it did not affect the question of guilty or not guilty.

00:09:40There have been rulings since 1974 that drastically affect that ruling, my lord.

00:09:45The Queen versus Amir and Lucas, July 1976, is the most recent, and there are a number of others that

00:09:53I can cite.

00:09:54Thank you, Mr. Lee. I came prepared. I am aware of the modifications of the Court of Appeal's ruling.

00:10:00It seems to me, Mrs. Forrest, that with regard to the role of alleged agent provocateur, each case should be

00:10:06judged on its own particular merits.

00:10:08That is precisely what I intend to do in this case.

00:10:12I will adjourn for lunch now.

00:10:17Before the jury were sent out, Sergeant, you testified how you and Detective Sergeant Wilson were in Verity's club on

00:10:24the night of September the 14th.

00:10:26Now, my lord has ruled that you should answer the question my learned friend objected to.

00:10:32Exactly why were you there on that particular night?

00:10:37Acting on information received, we had been advised that a large consignment of drugs would be changing hands in the

00:10:43club on that particular evening.

00:10:44What kind of drugs, Sergeant?

00:10:45Cannabis.

00:10:47Was my client suspected of being involved in this drug ring?

00:10:50As far as we were concerned, all the customers in the club were suspect.

00:10:53Commendable.

00:10:54Let me put it another way.

00:10:56Have you since that night obtained a single shred of evidence that links Lola Martin with illicit drugs?

00:11:01No, sir.

00:11:02No.

00:11:03I'd like to ask you about your appearance, your attire.

00:11:07Is it normal to wear such clothes when engaged in undercover operations?

00:11:11Of course it is.

00:11:12The clothes vary depending on the nature of the work.

00:11:15We'd hardly expect to make any arrests dressed in uniform.

00:11:18The club Verity's is a drinking club, I believe.

00:11:20Yes, it is.

00:11:21You would agree with me that the bulk of the clientele are homosexuals, that it is well known in Forchester

00:11:25as a gay club?

00:11:27Yes.

00:11:28They're not all gay, but most of them are.

00:11:29Gay being a euphemism for homosexual.

00:11:32Yes, my lord.

00:11:35I note from Exhibit 3, which is a register of club members, that both you and Detective Sergeant Wilson are

00:11:41members there.

00:11:42Are you a homosexual, Sergeant?

00:11:46The club is for members only.

00:11:49We could hardly sit there drinking if we were not members.

00:11:52I know that you've been a member for nearly a year.

00:11:55When were Forchester Police first advised that the club might be a likely scene for illicit drug operations?

00:12:00August of this year.

00:12:01Yes, you've been a member for some six months prior to that date.

00:12:06Why, Sergeant?

00:12:07Millard, I must object to the innuendo of these questions.

00:12:11Again and again in the courts of this country, when a police officer is called to give evidence,

00:12:16one is left with the impression that they themselves are on trial.

00:12:19My lord.

00:12:21I tell you frankly, my lord, my client does not believe this story of illicit drugs.

00:12:24He firmly believes that the reason this officer and his colleague were in that club was to catch homosexuals,

00:12:30or to use their jargon, roll over a few queers.

00:12:33I'm not putting this witness on trial.

00:12:35I'm merely trying to get at the truth.

00:12:36Yes, I accept that.

00:12:38But I must agree with Mrs Forrest.

00:12:39There is a certain unfortunate innuendo in your questions.

00:12:44Do you intend to produce evidence that this police officer is a homosexual?

00:12:50Yes, my lord.

00:12:51Indeed I do.

00:13:00Firstly, I'd like to clear up this story about a drug ring operating at the club.

00:13:05Would I be right in assuming that neither on that night or any time since

00:13:08have any drugs been found, seized, or located on the club premises?

00:13:14Yes, you would be right, but there could be a very good reason for that.

00:13:17Yes, you've answered the question, Sergeant. Thank you.

00:13:18My lad, I feel the witness was about to qualify his answer.

00:13:22Might he be allowed to do so?

00:13:24Of course, Mrs Forrest.

00:13:25Mr Lee, you're defending your client with your customer's zeal,

00:13:28but I must ask you not to harass the witness.

00:13:32I would apologise, my lord, having some considerable experience of cases like this one.

00:13:37I am fully aware of how unpleasant harassment can be.

00:13:40I have no wish to subject the sergeant for such an ordeal.

00:13:43You'll never lose an opportunity, do you, Mr Lee?

00:13:46One tries not to, my lord.

00:13:48Sergeant, you were telling the jury that there might be a very good reason

00:13:51why no drugs have been found in Verity's club since the night you arrested the accused.

00:13:56Now, would you please finish your answer?

00:13:59Well, my lord, it's precisely because he was arrested on that night.

00:14:02He kicked up such a fuss that any drug pushers would have been frightened off and slipped away.

00:14:07An unfortunate by-product of the arrest, as it were.

00:14:11Exactly, my lord.

00:14:12Continue, Mr Lee.

00:14:13Well, let us leave the question of drugs, then.

00:14:15Clearly, whether they existed or not, my client had no connection with them.

00:14:18Millard, could my learned friend be asked to refrain from making speeches to the jury?

00:14:23Yes, I think the witness has covered that aspect, Mr Lee.

00:14:27The answer was that your client has no connection with any illicit drugs.

00:14:32I'm obliged, my lord.

00:14:34Prior to the moment when you arrested Martin in the club,

00:14:36how long had you been there, Sergeant?

00:14:39Nearly two hours.

00:14:40Did you observe Martin during that time?

00:14:42Yes, I did.

00:14:44Most of the time he was talking to two people at a table,

00:14:46but from time to time he came to the bar to buy drinks for them.

00:14:49And on one occasion he put his arm around a man and said,

00:14:52hello, darling, what are you doing tonight?

00:14:54Did you hear my client referred to by name during that time?

00:14:57Yes, I did.

00:14:59Apart from chatting to the owner of the club,

00:15:01other people called out greetings to him.

00:15:03They referred to him by the name of Lola.

00:15:05Just Lola?

00:15:06Yes.

00:15:07You stated earlier that you were standing in the corridor outside the toilets

00:15:11when the accused emerged from the ladies.

00:15:13Why were you standing there?

00:15:15I was keeping observation.

00:15:17Toilets are a well-known area for drug passing.

00:15:20Prior to that, during the previous two hours,

00:15:22had you exchanged any words with the accused?

00:15:24Yes, I may have said hello on one occasion.

00:15:28And when you said hello, you exchanged a smile.

00:15:33I may have done.

00:15:34Now, you've testified that you've been a member of this club for nearly a year.

00:15:37Is that right?

00:15:38Yes.

00:15:39You've also testified that until the moment he hit you,

00:15:42you believed the accused was a woman.

00:15:43That's right.

00:15:44Oh, come now, Sergeant.

00:15:45You've been a member of that club for nearly a year,

00:15:48albeit for the purpose of infiltration.

00:15:50Surely you must have known that Lola Martin was a man.

00:15:52No, I didn't.

00:15:54You hadn't seen him before that night?

00:15:57Yes, on a number of occasions.

00:15:59You knew him well enough to smile at him and say hello,

00:16:02and yet you asked us to believe you thought the accused was a woman.

00:16:05He was dressed as a woman.

00:16:07He moved like a woman.

00:16:08He sounded like a woman.

00:16:09The club was very dimly lit, and women do use it, you know.

00:16:11So they're homosexuals?

00:16:12Well, yes, I've already said that.

00:16:14Look, it didn't matter to me whether Lola Martin was a man or a woman.

00:16:17We were in the club looking for drug pushers, not gays.

00:16:21You stated at the beginning of your evidence

00:16:23that when Lola Martin emerged from the ladies,

00:16:25he smiled at you, and you half smiled back.

00:16:30Yes, that's right.

00:16:31Why did you return his smile?

00:16:34Look, when you're doing work of this kind,

00:16:36the object of the exercise is to remain as inconspicuous as possible.

00:16:40Now, I'm not likely to catch any drug pushers

00:16:42if I go around in uniform whistling the theme from Zeg cards.

00:16:45Did your dedication to duty have to go so far

00:16:47as to responding to him when he kissed you

00:16:50by kissing him back?

00:16:52Don't be bloody silly.

00:16:53He kissed me and then asked me to go back to his place.

00:16:55Where did he kiss you?

00:16:56On the lips.

00:16:56And I put it to you that your response was that of a homosexual.

00:16:59You returned, as it were, that kiss.

00:17:01My initial response was surprise.

00:17:03Then, after he had propositioned me

00:17:05and I'd shown him my identification

00:17:06and advised him that he was being arrested,

00:17:08he hit me.

00:17:09And my response then was amazement.

00:17:11Yes, I'm sure it was, Sergeant.

00:17:12No further questions.

00:17:16Sergeant, during the period

00:17:18that you were seconded to the drug squad,

00:17:20apart from the undercover work

00:17:21you were involved in in Verity's club,

00:17:24did you do other work of a similar nature?

00:17:27Yes, ma'am.

00:17:28Mike clubs, gambling casinos, pop concerts.

00:17:31And presumably, as all of this work

00:17:33was basically infiltration and surveillance,

00:17:36you would have worn the appropriate clothes.

00:17:38Yes, for example, at a pop concert

00:17:41would be T-shirt, jeans, beads, that sort of thing.

00:17:46Did any of that undercover work

00:17:47result in successful prosecutions?

00:17:50Yes, ma'am.

00:17:51Quite a number.

00:17:53Presumably, nobody saw fit to accuse you

00:17:54of being a hippie, a drug addict, or a gangster.

00:17:57Really, my lord?

00:17:58I adore the question, my lord.

00:17:59If my learned friend is so concerned

00:18:01with legal niceties,

00:18:01might she be asked to practice what she preaches

00:18:03and refrain from making speeches to the jury?

00:18:05Clearly, she's here to obtain a conviction.

00:18:07I am here to obtain a hearing of this case.

00:18:09That will suffice from both of you.

00:18:12We are all here to obtain justice for the accused.

00:18:16Displays of acrimony are not calculated

00:18:18to achieve that aim.

00:18:20Now, Sergeant, suggestion has been made

00:18:22that on the night in question

00:18:24you were functioning as an agent provocateur.

00:18:28That while being employed to detect suspected offenders,

00:18:32you were also engaged in tempting,

00:18:34specifically the accused,

00:18:36to commit crime, that of soliciting.

00:18:40Now, leaving aside the merits and demerits

00:18:42of that particular argument,

00:18:44have you, on any previous occasion,

00:18:46been officially involved in that role?

00:18:50Yes, my lord.

00:18:51Two years ago, I infiltrated a group of political extremists

00:18:54by posing as someone who was sympathetic to their cause.

00:18:57And what about your earlier work with the drug squad

00:18:59that Mrs. Forrest was just asking you about?

00:19:02Well, I don't know if that comes under the heading

00:19:04of agent provocateur,

00:19:05but, well, one poses as someone wishing to buy drugs,

00:19:09as someone who is into the drug scene.

00:19:11And are you familiar with the guidelines

00:19:12laid down by the Home Office

00:19:14with regard to police working in this area?

00:19:17Yes, my lord, I am.

00:19:18Would you consider that in this case you overstepped

00:19:20those guidelines?

00:19:22No, my lord, I most certainly did not.

