00:00Who decides on that line between surveillance for safety and surveillance that encroaches people's, you know, civil liberties?
00:10Yeah, I'll speak more as a political scientist than a technologist and say that that line is just a function
00:15of, you know, the level of democracy in the country and the legitimacy of the government and power.
00:21What is the difference between, you know, a kind of surveillance state that's been led by an autocratic regime and
00:26a kind of surveillance state in a more citizen-approved, democratized regime is literally that, is citizen-approved democracy.
00:33You know, and then, you know, again, this is not for me to decide or for anybody else to decide.
00:37It's really just a, it should be based on what the United States is built on, public consensus.
00:42And now there's quite strong, you know, in certain pockets of the country and increasingly all over the country, you
00:48know, public concern about the overreach of the current government.
00:52And the thing about these kinds of surveillance tools is they build an infrastructure.
00:56That infrastructure cannot be rolled back.
00:58So we can, we cannot just pull it back when we say, oh, actually, this is a government that's overreaching.
01:03And, oh, you can have more because this is a government that's not overreaching.
01:06And not only can it not work that way, we don't even have the visibility or protections to work that
01:11way, right?
01:12So, yeah, so we can agree that there is corporate overreach and it's different for the government.
01:16We have tools and mechanisms to protect us from corporate overreach.
01:21We don't necessarily have the tools and mechanisms at play now, or at the very least, those tools are being
01:26quite stifled by the current administration to exercise our right to say, you know, we think that there is overreach
01:32happening by the government.
01:33There is nothing wrong or unconstitutional with saying that, in fact, that is protected by the Constitution.
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