Sherlock S3 DVD commentary The Empty Hearse

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00:00:02Hello, I'm Stephen Moffat, executive producer and co-creator of Sherlock.

00:00:06Hello, I'm Mark Gatiss, the same and also writer of this episode.

00:00:10Hello, I'm Eunice Stubbs and I play Mrs Hudson.

00:00:14Hi, I'm Sue Virtue and I'm the producer.

00:00:17Also my wife.

00:00:18And also my...

00:00:19No, that's not right.

00:00:21No, that's not right.

00:00:22Eunice's my wife.

00:00:23Oh, hello.

00:00:26Hang on, this has made me this ages ago.

00:00:28This is a flashback to the Reichenbach Fall.

00:00:30Keep your eyes.

00:00:31This was made in the late 30s.

00:00:32That's right.

00:00:34That's Nigel Bruce.

00:00:35We do have a tendency, which we're always shooting ourselves in the foot,

00:00:39about having to go back and recreate the end of the previous episode at least two years later.

00:00:45Yeah.

00:00:45This one was a particular challenge.

00:00:48And apparently there's a telephone booth near here and everybody has stuck little messages.

00:00:53Yes, we had to take them down, didn't we?

00:00:56Yeah.

00:00:56Because it would become a Sherlock shrine in the meantime.

00:00:58It's quite nice.

00:00:59Yeah.

00:01:00We went there for a recce with Jeremy Lovering, the director,

00:01:04and it was the first time that he'd been on that recce.

00:01:06And I said, oh, there's quite a few fans around.

00:01:09There's that group over there.

00:01:10And he said, oh, it's probably some nurses or doctors or something.

00:01:15At which point we just saw a man go, and this is where he fell.

00:01:21So they've got, oh, my goodness, they've got Sherlock Tours.

00:01:26It seemed to have.

00:01:28And then the cafe around the corner is doing brilliant business as well.

00:01:32Yes, of course, yes.

00:01:33It's worth pointing out, isn't it, that when we did the Reichenbach Fall,

00:01:38we obviously anticipated there would be some interest in how Sherlock had not died.

00:01:44In the intervening two years, it became so vast as an international talking point

00:01:50that we realised when we came to actually explain it,

00:01:53the last thing we could do was just explain it.

00:01:56Yeah, we had to.

00:01:58And hence this.

00:01:59This must be the point at which surely people start to suspect we're not telling the truth.

00:02:05Some people were very keen for it to be the truth.

00:02:07I kind of wanted it to be true.

00:02:09I think we should get together.

00:02:11They won't, by the way.

00:02:12You mean Sherlock and Darren Brown?

00:02:14Sherlock and Darren Brown.

00:02:16We had to get all the same supporting artists back in the world two years later,

00:02:20which I think we pretty much did, and they were all dressed in the same clothes again.

00:02:24It's one of those amazing things, though, when you think about the weather.

00:02:27The weather on the day we did Reichenbach was so bizarrely changeable

00:02:31that actually anything apart from snow would have been just about okay.

00:02:36And in fact it was.

00:02:40It's raining in the new shots, though, isn't it?

00:02:42Just to point out the mistakes.

00:02:43It's raining in the new stuff and it's not raining in the original.

00:02:46But luckily it's only from Anderson's point to be honest.

00:02:49Yeah, yeah.

00:02:50But it did rain on one of the two original days.

00:02:54I'm so sorry I wasn't there.

00:02:57Where were you?

00:02:59You were being ministered in the history.

00:03:03When we screened this at the BFI, it had exactly the desired reaction.

00:03:08You could hear people intake of...

00:03:11Appalled.

00:03:13Are you kidding?

00:03:14Really?

00:03:15No.

00:03:16But in fact, no.

00:03:17We haven't.

00:03:18Bollocks!

00:03:19There he is, Mr Gorgeous.

00:03:22Don't be hurt.

00:03:23Derren Brown.

00:03:25The rest of us go silent to that.

00:03:27Faint resentment.

00:03:29We're expecting something big for Marx for a scene, though.

00:03:31Yeah.

00:03:32There better be that.

00:03:33Mr Sex, maybe.

00:03:35With a mask on.

00:03:36So this also came out of the idea that Anderson had become...

00:03:41Anderson and Donovan had been the chief...

00:03:44Not conspirators, but the people who really thought that Sherlock was a fake.

00:03:47And that actually, with two years on,

00:03:51that Anderson might have sort of gone off the rails

00:03:53and become rather...

00:03:54Yeah.

00:03:54Survivor guilt, really.

00:03:57And Johnny Aris plays it so brilliantly that he's...

00:04:00He was always so cool and collected and resentful.

00:04:03And now he's become this kind of freak who just hangs around.

00:04:06I feel as though we did this fundamentally

00:04:08so Sir Jonathan wouldn't have to shave his beard off.

00:04:11Because he's always had to shave his beard off to do Sherlock.

00:04:13And now he can keep it, because he's meant to be a madman.

00:04:15I'm sorry, Jonathan.

00:04:16I just realised how that sounds.

00:04:18And get food in it.

00:04:20Yeah.

00:04:20Which is the real key.

00:04:22Sherlock Holmes was vindicated and cleared of all suspicion.

00:04:26Sadly, all this comes too late for the detective.

00:04:29Location-wise, we're obviously left to Cardiff for this.

00:04:33There he is, beardless, you see.

00:04:34More suspicious like that, I think.

00:04:36Oh, yes.

00:04:38And what if Rupert just come off?

00:04:40Because he was absolutely brown as a berry with his crew cut again.

00:04:44I think he's probably just been extra handsome.

00:04:46Had he been on...

00:04:48He'd been in Antigua.

00:04:49Yeah.

00:04:50I don't know what's on.

00:04:52Oh, it was Death in Paradise.

00:04:53Yeah, Death in Paradise.

00:04:54Yeah, yeah.

00:04:55It's a very nice shot there.

00:04:56Yeah.

00:04:56And going into the...

00:04:57Oh, clever.

00:04:58And now into the vexed question of John's moustache.

00:05:01Yes, that's completely real, that is.

00:05:03Robert, at the very beginning.

00:05:05Look at the reality of that.

00:05:05It became a thing.

00:05:07Martin would just, as he always does, very forensically, say,

00:05:09yeah, but why would I have a moustache?

00:05:12Do you remember we were having the post-read-through meeting

00:05:15about the moustache?

00:05:17About the empty house.

00:05:18We were having sensible conversations about things he wanted to change,

00:05:21and every so often Martin Freeman would come marching over

00:05:23wearing a different moustache and say,

00:05:25slightly bad tempered, what about this one?

00:05:27And he would say, yeah, that's lovely, I don't like it,

00:05:29and he was storming off again.

00:05:30And trying to get out of it.

00:05:31There was a very serious conversation punctuated by silly moustaches.

00:05:35And you'd say, but I'm a sex symbol.

00:05:41And then, of course, there's Benedict's funny wig here.

00:05:43Yeah.

00:05:44It's really just revenge, isn't it, Steve?

00:05:46Yeah, it's what we do.

00:05:47Yeah.

00:05:48I think they should wear giant shoes and moustaches.

00:05:50That would be good, wouldn't it?

00:05:51Giant clone shoes.

00:05:53Slap shoes.

00:05:54Tell us a little about this evening, Steve.

00:05:56I wasn't there on this evening.

00:05:59Oh, that's right.

00:06:00It was Beryl, wasn't it?

00:06:01Beryl was there.

00:06:01We missed all the good bits.

00:06:03This is a very tough bit.

00:06:04There was a proper helicopter and everything else.

00:06:06Yeah, and they were supposed to be heat,

00:06:08and they couldn't find him.

00:06:09They couldn't find him.

00:06:11He was a real fugitive.

00:06:12He was brilliant.

00:06:15I think that's every inch of footage that was shown.

00:06:19Well, the idiot is right there.

00:06:20Look, I can see.

00:06:21What a idiot.

00:06:25He's in the sky with a torch.

00:06:27And then we shot the, um, this part.

00:06:30This is actually in the basement of the Diogenese Club.

00:06:34Yeah.

00:06:35Same location.

00:06:36It's actually not meant to be.

00:06:37Which is strangely believable plot-wise.

00:06:40Just kept him down there for a second.

00:06:41It's like the Ipcrest pile.

00:06:43We were just keeping it there.

00:06:44Same location, anyway.

00:06:46Micros personal portrait.

00:06:48He locked up his brother for two years.

00:06:50Just for fun.

00:06:51And burnt him with cigarettes.

00:06:54Oh.

00:06:56You don't like this?

00:06:56No.

00:06:58So realistic.

00:07:00Can you still do your dialogue, Mark?

00:07:02Have you learned this?

00:07:03That's the only way I can remember.

00:07:08Of my, um...

00:07:09Is it creation?

00:07:10I've forgotten.

00:07:11It's very well done, wasn't it?

00:07:13Yes.

00:07:13Mm.

00:07:14Oof.

00:07:17But...

00:07:19Jeremy Lovering, the director, we found because he did a fantastic horror film called In Fear,

00:07:26which, uh...

00:07:28Which you...

00:07:28Have you still not seen it?

00:07:30You haven't seen it.

00:07:30No, there was a...

00:07:46It was really tense and frightening.

00:07:48We both thought it was like...

00:07:49It's based on that thing of...

00:07:50Of getting lost and thinking, haven't we been here before?

00:07:54Yeah.

00:07:54Oh, that's right.

00:07:55And I couldn't get a copy.

00:07:56And I had...

00:07:57I remember watching it.

00:07:58It was in the afternoon, and I had a glass of water, and I kept reaching for my glass of

00:08:02water, and then you get such a shock.

00:08:03I thought, no, I can't drink it, because I'll just spin it everywhere.

00:08:07And that was his.

00:08:08Yeah.

00:08:09It's very, very impressive.

00:08:10And obviously, it's not a direct link to directing.

00:08:14It's sort of like everybody wants to do it, but it was very, um...

00:08:17Terrorist network.

00:08:19Suggestive and very impressive, um...

00:08:20Massive attack is imminent.

00:08:21It was a lot of debut.

00:08:22Sorry.

00:08:23But the holiday is over.

00:08:25It's Mr. Sex.

00:08:26Sorry, I was getting there.

00:08:27Thank you very much.

00:08:27Somebody said it.

00:08:28Yes.

00:08:30There he is.

00:08:32Look at that sex hat.

00:08:35Sat.

00:08:37Hey, the title sequence.

00:08:39Slightly different again.

00:08:42Bits from the new series.

00:08:43So we decided, haven't we, that, um, in fact, all those things that went in the, um, in the

00:08:48online prequel, is sort of where Sherlock might have been.

00:08:52Yeah, yeah.

00:08:53Interviewing two years.

00:08:55But none of it's absolutely happened.

00:08:57It's still from Anderson's point of view, so...

00:09:00Yes, but that was originally part of the episode, wasn't it?

00:09:02Yes, yeah, yeah.

00:09:03And then, uh, we got rid of it, and then we brought it back for a minute.

00:09:08It was, it was essentially, it was just too, um, it was taking too long to see him again,

00:09:12wasn't it?

00:09:13Yeah.

00:09:13Um, uh, it's, it's an interesting thing that we've, uh, you know, in the original story,

00:09:20The Empty House, Conan Doyle has sort of had the same problem, which is that, um, you just

00:09:27want them to be back together again.

00:09:28Yes.

00:09:29And, in the end, the explanation is nowhere near as important as the fact that they're

00:09:34back together again.

00:09:35Your Honour.

00:09:36Yes.

00:09:39He's been revving round the front of the basement where he's been imprisoned.

00:09:43It must have started that.

00:09:44People start to believe it.

00:09:45I believe it now.

00:09:46It's part of my head canon.

00:09:48He was just in Mycroft's basement, and he was saying, try waterboarding.

00:09:55Give me the video.

00:09:57My television is tiny, so to be able to see it on this great big screen is such a luxury.

00:10:04I won't mind telling it to be this big.

00:10:06Yeah.