00:19:25I was not in the club to entrap homosexuals.

00:19:28Thank you, my lad.

00:19:29I have no further questions.

00:19:31I call Edward Linger.

00:19:36I've been a journalist for over 20 years

00:19:38and at the moment I'm working freelance.

00:19:40Were you on the night of September the 14th

00:19:43in a Fulchester club known as Veritas?

00:19:45Yes, I was.

00:19:46I was there with Lola Martin and a Dr. Burlington.

00:19:49Was that a chance meeting?

00:19:51No, it was by arrangement.

00:19:53Well, appointment, that is.

00:19:54Was the accused known to you prior to that date?

00:19:57No, the meeting had been arranged by Dr. Burlington.

00:20:00Oh, for what purpose?

00:20:02Well, I'm writing a series of feature articles

00:20:04for the Sunday Gazette.

00:20:06I wanted to do one on transvestite homosexuals

00:20:09and Dr. Burlington set up an interview with Lola Martin.

00:20:12In Veritas?

00:20:13Yes.

00:20:13This interview, a nightclub seems an unlikely place

00:20:17to conduct an interview.

00:20:19Yes, well, in my profession, my lord,

00:20:21one gets accustomed to conducting interviews

00:20:24in the unlikeliest places.

00:20:25In this particular instance,

00:20:27Lola Martin only agreed to be interviewed at the club.

00:20:30I see.

00:20:31Thank you, Mrs. Forrest.

00:20:32Thank you, my lad.

00:20:33Mr. Linger, apart from talking to yourself

00:20:36and Dr. Burlington,

00:20:37did the accused talk to anyone else?

00:20:39Oh, yes.

00:20:41He talked to virtually everyone in the club.

00:20:43He seemed to be very well known.

00:20:44Prior to his arrest,

00:20:46and apart from the conversation

00:20:47between yourself and Dr. Burlington,

00:20:49did Martin make any particular reference

00:20:51to anyone in the club?

00:20:53Yes, there were a couple of young guys there

00:20:56and it was obvious that Lola Martin

00:20:58had taken a fancy to one of them.

00:21:00Do you see that young man in court today?

00:21:05Yes, that's him sitting over there.

00:21:07Detective Sergeant Lent.

00:21:09Yes, of course, we didn't know at the time

00:21:11that he was a police officer.

00:21:12No, of course not.

00:21:14Why was it obvious that Martin had,

00:21:16to use your own words,

00:21:18taken a fancy to him?

00:21:21The various remarks he made about him

00:21:24during the course of the evening.

00:21:25Well, as none of the jury,

00:21:26to my knowledge,

00:21:28were in the club on that particular night,

00:21:30do you think you could enlighten, my lord,

00:21:31in the jury as to exactly what the accused said

00:21:34about Detective Sergeant Lent?

00:21:36Yes.

00:21:38He said that Lent had a nice body.

00:21:41He also said,

00:21:42I fancy him.

00:21:43And later on he remarked,

00:21:44he wants to know, you know.

00:21:47Oh, and then just before he went out to the toilet,

00:21:49he said,

00:21:50I won't need my electric blanket tonight.

00:21:53I think I'm on a promise with that one

00:21:55and the leather jacket.

00:21:55You're quite sure he said all those things?

00:21:59Oh, yes, I'm quite sure.

00:22:00I wrote it all down at the time.

00:22:02You wrote down what you said?

00:22:05Oh, yes, my lord.

00:22:07I was interviewing him at the time

00:22:09and they struck me as a very good copy.

00:22:11Do you recall anything else

00:22:13in relation to the accused

00:22:15and Detective Sergeant Lent?

00:22:17What, do you mean prior to his arrest?

00:22:18Yes, I do.

00:22:22Yes, at one point Martin said hello to him

00:22:24and gave him a big smile

00:22:27and the copper said hello back to him.

00:22:30Oh, Martin was delighted.

00:22:32During the course of your interview with Martin,

00:22:35was the subject of male prostitution referred to?

00:22:39Yes, it was.

00:22:40Do you recall any of the remarks that the accused made?

00:22:44I recall all of them.

00:22:45I wrote down his comments.

00:22:47He said a great deal on the subject

00:22:49but basically he said that

00:22:51he never sold his body

00:22:52but that from time to time

00:22:54he did go out cruising.

00:22:55You mean sailing?

00:23:00Ah, no, my lord.

00:23:02It's a homosexual term

00:23:03meaning to go out

00:23:04and seek another man

00:23:06either in clubs, bars

00:23:08or on the streets.

00:23:09When Martin went to the toilets

00:23:12can you recall where Sergeant Lent was?

00:23:16No, my lord, I cannot.

00:23:17The last I saw of the sergeant

00:23:19was when he came bursting out of the corridor

00:23:21that leads to the toilet.

00:23:22He was struggling with Lola Martin

00:23:24who shouted out

00:23:25Grab your handbags, girls.

00:23:27It's a raid.

00:23:31Girls will be boys

00:23:32and boys will be girls

00:23:34It's a mixed up, muddled up,

00:23:36shook up world

00:23:37It's a muddle

00:23:38La, la, la, la, la, la

00:23:43Well, I left home just a week before

00:23:46And I'd never ever kissed a woman before

00:23:49The cases in Fulchester are fictitious.

00:23:52Join us tomorrow

00:23:53when the Queen against Martin

00:23:54will be resumed in the Crown Court.

00:23:56I'm not the world's most masculine man

00:23:59But I know what I am

00:24:00When I'm glad I'm a man

00:24:02So it's all love

00:24:04La, la, la, la, la

00:24:24Lola Martin has been charged

00:24:26with persistently importuning

00:24:27and assaulting a police officer

00:24:29during the execution of his duty.

00:24:31At the close of yesterday's hearing

00:24:32reporter Edward Linger

00:24:34gave evidence concerning

00:24:35the arrest of Martin.

00:24:37The case resumes

00:24:37with Linger being examined

00:24:39by the prosecuting counsel.

00:24:41The jury in this trial

00:24:42has been selected

00:24:43from members of the public

00:24:44whose names appeared

00:24:45on the electoral register

00:24:46and who are eligible

00:24:47for jury service.

00:24:50Mr Linger

00:24:50You were telling my lord

00:24:52and the jury

00:24:53of the moment

00:24:54when the accused

00:24:54appeared back

00:24:55in the main club area

00:24:56struggling with

00:24:57Detective Sergeant Lent

00:24:59and shouting

00:24:59Grab your handbags, girls

00:25:02It's a raid.

00:25:03That's right.

00:25:04What happened next?

00:25:07Well, there was a certain

00:25:08amount of confusion

00:25:09at the club

00:25:10Some of the members laughed

00:25:12Others screamed

00:25:13ran for their coats

00:25:14and got out

00:25:15Another man dressed in leather

00:25:17who I learned later

00:25:18was also a detective

00:25:19grabbed Lola Martin

00:25:21and the two officers

00:25:22bundled him out of the club

00:25:23Well, what did you do?

00:25:26Well, I accompanied

00:25:26Dr Burlington

00:25:27to Fortress

00:25:27to Central Police Station

00:25:29and a short while later

00:25:30we both made statements

00:25:31Mr Linger

00:25:32I'm much obliged

00:25:36Mr Linger

00:25:38As I understand you

00:25:40prior to that night

00:25:40the night of Lola Martin's arrest

00:25:42you'd not met my client

00:25:43That's right

00:25:44And your introduction

00:25:45was effected by

00:25:46Dr Burlington

00:25:47Yes, that's right

00:25:48But this article

00:25:50you intended to write

00:25:51on transvestite homosexuals

00:25:53what was your

00:25:53basic approach

00:25:55to this subject?

00:25:57Well, how do you mean?

00:25:58Well, was it sympathetic

00:25:59to the problems

00:25:59that confront homosexuals

00:26:01in our society?

00:26:02It's a factual piece

00:26:04Yes, but what

00:26:05to use your newspaper parlance

00:26:07was your angle?

00:26:09There was no angle

00:26:10just a factual piece

00:26:12of reporting

00:26:12Were there to be

00:26:13any photographs

00:26:14of Mr Martin

00:26:15contained in the article?

00:26:16Yes, there were

00:26:17Photographs of him

00:26:18dressed as a woman?

00:26:19Yes, that's right

00:26:21Is that why he was dressed

00:26:22as a woman

00:26:22on that particular evening?

00:26:24Yes

00:26:25I'd arranged for a photographer

00:26:26to join us

00:26:27at the club later

00:26:28but Martin got arrested

00:26:30before we had a chance

00:26:30to take any photos

00:26:31But you plan to take photos

00:26:33of Lola Martin

00:26:34in the club?

00:26:35That's right

00:26:36He was quite agreeable

00:26:38Now, you told

00:26:39my lord and the jury

00:26:40yesterday

00:26:40that this article

00:26:42was one of a series

00:26:42of feature articles

00:26:43that you were writing

00:26:44for the Sunday Gazette

00:26:45Were the others

00:26:47merely factual ones too?

00:26:49Yes, they were

00:26:50They're about various aspects

00:26:52of our modern society

00:26:53Would you describe them

00:26:55as sensationalistic?

00:26:56Certainly not

00:26:57I'm not that kind

00:26:58of journalist

00:26:59Oh, aren't you indeed

00:27:00How much money

00:27:01were you being paid

00:27:02for these articles?

00:27:03Millard, is that question

00:27:04entirely relevant?

00:27:05My lord, I contend

00:27:06that it is highly relevant

00:27:07and I assure you

00:27:08I will be able

00:27:09to demonstrate why

00:27:09Very well, Mr Lee

00:27:11Mr Lingo

00:27:11would you answer the question?

00:27:13But what I earn

00:27:14has got nothing to do

00:27:15with this case

00:27:16I direct you

00:27:17to answer the question

00:27:20£1,000 per article

00:27:22I'm sorry, I beg your pardon?

00:27:26£1,000 per article

00:27:28How many articles?

00:27:31Eight

00:27:31£8,000

00:27:35How much had you agreed

00:27:36to pay Lola Martin

00:27:37for all the information

00:27:38he gave you

00:27:39to form the basis

00:27:40of one of these articles?

00:27:41I hadn't agreed

00:27:42to pay him anything

00:27:43I don't work like that

00:27:45No, indeed you don't

00:27:46I put it to you

00:27:47that the only reason

00:27:47he agreed to help you

00:27:48was because you

00:27:49and Dr Burlington

00:27:50advised him

00:27:51that the article

00:27:51would be sympathetic

00:27:52reasonable and fair

00:27:54with regard to homosexuals

00:27:55in this country

00:27:55I told him

00:27:57he'd get a fair crack

00:27:57at the whip

00:27:58Under the circumstances

00:28:00a bizarre phrase

00:28:02You told him

00:28:03that you would report

00:28:03his views accurately

00:28:05did you not?