00:10:06Do you know, it was only, I think, when we saw the previous screen, I suddenly realised

00:10:10we'd missed a big trick.

00:10:12Nobody's wearing a poppy.

00:10:14Oh.

00:10:15And it's one of the most instantly November-ish things.

00:10:18Yeah.

00:10:18Isn't that funny?

00:10:19I just suddenly thought, here we are.

00:10:21Guy Fawkes.

00:10:24Here comes the star of the show.

00:10:26Now, the moustache has already been referred to.

00:10:30I don't know.

00:10:32Look, no, we've got some flashbacks.

00:10:34What do you think Mrs. Hudson has been up to in the meantime?

00:10:38Well, Mrs. Hudson's been given all sorts of things she's been up to that I didn't know

00:10:43about.

00:10:44Drugs.

00:10:45No, that's all in the past.

00:10:46It's the tragedy.

00:10:47It's the tragedy.

00:10:48Yes.

00:10:49She's just been standing slightly out of sight at the end of that courtroom.

00:10:52As you know, there is no room back there.

00:10:55It's just a flat.

00:10:56She just stands there waiting for you to come to the front door.

00:10:59It's a wonderful kitchen.

00:11:01Yeah, I love my kitchen.

00:11:02Oh, neat.

00:11:04Now, is this one, this was in an added scene, wasn't it, Mark?

00:11:08Yeah, yeah.

00:11:08Because the episodes this year were too short.

00:11:12Too short.

00:11:12Well, we had this whole thing.

00:11:14We were going to see Sherlock for the very first time, either on the roof, as he is very

00:11:19briefly, and then entering the restaurant.

00:11:21That was definitely it.

00:11:22Yeah.

00:11:22And then, you know, it just became clear that, again, we weren't seeing him.

00:11:28We needed to explain.

00:11:30Yes.

00:11:32And then I will have created this fantastic set, deliberately sort of Bond-like.

00:11:38Yes.

00:11:38Who knows?

00:11:39This is also an of the Dow, isn't it?

00:11:41How brilliant.

00:11:42Yes, because your office has changed quite a lot, hasn't it?

00:11:44Well, he's got several offices.

00:11:46The first one we see, I think, is my, you know, my digital office.

00:11:49So, date.

00:11:49Yeah.

00:11:49Date to date office.

00:11:50This is where he orders executions.

00:11:52Yes.

00:11:52You can tell that because there's a globe of the world.

00:11:54That's right.

00:11:56Gives off electric shocks.

00:11:59And that particular painting of the Queen, which is a deliberate Bond-eco.

00:12:04Yeah, that's...

00:12:04Took me a couple of hours.

00:12:07We thought it best to get a real wet shave barber.

00:12:10Yes, he was a wet shave.

00:12:12Somebody pretending to do it.

00:12:13I was going to do it.

00:12:17We just thought you'd succumb to temptation.

00:12:21Ah, the biscuits.

00:12:23I love doing this.

00:12:24Oh, no.

00:12:25This is the first same shot in this episode.

00:12:27Yeah.

00:12:28No.

00:12:29You forget a little thing like...

00:12:31Martin does the refusal to apologise for ages.

00:12:34Yeah.

00:12:35Not apologising.

00:12:36It seems...

00:12:36He is genuinely guilty, but he still can't bring himself to say sorry.

00:12:43Just trying it out.

00:12:45Well, it ages you.

00:12:48I was very keen to stress in this, that thing about...

00:12:53No.

00:12:53But just...

00:12:54Not just grief, but actually the way that people can drift like that.

00:12:58That, you know, that the longer you leave it, the harder it is to be.

00:13:01Yes.

00:13:01And that he is genuinely...

00:13:03And even though they've been through all that, once Sherlock's gone, the sort of framework

00:13:08falls apart.

00:13:09Yeah.

00:13:10And that he knows he should have popped round and then suddenly two years have gone by

00:13:14and it's sort of...

00:13:14Yeah, I've done it.

00:13:15Yes, with my own parents.

00:13:17I'll let it all slide in.

00:13:18I've tried it with Martin, but he just won't leave me alone.

00:13:25Oh, it's great that they'll never listen to this, isn't it?

00:13:28We can really let rip.

00:13:33About to see him in the theatre tonight.

00:13:35Are you?

00:13:35Yeah.

00:13:36He's got a full beard, though.

00:13:39Not just a nostalgia.

00:13:40He's good in that beard, isn't he?

00:13:42Yes.

00:13:43And his hair pushed back as well.

00:13:45Just put me back in line.

00:13:46And his hump.

00:13:49Limp.

00:13:50There's young Anthea, not seen since the very first episode.

00:13:53Or not Anthea.

00:13:54That's actually not her name.

00:13:56That's right.

00:13:56To her study in P.

00:13:57She's changed...

00:13:58She's actually changed it by D-pole to Anthea.

00:14:00She is Anthea.

00:14:01John Watson?

00:14:02Her secret is she really fancied John Watson.

00:14:05Oh, yeah.

00:14:05This is concerning.

00:14:08Again, this is added later, isn't it?

00:14:10Yeah.

00:14:11This whole sequence was...

00:14:12Yeah.

00:14:12We haven't been in touch at all to...

00:14:15It would be really great at this point if I could remember why we added it later.

00:14:18Well, but it was...

00:14:19Firstly, it was under-running.

00:14:21Yeah.

00:14:21It was ancient.

00:14:22Oh, but...

00:14:22Because we've actually...

00:14:23It was a long script.

00:14:24Oh, yes.

00:14:24We had that...

00:14:25This whole thing, didn't we, with series three, that all the scripts were long.

00:14:30And then they came in short.

00:14:31Yeah.

00:14:32Uh, amazing.

00:14:34In fact, the only one that didn't have time problems, I think, was...

00:14:37His Vow.

00:14:38Yeah, that was...

00:14:38Because Lars is much slower.

00:14:40Yes.

00:14:41Yeah, but it was also...

00:14:42His Last Vow was a very long script.

00:14:44And I remember it was, like, 140 pages in one point.

00:14:46And you said, uh...

00:14:48Mark, you said, oh, so it'll be ten minutes long then, going by our current record.

00:14:52And it...

00:14:52And it's still...

00:14:53It was dead easy to get to time.

00:14:54We had hardly lost anything.

00:14:56And Nick, of course, Nick shoots all sorts of extra stuff.

00:14:59But it was still, um...

00:15:00God, is it serious?

00:15:01As long as that had gone.

00:15:02No, it was all right, yeah.

00:15:03No, no.

00:15:03No, I'm not ill.

00:15:05I've, uh...

00:15:05Well, I'm...

00:15:06Oh, this is very fine.

00:15:07I like this bit.

00:15:07Moving on.

00:15:09I shouldn't watch it.

00:15:10I don't have to split it in a comment.

00:15:10Yes, but that's the problem.

00:15:12Yeah.

00:15:13You just like our show too much.

00:15:15I've met someone.

00:15:17Help!

00:15:19There's a logic problem here in that, you know, Mrs. Hudson does have plenty of evidence

00:15:23now that John isn't gay, and yet always comes back to the idea of this list.

00:15:27I think it's just...

00:15:28She just wills it to happen.

00:15:30I think she spends too much time on the internet.

00:15:34Or on...

00:15:35This is more or less the last hurrah for this joke, isn't it?

00:15:38Because he's getting very boring.

00:15:42But you're right, yes.

00:15:44I think if they're gay...

00:15:45She thinks if they're gay, she'll see more of it.

00:15:47Maybe that's it.

00:15:51Baker Street, who knows, jump out of a cake.

00:15:54Baker Street...

00:15:54Yes, so in true Sherlock style, despite putting his best friend through the worst possible

00:16:01grind, and being away apparently every two years, he just expects that he'll...

00:16:06He's bound to...

00:16:07The sort of thing, everybody else has just stayed in aspic, waiting for him to come back.

00:16:12Just sat in their houses, waiting for him to reactivate them when he turns up.

00:16:16And Sherlock thinks that too.

00:16:21Which actually is opposite to real life, isn't it?

00:16:23When you go away for a long period of time, and you come back and you think, everything

00:16:26will have changed.

00:16:27You realise nothing's changed at all.

00:16:29He'd be exactly the same thing.

00:16:31I think, I mean, the interesting thing about the point where we rejoin it, is that John

00:16:36has really been through it, but he's actually about to turn the corner.

00:16:40And at the worst possible time, back he comes.

00:16:45This was something we were quite keen on, because we sort of felt that Sherlock Holmes

00:16:49in the original story gets away with it to an extraordinary degree, when he's really

00:16:54asking for a punch in the face, which, after a decade, after over a century, he finally

00:16:58gets.

00:16:59London looks amazing.

00:17:01Just standing right next to him, a few feet along it, is Daniel Craig.

00:17:05We can't get into that.

00:17:07Morning, James.

00:17:07Morning, Sherlock.

00:17:08Yes.

00:17:11No, he does, um...

00:17:12I don't know if you'll walk into the Landmutter Hotel thinking they're going to walk into

00:17:14that restaurant.

00:17:15They've got to walk all the way to Cheltenham.

00:17:19Now, probably, this, uh, this, the next few minutes, which is quite, next, quite a lot

00:17:25of minutes, is my favourite bit of the third series, the, the reunion.

00:17:30So, it's so long.

00:17:32But do you remember, it was, it was actually even, it was done all here.

00:17:36Yeah.

00:17:37And then, uh, and then splitting it into increasingly pressing restaurants.

00:17:42Because that's, it's a way of dividing it up, although it is still the same scene.

00:17:45Yeah.

00:17:46But, um, we, it's, as you say, it's that thing of, uh, in the original story, he, he

00:17:51really, Dr. Watson is a bit aggrieved, and then he says, well, I couldn't have told

00:17:56you once, because you'd, you know, like, you'd have probably blabbed about it.

00:18:01And even that he doesn't admit to.

00:18:02No.

00:18:03And then he's going, it's good to see you.

00:18:04And then they're off.

00:18:05Mm.

00:18:05And we always thought about it, didn't we, that, that maybe Dr. Watson wasn't quite

00:18:09telling the exact truth.

00:18:10I think Dr. Watson, he faints in the original story.

00:18:13Yes.

00:18:13I don't, I don't think a grimace rolled before his eyes.

00:18:15I think he beat Charlotte up.

00:18:16Yeah.

00:18:17And about a month later, they resumed the conversation.

00:18:20All right, yeah, I'm looking for a bottle of champagne.

00:18:22A good one.

00:18:22Mm.

00:18:23Oh, I need to, oh, excellent.

00:18:24I wonder how many offers of French bars.

00:18:27He's doing the Allo, Allo movie.

00:18:31But he's been asked to turn it down a bit.

00:18:34This is funny, though, isn't it?

00:18:35Because one of the things we were absolutely hot on from the beginning was, in the 21st

00:18:39century, Sherlock, that he wouldn't get in disguise.

00:18:42Mm.

00:18:42That the, uh, he would, disguise was hiding in plain sight.

00:18:46Yeah.

00:18:46He does that a bit, you know, in A Great Game, he puts on a commissionaire's uniform,

00:18:51but actually, in this, because he's made it up on the spot, and also because it's time

00:18:57to let them have a bit of fun, it makes perfect sense.

00:19:01Yeah, and unfortunately, he proves his theory correct.

00:19:04No one looks at the waiter.

00:19:05Yeah.

00:19:06He can stand there forever.

00:19:07And here she comes.

00:19:11All right, all right, new lead.

00:19:14Amanda.

00:19:15He's having that.

00:19:16One is two.

00:19:19Now, the, it was a very rigorous auditioning process to fight Mrs. Walker.

00:19:24No.

00:19:25Well, they've got two children, I'd call that rigorous.

00:19:29She looks, she looks, she looks.

00:19:30She looks, she looks, she looks for the chemistry, I know, doesn't she?

00:19:32Mm.

00:19:32But we did, uh, do you remember it was, um, it was after watching Baskerville, yeah, yeah,

00:19:38mine, that we, uh, first asked Amanda.

00:19:42She was very excited.

00:19:44Yes.

00:19:44You know, before then we'd done extensive little questions, hadn't we, to Martin, like,

00:19:50Yeah.

00:19:50You'd never worked together before?

00:19:52Yeah.

00:19:52How did it go, was I?

00:19:55How are you getting on?

00:19:57And the great that the fans did take to her.

00:20:00Yeah.

00:20:01Oh, yes, absolutely.

00:20:01There was some resistance at the beginning, I think.

00:20:03Yeah, but she...

00:20:03But I think it's reasonable, though, because you don't want the, the girlfriend, uh, to come

00:20:07in and spoil the, the action.

00:20:09But it says a lot for Amanda.

00:20:12Yeah.

00:20:12The fact that she did work them round her.

00:20:14Yeah, that's true.

00:20:15Oh, she's fantastic.

00:20:16She is.

00:20:17But we did, we talked a lot, didn't we, about having that problem of suddenly someone spoiling

00:20:22the fun, something worse than you can do.

00:20:24So the important thing was to regard the third series as a new team, in a way, and actually,

00:20:29that fundamentally, she and Sherlock would immediately get on.

00:20:33Yeah.

00:20:33And that sort of changes everything.

00:20:34Which resulted in us writing a scene about, between Sherlock and, uh, Mary, that we couldn't

00:20:42make work.

00:20:43We both took passes.

00:20:44It couldn't make it.

00:20:44And it's all replaced by one line.

00:20:46I like it.

00:20:47I like it.

00:20:48And that was it.

00:20:49I love that line.

00:20:51It carries a lot of import.

00:20:52Yeah.

00:20:52There was about three pages.

00:20:54That's why the script is too short.

00:20:57Yes.

00:20:57We keep doing that.

00:20:58Everything keeps boiling down.

00:21:00I bet a lot of people went.

00:21:01Oh, wow.

00:21:01We're missing the big bit.

00:21:02The big moment.

00:21:03Oh, I love this.

00:21:03A wonderful performance from Mark.

00:21:06Well, it's so, well, he just, he does it all in a few looks.

00:21:11And it just, it shades from rage to despair and back again.

00:21:18Disbelief in the ass, yeah.

00:21:19I know.

00:21:20Could have given you a heart attack.

00:21:21Probably still will.

00:21:22But in my defense, it was very funny.

00:21:24Okay, it's not a great defense.

00:21:26Oh, no, you are.

00:21:27Oh, yes.

00:21:27Oh, my God.

00:21:28I'm not great.

00:21:29He would do.

00:21:29You died.

00:21:29You jumped off a roof.

00:21:30No.

00:21:31You're dead.

00:21:32No, I'm great.

00:21:32Probably not the best time to have a comedy moustache.

00:21:35No.

00:21:37That look is just terrifying.

00:21:41Oh, my God.

00:21:42Do you have any of it?

00:21:43It's just, it's a car crash, isn't it?

00:21:45Just watching Sherlock, digging and digging and assuming that his native charm will win

00:21:50over everybody in a few seconds' time.

00:21:53It's about to take several restaurants.

00:21:57Passage about a week.

00:21:59So we did have a trouble, we had trouble finding a large enough place to shoot, didn't we?

00:22:04We've been selling in cars.

00:22:04We did, and especially one that we could close.

00:22:07That was the problem.

00:22:08In fact, that was also one of the reasons why we split the restaurants up, wasn't it?

00:22:11Yeah.

00:22:11We couldn't get it all in one.

00:22:12For longing that.

00:22:16Now, you let me grieve.

00:22:17No.

00:22:18Amazing.

00:22:19Yes.

00:22:21How could you do that?

00:22:22It all becomes very real now, doesn't it?

00:22:25How?

00:22:25Right, before you do anything that you might regret.

00:22:28And this is, this is again, the final, the final misjudgment.

00:22:31You can't, you can't.

00:22:32I'll jolly him on with this little remark.

00:22:35My red topless.

00:22:36Yes.

00:22:38Oi!

00:22:39And this is the part.

00:22:41Finally, a century and a half later.

00:22:43Yes, he finally, the bat swing is finished.

00:22:48I love the music.

00:22:49Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:22:49That was Jeremy's item.

00:22:51I calculated that there were 13 possibilities.

00:22:53Now, he's slightly shabbier.

00:22:55Well, quite a lot shabbier.

00:22:56In Cheltenham to Newport, I think.

00:22:59I'm having myself into a parked hospital band.

00:23:00And this day, we did think of this relatively early, the endless tease about him explaining.

00:23:06Because I remember you say, of course, actually, in real life, you wouldn't be asking how.

00:23:10You'd be saying, why?

00:23:11Yeah, exactly.

00:23:12Why would you do that?

00:23:13Yeah, because John hasn't been aware that everybody else has been saying, how did he

00:23:18fake his death?

00:23:20Why have you done this to me?

00:23:21I see.

00:23:22I just popped that.

00:23:23Remember, actually, I popped that in the ADR.

00:23:27I said to Benedict, will you just say, there's also a system of Japanese wrestling?

00:23:31Oh, yes.

00:23:32I thought, we missed it.

00:23:33We missed the one, which is the way that Doyle actually explained it outrageously.

00:23:37Yes.

00:23:38But he was the only one?

00:23:40The Doyle explanation, it only occurred to me relatively recently, doesn't work at all.

00:23:45His whole reason in the original story for concealing the fact he's alive is because it's so that Moriarty's gang

00:23:51won't find out.

00:23:52But Moran has just seen him.

00:23:54Number two in Moriarty's gang.

00:23:56And he rolls a rock unto him.

00:23:57Yes, it's curious, isn't it?

00:23:59That bit from Amanda just then, when she said, well, you've needed a confidant, and that's your first little slip

00:24:04in of that she wasn't exactly who she seemed.

00:24:07Well, she's, yeah, she's very sharp.

00:24:09She's assessing it from her point of view.

00:24:13We wanted to put in things that you would, so the idea was that you would like Mary because she

00:24:18was getting into the swing of the action so quickly.

00:24:21And therefore never questioned the fact that nobody really would, unless, of course, they weren't what they seemed to be.

00:24:27And she's far too at ease with Sherlock Holmes and the way he behaves for a normal person.

00:24:32And when we get to the deductions on screen, we slipped in Liar.

00:24:36Liar, yes.

00:24:37And, of course, people picked up in it.

00:24:38And it was great because they would just go, what is this?

00:24:43Not working it out.

00:24:44Little red herrings.

00:24:45Also, when we were putting it in there, do you remember how much you tried to hide Liar?

00:24:49It just stares at you and it was so short.

00:24:52It used to, amongst the others, it once said, unresolved Jason Orange Crush.

00:24:56Oh, yeah.

00:24:57Which was an attempt to hide Liar.

00:25:01Why am I the only one?

00:25:04Martin's fury.

00:25:05Reacting like a human being.

00:25:07Oh, what reaction?

00:25:08He gets higher and higher.

00:25:11He gets positively over hardy in him, aren't he?

00:25:15Oh, gay thing to do!

00:25:18Or Norman Wisdom.

00:25:21What was your tell, anyone?

00:25:23Swear to God!

00:25:28They're funny men, aren't they?

00:25:30London isn't...

00:25:30They're brilliant.

00:25:31...in terrorist attack, and I need your help.

00:25:33Clever choices.

00:25:34I think...

00:25:34Here we are.

00:25:37We're in silent screen comedy now.

00:25:41Admit it.

00:25:43The thrill of the chicken.

00:25:44It's true, we have missed it.

00:25:44...in your veins, just the two of us against the rest of the world.

00:25:47Yay!

00:25:51I said, I'm sorry, isn't that what you're supposed to do?

00:25:54Cardiff.

00:25:55Anything about human nature, do you?

00:25:56I'm a Cardiff house, darling.

00:25:58Human nature?

00:25:58No.

00:26:00Human?

00:26:00I mean, London.

00:26:01Is it?

00:26:01It's obviously really London.

00:26:02Yeah.

00:26:03I'll talk him round.

00:26:06You will?

00:26:07It's interesting, isn't it?

00:26:09In the original stories, Jellick comes back.

00:26:13Of course, Mrs. Watson has died in the interriff.

00:26:17Yeah.

00:26:17But there's an interesting thing right back beginning.

00:26:20Mary!

00:26:21Dr. Watson gets married at the end of the second story, and then all the short stories either

00:26:28take place in a strange middle bit before the marriage, or when she allows him out for

00:26:35a holiday and things like that.

00:26:36And we thought, you know, this is, you can almost sense Conan Doyle thinking, oh, I've

00:26:41got that call.

00:26:42Is that wrong?

00:26:42I like it.

00:26:43So we thought, well, the ideal thing is to bring her in now.

00:26:47She suddenly becomes a new, Mrs. Watson becomes a new factor.

00:26:50And when you're looking to do a big thing for a season, it's like, well, this is as big

00:26:55as it gets, you know?

00:26:56But here's the thing, Mark.

00:26:57Did you know that it's never actually specified in the stories that Mary dies?

00:27:02Well, he says he's been divorced.

00:27:05Divorce.

00:27:05Maybe it could be a divorce.

00:27:07Could she come out and just bugger it off?

00:27:08I don't.

00:27:09Well, it's possible.

00:27:10That's possible.

00:27:11His sad loss is all this, uh, is her preferred.

00:27:14You just want specifics, don't you?

00:27:16Yeah.

00:27:17Yes, I don't think we get away with that now.

00:27:19No.

00:27:20Uh, you know, it starts with the next series.

00:27:22I heard about your sad loss.

00:27:24Yeah, well.

00:27:24Yeah.

00:27:26Well, what was it?

00:27:27Yeah, it was a loss.

00:27:28It was a loss.

00:27:29Of course, he's just seen Molly there, who is actually involved in this also.

00:27:33She's not so surprised.

00:27:35I think that that was just exciting.

00:27:37That's back in the original location.

00:27:39Carphound, yeah.

00:27:41But Lestrade.

00:27:43Yeah, the fact that, of course, Lestrade goes, you bastard.

00:27:46I think he's the deep dad he knew.

00:27:48He knew he was fake.

00:27:49He was fake.

00:27:50Well, it's a sort of, I think he does this rather well, he's sort of thinking it through.

00:27:53Of course, of course you bloody did.

00:27:55Of course you did.

00:27:58Because he is smart.

00:27:59Yeah.

00:27:59And he's just this, oh, I've been saying you were dead for ages.

00:28:03The best that's come, my God.

00:28:03You've been letting things slide, Graham.

00:28:06He'll get his name wrong.

00:28:08I love the hug.

00:28:09The hug is really sweet.

00:28:15So many people.

00:28:20Oh, I feel slightly dizzy when he wants to mention.

00:28:24And now, the money shot.

00:28:26Yeah.

00:28:27Well, this is, again, this is a sort of dramatisation of a quote from this whole story.

00:28:32He went back to Baker Street in his own person and threw Mrs Hudson into violent hysterics.

00:28:38This is quite an intimate shot, wasn't it?

00:28:40Yeah.

00:28:42If this happens to be your fetish, you are really in luck in the moment, sir.

00:28:47Now, Dracula.

00:28:52I'm a bit short.

00:28:53There we go.

00:28:54In we go.

00:28:55Whee!

00:28:57I remember...

00:28:57We could sell the rest of the footage to medical.

00:29:00Jeremy and Steve Laws, the DOP, working that in steps.

00:29:03Yeah.

00:29:04What lens now?

00:29:05I don't think there are any left.

00:29:08We've never seen anyone clean their teeth.

00:29:11Here's what is clearly...

00:29:12This is the real solution, isn't it?

00:29:14People occasionally ask Mark and myself, which of the three explanations was it?

00:29:20I always say this one, the middle one.

00:29:22Occasionally, they're always asking.

00:29:24But, I mean, for heaven's sake, it's a dummy with a cut-out picture of Benedict on it.

00:29:30I mean, really, that's not it.

00:29:32I think it might be the second part of it that they wanted to.