00:28:06Yeah, something like that

00:28:07And just now

00:28:08you said

00:28:09all of these articles

00:28:10were factual

00:28:11and certainly not

00:28:13sensationalistic

00:28:14Yes, that's right

00:28:15My lord

00:28:15I would like to introduce

00:28:16these articles

00:28:17as exhibits at this point

00:28:18Millard, I object

00:28:19Those articles

00:28:20have no bearing

00:28:21on this case

00:28:21They were written

00:28:22prior to the night

00:28:23that these offences

00:28:24took place

00:28:24My lord

00:28:25Firstly

00:28:26I wish the jury

00:28:27to be able to judge

00:28:27the calibre of this witness

00:28:29Secondly

00:28:29I contend that

00:28:30Linger's views

00:28:31as expressed

00:28:32in these articles

00:28:32had a direct bearing

00:28:34on the events

00:28:34that took place

00:28:35on the night

00:28:36of the alleged offences

00:28:37Oh, honestly

00:28:38Might I see a copy

00:28:39of these articles?

00:28:40Certainly, my lord

00:28:42Oh, and Usher

00:28:44if you could give a copy

00:28:45to the witness, please

00:28:46These will become

00:28:48Exhibit 8

00:28:50Now, Mr Linger

00:28:52If you could look

00:28:53at the first article

00:28:54in the Gazette

00:28:55dated August the 8th

00:28:57would you say

00:28:57that it was factual

00:29:00unsensationalistic

00:29:00and without an angle

00:29:03Certainly

00:29:03Yeah

00:29:04The article

00:29:05is headed

00:29:06The Misalliance

00:29:07of Drugs

00:29:07Sex

00:29:08and Pop Music

00:29:10It contains

00:29:11intimate details

00:29:12of the private life

00:29:12of a leading pop singer

00:29:15That's right

00:29:15Details that he gave

00:29:16himself

00:29:17It also contains

00:29:18a damning criticism

00:29:19of that singer

00:29:19Did he criticise himself

00:29:21as well?

00:29:21Are those comments

00:29:22also his?

00:29:23Well, I had to

00:29:23knit the whole thing

00:29:24together

00:29:24Yes

00:29:25August the 15th

00:29:26Your article is headed

00:29:27The Casting Couch

00:29:29Syndrome

00:29:31This one deals

00:29:32with a rising

00:29:32young actress

00:29:33who's the mother

00:29:33of an illegitimate son

00:29:34A fact that you

00:29:36had unearthed

00:29:36and confronted her with

00:29:38Miller

00:29:38Must we endure

00:29:39more of this?

00:29:40My lord, I'm gratified

00:29:41to see that my

00:29:42learned friend

00:29:42shares my disgust

00:29:43I would now like

00:29:45the witness to turn

00:29:45to the last item

00:29:46in this little bundle

00:29:47The article written

00:29:49by this witness

00:29:50about Lola Martin

00:29:52How'd you get hold

00:29:53of this?

00:29:54It hasn't been published

00:29:55yet

00:29:55The paper's waiting

00:29:56for this trial to finish

00:29:58Where'd you get

00:29:58these copies?

00:29:59Is this the article

00:30:00you wrote as a result

00:30:01of interviewing

00:30:02the accused

00:30:03in that nightclub?

00:30:04Yes, my lord

00:30:05This will become

00:30:07a separate exhibit

00:30:09Exhibit 9

00:30:11This was the article

00:30:12that was going to give

00:30:12Lola Martin

00:30:13a fair crack of the whip

00:30:15that was going to

00:30:16report his views

00:30:16accurately with sympathy

00:30:18and fairness

00:30:18It is entitled

00:30:19The Sad Twilight World

00:30:22of Lola Martin

00:30:25Look, don't you

00:30:26moralise to me

00:30:27Mr. Lee

00:30:29I give the public

00:30:30what they want

00:30:32Circulation has gone up

00:30:33by over 80,000

00:30:34per week

00:30:34since these articles

00:30:35started coming out

00:30:36and you stand there

00:30:37making snide remarks

00:30:39about how much

00:30:39I get paid

00:30:40to write them

00:30:41What are you implying

00:30:42that I've exploited

00:30:43your precious client

00:30:45He's paying you

00:30:46to defend him

00:30:46isn't he?

00:30:47If I'm exploiting him

00:30:49by writing this

00:30:51what the hell

00:30:52do you think

00:30:52you're doing?

00:30:53Defending him

00:30:53Linger

00:30:54Defending him

00:30:55I put it to you

00:30:56I put it to you

00:30:56that you obtained

00:30:56this interview

00:30:57with him

00:30:57under false pretenses

00:30:58and during the course

00:30:59of the evening

00:31:00he was handed a copy

00:31:01of one of the previous

00:31:01articles

00:31:02by the owner

00:31:03of the club

00:31:04and then when he realised

00:31:05just what you were up to

00:31:06he became distraught

00:31:07and then he said

00:31:08right you bastard

00:31:10if you want a screaming queen

00:31:11you can have one

00:31:13I don't remember that

00:31:14but your shorthand

00:31:16notebook Linger

00:31:17the one you so

00:31:17faithfully recorded

00:31:19all his remarks in

00:31:20the one that was so

00:31:21invaluable to you

00:31:22when you were being

00:31:23questioned by my

00:31:23learned friend

00:31:24isn't that remarking there?

00:31:25I wouldn't write

00:31:26something like that down

00:31:27No it wouldn't make

00:31:28good copy I suppose

00:31:29no further questions

00:31:31but you do recall

00:31:33that he remarked

00:31:34that Detective Sergeant Lent

00:31:35had a nice body

00:31:36yes

00:31:37that the accused

00:31:38talking of the officer

00:31:40said

00:31:40he wants to know

00:31:41you know

00:31:42and

00:31:43I won't need

00:31:44my electric blanket

00:31:45tonight

00:31:45I think I'm on a promise

00:31:47with that one

00:31:48in the leather jacket

00:31:48yes he said all that

00:31:50and he also said

00:31:51did he not

00:31:52that from time to time

00:31:53he went cruising

00:31:54seeking out other men

00:31:56in clubs

00:31:57and bars

00:31:58and in the streets

00:31:59to have sex with

00:32:01yes

00:32:01that is what he said

00:32:03thank you very much

00:32:04Mr. Ninger

00:32:05Millard

00:32:05I have no question

00:32:06I called Dr. Burlington

00:32:16would you tell the court

00:32:18your qualifications?

00:32:19I'm a doctor of medicine

00:32:20a bachelor of science

00:32:21a fellow of the

00:32:22Royal College of Physicians

00:32:23with a diploma in psychiatry

00:32:25is the accused

00:32:26Lola Martin

00:32:26known to you?

00:32:27yes

00:32:28I first met him

00:32:29some seven years ago

00:32:30what were the circumstances

00:32:31of that meeting?

00:32:32he was sent to me

00:32:33by his local GP

00:32:34for treatment

00:32:34what condition

00:32:36were you treating him for?

00:32:37his homosexual condition

00:32:38he was disturbed

00:32:40and distressed

00:32:41because of his perversion

00:32:42and required help

00:32:42how long was he a patient

00:32:44of yours?

00:32:4516 months

00:32:46he declined to come

00:32:47after that

00:32:47evidence has been given

00:32:49that you arranged for him

00:32:50to be interviewed

00:32:51by a reporter

00:32:51Edward Linger

00:32:52is that correct?

00:32:53yes

00:32:53I thought he would make

00:32:54an excellent subject

00:32:55for an article

00:32:56and the problems

00:32:57of homosexuality

00:32:58and the plan was

00:32:59that I should write

00:32:59a piece to accompany

00:33:01Mr Linger's article

00:33:02of course that's had

00:33:03to be abandoned now

00:33:04because of this trial

00:33:05I see

00:33:05just a moment

00:33:06Mrs Forrest

00:33:07Dr Burlington

00:33:08you've been advised

00:33:09that the paper

00:33:09will not now

00:33:10be carrying an article

00:33:11on the accused?

00:33:12that's what Mr Linger

00:33:13told me my lord

00:33:14did he indeed?

00:33:17carry on

00:33:17thank you

00:33:18me now

00:33:19Dr Burlington

00:33:20I'd like to come

00:33:21to the night

00:33:21of September 14th

00:33:23did you meet

00:33:24the accused

00:33:24in a club

00:33:25known as Veritas?

00:33:26yes I did

00:33:27in the company

00:33:28of the reporter

00:33:28Edward Linger

00:33:29yes that's right

00:33:30would you tell

00:33:31my lord

00:33:32and the jury

00:33:33your impressions

00:33:34and opinions

00:33:35of the accused

00:33:36during the earlier

00:33:37part of that interview

00:33:37in the club?

00:33:38I was struck

00:33:39by the change

00:33:40in Lola Martin

00:33:41I had seen him

00:33:42from time to time

00:33:43in Fulchester

00:33:43since he stopped

00:33:44coming to me

00:33:44for treatment

00:33:45but only to exchange

00:33:46the odd greeting

00:33:46this was the first time

00:33:47I'd had real conversation

00:33:48with him since then

00:33:49well in what way

00:33:50had he changed?

00:33:52he'd become

00:33:53very exhibitionist

00:33:55the guilt

00:33:56that he had been

00:33:56suffering from

00:33:57during the treatment

00:33:58had become

00:33:58masked by aggression

00:33:59well that's

00:34:00a classic manifestation

00:34:01he had also become

00:34:02a very militant homosexual

00:34:04he displayed

00:34:05in his manner

00:34:06and his speech

00:34:07a promiscuous attitude

00:34:08that had hitherto

00:34:09not been there

00:34:10during the course

00:34:11of the evening

00:34:11he became very attracted

00:34:12to a young man

00:34:13who was sitting

00:34:13at the bar

00:34:14with a friend

00:34:14oh just one moment

00:34:15doctor

00:34:15do you see that young man

00:34:17anywhere in court?

00:34:18yes I noticed him

00:34:19when I came in

00:34:20he's sitting next

00:34:20to Edward Linger

00:34:22detective sergeant Lent

00:34:23is that his name?

00:34:24I gathered later

00:34:25that he was a policeman

00:34:26but I didn't know his name

00:34:27you were telling my lord

00:34:29in the jury

00:34:29that during the course

00:34:31of the evening

00:34:31the accused became

00:34:32very attracted

00:34:33to the officer

00:34:35do you mean sexually?

00:34:37yes I do

00:34:38Lola made various remarks

00:34:39indicating that he would like

00:34:40to take the young man to bed

00:34:41do you recall any of them?

00:34:42the remarks the accused made?

00:34:44oh there were so many of them

00:34:46one of them was

00:34:47what a lovely piece

00:34:47of rough trade

00:34:48I must have him

00:34:50oh rough trade

00:34:51is a homosexual term

00:34:52my lord

00:34:53it used to define

00:34:54men of a particular attitude

00:34:56and a particular dress

00:34:57can you be more specific?

00:34:59well

00:35:00someone dressed

00:35:01as that policeman

00:35:01was at that night

00:35:02in the club

00:35:02black leather

00:35:04masculine appearance

00:35:05does that help?

00:35:05yes

00:35:06the jury have seen

00:35:07an example of that

00:35:08during this trial

00:35:21if I could now turn

00:35:22to this treatment

00:35:23you gave my client

00:35:24doctor

00:35:24I believe that you

00:35:25told my learned friend

00:35:25that you first met

00:35:26Lola Martin

00:35:27some seven years ago

00:35:28yes that's correct

00:35:28and that you were

00:35:29treating him for his

00:35:31homosexual condition

00:35:32yes

00:35:32why?

00:35:34I beg your pardon?

00:35:34why did he need treatment?