00:29:35Yeah.

00:29:37I remember when we were filming the stuff with the rubber mask in the beginning in the tube,

00:29:42and Andrew was going, I think this is it now, isn't it?

00:29:46This is my last...

00:29:47This is it.

00:29:49I thought, no, not really.

00:29:53I don't see why not.

00:29:55It's just as plausible as some of your theories.

00:29:57It's good.

00:29:58Yeah.

00:29:59I do take it seriously.

00:30:00Somehow it's...

00:30:02It's made a huge impact in that episode.

00:30:05It's a tiny part.

00:30:07No such thing as...

00:30:08No.

00:30:10Sherlock's still out there.

00:30:12We talked a lot, didn't we, about the fact that, again, Sherlock is a celebrity in his

00:30:17own world.

00:30:18In the original stories.

00:30:19And that, actually, this is a source of...

00:30:22Obviously, we're also having fun with the fact that it's become a global phenomenon and

00:30:26everything.

00:30:27But, actually, that even within the original stories, there are people going, I've heard

00:30:31of you.

00:30:32People are slightly obsessed with him.

00:30:34Yeah, there's a...

00:30:35It's part of the stories.

00:30:36It's not something we've invented.

00:30:38It's a...

00:30:38He is a celebrity in the original fiction.

00:30:42Now, again, this is a...

00:30:43I love this little scene.

00:30:45I think it gives us the entire relationship between these two.

00:30:48And yet it's another...

00:30:50I don't see him.

00:30:50I don't see him that you ran off and wrote.

00:30:53Because there was a set and some time available.

00:30:57We've got Martin and Amanda and a set.

00:31:00Quickly, write something.

00:31:01Do you sometimes find, with the best one in the world, you've thought everything was

00:31:07there, and then you suddenly think, do you know, this just needs a little link or a couple

00:31:12of lines that say the whole thing?

00:31:15Well, do you know, I mean, a lot of major movies do what, sadly, we mostly can't afford

00:31:19to do in television, which is always have a two-week reshoot plan from the very beginning

00:31:24to add stuff or to change stuff.

00:31:26And when you see the edit, because that moment was missing.

00:31:29That moment wasn't there.

00:31:30And it's actually one of my favourite scenes.

00:31:33Drifted.

00:31:33Irresistible.

00:31:34It gives such reality to that relationship.

00:31:37And it also accounts for the disappearance of the mustaches.

00:31:40That's a question of who knows.

00:31:41Actually, she pulled one end of it and it tore away.

00:31:45What are you talking about?

00:31:49If this woman leaves London without putting her dog into kennels...

00:31:52This is, as quite often happens in Sherlock, and it certainly happens in Scandal in God,

00:31:58Reviate.

00:31:59Hang on, the plot's not done anything for you.

00:32:02It should be revisited.

00:32:04Should we go back?

00:32:05Yes.

00:32:05You did, in a way, slightly the victim of time, because we had revealed the three key words

00:32:14the previous summer.

00:32:15Yeah.

00:32:16Rat Wedding Bow.

00:32:17Without having written a word into the show.

00:32:20I wanted to do The Giant Rat of Sumatra, which is the most famous of the unrecorded adventures.

00:32:26What it was eventually going to be was a great point of issue.

00:32:30All Irene knew I wanted to do was something on the tube, because I love it.

00:32:33But it went through an awful lot of limitations, didn't it?

00:32:36And constant ways of, how do we make it a rat?

00:32:39Yeah.

00:32:39Because we've promised.

00:32:40Yes.

00:32:41Promised a rat.

00:32:43I love this little scene.

00:32:44This is, uh...

00:32:45Markers of yours is behaving in any way suspiciously.

00:32:48Your move.

00:32:49No, Mark.

00:32:50Ongoing...

00:32:50Trust me.

00:32:51We've really turned Mycroft into something.

00:32:53I'll phrase in an online blog.

00:32:54Are you, Mark?

00:32:55I like it.

00:32:57I love seeing you and Baird discussing who's clever.

00:33:02It's a very short discussion, because Mycroft is clever.

00:33:04That's...

00:33:05Sorry, Baird.

00:33:06Yeah, but not much clever.

00:33:08Yeah, no, hugely clever.

00:33:09But it's...

00:33:09I love...

00:33:09I just love it.

00:33:10They're actually just very...

00:33:11Being children.

00:33:12Yeah.

00:33:14That takes me back.

00:33:15Don't be smart, Sherlock.

00:33:17I'm the smart.

00:33:20Again, in retrospect, the things that, you know, I'm very glad about.

00:33:24We had a bit in the great game where Mycroft refers to something that Sherlock did as a

00:33:30child, which disintegrated their happy home, revealed that their father was having an affair,

00:33:35and we took it out.

00:33:36Yeah.

00:33:37In order to retain mystery.

00:33:39Obviously, now, thank God we did, because we've gone so much further with the family explanation.

00:33:44But also, it's just so nice to tease things, rather than just laying them out like that.

00:33:49Oh, I don't know.

00:33:50Because people just speculate wildly about their childhood.

00:33:54As well they might, for the rest of the short amount.

00:33:56Because I like the way we've gone.

00:33:58Actually, the childhood is quite ordinary.

00:34:00Yeah.

00:34:01Rather sweet parents.

00:34:02Again, we talk from the beginning that odd sort of hothouse flowers like Mycroft and

00:34:09Sherlock would not be the product of a broken home.

00:34:12They're actually the product of an indulgent home.

00:34:14Yes.

00:34:15Exactly.

00:34:16Sherlock Holmes has been horribly indulged.

00:34:19To tell you, the favourite son.

00:34:21Yes.

00:34:21They'll have to do what they want.

00:34:23No, he only gets to do a line from Private Life of Sherlock Holmes, so I'm sure there's

00:34:27a crying need for that.

00:34:29Copyright Irene Hunter.

00:34:33That fact, they were horrendous siblings.

00:34:38And this, it must have been a poor little bit.

00:34:40It's been an A.

00:34:43You wouldn't want to come to your birthday party, would you?

00:34:45No.

00:34:45I find no way.

00:34:47Anxious, sentimental, unfitful.

00:34:50Well, actually, that's where the Christmas scenes come from in his last bow.

00:34:53You just can't imagine what is the Christmas dinner like, because we had the line in.

00:34:57By the size of the head?

00:34:58Study and pet, remember?

00:34:59You can imagine the Christmas dinner.

00:35:00We did, didn't we?

00:35:01We talked about the idea of it as a sort of comic relief.

00:35:04Yeah.

00:35:05Catch.

00:35:08Some women have short hair, too.

00:35:09Balance of probability.

00:35:10Not that you've ever spoken to a woman with a short hair, or you know a woman.

00:35:13Staying show is out of condition, and he's sentimental because the hat has been repaired

00:35:16three, four...

00:35:17Five times.

00:35:18Very neatly, the cost of the repairs, it sees the cost of the hat, so he's mawkishly attached.

00:35:21I like the, uh, that essentially this is like them having a sword fight, but they did

00:35:26it with deduction, which is what...

00:35:28Obviously, he used to play his children.

00:35:30Hmm.

00:35:30Thinking they were cool.

00:35:34In Peru.

00:35:35Peru?

00:35:35This is a chulo.

00:35:36Classic headgear, the Andes, is made of alpaca.

00:35:38No, Sherlock.

00:35:39I said, iniquitously wins by going emotional.

00:35:42Yeah.

00:35:43I've written a blog on the memory.

00:35:44Force back a night.

00:35:45I'm sure there's a crying need for that.

00:35:47There we are.

00:35:48How many of you were home-taught, did you see?

00:35:50Oh, oh, definitely.

00:35:52Definitely.

00:35:53I think they both behaviour patterns speak to no contact.

00:35:57Yes.

00:35:59Home-taught, and I bet there was a lot of them who resigned and discussed.

00:36:03Yes.

00:36:04And then they taught themselves, of course.

00:36:07Do you imagine being a babysitter?

00:36:10Tell me.

00:36:11I remember, since they put this hat on, I thought, that picture's going to go global.

00:36:15It looks so sweet, actually, isn't it?

00:36:19It doesn't necessarily have to be isolated.

00:36:21That's it.

00:36:22Exactly.

00:36:25It's amazing how far we've gotten out of this conversation, which you always do now.

00:36:28We simply don't talk about the updating.

00:36:30Right.

00:36:31Yeah, yeah.

00:36:32Well, it's a long time ago now.

00:36:33Yeah.

00:36:36That's actually the size of his brain.

00:36:40I'm not lonely.

00:36:44Oh, you are.

00:36:46You're a sad old micro.

00:36:47How would you not?

00:36:48You don't know about my giant goldfish.

00:36:52That's a coy carp.

00:36:53Shouldn't we just have, next time, micro.

00:36:55Lots of goldfish there as he's starting to experiment with friendship.

00:37:01I've tried cuddling them, but they just don't.

00:37:05Which is fun.

00:37:08What?

00:37:09I understand a test.

00:37:09No goldfish were harmed in the making.

00:37:11You are never afraid of low comedy.

00:37:13No.

00:37:13Let it be said.

00:37:19This is a...

00:37:20Sherlock.

00:37:21Essentially a...

00:37:23The idea was to show Sherlock having a really exciting time,

00:37:27and John having an increasingly mundane life.

00:37:31I've also just discovered recently that doctors don't do that anymore.

00:37:34Cough.

00:37:35Is he not?

00:37:36No.

00:37:36But it's very unusual.

00:37:38They can do it all with a blood test.

00:37:39They can get a blood test or something, can't they?

00:37:40Yeah, yeah.

00:37:41I've had that done to me not that long.

00:37:45He said he was a doctor.

00:37:47Oh, no.

00:37:48It's brewing.

00:37:49It's a scandal brewing.

00:37:50Oh, God.

00:37:54You wanted to see me?

00:37:55Oh, here we are.

00:37:56Yes.

00:37:56This is a brilliant, yes.

00:37:58Molly.

00:37:58So, in the absence of...

00:38:00Well, she's got a long scarf, I've just realized.

00:38:01Very long, yes.

00:38:02Oh, my God, the truth is out.

00:38:04I suppose it was inevitable.

00:38:06Yes.

00:38:08We thought that Sherlock would just experiment with having someone else,

00:38:12and obviously assuming that John is very replaceable,

00:38:15he just sort of tries out.

00:38:16Yes.

00:38:16We never got round to Sherlock and Mrs. Hudson.

00:38:19There was a plan.

00:38:21It was going to be, wasn't it?

00:38:22Yeah.

00:38:23You were nearly there, and...

00:38:26Well, absolutely.

00:38:27I didn't do that bank account other than my son.

00:38:30Mrs. Hudson would say yes, would she?

00:38:32I'd just say no.

00:38:33No, I'm not doing that.

00:38:33No, I guess that was something that was...

00:38:36Yes, this scene was cut from...

00:38:38Scandal.

00:38:39Scandal, yeah.

00:38:40And then it fitted perfectly, so we re-shot it.

00:38:43Yeah, with the same people.

00:38:44With the same people, which is a wonderful...

00:38:46It's great to be paid twice for a job, I honestly think.

00:38:48Yeah.

00:38:48But I actually think it was finessed this time better.

00:38:51The punchline was done better.

00:38:54But it is a rare occasion.

00:38:57And you really thought...

00:38:58And this is the first of two little visitations

00:39:02to a wonderful story called A Case of Identity,

00:39:05which is a very subtle, well, very sort of low-key Sherlock Holmes story

00:39:09about a woman who's promised to marry someone,

00:39:13or he's promised to marry her, and then he disappears.

00:39:15It's terribly sad, but you couldn't really do it,

00:39:18because it relies on the fact she's very short-sighted,

00:39:21and it's actually her stepfather in disguise,

00:39:23and he wants to keep her at home so he can keep her wage committed.

00:39:28But I re-read it and thought, you know,

00:39:30there's some wonderful stuff in it.

00:39:32And then there's a little bit in episode two,

00:39:34when there's a woman on the pavement,

00:39:37and he says,

00:39:37oscillation on the pavement is always an affair in the heart.