00:35:37he came to me for help

00:35:38do you consider

00:35:39all homosexuals

00:35:40should be treated?

00:35:42homosexuality is a

00:35:43deviancy from the norm

00:35:44and what is the norm

00:35:45Dr Burlington?

00:35:46heterosexuality

00:35:46really?

00:35:47yes really

00:35:47who said so

00:35:48Dr Burlington?

00:35:50look I haven't come here

00:35:51to debate deviancy

00:35:53I am accustomed to this

00:35:54technique of putting

00:35:55the expert on trial

00:35:56don't defend him

00:35:57by putting me on trial

00:35:58Dr Burlington

00:35:59please accept the

00:36:00apologies of an amateur

00:36:01I've not had the benefit

00:36:02of your medical education

00:36:03I therefore feel unable

00:36:04to term homosexuality

00:36:06as a

00:36:06how did you phrase it?

00:36:07a perversion

00:36:08I equally feel ill-equipped

00:36:10to term it as

00:36:10deviant behaviour

00:36:11these are terms that you

00:36:12the expert used

00:36:14when being examined

00:36:14by my learned friend

00:36:15I want to know

00:36:16your source of information

00:36:17your right

00:36:18your justification

00:36:19for using such terms

00:36:21to describe a fellow

00:36:22human being

00:36:22really my lord

00:36:23I must protest

00:36:23and so must I my lord

00:36:25not merely at the

00:36:25chauvinism of this witness

00:36:26but at the interruption

00:36:27of my learned friend

00:36:28I allowed her to examine

00:36:30this witness without

00:36:30a single objection

00:36:31despite the fact that

00:36:32I found her subjectivity

00:36:33nauseating

00:36:34I refer of course

00:36:35to the witness

00:36:36not my learned friend

00:36:37my lord

00:36:37I ask her the basic right

00:36:38to question this witness

00:36:39on some of the assumptions

00:36:40that were drawn on

00:36:41during her examination

00:36:42by prosecution

00:36:43Mr Lee

00:36:44I must ask you to refrain

00:36:45from personal comment

00:36:46of that nature

00:36:48continue

00:36:49but my lad

00:36:50yes

00:36:50Mrs Forrest

00:36:51is my learned friend

00:36:52to be allowed to ask

00:36:53such questions?

00:36:53yes he is

00:36:54the doctor is clearly

00:36:55an expert witness

00:36:56and we are here

00:36:57to ascertain certain facts

00:36:59and certain truths

00:37:00I'm obliged my lord

00:37:02doctor the law

00:37:03in its infinite wisdom

00:37:04decided some years ago

00:37:05that homosexuality

00:37:06between consenting persons

00:37:08over the age of 21

00:37:09was legal

00:37:10you have termed it

00:37:12perversion

00:37:12and deviancy

00:37:14I want to hear you

00:37:15justify that assertion

00:37:16I have no need

00:37:17to justify that assertion

00:37:18Mr Lee

00:37:19it is my professional belief

00:37:21based on 15 years

00:37:22of medical experience

00:37:23it is also

00:37:24the professional belief

00:37:25of a great many

00:37:26of my colleagues

00:37:26it is also directly

00:37:27the opposite view

00:37:28to that held

00:37:28by a great many members

00:37:29of the medical profession

00:37:30is it not?

00:37:31it is generally accepted

00:37:33not only in the medical profession

00:37:34that homosexuality

00:37:35is a perversion

00:37:37a deviation

00:37:38from the normal

00:37:39sexual behaviour pattern

00:37:40therefore

00:37:41taking even the most

00:37:42conservative of estimates

00:37:43there must be

00:37:44quite a number of perverts

00:37:47right here in this courtroom

00:37:48oh I wouldn't know

00:37:49about that

00:37:50no

00:37:50of course not

00:37:51you would accept

00:37:53that there are probably

00:37:54some 7 million homosexuals

00:37:56in this country

00:37:56estimates vary wildly

00:37:58yes well would you accept

00:37:59that we are talking

00:38:00as far as homosexuality

00:38:01in the British Isles

00:38:02is concerned

00:38:03of a number

00:38:03that is in millions

00:38:04oh yes

00:38:05and these are all

00:38:06perverts

00:38:06deviants

00:38:07yes in my opinion

00:38:09now we begin

00:38:11to progress doctor

00:38:13in your opinion

00:38:16I would like

00:38:17you to tell my lord

00:38:18and the jury

00:38:19exactly what treatment

00:38:20you gave Lola Martin

00:38:21when he was sent to you

00:38:22by his local doctor

00:38:24initially he attended

00:38:26psychoanalytic group therapy

00:38:27yes I gather

00:38:28a similar form of treatment

00:38:29is often used

00:38:31to treat people

00:38:32suffering from a neurotic illness

00:38:34yes that's right

00:38:35now in the group

00:38:36that you placed Lola

00:38:37were all the others

00:38:38homosexuals

00:38:39oh by no means

00:38:39so he might well

00:38:41have been subjected

00:38:42to the prejudices

00:38:43and ignorance

00:38:44of the heterosexual group members

00:38:46well that was not

00:38:47the intention

00:38:47in my view

00:38:48at that time

00:38:49Lola Martin was neurotic

00:38:50it was logical therefore

00:38:51to incorporate him

00:38:52within a group

00:38:52of neurotics of therapy

00:38:53yes but this

00:38:54would of course

00:38:55confirmed in his mind

00:38:56that homosexuality

00:38:58was a neurosis

00:38:58well I believe

00:38:59that in many homosexuals

00:39:01it is

00:39:01you see

00:39:02prior to his treatment

00:39:04Martin had been isolated

00:39:05he'd had very little opportunity

00:39:07to talk over

00:39:08his feelings

00:39:09or his fears

00:39:10yes I'm sure

00:39:11that we would all

00:39:11approve of that

00:39:12but equally

00:39:12there is a danger

00:39:13in group therapy

00:39:14that someone like

00:39:15Lola Martin

00:39:15would be confronted

00:39:17with views

00:39:17that would reinforce

00:39:18the belief

00:39:19that he held

00:39:19at that time

00:39:20that homosexuality

00:39:22was a deviancy

00:39:23well I wouldn't

00:39:23call that a danger

00:39:24I would call that

00:39:25a very real

00:39:25hopeful chance

00:39:28when a patient

00:39:29comes to me

00:39:29in a mentally

00:39:29disturbed condition

00:39:30because he's not

00:39:31conforming to the

00:39:32normal society

00:39:32it's my job

00:39:33to help them

00:39:34to conform

00:39:34yes but did it

00:39:35ever occur to you

00:39:36to help him

00:39:37adjust to his

00:39:38sexual inclinations

00:39:39to accept them

00:39:41to come to terms

00:39:41with them

00:39:42to live happily

00:39:43with them

00:39:43well I don't

00:39:44consider it my job

00:39:45to help devians

00:39:45to become happy

00:39:46devians

00:39:47it's my function

00:39:48to help them

00:39:49towards normality

00:39:50and ensure they

00:39:51accept that happily

00:39:52well with regard

00:39:54to the group therapy

00:39:55and taking your view

00:39:57of what your job is

00:39:58were you successful

00:39:59no I wasn't

00:40:01did you try

00:40:02any other forms

00:40:03of treatment

00:40:03yes I used

00:40:04aversion therapy

00:40:05in Lola Martin

00:40:05would you explain

00:40:06to my lord

00:40:07and the jury

00:40:07exactly what

00:40:08aversion therapy

00:40:09is and exactly

00:40:10how you applied

00:40:11it to Lola Martin

00:40:12please doctor

00:40:12well the basic aim

00:40:14is to build up

00:40:15within the patient

00:40:17an aversion

00:40:17to the particular

00:40:18deviation

00:40:18that's troubling

00:40:19him or her

00:40:20it's been used

00:40:20on alcoholics

00:40:22drug addicts

00:40:22compulsive gamblers

00:40:23a whole range

00:40:25of deviations

00:40:25in fact

00:40:26but I must

00:40:28I must stress

00:40:29that this treatment

00:40:30is never compulsory

00:40:31it's only given

00:40:32to patients

00:40:33who have volunteered

00:40:33for it

00:40:34could you tell us

00:40:34exactly how it was

00:40:35applied to Lola Martin

00:40:36certainly

00:40:37in addition to his

00:40:39homosexual desires

00:40:40and feelings

00:40:40Lola Martin

00:40:41evinced a decided

00:40:43tendency towards

00:40:44transvestism

00:40:45cross-dressing

00:40:46wearing women's

00:40:47clothes

00:40:47I asked him to

00:40:48bring photographs

00:40:49of himself dressed

00:40:50as a woman

00:40:50to my clinic

00:40:51and photographs

00:40:53of men

00:40:53with whom he

00:40:54had had love

00:40:54affairs

00:40:55he was given

00:40:56an injection

00:40:56of an emetic

00:40:57in his case

00:40:59apomorphine

00:41:00he was then

00:41:01shown the photographs

00:41:02he then vomited

00:41:03violently

00:41:04the process

00:41:05was repeated

00:41:06in a number

00:41:06of occasions

00:41:06it was of course

00:41:07the drug

00:41:08that you injected

00:41:08into him

00:41:09that caused

00:41:09the vomiting

00:41:10and not the photographs

00:41:11he was shown

00:41:11well yes of course

00:41:13the basic idea

00:41:14is to build up

00:41:16in the patient's mind

00:41:17feelings of nausea

00:41:18rather than excitement

00:41:20at such images

00:41:20ultimately to deflect

00:41:22them from their

00:41:22homosexual and

00:41:23transvestite tendencies

00:41:24was this form of

00:41:24treatment successful

00:41:25with Lola Martin

00:41:26no it wasn't

00:41:26did you try any

00:41:27other forms of

00:41:28aversion therapy

00:41:29I subsequently

00:41:29used electric shocks

00:41:30instead of the

00:41:31injections

00:41:31was this successful

00:41:33he discontinued

00:41:34treatment before

00:41:35it was completed

00:41:36Dr. Berlington

00:41:37would I be right

00:41:38in thinking that

00:41:38aversion therapy

00:41:39as a treatment

00:41:40for the

00:41:42homosexual condition

00:41:43has been largely

00:41:43discredited

00:41:45discredited

00:41:46in what way

00:41:47well it's proved

00:41:48unsuccessful

00:41:50on the contrary

00:41:51there have been

00:41:51some remarkable

00:41:52successes

00:41:52but surely

00:41:53there have also

00:41:53been some

00:41:54remarkable failures

00:41:55and many patients

00:41:56apparently cured

00:41:57have lapsed to

00:41:58a life of homosexuality

00:41:59yes well of course

00:42:00there's conflicting

00:42:00evidence but for my

00:42:01part I feel the

00:42:02treatment is very

00:42:03well worth persevering

00:42:04well would you

00:42:05agree that to

00:42:06destroy a person's

00:42:07homosexual sexuality

00:42:09doesn't automatically

00:42:10mean that you

00:42:11replace it with a

00:42:12heterosexual substitute

00:42:13you may end up with a

00:42:14human being impotent

00:42:16and frustrated

00:42:18yes yes that is true

00:42:21but one can't stand by

00:42:23and do nothing

00:42:24when a patient comes

00:42:25asking for help

00:42:26and is distressed

00:42:27because of the

00:42:27aberration they're

00:42:28suffering from

00:42:29you firmly believe

00:42:29that for Lola Martin

00:42:30to dress in women's

00:42:31clothes is an

00:42:32aberration

00:42:33are you suggesting

00:42:34that it's normal

00:42:35behaviour

00:42:35well if there's any

00:42:37logic to your

00:42:38point of view

00:42:38surely you are

00:42:39suffering from the

00:42:40same aberration

00:42:41the same deviancy

00:42:42really my lad

00:42:43my lord I'm merely

00:42:44pointing out to the

00:42:45witness and to the

00:42:46jury would you

00:42:47step out of the

00:42:48witness box please

00:42:48doctor

00:42:53that the doctor is

00:42:54standing there

00:42:54dressed as a man

00:42:55she's wearing a

00:42:56man's suit

00:42:56thank you doctor

00:42:57really my lad

00:42:58that's absolutely

00:42:59irrelevant

00:43:00millions of women

00:43:01dress as the

00:43:01doctor is dressed

00:43:02they are not

00:43:03considered to be

00:43:04deviants or

00:43:05suffering from

00:43:05aberration

00:43:06I believe that is

00:43:07precisely the point

00:43:08that Mr Lee is

00:43:09making

00:43:09as your lordship

00:43:10pleases

00:43:11but may I ask

00:43:13that my learned

00:43:13friend wanders no

00:43:14further from the

00:43:15track

00:43:15we are here to

00:43:17try the accused

00:43:17on two specific

00:43:18charges

00:43:19not to examine

00:43:20society's views

00:43:21on homosexuality

00:43:22it would seem to

00:43:23me that the

00:43:24majority of Mr Lee's

00:43:25questions have

00:43:26specifically concerned

00:43:27his client

00:43:28particularly the

00:43:30treatment that the

00:43:31witness gave to the

00:43:33accused highly

00:43:33relevant information

00:43:34I would have

00:43:35thought but I do

00:43:35agree we do not

00:43:37want to wander too

00:43:38far abroad

00:43:39as your lordship

00:43:40pleases

00:43:42now Mr Linger's

00:43:43article about my

00:43:44client when you

00:43:46contacted Lella

00:43:46Martin and asked

00:43:47him to let this

00:43:49reporter conduct an

00:43:50interview what did

00:43:51you tell him about

00:43:51the piece that

00:43:52Linger would be

00:43:52writing

00:43:53I told him it

00:43:54would be about

00:43:55the transvestite

00:43:55homosexual

00:43:56yes but did you

00:43:57tell him that

00:43:57the article would

00:43:58be expressing

00:43:58his views

00:43:59yes that was

00:44:01why he was

00:44:01being interviewed

00:44:03did you tell him

00:44:04that the article

00:44:04would be fair

00:44:05and balanced

00:44:05yes I did

00:44:06now earlier you

00:44:07advised my lord

00:44:08and the jury

00:44:08that because of

00:44:09this trial

00:44:10the article had

00:44:11been abandoned

00:44:11that's right

00:44:13could the witness

00:44:14be shown a copy

00:44:14of exhibit nine

00:44:15please

00:44:21have you ever

00:44:21seen that before

00:44:24no I haven't

00:44:24now would you

00:44:25now would you as

00:44:26an expert consider

00:44:27that article to be

00:44:28a fair and balanced

00:44:29view of Lola Martin

00:44:30and his transvestite

00:44:31homosexual tendencies

00:44:39no I certainly would not

00:44:41do you recall a particular

00:44:43moment during that evening

00:44:44in the club when Lola Martin

00:44:45was handed a newspaper article

00:44:47by the owner of the club

00:44:49no I'm afraid I don't

00:44:51oh

00:44:52now when being questioned

00:44:54by my learned friend

00:44:54you described Lola Martin

00:44:56his manner that evening

00:44:58as being promiscuous

00:45:00in his manner

00:45:01and his speech

00:45:02you also said

00:45:03that he was aggressive

00:45:04I put it to you

00:45:05that he only began

00:45:06to behave in that manner

00:45:07towards the end

00:45:07of the evening

00:45:11certainly his behaviour

00:45:12became more erratic

00:45:13towards the end

00:45:14of the evening

00:45:14after he'd been shown

00:45:15a previous article

00:45:16written by the reporter

00:45:17and after he'd realised

00:45:18just what kind of an article

00:45:20was going to be written

00:45:20about him

00:45:21well I know nothing

00:45:22about him having been

00:45:22shown any article

00:45:24but certainly he became

00:45:25very belligerent

00:45:26towards Mr Linger

00:45:27and myself

00:45:27he accused us

00:45:28of exploiting him

00:45:29did he really

00:45:30yes

00:45:33paranoia is very common

00:45:34amongst homosexuals

00:45:35delusions of persecution

00:45:37you mean

00:45:38yes I do

00:45:38were you being paid

00:45:40by the Sunday Gazette

00:45:41for the contribution

00:45:41you were making

00:45:42towards that feature article

00:45:43yes

00:45:44how much

00:45:45200 pounds

00:45:46the homosexual industry

00:45:48appears to be booming

00:45:49doctor have you recently

00:45:51returned from a lecture

00:45:52tour of the United States

00:45:53yes I have

00:45:54lecturing I believe

00:45:55on homosexual

00:45:56and transvestite deviancy

00:45:58that's right

00:45:59I gave 15 lectures

00:46:00on that subject

00:46:00at various universities

00:46:01now one newspaper report

00:46:04I have here

00:46:04the San Francisco Post