00:39:41It's really touching, isn't it?

00:39:42It's very sweet.

00:39:43It's also an interesting new aspect to his character,

00:39:46because it's quite a narrowly story,

00:39:47is that he goes absolutely mad at the guy for doing it.

00:39:50Yeah.

00:39:51He gets furious.

00:39:52He grabs a writing crop off the wall.

00:39:54It's going to beat him up,

00:39:55because he thinks it's so horrible.

00:39:56So moral fervour is sort of entering this.

00:39:59Now, this is terrific, I think,

00:40:00because you could really believe that was Benedict in disguise.

00:40:05In disguise, yes.

00:40:08But this is how Sherlock appears in The Empty House,

00:40:10as a disguised bookseller.

00:40:13And this is also ripped off from a scene end,

00:40:15Spider-Woman, isn't it?

00:40:16Is it Spider-Woman?

00:40:17Yes, yes, where Nigel Brewster's the same.

00:40:19Yeah, he thinks somebody is Sherlock in disguise,

00:40:22and he isn't.

00:40:23I love the checking.

00:40:26I'll put the hat back on behind.

00:40:28As if this will be fine.

00:40:30And the way Martin says,

00:40:31yep, yep, it's fine, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.

00:40:34There's something happens.

00:40:37And then that's it.

00:40:39Apparently wallpaper sales have gone up since Sherlock.

00:40:42All wallpaper.

00:40:44Well, it had gone out of fashion, but now it's not.

00:40:47Well, that's Paul McGuigan, isn't it?

00:40:48Yes, it is.

00:40:49Paul's obsession with wallpaper.

00:40:52Are we under the diogenes case?

00:40:54This is awesome.

00:40:55It's actually a special club, yeah.

00:40:56It's not, you know.

00:40:58A very different, it is a different room, though.

00:41:00We are still talking about the location,

00:41:01not the actual fictional one.

00:41:03I still like to think.

00:41:06I think it's better.

00:41:07Minecraft is the number of dungeons

00:41:09in which you talk to us sometimes to death.

00:41:13And I very tend to try and find

00:41:15cool new things to do with.

00:41:17I do like the, um,

00:41:20what we did with the lettering.

00:41:21I just think it's a smoky thing now.

00:41:24Yeah.

00:41:25This, of course,

00:41:26this actually was originally

00:41:27the elephant in the room.

00:41:29Oh, God.

00:41:30This went through every possible permutation.

00:41:33It was going to be a stuffed elephant

00:41:35or a real elephant in a room.

00:41:37It was the same sort of setup

00:41:38that it was actually Anderson

00:41:39who tried to create the impossible case for Sherlock.

00:41:42And then it eventually became

00:41:44Jack the Ripper and all that.

00:41:46And then the elephant in the room

00:41:47became moved to episode two.

00:41:50Yeah.

00:41:50And eventually,

00:41:51we actually explored...

00:41:52Oh, it was going to be

00:41:53the most ridiculous thing

00:41:54because it was somewhere,

00:41:56it was up north in a zoo.

00:41:58We would have had to have built

00:42:00the room around the elephant.

00:42:01In the enclosure.

00:42:02Yeah.

00:42:03And there aren't as many

00:42:04captive elephants as you think.

00:42:06No, there's none in London now.

00:42:07There's none in Bristol.

00:42:09And it's going to cost a fortune

00:42:11for a really quick gag.

00:42:13In the end, we did it with...

00:42:14I'm still thinking

00:42:15of the special edition DJ.

00:42:17But it works tremendously well.

00:42:19They just come through the door

00:42:20and it makes jaw drops

00:42:21and you just hear...

00:42:25Sadly, it does work.

00:42:27I would have loved to see that.

00:42:28I would have loved to know.

00:42:33There is an optimum price, though,

00:42:34that you will pay for a gag.

00:42:36For a gag.

00:42:36Or in my book.

00:42:39Yes, boss.

00:42:40But we would spend

00:42:41any amount of money

00:42:42for a cheap gag.

00:42:43We tried this, didn't we,

00:42:44with and without John's voice.

00:42:47Yeah.

00:42:48It was a difficult decision

00:42:49because it's like,

00:42:50we need to know

00:42:51that he hasn't forgotten him.

00:42:52And that clearly Molly

00:42:53is not the same.

00:42:57That was a difficult thing.

00:42:58It was...

00:42:59She's obviously very clever,

00:43:00but there's something

00:43:02not right about the partnership.

00:43:03It was also...

00:43:03I remember you and me

00:43:05sitting in chatting

00:43:05about that section of the script

00:43:06thinking,

00:43:07the trouble is

00:43:07we're not seeing

00:43:08Charlotte and John together.

00:43:10We need that big of plot,

00:43:11but we're not seeing it together.

00:43:12So the intercutting moments

00:43:13are to sort of

00:43:15put the boys together

00:43:16even though they're not together.

00:43:17And to show the vacuum

00:43:18in the room, as it were.

00:43:21I won't insult...

00:43:22Yes, which is why, you know,

00:43:23why Doyle, I think,

00:43:24got him to forgive him

00:43:25straight away.

00:43:26Because otherwise

00:43:26there is a gap, isn't there?

00:43:28It's dressed in a shoddy

00:43:30Victorian outfit

00:43:30from a museum.

00:43:31It's been displayed

00:43:32on a dummy for many years

00:43:34in a case facing south.

00:43:35Do you think

00:43:36Mrs Hudson forgave him

00:43:36straight away?

00:43:38Of course.

00:43:40What's at the back

00:43:41of that unit?

00:43:42The whole thing

00:43:43is a fake.

00:43:45He's her boy.

00:43:47Well, there's a bachelor.

00:43:48Why did someone

00:43:49go to all that trouble?

00:43:50Why indeed, John?

00:43:51Sir is fine.

00:43:54Mum!

00:43:57Yes, ignore the snow.

00:43:59No, it's lovely.

00:44:00Real snow, that one.

00:44:01Yeah.

00:44:01Real snow.

00:44:06Oh, thanks for hanging on to it.

00:44:08He's the client

00:44:08who left this smelly hat earlier.

00:44:10Yes, you know,

00:44:11every time I watch this,

00:44:12and I've watched it,

00:44:13it's sad to say many, many times,

00:44:14I forget the hat comes back.

00:44:16The hat is actually in the plot.

00:44:18It's not just...

00:44:19Not just the throwaway.

00:44:20Yes.

00:44:20Sorry, do go on.

00:44:22He's been to Gallifrey's,

00:44:23wouldn't he?

00:44:24Yes.

00:44:25When you see that snow,

00:44:26you realise how long

00:44:27you shoot these series.

00:44:28Yes.

00:44:28Between that

00:44:29and that really sunny,

00:44:30hot day.

00:44:31When we shot Christmas,

00:44:32obviously.

00:44:33Everything was...

00:44:34Oh, my goodness, yes.

00:44:36Yeah, that was a long stretch,

00:44:37wasn't it?

00:44:38Now,

00:44:40this was a week ago.

00:44:42The last train on the...

00:44:43This part is sort of based

00:44:44on a Conan Doyle story,

00:44:45which isn't a Sherlock Holmes story,

00:44:47called The Lost Special.

00:44:48Well, indeed,

00:44:49it's sort of a Sherlock Holmes story.

00:44:50He refers to him,

00:44:51doesn't he?

00:44:52That a well-known detective

00:44:54has failed to solve it.

00:44:56I believe in the French collections

00:44:57of Sherlock Holmes,

00:44:58they include the two.

00:44:59Oh, I guess.

00:45:00The watches and the...

00:45:01The Lost Special.

00:45:03There's some trivia for you.

00:45:05For me.

00:45:07No, that's a real tube station.

00:45:09That's a real tube station.

00:45:11That was...

00:45:12The car is empty,

00:45:14it's the James's Park Station.

00:45:16The whole thing is born of my

00:45:18lifelong obsession with the tube,

00:45:20which I suppose comes from...

00:45:21Do you?

00:45:23The web of fear.

00:45:25It casts a long shadow, but...

00:45:26I've always loved it.

00:45:27And I remember,

00:45:28even as a child,

00:45:30the idea that there were

00:45:31lost stations just thrilled me.

00:45:33It still thrills me.

00:45:34But there are these sort of

00:45:35ghostly places that

00:45:37were never quite occupied

00:45:38or closed down.

00:45:40And the first time you go on a tube,

00:45:42the excitement.

00:45:43Straight run on the district line

00:45:44between the two...

00:45:45It was fascinating, actually,

00:45:46wasn't it,

00:45:46shooting at the disused stage?

00:45:48The old witch.

00:45:49The old witch.

00:45:49The old witch, stunning.

00:45:51I mean, you, you know,

00:45:52just leap down onto the rails

00:45:53and you think...

00:45:55Oh, my God!

00:45:56Once I checked the map.

00:45:57Yes.

00:45:58Several times.

00:46:00I know that face.

00:46:07I did quite a lot of research.

00:46:09When you started looking at

00:46:10the locations,

00:46:11doing a search there.

00:46:13Really, really,

00:46:14in the olden days,

00:46:15they had that system

00:46:16where they'd put you in

00:46:17sort of a capsule.

00:46:19Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:46:19And they'd get shot down

00:46:20the other end.

00:46:21They didn't turn out

00:46:22very well sometimes.

00:46:23There's a...

00:46:24Of course.

00:46:25You go to the London Transport Museum,

00:46:26there is one.

00:46:27It's like a padded cell.

00:46:29It's terrifying.

00:46:30And do you know

00:46:31there are six men

00:46:32every morning

00:46:32who go on

00:46:34the different stations

00:46:35to gather up the hair?

00:46:36Oh, yes.

00:46:37Because when people...

00:46:38Yeah.

00:46:39People go like that

00:46:40in the hair.

00:46:41Really?

00:46:41It's dragged up.

00:46:43They're two things.

00:46:44People go like...

00:46:46What do they do

00:46:47with the hair?

00:46:47They have to collect it.

00:46:49Because when people

00:46:50lean forward

00:46:51to watch the train

00:46:52coming up,

00:46:53their hair gets sucked.

00:46:54Right.

00:46:55Strands of hair

00:46:56get sucked up.

00:46:56Yeah.

00:46:57It's really dangerous

00:46:59for our lives.

00:47:02That was the public

00:47:03information from.

00:47:06Very frightened.

00:47:08A little gem

00:47:08for the morning.

00:47:10Don't you know

00:47:10there's a thousand people

00:47:11on the other side

00:47:12of the road.

00:47:17Yes, that's one

00:47:17of the oddities

00:47:18of shooting Sherlock

00:47:19now is that

00:47:19there's crash barriers

00:47:20and a huge number

00:47:23of people

00:47:23standing there.

00:47:25It's sort of like

00:47:26Sherlock is filmed

00:47:27before a live studio

00:47:28or...

00:47:30Ben and Martin

00:47:31both said...

00:47:32People are fantastic

00:47:34and so gracious

00:47:35but it's lucky

00:47:37really in a way

00:47:37that those

00:47:38Baker Street scenes

00:47:39tend to be

00:47:40sort of getting

00:47:40into cabs

00:47:41a couple of lines

00:47:42as opposed to

00:47:43any sort of big

00:47:44stuff.

00:47:44It's quite difficult.

00:47:47What, you mean

00:47:47like shitting

00:47:48how he survived?

00:47:50Oh, yeah.

00:47:50He didn't have to do

00:47:51that side, wouldn't he?

00:47:52Had anyone turned up

00:47:53to watch that?

00:47:54In the end, though,

00:47:55what was amazing

00:47:56about that was

00:47:56we had...

00:47:57Because we had

00:47:58so many red herrings,

00:48:00nobody knew

00:48:01what was real

00:48:02and there were

00:48:04crash mats

00:48:05for the actual stunt

00:48:06and there was

00:48:07a crash mat

00:48:07for the explanation

00:48:08etc.

00:48:09But also the papers

00:48:10played fair

00:48:12rather incredibly.