00:46:06states that you were paid

00:46:08one thousand dollars

00:46:10per lecture

00:46:11is that accurate

00:46:12yes it is

00:46:13and I was also paid

00:46:15expenses if we're going

00:46:16to have an examination

00:46:17of my earnings

00:46:17presumably the views

00:46:18you expounded on that

00:46:19lecture were similar

00:46:21to the views

00:46:22that you have aired

00:46:22here today

00:46:23yes

00:46:24of course the questions

00:46:25the students asked me

00:46:26were considerably more

00:46:27intelligent than the

00:46:27questions I've been

00:46:28asked here today

00:46:29in that case doctor

00:46:31in that case doctor

00:46:31I will refrain

00:46:32from asking

00:46:32any further questions

00:46:36Milard

00:46:36not wishing to demonstrate

00:46:38my own stupidity

00:46:39Mrs. Forrest

00:46:40I will decline

00:46:41the opportunity

00:46:42of questioning

00:46:43this witness

00:46:43now that is my case

00:46:45Milard

00:46:48I call Lola Martin

00:46:50Mr. Lee

00:46:50I assume that your

00:46:51examination in chief

00:46:53will be a lengthy one

00:46:54yes my lord

00:46:54in that case

00:46:55I will adjourn

00:46:56until tomorrow

00:47:18the case is in

00:47:20Fulchester are fictitious

00:47:21join us tomorrow

00:47:22when the queen

00:47:22against Martin

00:47:23will be concluded

00:47:24in the crown court

00:47:25I'm not the world's

00:47:26most masculine man

00:47:28but I know

00:47:29what I am

00:47:29when I'm dead

00:47:30I'm a man

00:47:31so it's Lola

00:47:34Lola

00:47:35Lola

00:47:36Lola

00:47:53Lola

00:47:54Lola Martin

00:47:54has been charged

00:47:55with persistently

00:47:56importuning

00:47:57and assaulting

00:47:58a police officer

00:47:58during the execution

00:47:59of his duty

00:48:00he's about to be called

00:48:01to give evidence

00:48:02on his own behalf

00:48:03the jury in this trial

00:48:04has been selected

00:48:05from members of the public

00:48:06whose names appear

00:48:07on the electoral register

00:48:08and who are eligible

00:48:09for jury service

00:48:10I call Lola Martin

00:48:31who are you

00:48:33Lola Martin

00:48:34my lord

00:48:35Mr. Lee

00:48:36is this your client

00:48:37yes my lord

00:48:38it is

00:48:38he desired

00:48:39that the jury

00:48:40should see him

00:48:40dressed exactly

00:48:41as he was

00:48:41on the night

00:48:42of his arrest

00:48:42to me extremely

00:48:44irregular

00:48:45Mrs. Forrest

00:48:46do you have

00:48:46any objection

00:48:48I'm sorry

00:48:49Millard

00:48:50I said

00:48:50do you have

00:48:51any objections

00:48:51to the defendant

00:48:52being dressed

00:48:53in those clothes

00:48:54with the greatest

00:48:55respect my lord

00:48:56I feel that

00:48:56whether my learned

00:48:57friend has

00:48:58or has not

00:48:59any objections

00:48:59is beside the point

00:49:00with respect

00:49:01prosecution council

00:49:02cannot decree

00:49:03what a defendant

00:49:03should or should

00:49:04not wear in court

00:49:05that is a matter

00:49:06for you

00:49:06Millard

00:49:07I'm inclined

00:49:07to agree

00:49:08with my learned

00:49:08friend

00:49:09of course

00:49:10he may be

00:49:11guilty of contempt

00:49:12really my lord

00:49:13if one takes

00:49:13that view

00:49:14then Dr. Burlington

00:49:15who I noticed

00:49:16today is wearing

00:49:17a dress

00:49:18was guilty

00:49:18of contempt

00:49:19yesterday

00:49:23let us proceed

00:49:24Mr. Lee

00:49:25with the greatest

00:49:26respect my lord

00:49:27my client

00:49:28has not yet

00:49:28been sworn in

00:49:29come along

00:49:29what are we

00:49:30waiting for

00:49:34what is your

00:49:36religion

00:49:36see thee

00:49:40is your full

00:49:41name Lola

00:49:42Martin

00:49:42yes it is

00:49:43is Lola

00:49:44your official

00:49:45name

00:49:46I see that

00:49:46you were charged

00:49:47under that

00:49:48name

00:49:48yes it is

00:49:48my lord

00:49:49thank you

00:49:50thank you

00:49:50my lord

00:49:51you've heard

00:49:52yourself described

00:49:52in court

00:49:53as a transvestite

00:49:54and a homosexual

00:49:55do you accept

00:49:56those descriptions

00:49:57as being accurate

00:49:57yes I do

00:49:58I have also

00:49:59heard yourself

00:49:59described as a

00:50:00deviant

00:50:01suffering from

00:50:02a sexual

00:50:02aberration

00:50:03do you accept

00:50:03those descriptions

00:50:04as being accurate

00:50:05of you

00:50:05certainly not

00:50:07many more

00:50:08than I accept

00:50:08most of the

00:50:09definitions

00:50:09from other

00:50:10experts

00:50:11when they attempt

00:50:11to explain

00:50:12away people

00:50:12like me

00:50:13to what

00:50:13experts and

00:50:14definitions

00:50:14are you referring

00:50:16there have been

00:50:17so many

00:50:19according to

00:50:20Jung

00:50:21I'm basically

00:50:22a heterosexual

00:50:22who doesn't

00:50:24know how to

00:50:24do it

00:50:25according to

00:50:26Freud

00:50:26I have an

00:50:27oedipus complex

00:50:27and I want

00:50:28to take my

00:50:28mother to bed

00:50:29Freud also

00:50:30feel that I'm

00:50:31terribly immature

00:50:32according to the

00:50:33late Archbishop of

00:50:34Canterbury

00:50:34Dr. Fisher

00:50:35I'm indulging in

00:50:36a shameful vice

00:50:37which is a

00:50:38grievous sin

00:50:39and from which

00:50:40deliverance should

00:50:41be sought by

00:50:41any means

00:50:42I have no wish

00:50:43to single out

00:50:44that dear

00:50:45Christian

00:50:45his views are

00:50:46shared by the

00:50:47Catholic Church

00:50:47and most of

00:50:48Western Christianity

00:50:50according to

00:50:51Dr. David Rubin

00:50:52whose views are

00:50:53expressed in a book

00:50:53that has sold

00:50:54over half a million

00:50:55copies

00:50:56I haunt bus

00:50:58stations

00:50:59cinemas

00:51:00car parks

00:51:01public washrooms

00:51:02and walk up

00:51:03to total strangers

00:51:04and without a word

00:51:05take off their

00:51:06trousers and make

00:51:07love to them

00:51:09according to

00:51:10Kraft Ebbing

00:51:10I masturbated

00:51:12too much

00:51:12when I was a

00:51:13child

00:51:14Havelock Ellis

00:51:15thinks that my

00:51:15dressing up in

00:51:16women's clothes

00:51:16is an aberration

00:51:18but then he also

00:51:19thinks that

00:51:20urinating and

00:51:21defecating over

00:51:22other people

00:51:22is great fun

00:51:23you see there

00:51:24are so many

00:51:25experts Mr. Lee

00:51:26yes

00:51:28I do see

00:51:29Lola

00:51:30how do you feel

00:51:31about the treatment

00:51:32Dr. Burlington

00:51:32gave you

00:51:34disgust

00:51:35the worst thing

00:51:36I've ever done

00:51:37in my life

00:51:37was to agree

00:51:38to let that

00:51:38person give me

00:51:39so called

00:51:40medical treatment

00:51:42she exposed me

00:51:43to a group

00:51:43of neurotics

00:51:45and when that

00:51:45didn't work

00:51:46made me vomit

00:51:46again and again

00:51:47why did you

00:51:48agree to that

00:51:49treatment

00:51:49well because

00:51:50I was full of

00:51:50guilt and fear

00:51:51about being a

00:51:52homosexual

00:51:53it took me

00:51:54a long time

00:51:54to realise

00:51:55it was the guilt

00:51:55and fear

00:51:56that were unnatural

00:51:57not my

00:51:57homosexuality

00:51:58do you still

00:51:58feel any guilt

00:51:59or fear

00:51:59certainly not

00:52:01I'm proud

00:52:02I'm gay

00:52:03I have a basic

00:52:04human right

00:52:04to be gay

00:52:05I have choice

00:52:06real choice

00:52:08I don't know

00:52:09about the

00:52:11psychological reasons

00:52:11or the

00:52:13physiological reasons

00:52:14I don't know

00:52:14about the

00:52:15chromosome reasons

00:52:16but I do

00:52:16know what I

00:52:17am

00:52:18I am a

00:52:19homosexual

00:52:19now feeling

00:52:20the way you

00:52:21do about

00:52:21Dr Burlington

00:52:22why did you

00:52:23cooperate

00:52:23and agree

00:52:24to be interviewed

00:52:25at the club

00:52:25because no matter

00:52:26what my personal

00:52:27feelings about

00:52:28Dr Burlington

00:52:29and the kind

00:52:29of medical view

00:52:30that she represents

00:52:30were

00:52:32I had a duty

00:52:33to speak up

00:52:33for the oppressed

00:52:34minority

00:52:34which I'm a member

00:52:35you mean the

00:52:36homosexuals in this

00:52:36country

00:52:37yes I do

00:52:38although

00:52:39when you remember

00:52:40that it has been

00:52:41publicly stated

00:52:42that this

00:52:43so-called minority

00:52:44which I'm a member

00:52:44is greater

00:52:45in this country

00:52:46than the number

00:52:47of Jews

00:52:47or Roman

00:52:49Catholics

00:52:50one begins

00:52:51to wonder

00:52:51whether that

00:52:51minority

00:52:52might not

00:52:52well be a

00:52:53majority

00:52:54certainly

00:52:55if every

00:52:56gay person

00:52:57in this country

00:52:58was to have

00:52:58the courage

00:52:59to stand up

00:52:59and be counted

00:53:01I think

00:53:02those who

00:53:02govern us

00:53:02and who make

00:53:03the laws

00:53:04by which we

00:53:04are forced

00:53:05to live

00:53:05might have

00:53:05a few shocks

00:53:07if every

00:53:08gay politician

00:53:09every gay

00:53:10lawyer

00:53:11every gay

00:53:12probation officer

00:53:12train driver

00:53:13surgeon

00:53:14priest

00:53:15minor

00:53:15footballer

00:53:16teacher

00:53:16and all the rest

00:53:17of them

00:53:17would only

00:53:18stand up

00:53:20who knows

00:53:21it might be

00:53:22the turn of the

00:53:22straits to be

00:53:23threatened

00:53:23now this

00:53:24interview that you

00:53:25gave to the

00:53:26reporter at

00:53:26Verity's club

00:53:27what did you

00:53:28talk to him

00:53:29about

00:53:30I talked about

00:53:31the way the

00:53:33medical profession

00:53:33in this country

00:53:34regards homosexuality

00:53:35as a sickness

00:53:37I talked about

00:53:38the politicians

00:53:39of this country

00:53:39who have one

00:53:40set of laws

00:53:41for the

00:53:42so-called

00:53:42normals

00:53:43and another

00:53:44set for people

00:53:45like me

00:53:45what do you

00:53:46mean another

00:53:46set for people

00:53:47like you

00:53:48the same laws

00:53:49govern all

00:53:49our people

00:53:50well I'm afraid

00:53:51they don't

00:53:51if you're normal

00:53:53and by normal

00:53:55I mean that you

00:53:55go to bed with

00:53:56people of the

00:53:56opposite sex

00:53:57then provided the

00:53:59person you're going

00:53:59to bed with

00:53:59consents

00:54:00you can do it

00:54:01if you're 16

00:54:02years of age

00:54:02or over

00:54:03you can do it

00:54:04in Scotland

00:54:05and Northern

00:54:05Ireland

00:54:06you can do it

00:54:07in the Merchant

00:54:07Navy

00:54:08you can do it

00:54:09in any of the

00:54:09armed forces

00:54:10you can advertise

00:54:11that you want

00:54:11to do it

00:54:11if like me

00:54:13you are a homosexual

00:54:14you are not allowed

00:54:15to do it in any

00:54:16of these instances

00:54:17although the age of

00:54:18consent for females

00:54:19is 16

00:54:20the age of full

00:54:21legal adulthood

00:54:22is 18

00:54:23the only item of

00:54:24legislation on the

00:54:25statute book

00:54:25where the age of 21

00:54:27is retained as

00:54:27dividing line

00:54:28is for consenting

00:54:29male homosexuals

00:54:31and that's what you

00:54:33were talked about

00:54:33when you were

00:54:34interviewed at

00:54:34Verity's Club

00:54:35that

00:54:36and a lot more

00:54:37besides

00:54:38I talked about

00:54:39the oppression

00:54:40facing a gay person

00:54:41attempting to get

00:54:42custody of their

00:54:42children

00:54:43about the way we

00:54:44are persecuted

00:54:45by the police

00:54:46and did the

00:54:46reporter write

00:54:47all of this down

00:54:47certainly did

00:54:49kept saying

00:54:50it would make

00:54:50great copy

00:54:51yes

00:54:52you've heard

00:54:53evidence given

00:54:54that during the

00:54:55course of the

00:54:55interview in the

00:54:56club towards the

00:54:57end of the evening

00:54:57your attitude

00:54:58became belligerent

00:54:59is that so

00:55:00yes that is

00:55:01correct

00:55:01why was that

00:55:03why

00:55:05because I

00:55:06realized that I'd

00:55:06been conned

00:55:08ripped off

00:55:09I beg your

00:55:09pardon

00:55:10oh

00:55:11ripped off

00:55:12exploited my

00:55:12lord

00:55:13and in a way

00:55:14that's just what

00:55:15that pair had

00:55:15done to me

00:55:17certainly the

00:55:18reporter had

00:55:18how did you

00:55:19discover this

00:55:19well the owner

00:55:21of the club

00:55:21Oscar

00:55:21he asked me

00:55:23who the guy

00:55:23was Linger

00:55:24the reporter

00:55:24I told him

00:55:26he freaked

00:55:27and he

00:55:28shared me

00:55:28a newspaper

00:55:29with one of

00:55:30Linger's articles

00:55:31in it and I

00:55:31freaked

00:55:32what do you

00:55:32mean

00:55:34well I realized

00:55:35that I'd been

00:55:35conned

00:55:37that all Linger

00:55:37wanted to do

00:55:38was to exploit

00:55:39the fact that

00:55:39I'm gay

00:55:40you know that

00:55:41sort of thing

00:55:42titillate while

00:55:42they pontificate

00:55:44moralize while

00:55:44they sensationalize

00:55:45so what did

00:55:46you do

00:55:47I went back

00:55:47and gave him

00:55:48a mouthful

00:55:49I told him

00:55:49just with the

00:55:50thought of him

00:55:50I said right

00:55:50you bastard

00:55:51if you want

00:55:52a screaming

00:55:52queen you

00:55:53can have one

00:55:53why did

00:55:54you say that

00:55:56because I felt

00:55:57bitter

00:55:58I felt

00:55:59cheated

00:56:00the only way

00:56:01I could think

00:56:01to head back

00:56:01was the way

00:56:02I actually did

00:56:03what did you

00:56:03actually do

00:56:04I became

00:56:05what he'd

00:56:05come looking

00:56:06for

00:56:07a raving

00:56:07screaming

00:56:08queen

00:56:10you know

00:56:10that sort

00:56:11of thing

00:56:11I went

00:56:12rushing up

00:56:12to people

00:56:13kissing them

00:56:14and shouting

00:56:14all those

00:56:15quaint words

00:56:16we homosexuals

00:56:17are supposed

00:56:17to be obsessed

00:56:18with

00:56:18I thought

00:56:19if you wanted

00:56:19a cliche

00:56:20you might as well

00:56:21get a good one

00:56:21now

00:56:22you've heard

00:56:23evidence given

00:56:24that you

00:56:25commented

00:56:25on

00:56:26Detective Sergeant Lent

00:56:28do you accept

00:56:28that evidence

00:56:29as being true

00:56:30oh yes

00:56:30that's true

00:56:31and this was

00:56:32part of the act

00:56:33you were putting

00:56:33on for the reporter

00:56:34was it

00:56:35oh no

00:56:36that was no act

00:56:37I fancied him

00:56:38did you

00:56:39oh yes

00:56:41he'd been looking

00:56:42at me all night

00:56:43as far as I was

00:56:44concerned

00:56:44he wanted to know

00:56:45now you've heard

00:56:46that police officer's

00:56:47evidence

00:56:47what do you have

00:56:48to say about

00:56:49his version

00:56:49of the events

00:56:50they are accurate

00:56:52except for the fact

00:56:53that he certainly

00:56:53did kiss me back

00:56:55and he never showed

00:56:56me any police

00:56:57identification

00:56:58now did you ask

00:56:59him to go back

00:57:00to your home

00:57:00of course I did

00:57:02I thought he was

00:57:03gay

00:57:03did you hit him

00:57:04yes I did

00:57:06right on the jaw

00:57:07as hard as I could

00:57:08why did you do that

00:57:10because he grabbed

00:57:11me and hurt me

00:57:13and said something

00:57:13about I was going

00:57:14to go where he

00:57:15wanted me to go

00:57:16now did you think

00:57:17at that moment

00:57:18that he was a

00:57:19policeman

00:57:19I certainly did

00:57:20not

00:57:21what I thought

00:57:22I thought he was

00:57:22rough trade

00:57:23when he grabbed

00:57:24me I thought

00:57:24the trade was

00:57:25a bit too rough

00:57:26so I whacked

00:57:28him

00:57:28you're quite certain

00:57:29in your own mind

00:57:30that when you

00:57:30spoke to him

00:57:31and you subsequently

00:57:32hit him

00:57:32you thought he

00:57:34was a fellow

00:57:34homosexual

00:57:35of course I did

00:57:37but I don't want to

00:57:38I don't want to hide

00:57:38behind that by asking

00:57:39for compassion

00:57:40or kindness

00:57:42I have come here

00:57:43to ask for the same

00:57:44justice that would be

00:57:45given to the straight

00:57:46to the hetero

00:57:47I thought he was gay

00:57:49that's why I chatted

00:57:50him up

00:57:50that's why I kissed

00:57:51him

00:57:52why he kissed me back

00:57:54is his problem

00:57:55well maybe he did

00:57:56make a genuine mistake

00:57:57maybe he thought I

00:57:58really was a woman

00:58:00or maybe she's a

00:58:00closet queen

00:58:02what is a closet queen

00:58:04well it's the vast

00:58:05number of homosexuals

00:58:06in this country

00:58:07people are afraid

00:58:08to stand up and say

00:58:09that they are

00:58:11homosexuals

00:58:12I see

00:58:12Mr Lee

00:58:14oh I

00:58:15have no further

00:58:16questions my lord

00:58:19I have no questions

00:58:20to ask the defendant

00:58:21Milana

00:58:22really Mrs Forrest

00:58:23no Milana

00:58:25in my view

00:58:26he has admitted

00:58:27his guilt to the

00:58:28charges he faces

00:58:28while answering

00:58:29his own counsel's

00:58:30questions

00:58:31anything I would

00:58:32ask him would be

00:58:33superfluous

00:58:40your full name

00:58:41is Oscar Douglas

00:58:42sure is

00:58:43are you the owner

00:58:43of a club situated

00:58:44in Earlham Street

00:58:45Forchester

00:58:45a club named

00:58:46Verities

00:58:47that's right

00:58:47it's my club

00:58:48what would you say

00:58:49if I told you

00:58:50that the night

00:58:50Martin was arrested

00:58:51the police were

00:58:53in your club

00:58:53looking for drug

00:58:54catholic

00:58:55I'd say some

00:58:56bum and handed you

00:58:56a lot of bullshit

00:58:58Mr Douglas

00:58:59you appear to have

00:59:00some posterior

00:59:02obsession

00:59:02would you

00:59:03moderate your

00:59:04length

00:59:08do you recall

00:59:09that particular

00:59:10night

00:59:10please Mr Douglas

00:59:12you bet I do

00:59:13never had trouble

00:59:13like that before

00:59:15now do you recall

00:59:16any conversation

00:59:16that you had

00:59:17with Lola Martin

00:59:17before he was

00:59:18arrested

00:59:18sure I recall

00:59:20warning him

00:59:20about that reporter

00:59:21he was talking to

00:59:22why did you warn him

00:59:23well I knew

00:59:24the guy was

00:59:25two-faced

00:59:26I'd read some

00:59:26of the stuff

00:59:27he'd written

00:59:27earlier for the

00:59:28Gazette

00:59:28did you tell

00:59:29Lola about

00:59:29any of that

00:59:30stuff

00:59:30right

00:59:30showed her

00:59:31one of the

00:59:32articles too

00:59:33bunch of crap

00:59:34about some

00:59:35poor girl

00:59:35with an

00:59:36illegitimate kid

00:59:37what was

00:59:37Lola Martin's

00:59:38reaction

00:59:39he freaked

00:59:39I heard him

00:59:40go back to

00:59:41the table

00:59:41and really

00:59:42get into

00:59:42that reporter

00:59:42did you see

00:59:44and do you

00:59:44see now

00:59:45anyone else

00:59:46in the

00:59:46court

00:59:46who was

00:59:47in the

00:59:47club

00:59:47that

00:59:47evening

00:59:49yeah

00:59:49that dame

00:59:50over there

00:59:51and the guy

00:59:52sitting in front

00:59:52of her

00:59:53turned out

00:59:53to be a cop

00:59:54turned out

00:59:55to be a cop

00:59:56you didn't

00:59:56know prior

00:59:57to that evening

00:59:58that he was

00:59:59a policeman

00:59:59no I didn't

01:00:00didn't know

01:00:01about his

01:00:01boyfriend

01:00:02being police

01:00:02either

01:00:03but aren't

01:00:04both the

01:00:04policemen

01:00:05members of

01:00:05the club

01:00:05of course

01:00:06they are

01:00:07but they

01:00:07joined under

01:00:07assumed names

01:00:08I didn't

01:00:08know they

01:00:09were police

01:00:09would you

01:00:10have still

01:00:10let them

01:00:10join

01:00:11if you

01:00:11hadn't

01:00:11known

01:00:11that they

01:00:12were

01:00:12policemen

01:00:13sir

01:00:14I'm a

01:00:14realist

01:00:15of course

01:00:15I'd have

01:00:16let them

01:00:16join

01:00:16you don't

01:00:17run a

01:00:18police

01:00:18are happy

01:00:18with it

01:00:19but if

01:00:19I'd

01:00:19known

01:00:20they

01:00:20were

01:00:20police

01:00:20and that

01:00:21they

01:00:21were

01:00:21looking

01:00:22for

01:00:22drugs

01:00:22I

01:00:23would

01:00:23have

01:00:23told

01:00:23them

01:00:23that

01:00:24they're

01:00:24wasting

01:00:24their

01:00:24time

01:00:24like I said

01:00:25I run a

01:00:26clean joint

01:00:27now if you

01:00:28were not aware

01:00:29that they were

01:00:29police officers

01:00:30did you form

01:00:30any conclusions

01:00:31as to who

01:00:32or what

01:00:32they might be

01:00:33I thought

01:00:34they were

01:00:34either gays

01:00:35or charabank

01:00:35trade

01:00:36I beg your

01:00:36pardon

01:00:38charabank

01:00:38trade

01:00:38your honor

01:00:39people who

01:00:39like to mix

01:00:40with gays

01:00:40but who

01:00:41aren't gay

01:00:42themselves

01:00:42ah

01:00:42rather like

01:00:43supporters of

01:00:44a football team

01:00:45they don't

01:00:46actually play

01:00:47themselves

01:00:47but they like

01:00:48to watch

01:00:49others who

01:00:49do

01:00:49yeah

01:00:50never thought

01:00:51of it like

01:00:51that

01:00:52thank you

01:00:53thank you

01:00:54my lord

01:00:55now we've

01:00:56heard evidence

01:00:56that Lola Martin

01:00:57used the

01:00:58ladies toilet

01:00:59that night

01:01:00you are aware

01:01:01are you not

01:01:01that Lola Martin

01:01:02is a man

01:01:02of course I am

01:01:03you mean it's

01:01:04permissible for men

01:01:05to use the ladies

01:01:06toilets in your club

01:01:07if they're in drag

01:01:09they use the ladies

01:01:09if they're dressed as men

01:01:11they use the gents

01:01:12it's rather an unusual

01:01:13arrangement surely

01:01:14I've never had any

01:01:15complaints

01:01:15I see

01:01:17now were you present

01:01:18when Lola Martin

01:01:19was arrested

01:01:19and brought back

01:01:20into the main

01:01:20area of the club

01:01:22yes I was

01:01:23one of the leather

01:01:24guys who later

01:01:25turned out to be a cop

01:01:26had a hold of Lola

01:01:27who was struggling

01:01:29Lola let out a shout

01:01:30about the joint

01:01:30being raided

01:01:31most of the customers

01:01:32just started laughing

01:01:33couldn't believe it

01:01:34I guess

01:01:35then this other guy

01:01:36in leather

01:01:36leaps up

01:01:37grabs hold of Lola

01:01:38and they hustle him

01:01:39outside

01:01:39and that was the

01:01:40first indication

01:01:41you had

01:01:41that these two men

01:01:42were police officers

01:01:43certainly was

01:01:44Mr. Douglas

01:01:45thank you very much

01:01:50this club

01:01:51you run

01:01:52what about it

01:01:53you referred to it

01:01:54just now as

01:01:55a clean joint

01:01:56is that right

01:01:56that's right

01:01:57well I put it to you

01:01:58that it's hardly clean

01:01:59a meeting place

01:02:00for transvestites

01:02:01for homosexuals

01:02:02what's the matter

01:02:03with gays having

01:02:04a drinking club

01:02:04you are here

01:02:05to answer my questions

01:02:06I'm not here

01:02:07to answer yours

01:02:08well ask me a question

01:02:09that requires an answer

01:02:10not crap like that

01:02:11Mr. Douglas I've warned you

01:02:12once before

01:02:12please moderate your language

01:02:14you accept that your club

01:02:16is a notorious meeting place

01:02:18for homosexuals

01:02:19do you?

01:02:20not notorious lady

01:02:21famous

01:02:22you make your money

01:02:23out of providing

01:02:24a drinking club

01:02:25for homosexuals

01:02:26and other deviants

01:02:27is that right?

01:02:29that's right lady

01:02:30presumably any riffraff

01:02:32can join this place

01:02:33oh no ma'am

01:02:34for example

01:02:35I wouldn't let you join

01:02:37could the witness

01:02:38be asked to refrain

01:02:39from making insulting remarks

01:02:40Mr. Douglas

01:02:41Mrs. Forrest

01:02:42is not applying

01:02:43for membership

01:02:43I must warn you

01:02:44that you are very close

01:02:45to committing contempt

01:02:46of court

01:02:47now would you just

01:02:47answer the question

01:02:48please

01:02:48thank you Miland

01:02:50Mr. Douglas

01:02:51this club of yours

01:02:52it was considered

01:02:53by the police

01:02:54to be a scene

01:02:55for drug trafficking

01:02:55to such an extent

01:02:57that they've been

01:02:57keeping observation

01:02:58on it for a number

01:02:59of months

01:02:59now would that

01:03:01not suggest to you

01:03:02that there is no smoke

01:03:03without fire?

01:03:04what it suggests to me

01:03:06is that

01:03:07for reasons of their own

01:03:08I don't know them

01:03:09they figured somebody

01:03:11might be pushing

01:03:12in my place

01:03:13what it also suggests to me

01:03:14is that they should

01:03:15go on an efficiency course

01:03:16I've never even been busted

01:03:17for being open

01:03:18a minute after time

01:03:19let alone for running

01:03:20a joint where drugs

01:03:21get pushed

01:03:21no?