00:48:13Yes.

00:48:13I did love the paper

00:48:15that said

00:48:17the stunt's so dangerous

00:48:18they've had to use

00:48:19a dummy.

00:48:20Yeah.

00:48:21The paper played

00:48:22a bit, right?

00:48:24Yes, and

00:48:25my special use

00:48:27of science

00:48:27to make it look like

00:48:28Benedict Cumberbatch.

00:48:30Staple the photograph

00:48:31to the front of it

00:48:32is science.

00:48:33Extraordinary.

00:48:35He's got a dog

00:48:35where he knows

00:48:36that great bit of you

00:48:37and Andrew Scott.

00:48:41Oh, yes, we saw

00:48:41the next film.

00:48:42Did we film that?

00:48:43Yes, we should use that.

00:48:44We put that on, yes.

00:48:45We shot a fake scene

00:48:48where Mycroft

00:48:48and Moriarty

00:48:50come out of

00:48:51Bart's Hospital

00:48:51and shake hands

00:48:52and they're on the part.

00:48:53With Moriarty

00:48:54wearing the coat.

00:48:54And they said

00:48:55put Sherlock's coat on.

00:48:56Yes.

00:48:57And it had the desired effect.

00:48:59I remember

00:49:00when I was there

00:49:00that day

00:49:01and I saw Jeremy

00:49:02looked up

00:49:02slightly exasperated

00:49:03and says,

00:49:04can we shoot

00:49:04some of the actual show

00:49:05in that?

00:49:06Yeah.

00:49:06But then he tried

00:49:07to put it in the episode.

00:49:08Yes.

00:49:08And he said,

00:49:09no, it's not actually.

00:49:10It didn't actually happen.

00:49:12That's very lovely.

00:49:13It's just my time.

00:49:15Louie, she sort of

00:49:17gets it.

00:49:19But we've talked

00:49:20haven't we a lot

00:49:21about that Sherlock

00:49:22needs to actually

00:49:23develop as a character.

00:49:25And he is genuinely

00:49:26grateful for her help.

00:49:28Yes.

00:49:29Right back to Reichenbach

00:49:30when he says,

00:49:31you know,

00:49:32I need you.

00:49:33Mm.

00:49:33That he knew

00:49:34that she was crucial

00:49:35to his faking it.

00:49:36And he doesn't forget her

00:49:38the way he can

00:49:39with other people.

00:49:40No, she's one of the

00:49:41small number of people

00:49:42that he actually

00:49:43She trusts.

00:49:44And sort of cares about

00:49:45his terrible glacial way.

00:49:49I remember reading this

00:49:50for the first time

00:49:51as he was waking up

00:49:52and said,

00:49:53it's the creepiest idea.

00:49:55I remember the day

00:49:56I had the idea.

00:49:57And it was,

00:49:57I thought,

00:49:58oh, that's good.

00:49:59I hope that hasn't

00:50:00been done before.

00:50:01What's that?

00:50:02Oh, that's immediately

00:50:03what I thought

00:50:03in this reading.

00:50:04It was please say

00:50:05this is a first.

00:50:05Please say this is a first.

00:50:07Because it's such a,

00:50:08it's such a...

00:50:08And didn't it turn out

00:50:09that Jeremy had actually

00:50:10hidden inside a bonfire

00:50:12when he was a kid?

00:50:13Jeremy, Jeremy said,

00:50:14have I told you that?

00:50:16Jeremy Lovering,

00:50:16the director,

00:50:17when he was a child,

00:50:19crept inside a bonfire

00:50:20like a hedgehog

00:50:21and was rescued

00:50:22at the last minute.

00:50:23It's quite spooky.

00:50:24Yeah, it is.

00:50:25I think someone's got...

00:50:26Someone had done it before,

00:50:27but for real.

00:50:28For real, yeah.

00:50:29For you!

00:50:30Oh, I miss fiance.

00:50:32Another hint.

00:50:32I love that.

00:50:33I love the fact that

00:50:34it's like,

00:50:35what's going on?

00:50:35Oh, how lovely.

00:50:38Another hint

00:50:38that she's not.

00:50:39Oh, she's not.

00:50:40It's a skip code.

00:50:41And he does register

00:50:42for a second.

00:50:43He does.

00:50:44And then he gets

00:50:45distracted by the fact

00:50:45that John's a child.

00:50:46John Watson.

00:50:52Now.

00:50:54Action.

00:50:54Yes, well,

00:50:55I said action

00:50:56on the word for...

00:50:57Chips.

00:50:57Just in the moment

00:50:58where chips fell on the floor.

00:50:59What is it called?

00:50:59Chip fall?

00:51:00A chip fall.

00:51:01A sky fall.

00:51:03Only with chips.

00:51:07I saw somebody

00:51:08in Piccadilly

00:51:10dressed like

00:51:11Sherlock Barcoats.

00:51:12He'd obviously

00:51:12had it copied.

00:51:13Really?

00:51:14The hair was

00:51:14obviously dyed black.

00:51:16It was Benedict.

00:51:17No, he can't help it.

00:51:18Do you recognise me now?

00:51:19That's me.

00:51:20It's me.

00:51:20I could probably

00:51:21do an induction

00:51:22in a minute

00:51:22if you ask me.

00:51:23We did have...

00:51:24Now, this is...

00:51:25It's an interesting thing.

00:51:26You know,

00:51:27you come back

00:51:28for three weeks.

00:51:29And this time

00:51:30it was even shorter

00:51:31because it was

00:51:32New Year's Day

00:51:32and then the following Sunday.

00:51:33We weren't really around

00:51:34very long

00:51:34but it's very interesting

00:51:35even within that time

00:51:37to see how people

00:51:39are speculating

00:51:39in the reviews.

00:51:41And this worked

00:51:42in that people

00:51:43were going,

00:51:44well, they didn't even

00:51:45explain who put him

00:51:47in the bonfire.

00:51:48But, well,

00:51:49we're about to.

00:51:50Yes, yes.

00:51:51But actually,

00:51:51that was kind of

00:51:52quite an exciting thing

00:51:53that this is actually

00:51:54totally separate

00:51:55to the rest of it.

00:51:56Yeah.

00:51:57It's part of our

00:51:58ongoing story

00:51:58with Magnus.

00:51:59It's so nice

00:52:00when people say

00:52:00things like that

00:52:01because there's

00:52:01a big scene

00:52:02at the end of this

00:52:03where we put

00:52:03a big marker on

00:52:04and say,

00:52:05that's not explained.

00:52:06Yeah.

00:52:06Surely you know

00:52:07we're going to come back to it.

00:52:08It is a mystery mark.

00:52:10But some people don't.

00:52:12Don't they?

00:52:16This was

00:52:16sort of Bristol,

00:52:17wasn't it?

00:52:18Yeah.

00:52:18That's well.

00:52:26Brilliant.

00:52:30That shot of that

00:52:31little girl there.

00:52:32Because we lost

00:52:33the kids.

00:52:34Yeah, yeah.

00:52:35It was time,

00:52:35wasn't it?

00:52:36That was the wood,

00:52:37that was the dress.

00:52:38Oh.

00:52:39Little 11 there.

00:52:41Ha ha ha.

00:52:43And then all these,

00:52:45all the interiors of the bonfire

00:52:46were shot

00:52:46at the boat

00:52:48in the studio.

00:52:48And it was constructed

00:52:50like a sort of

00:52:51wigwam of pine trees,

00:52:53wasn't it?

00:52:53Yeah.

00:52:53Going close.

00:52:56That's horrible.

00:52:57It's a bit like

00:52:58that thing when you

00:52:59have a sort of

00:52:59waking nightmare

00:53:00and you can't,

00:53:01you can't speak.

00:53:03Ha ha.

00:53:07And there's some good

00:53:08hero shots.

00:53:09Ha ha.

00:53:10Oh, yes.

00:53:12Actually,

00:53:13actually leaping in

00:53:14and throwing

00:53:14the room

00:53:15burning logs out.

00:53:17No.

00:53:18It's not going to work.

00:53:19Bit of a debate

00:53:21about throwing petrol

00:53:21on the fire,

00:53:22didn't we?

00:53:23Yeah.

00:53:23Yes, it's not.

00:53:24It's not encouraged.

00:53:26It's not petrol.

00:53:27It's just something.

00:53:28It's just an accelerant.

00:53:30Yeah.

00:53:30Ha ha.

00:53:31Ha ha.

00:53:33Ha ha.

00:53:34I love that face.

00:53:34Yeah.

00:53:35I do too.

00:53:36Oh, there's a serious,

00:53:38yeah.

00:53:39Ha ha ha.

00:53:41It's a Scandinavian.

00:53:42Oh, yeah.

00:53:43A little nod

00:53:44to the Scandinavian.

00:53:45Ha ha ha.

00:53:47Ha ha.

00:53:48There's more

00:53:48of that to come.

00:53:49Yes.

00:53:50It's considerable

00:53:50Scandi nod,

00:53:51I mean.

00:53:52Ha ha ha.

00:53:53Ha ha ha.

00:53:53I like it.

00:53:54Stay back.

00:53:54Sorry.

00:53:55This is a nightmare

00:53:57that a lot of people

00:53:57have that they can't see.

00:53:59They can't voice.

00:54:00Oh, yeah.

00:54:01Yeah.

00:54:02Ha ha ha.

00:54:07He's an idiot.

00:54:08He's just...

00:54:08That's what Zoe's

00:54:09trying to tell him.

00:54:10Dad.

00:54:10Dad, that's water.

00:54:11You put water

00:54:12on the fire.

00:54:13That doesn't work.

00:54:19What does it mean?

00:54:26It's very alarming.

00:54:28Oh, my gosh.

00:54:29I'm suddenly wondering

00:54:30if that's the same square

00:54:32we shot Doctor Who,

00:54:33the snowman,

00:54:34it could be.

00:54:35Is that Bristol?

00:54:36I think we went to Bristol

00:54:37for that,

00:54:37and that's where the,

00:54:38I think,

00:54:38where the Doctor

00:54:39parked his TARDIS

00:54:40above and far off

00:54:41was a marketer.

00:54:41That's how he got out of this.

00:54:42Yes.

00:54:43Oh, my gosh.

00:54:46Jump off!

00:54:50Move!

00:54:55Move!

00:54:56Move!

00:54:58Move!

00:54:59John!

00:55:00John!

00:55:01John!

00:55:02John!

00:55:03John!

00:55:04And Amanda's scream

00:55:05there.

00:55:06There's this really

00:55:06ragged,

00:55:07desperate edge

00:55:08that's quite scary

00:55:09to hear.

00:55:09It's her husband.

00:55:10Yes.

00:55:11And he was in there.

00:55:12Yeah.

00:55:13But why not?

00:55:27John!

00:55:28John!

00:55:30John!

00:55:32John!

00:55:33I know I shouldn't say this,

00:55:34but he's terribly good,

00:55:36this, isn't he?

00:55:37I know.

00:55:38I apologise.

00:55:40I've been thinking.

00:55:44That's not the same shot

00:55:45as, um,

00:55:49Scandal, is it?

00:55:50No, no,

00:55:50it's definitely,

00:55:51but it's pretty similar.

00:55:51It's very similar.

00:55:53Now, this is our first

00:55:54real departure

00:55:55from the canon.

00:55:57It is.

00:55:58The heretical notion

00:55:59of actually showing

00:56:00Mr and Mrs.

00:56:01Oh, yeah.

00:56:03And by happy chance,

00:56:04the exact genetic combination

00:56:06that resulted in

00:56:07Benedict Cumberbatch

00:56:09is sitting on the sofa

00:56:10right there.

00:56:11Mysteriously,

00:56:11the genetic combination

00:56:12resulted in me.

00:56:14Yes.

00:56:15I was watching something

00:56:16the other day

00:56:16where it was a father

00:56:18and son

00:56:18and a sister

00:56:19and I thought,

00:56:21absolutely nothing

00:56:22like each other.

00:56:23We just,

00:56:23it's a convention

00:56:24we have to accept,

00:56:25isn't it?