01:03:22well perhaps you

01:03:23can tense yourself

01:03:24with running a joint

01:03:25for mentally sick people

01:03:26and exploiting them

01:03:27by taking their money

01:03:29and profiting

01:03:30from their deviancy

01:03:31who are these

01:03:32mentally sick people lady?

01:03:34the homosexuals

01:03:35that frequent your club

01:03:36in that case

01:03:38include me in

01:03:39I'm gay too you know

01:03:40I have no further questions

01:03:47when I talk of the evidence

01:03:49I do not mean

01:03:50what Kraft Ebbing

01:03:51wrote about homosexuals

01:03:53or what the late

01:03:54Archbishop of Canterbury

01:03:55said of them

01:03:55I refer to the evidence

01:03:57relating to the two

01:03:58offences

01:03:59with which the defendant

01:04:00is charged

01:04:01namely

01:04:03persistently

01:04:03importuning

01:04:04for an immoral purpose

01:04:05and assaulting

01:04:07a police officer

01:04:08in the execution

01:04:08of his duty

01:04:09you have heard

01:04:11the evidence

01:04:11of Detective Sergeant Lent

01:04:13of how the accused

01:04:14said to him

01:04:15why don't you come back

01:04:16to my place

01:04:17we could have a lot of fun

01:04:18you have heard

01:04:19that officer testify

01:04:20how when he attempted

01:04:22to arrest the accused

01:04:23he was hit

01:04:23and hit hard

01:04:24at the struggle

01:04:25that ensued

01:04:26so violent

01:04:27as a struggle

01:04:28that a fellow officer

01:04:29was obliged to go

01:04:29to Sergeant Lent's aide

01:04:32astonishingly

01:04:32you have heard

01:04:33the defendant

01:04:34confirm that evidence

01:04:37he agrees

01:04:39he tried to pick up

01:04:40the officer

01:04:41with a view

01:04:41to having sexual

01:04:43intercourse with him

01:04:44he agrees

01:04:45that he hit him

01:04:48you will remember

01:04:49that I did not

01:04:49cross-examine

01:04:50the accused

01:04:51well what was the point

01:04:52he had freely

01:04:53admitted his guilt

01:04:54while being questioned

01:04:55by his own counsel

01:04:56what is his defence

01:04:58it is

01:05:00I thought Sergeant Lent

01:05:02was a homosexual

01:05:03I did not know

01:05:05he was a police officer

01:05:06well

01:05:07the fact that Lent

01:05:08was indeed

01:05:09a police officer

01:05:09is absolutely

01:05:10irrelevant in this case

01:05:12Martin is not

01:05:13the first person

01:05:14to appear in the courts

01:05:15of this country

01:05:15because he did not

01:05:16realise

01:05:17that a plainclothes

01:05:18police officer

01:05:19was in fact

01:05:20a policeman

01:05:22my learned friend

01:05:23may well talk to you

01:05:24of agent provocateur's

01:05:26police

01:05:26or their agents

01:05:28who encourage people

01:05:29to commit crimes

01:05:30they would not

01:05:31have otherwise committed

01:05:32well

01:05:33in this case

01:05:34as in all cases

01:05:35you will take the law

01:05:36from my lord

01:05:37but my view of it

01:05:38based on a judgment

01:05:40from the court of appeal

01:05:41is that agent provocateurs

01:05:43are necessary

01:05:44within our society

01:05:45and that although

01:05:46their role

01:05:46in any particular case

01:05:47might affect sentence

01:05:48it does not affect

01:05:50the question of guilty

01:05:51or not guilty

01:05:53I believe that

01:05:54having considered

01:05:55all of the evidence

01:05:56in this case

01:05:57you will be left

01:05:58with only one conclusion

01:06:00that the defendant

01:06:01is guilty

01:06:02on both counts

01:06:13as for homosexuals

01:06:16being mentally sick

01:06:17now that seems to me

01:06:18to be an echo

01:06:19of the view

01:06:20expressed by

01:06:21Dr Burlington

01:06:21in the witness box

01:06:22when she extolled

01:06:24the disgusting practices

01:06:25of aversion therapy

01:06:26I find it ironic

01:06:28that the doctor

01:06:29has just returned

01:06:30from a highly paid tour

01:06:31of the United States

01:06:32where she expounded

01:06:33her punitive views

01:06:34in some 15 colleges

01:06:36and universities

01:06:37ironic

01:06:38because in 1974

01:06:40the American Psychiatric Association

01:06:43removed homosexuality

01:06:45from its list

01:06:46of psychiatric diseases

01:06:47at least

01:06:49no longer consider

01:06:49it a newness

01:06:51now my learned friend

01:06:53remarked

01:06:53that you may find

01:06:54Lola Martin's attire

01:06:55offensive

01:06:56you may

01:06:57but do you consider

01:06:58it offensive

01:06:59when Danny LaRue

01:06:59entertains us

01:07:00do you consider

01:07:01it offensive

01:07:02when Dick Emery

01:07:03or Benny Hill

01:07:03dress in women's clothes

01:07:05was society outraged

01:07:07when the National Theatre

01:07:08in 1967

01:07:09produced Shakespeare's

01:07:11As You Like It

01:07:11with an all-male cast

01:07:12many of them

01:07:14of course

01:07:14dressed as women

01:07:17when men

01:07:18of the talent

01:07:18and reputation

01:07:19of Lord Olivier

01:07:20and Sir Alec Guinness

01:07:22performed as women

01:07:23were you scandalised

01:07:24did you walk out

01:07:25of the theatres

01:07:26and the cinemas

01:07:27when Tony Curtis

01:07:28and Jack Lemmon

01:07:28cavorted in the movie

01:07:29Some Like It Hot

01:07:30dressed as women

01:07:32do you ban your children

01:07:33from listening to The Who

01:07:34when they sing songs

01:07:35like I'm a Boy

01:07:36or stop them watching

01:07:37singers like Mick Jagger

01:07:39or David Bowie

01:07:40when they appear

01:07:40in women's clothes

01:07:42do you pick at the theatres

01:07:43during the pantomime season

01:07:45because of the panto dames

01:07:48men dressed as women

01:07:51Verities is a club

01:07:52for homosexuals

01:07:53my client is

01:07:55a homosexual

01:07:56he saw that policeman

01:07:58dressed in a classical

01:07:59homosexual outfit

01:08:00he smiled at the man

01:08:01who smiled back

01:08:02he kissed the man

01:08:04and a sworn on oath

01:08:05that the police officer

01:08:07returned that kiss

01:08:08now you will have formed

01:08:10your own opinion

01:08:11of Lola Martin

01:08:11but I venture to submit

01:08:13that whatever that opinion

01:08:15you will agree with me

01:08:16that he's an honest man

01:08:20I contend that Lola Martin

01:08:22was incited

01:08:23to break the law

01:08:24by that officer

01:08:25now with regard

01:08:26to the court of appeal

01:08:27ruling

01:08:27that the use of

01:08:28agent provocateurs

01:08:29is acceptable

01:08:30I would remind you

01:08:31that that court ruling

01:08:32was made

01:08:33in 1974

01:08:35it has been considerably

01:08:36modified since that date

01:08:38I would refer you

01:08:39to two cases this year

01:08:42in July 1976

01:08:44at the Old Bailey

01:08:47two men were charged

01:08:48with dealing in cannabis

01:08:49worth 14,000 pounds

01:08:51they were acquitted

01:08:53after direction

01:08:54from the judge

01:08:54he didn't even bother

01:08:55to send the jury out

01:08:56they were acquitted

01:08:57by Judge Gillis

01:08:58after it became clear

01:08:59during the course

01:09:00of the trial

01:09:00that the two defendants

01:09:02had been tricked

01:09:03by an agent provocateur

01:09:06in September

01:09:07in September of this year

01:09:08a jury returned

01:09:09a verdict of not guilty

01:09:10in a case involving

01:09:12alleged importuning

01:09:13in a men's lavatory

01:09:14they returned that verdict

01:09:17after the defense

01:09:18counsel's insistence

01:09:19that the police officer

01:09:20in this case

01:09:21had acted

01:09:22as an agent provocateur

01:09:24now you may agree

01:09:25that Detective Sergeant Lent

01:09:27played the same role

01:09:28in this case

01:09:29if you do

01:09:30you must acquit

01:09:31my client

01:09:32on both charges

01:09:37if you believe

01:09:38that Detective Sergeant Lent

01:09:40enticed the accused

01:09:41if you believe

01:09:43that the police officer

01:09:44encouraged him

01:09:45then it is your duty

01:09:47to acquit

01:09:48the defendant

01:09:49both counsel

01:09:51have expressed their views

01:09:52concerning the role

01:09:53of agent provocateur

01:09:54clearly there is

01:09:55a divergence of opinion

01:09:57not only between counsel

01:09:58but also between

01:09:59the various law opinions

01:10:01that they cite

01:10:02I direct you

01:10:03that each case

01:10:05must be taken

01:10:05on its own

01:10:06particular merits

01:10:08there are guidelines

01:10:09laid down

01:10:09for police officers

01:10:10in this area

01:10:11that line clearly

01:10:13distinguishes

01:10:13between acceptable

01:10:15cooperation

01:10:16with suspects

01:10:17and unacceptable

01:10:19provocation

01:10:20to commit

01:10:22offenses

01:10:24I leave it to you

01:10:25to determine

01:10:25whether the police

01:10:27stayed on the right

01:10:27side of that line

01:10:29or whether

01:10:30they ventured

01:10:31over it

01:10:32I must ask you

01:10:34now to retire

01:10:34elect the foreman

01:10:36and consider

01:10:38your verdict

01:10:43will your foreman

01:10:44please stand

01:10:45just answer this

01:10:46question

01:10:47yes or no

01:10:48have you reached

01:10:49a verdict

01:10:50upon which

01:10:50you are all agreed

01:10:51yes

01:10:51on the first count

01:10:53of persistently

01:10:53importuning

01:10:54for an immoral purpose

01:10:55do you find the

01:10:56defendant Lola Martin

01:10:57guilty

01:10:58or not guilty

01:10:59not guilty

01:11:00on the second count

01:11:01of assaulting a police

01:11:02officer in the

01:11:03execution of his duty

01:11:04do you find the

01:11:05defendant Lola Martin

01:11:06guilty or not guilty

01:11:08not guilty

01:11:12Lola Martin

01:11:13you have been

01:11:14acquitted on both

01:11:15counts

01:11:16you are free

01:11:17to leave this court

01:11:20girls will be boys

01:11:21and boys will be girls

01:11:23it's mixed up

01:11:24muddled up

01:11:25shook up

01:11:25world

01:11:26except my Lola

01:11:27la la la la

01:11:30la la

01:11:32well I left

01:11:34halt just a week

01:11:35before

01:11:35and I'd never

01:11:37ever kissed

01:11:37a woman before

01:11:38but all her smile

01:11:40took me by the

01:11:41the cases in

01:11:42Forchester are

01:11:42fictitious

01:11:43and our cameras

01:11:44return to bring you

01:11:44another leading case

01:11:45from the Crown Court

01:11:46home

01:11:47the

01:11:49the

01:11:50house

01:11:50they

01:11:51the

01:11:52the

01:11:52home

01:11:53tomorrow

01:11:53is

01:11:55okay

01:11:55why

01:11:59them

01:12:01they

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