00:56:25Yeah, definitely.

00:56:27They were brilliant.

00:56:29They were lovely.

00:56:30Tim and Wanda,

00:56:31and they were so thrilled

00:56:32to do it.

00:56:34No, no,

00:56:34have you got a case?

00:56:34Not a case,

00:56:35no, no, no.

00:56:35Yeah, well,

00:56:36we're here on Saturday,

00:56:37remember?

00:56:37Yes, great, wonderful.

00:56:37Just get out.

00:56:38Give us a ring.

00:56:39Yes, good.

00:56:39Get out.

00:56:41I can't tell you

00:56:42how glad we are, Sherlock.

00:56:44All that time,

00:56:44people thinking the worst of you.

00:56:46But you're so pleased

00:56:47it's all over.

00:56:47Ring up more often,

00:56:49won't you?

00:56:50She worries.

00:56:52Promise.

00:56:54Promise.

00:56:55Oh, for God.

00:56:59Sorry about that.

00:57:00No, it's fine.

00:57:01Clients?

00:57:02Just my parents.

00:57:04Your parents?

00:57:05In town for a few days.

00:57:06Your parents?

00:57:07My car promised to take them

00:57:07to a matinee of the

00:57:08Les Mis

00:57:08trying to talk me

00:57:09into doing it.

00:57:10Those were your parents?

00:57:12Yes.

00:57:13Well,

00:57:16that is not

00:57:17what I...

00:57:18What?

00:57:20I mean,

00:57:21they're just

00:57:22so

00:57:26ordinary.

00:57:28It's a cross

00:57:29I have to bear.

00:57:37Did they know too?

00:57:39We wanted to keep

00:57:39his parents' secret

00:57:40and we didn't actually

00:57:41give them a credit

00:57:42on this show at all.

00:57:44Maybe.

00:57:45So that's why

00:57:46they weren't at the funeral.

00:57:47Sorry, sorry.

00:57:47I think luckily people

00:57:48would probably just

00:57:49assume they were visiting

00:57:50but it was great

00:57:51to keep it.

00:57:52I love you a bit of

00:57:53plot housekeeping there

00:57:55by the way.

00:57:56So that's where

00:57:57they went at the funeral.

00:57:57Yes, quite.

00:57:58Just so good.

00:57:59So good.

00:58:00You have to...

00:58:01These questions

00:58:02do beg themselves.

00:58:04I know.

00:58:04It's terrible

00:58:05though when you realise

00:58:06how do you create

00:58:07a moment

00:58:08to realise

00:58:09for someone

00:58:09to say that out loud

00:58:10and that's such a good

00:58:12one.

00:58:12Does that make sense?

00:58:14Yeah, not bad.

00:58:14I mean, I imagine

00:58:15you spent a good

00:58:16week thinking

00:58:18and they get

00:58:18boiling it down.

00:58:19Yeah.

00:58:21Last night...

00:58:22So, Una, tell me

00:58:23because we don't get

00:58:24this opportunity

00:58:24very much

00:58:25but about

00:58:26when you first

00:58:28became Mrs. Hudson

00:58:29what were your

00:58:31thoughts about

00:58:32taking on...

00:58:33I don't know.

00:58:33I can't see the pattern.

00:58:34It's too nebulous.

00:58:36Why would an agent

00:58:36Well, I just felt

00:58:38so lucky.

00:58:39Really, really lucky.

00:58:40And I remember

00:58:41the first day

00:58:42that I was involved

00:58:43in any shooting

00:58:45I, er...

00:58:46Oh, my goodness.

00:58:48Can I explain

00:58:48up here?

00:58:49Rats?

00:58:50They're so brilliant.

00:58:51They're so brilliant.

00:58:52They might find

00:58:52themselves arrested

00:58:53on diplomatic immunity

00:58:54sometimes.

00:58:54But when we did

00:58:55the pilot

00:58:55you kept thinking

00:58:56oh, they'll probably

00:58:57recast me anyway

00:58:58if she said that.

00:58:59Yeah, saying that.

00:58:59Yeah.

00:59:01I couldn't believe

00:59:02I was involved.

00:59:03I mean, we tried.

00:59:06But you just kept

00:59:07turning up every day.

00:59:08What did we do?

00:59:09But did you...

00:59:10You know, obviously

00:59:11you were aware

00:59:11of this

00:59:12Sherlock Holmes before

00:59:13but did you come to it

00:59:14with any sort of

00:59:14preconceived ideas?

00:59:16Yes.

00:59:18I've obviously

00:59:18seen her played

00:59:19many times before

00:59:20in other productions

00:59:21and I just thought

00:59:23for a modern angle

00:59:25I'd be like a mum.

00:59:27Absolutely.

00:59:28That's the only thing

00:59:29I thought of

00:59:30and they're very easy

00:59:31to love, both of them.

00:59:33I think we did

00:59:33talk to me that

00:59:34usually she's such a

00:59:36Mrs Pepperpot

00:59:37kind of figure

00:59:37with a grey bun

00:59:38and everything

00:59:39and they're usually

00:59:40so much older

00:59:40that it's not

00:59:42that sort of relationship

00:59:42but as soon as

00:59:43they become young men

00:59:44again

00:59:44it's a natural...

00:59:46Normally Mrs Hudson's

00:59:47is about the same age

00:59:48as Sherlock Holmes

00:59:49which is quite different

00:59:50but yes, yes

00:59:51she's going to be

00:59:52brilliant.

00:59:53I always hope

00:59:53when they shoot

00:59:54in the kitchen

00:59:55my kitchen

00:59:56Mrs Hudson's kitchen

00:59:57that they'll have

00:59:59my kitchen

01:00:00that they'll have

01:00:01a row of his

01:00:02beautifully laundered

01:00:03shirts that I've done

01:00:04that she complains

01:00:07about doing

01:00:07but wouldn't miss

01:00:08Do you know

01:00:09what I always forget

01:00:10is that

01:00:11now that we've done

01:00:13this for a while

01:00:13I sort of think

01:00:14Mrs Hudson

01:00:14in my head

01:00:15is a big part

01:00:16of the original story

01:00:17she's barely mentioned

01:00:19and she only speaks

01:00:20in one story

01:00:21and then he gets

01:00:22her name wrong

01:00:23in another one

01:00:24I loved it in

01:00:26Scandal

01:00:28wasn't it your idea

01:00:28wasn't it

01:00:29when he just goes

01:00:29to the fridge

01:00:30and helps himself

01:00:31to finish

01:00:33I told him

01:00:34that when my sons

01:00:35visit me

01:00:36they go straight

01:00:37before a hug

01:00:38because

01:00:40I thought

01:00:41the two details

01:00:42I loved

01:00:42when he arrives

01:00:43in Scandal

01:00:43and it's not

01:00:44scripted at all

01:00:45is that he

01:00:45does his feet

01:00:46he wipes his feet

01:00:47on the mat

01:00:48because he's been

01:00:48told to clearly

01:00:49he doesn't even

01:00:50know he's doing it

01:00:50he's trying to be

01:00:51dramatic

01:00:51but nonetheless

01:00:52straight to the

01:00:54fridge

01:00:54next week

01:00:55and I make no comment

01:01:05now annoyingly

01:01:06there is a

01:01:07Sumatra road

01:01:08but it's in

01:01:11West Hamster

01:01:13there isn't one

01:01:13in Westminster

01:01:14but it was

01:01:15just two

01:01:15yeah

01:01:16you couldn't

01:01:17but also

01:01:17there can be

01:01:18north of

01:01:18the street

01:01:19and the rest

01:01:20of it also

01:01:21is made up

01:01:21yeah

01:01:22some of this

01:01:23is fictional

01:01:24continue me

01:01:25I'm not even

01:01:26sure that's

01:01:26Baker Street

01:01:30yes you always

01:01:31hear knowing

01:01:32taxi drivers

01:01:33saying of course

01:01:33it's not

01:01:33Baker Street

01:01:34they use

01:01:34is it

01:01:36it's like we

01:01:37made a mistake

01:01:37yes

01:01:38oh no look

01:01:39I just noticed

01:01:40in fact we

01:01:41definitely did

01:01:41I don't know

01:01:42that tax would

01:01:43be very pleased

01:01:43if we did

01:01:43use Baker Street

01:01:48this is

01:01:49I also came

01:01:50about

01:01:50because

01:01:50in my

01:01:52endless

01:01:52fascination

01:01:53with lost

01:01:54tube stations

01:01:54there is

01:01:55one

01:01:56called

01:01:57Bull and

01:01:57Bush

01:01:58in

01:01:58Hampstead

01:01:59which was

01:02:00never actually

01:02:01finished

01:02:02never opened

01:02:03they built

01:02:04the platforms

01:02:04and everything

01:02:05the platforms

01:02:08and everything

01:02:09but they're

01:02:09no surface

01:02:10building

01:02:10so that's

01:02:11what inspired

01:02:12this one

01:02:12the reason

01:02:13that he makes

01:02:14the mistake

01:02:14he thinks

01:02:15there isn't

01:02:16anything there

01:02:16but there is

01:02:17but it's actually

01:02:17it was never

01:02:18officially a station

01:02:19so I sort of

01:02:19appropriate over here

01:02:23could be a documentary

01:02:24could this

01:02:25about all the

01:02:25underground stations

01:02:26all the tunnels

01:02:27let's give that

01:02:28to America

01:02:30now Mark Gatiss

01:02:31and I

01:02:32met outside

01:02:33that tube station

01:02:34once

01:02:34when Mark

01:02:35was on his way

01:02:36to address

01:02:37the Charlotte

01:02:37Colm Society

01:02:38in the House

01:02:39of Commons

01:02:40and I was

01:02:40his date

01:02:41and Mark's

01:02:43subject was

01:02:43this

01:02:45essentially

01:02:46the bulk

01:02:46of the speech

01:02:47was

01:02:49our pitch

01:02:50really

01:02:50what we'd

01:02:51come up with

01:02:51in the past

01:02:53few train journeys

01:02:54about the idea

01:02:56of bringing

01:02:57Charlotte Colm

01:02:58up to date

01:02:59and

01:03:00with a few

01:03:01gags in

01:03:03but

01:03:05and we were

01:03:06very very

01:03:07pleased

01:03:08the response

01:03:09it wasn't

01:03:09I mean it wasn't

01:03:10actually a thing

01:03:11where we went

01:03:11away thinking

01:03:12right we've got

01:03:12to do that

01:03:13but it was

01:03:14very instructive

01:03:15wasn't it

01:03:15because you'd

01:03:16imagine that

01:03:17the Charlotte Colm

01:03:18Society would be

01:03:19just incredibly

01:03:21conservative about

01:03:22it all

01:03:22but they loved

01:03:23the idea

01:03:24really loved it

01:03:25and then about

01:03:26four years later

01:03:27we finally got

01:03:27around to doing it

01:03:29and then we went

01:03:30back

01:03:31and I did

01:03:32the speech

01:03:32and that was

01:03:33just the night

01:03:34before Reichenbach

01:03:35wasn't it

01:03:35that's right

01:03:36yeah

01:03:37and

01:03:38and they were

01:03:39just

01:03:39you know

01:03:40you would

01:03:41as you say

01:03:41assume this is

01:03:42the diehards

01:03:42the fundamentalists

01:03:43anything

01:03:44but they were

01:03:45really into

01:03:46the idea

01:03:46of an

01:03:47updated

01:03:47seriously

01:03:49behind it

01:03:50it was

01:03:51surprising to me

01:03:52I thought that

01:03:53was really

01:03:53surprising

01:03:55the way

01:03:55people took it

01:03:57embrace it

01:03:57yes

01:03:57I think

01:03:58I think

01:03:59particularly with

01:03:59Sherlock Holmes

01:04:01fans that

01:04:01there have been

01:04:02so many versions

01:04:03that they actually

01:04:04they always embrace

01:04:05a new thing

01:04:06I think they're just

01:04:07very keen that

01:04:07it stays alive

01:04:09and actually

01:04:10this is

01:04:11this is

01:04:12you know

01:04:13it's shocked us all

01:04:14how amazingly

01:04:15popular it's been

01:04:17but it's about

01:04:18kind of keeping

01:04:19that whole flame alive

01:04:20this is

01:04:20pretend

01:04:21this is

01:04:22wow

01:04:23a bit yes

01:04:23wow

01:04:25oh well

01:04:27fantastic

01:04:29I remember

01:04:30watching this

01:04:30oh

01:04:31oh me too

01:04:32this is the most

01:04:33exciting thing

01:04:34to blow thousands

01:04:35of hearts

01:04:39I remember

01:04:40oh blimey

01:04:41that's good

01:04:42I went in to see

01:04:43some Doctor Who

01:04:44special effects

01:04:45and milk

01:04:46and they said

01:04:47do you want to see

01:04:47this this is what

01:04:48they were doing

01:04:48for Sherlock

01:04:49I saw

01:04:49on a big screen

01:04:51I saw

01:04:53so thrilling

01:04:54isn't it live

01:04:55perfectly safe

01:04:56as long as we

01:04:57avoid touching the rails

01:04:58of course

01:04:59yeah

01:04:59this is a very odd day

01:05:01wasn't it

01:05:01I mean it was

01:05:01for me

01:05:02I was

01:05:02I was in heaven

01:05:03going on a tube station

01:05:05but to actually

01:05:05walk down there

01:05:07towards the tube

01:05:09it was so spooky

01:05:10it was so spooky

01:05:10and you could hear

01:05:11distantly

01:05:12live tubes

01:05:13on neighbouring tunnels

01:05:15and stuff

01:05:15yes

01:05:16if you keep going

01:05:16down the end

01:05:17you end up

01:05:17you can see the luck

01:05:18hoping or something

01:05:19or something like that

01:05:20but yeah

01:05:22quite creepy

01:05:23quite tricky

01:05:24for Jeremy

01:05:24because he had

01:05:26a crucial

01:05:27it was his crucial

01:05:27leg

01:05:28oh god

01:05:30so he had

01:05:32braces

01:05:32and all kinds

01:05:33of things

01:05:33on his knee

01:05:34and of course

01:05:34there's no lift down

01:05:35you can walk down

01:05:36all the way

01:05:37skiing

01:05:37never a good idea

01:05:39so this is a real train

01:05:41which they

01:05:41plonked there

01:05:42for us

01:05:42and once we get inside

01:05:44this is our

01:05:45well's

01:05:46set

01:05:47which is of course

01:05:48we'll never win

01:05:49any awards

01:05:50because people

01:05:50just assume

01:05:51it's real

01:05:51it's absolutely

01:05:52amazing

01:05:58John helpfully

01:05:59illuminating

01:05:59Sherlock's back

01:06:01he did that

01:06:02he said

01:06:03I've got your back

01:06:03yes

01:06:07this is set

01:06:08yeah

01:06:08it's not real

01:06:12he's got a future

01:06:13making trains

01:06:14that boy

01:06:15so all he's

01:06:16in front of the do

01:06:22which when we'd

01:06:22finished it

01:06:23we talked

01:06:24it with the

01:06:25the explosion

01:06:26thing that you've

01:06:26just seen

01:06:27they actually

01:06:27sent a fireball

01:06:28through

01:06:30and was this

01:06:32in Cardin

01:06:32yeah

01:06:33yeah

01:06:33it's in the studio

01:06:40it's actually

01:06:41how big the studio

01:06:41is

01:06:42it was

01:06:45back to it

01:06:46so what

01:06:46what's that

01:06:47we bought

01:06:47now

01:06:47it's just

01:06:48a warehouse

01:06:49it's a shame

01:06:51I remember

01:06:52in the first

01:06:53first draft

01:06:54this was going

01:06:55it was going

01:06:56to be an old

01:06:56atomic bomb

01:06:57it was like a

01:06:58Soviet era bomb

01:06:59that had been

01:06:59smuggled down there

01:07:00this is the bomb

01:07:01a long time ago

01:07:03then

01:07:04it was like

01:07:05well

01:07:06let's not carry

01:07:07what if it was

01:07:07carriage itself

01:07:08rather than it being

01:07:10because they

01:07:10quite hard to

01:07:11smuggle in

01:07:12there

01:07:12yeah

01:07:13there's a great

01:07:14there's a great

01:07:15line in a great

01:07:16moment

01:07:16we couldn't make it

01:07:17make any sense

01:07:24very good

01:07:25that guy

01:07:30I shot those

01:07:32bits

01:07:32incidentally

01:07:34on the bed

01:07:34on the bomb

01:07:35on the suit

01:07:36kiss

01:07:42I remember

01:07:43having to do

01:07:43some ADR

01:07:44before

01:07:46Sherlock had

01:07:46ever opened

01:07:48and the editor

01:07:49said to me

01:07:50do you want

01:07:50to see a bit

01:07:51I said oh yes

01:07:52please

01:07:53he said

01:07:53just a minute

01:07:54you're going to

01:07:55see a television

01:07:55like you've never

01:07:56seen before

01:07:58yes

01:07:58and so I saw

01:07:59a bit

01:07:59I remember

01:08:00then I was

01:08:00doing another

01:08:01job

01:08:01and I went

01:08:02back to work

01:08:02thinking

01:08:02oh my goodness

01:08:04I've seen

01:08:05this time

01:08:05so what do we

01:08:06do

01:08:06that's nice

01:08:07that's nice

01:08:07to hear

01:08:07and he was

01:08:08right

01:08:09I have no

01:08:10idea

01:08:11we'll think

01:08:11of something

01:08:12why do you

01:08:13think I know

01:08:13what to do

01:08:14because you're

01:08:15Sherlock Holmes

01:08:15this is where

01:08:18John's exasperation

01:08:19with Sherlock

01:08:19actually

01:08:20it's the brick wall

01:08:21well you must

01:08:22know

01:08:22yeah

01:08:25can't we

01:08:26rip their timer

01:08:27off or something

01:08:28that would set it

01:08:29off

01:08:29you see you

01:08:29know things

01:08:32grasping at

01:08:32straws

01:08:33this moment

01:08:34mysteriously

01:08:34Sherlock Holmes

01:08:35managed to get

01:08:36forgiven for

01:08:36being a jerk

01:08:37by being an

01:08:38even bigger jerk

01:08:40which is

01:08:41somehow logical

01:08:42somehow works

01:08:45I think

01:08:46you know

01:08:46it's a

01:08:47it's a lesson

01:08:47you're going to

01:08:48tell a lie

01:08:49tell a whopper

01:08:50it's actually

01:08:51the best way

01:08:52out of it

01:08:52in a way

01:08:55it's more or

01:08:55less saying

01:08:56isn't it

01:08:56like I am a

01:08:57jerk

01:08:57you know I am

01:08:58how was that

01:08:59news to you

01:09:00except it

01:09:02this was

01:09:02inspired by

01:09:03I used to

01:09:04have a recurring

01:09:04dream

01:09:06where my dad

01:09:08was driving me

01:09:09round hairpin

01:09:10bends

01:09:10like the south

01:09:11of France

01:09:12I don't know

01:09:12where we've ever

01:09:12been but it

01:09:13was like in

01:09:14the film

01:09:14really those

01:09:15terrifying

01:09:15things

01:09:15Grace Kelly

01:09:17to catch a

01:09:18thief

01:09:18and I would

01:09:19say slow

01:09:20down

01:09:20and eventually

01:09:21he just took

01:09:22a sharp corner

01:09:23and the car

01:09:24just went

01:09:24through a barrier

01:09:25like that

01:09:26boom

01:09:26and as we

01:09:27sailed into

01:09:28the sea

01:09:28he just went

01:09:30this is it

01:09:30son

01:09:31and I used

01:09:31to wake up

01:09:32it terrify me

01:09:34the inspiration

01:09:35for this was

01:09:35of John

01:09:36actually going

01:09:36oh this is

01:09:38it

01:09:38what do you

01:09:39do in that

01:09:39moment

01:09:40when you

01:09:40know there's

01:09:41no way

01:09:41out

01:09:43who hopefully

01:09:44I shall

01:09:44come with you

01:09:50but this is

01:09:51actually even

01:09:51nastier than

01:09:52what he's

01:09:52just done

01:09:53oh it's

01:09:53forward

01:09:55oh my god

01:09:58as a piece

01:09:59of behaviour

01:09:59it's inexcusable

01:10:00but I think

01:10:01I think that

01:10:02the logic of it

01:10:03in a way

01:10:03or the emotional

01:10:04logic is

01:10:04I'm like this

01:10:05why do you

01:10:07expect me to be

01:10:08different

01:10:09oh god

01:10:10and true to

01:10:11the original

01:10:11Sherlock Holmes

01:10:12who was

01:10:12simply

01:10:13would do

01:10:14that kind

01:10:14of thing

01:10:14wouldn't he

01:10:15just wants

01:10:15his name

01:10:15with the

01:10:15drama

01:10:16yeah

01:10:16I mean

01:10:17that's a

01:10:18it's not

01:10:19commented on

01:10:20enough

01:10:20the amount

01:10:21of people

01:10:21who say

01:10:22well

01:10:23Lestrade is

01:10:24always saying

01:10:24you'd have

01:10:25made an actor

01:10:25and a rare

01:10:26one

01:10:26and all those

01:10:26things

01:10:27but he just

01:10:27loves the

01:10:28dramatic

01:10:29he'll do

01:10:29anything

01:10:30for him

01:10:31theatrical

01:10:31flourish

01:10:31at the

01:10:32end

01:10:32of a

01:10:32case

01:10:33quite

01:10:34unnecessarily

01:10:34he will

01:10:35lie

01:10:35he'll withhold

01:10:36information

01:10:36just so he

01:10:37looks good

01:10:37yeah

01:10:38of course

01:10:39you

01:10:39learn

01:10:40Sherlock

01:10:40this is

01:10:41not this

01:10:48time

01:10:48it's just

01:10:49to make

01:10:49you look

01:10:49good

01:10:50even though

01:10:50you

01:10:50I remember

01:10:51when I

01:10:51again

01:10:51when I

01:10:51first

01:10:52read this

01:10:52because you

01:10:53didn't tell

01:10:53me what

01:10:53you were

01:10:54going to

01:10:54do

01:10:54with the

01:10:55actual

01:10:55reveal

01:10:56when

01:10:56you were

01:10:56going to

01:10:57place

01:10:57it

01:10:58in the

01:10:58screen

01:10:58and I

01:10:59remember

01:10:59that is

01:11:00the perfect

01:11:01place

01:11:01just when

01:11:04you're so

01:11:04totally

01:11:05involved

01:11:05in the

01:11:06main

01:11:06plot

01:11:06you've

01:11:07actually

01:11:07forgotten

01:11:07that we

01:11:08haven't

01:11:08done

01:11:08the

01:11:09answer

01:11:09thank you

01:11:10but it

01:11:11was

01:11:11it was

01:11:11it's one

01:11:12of those

01:11:12moments

01:11:13you just

01:11:13go

01:11:14well what

01:11:15we hoped

01:11:15from the

01:11:16beginning

01:11:16was that

01:11:16people would

01:11:17get so

01:11:18involved

01:11:18they'd

01:11:18actually

01:11:18forget

01:11:19no one

01:11:19had told

01:11:20them

01:11:20the

01:11:20truth

01:11:20and then

01:11:21suddenly

01:11:21out of

01:11:22the

01:11:22whiteout

01:11:22here

01:11:23go

01:11:24oh

01:11:24it doesn't

01:11:25matter

01:11:25anymore

01:11:26I hope

01:11:28but yeah

01:11:29I really

01:11:29remember

01:11:30thinking

01:11:30now it

01:11:31now it

01:11:31comes

01:11:32I find it

01:11:33difficult

01:11:33this sort

01:11:34of stuff

01:11:34it's wonderful

01:11:35how people

01:11:36accept the

01:11:37long gaps

01:11:37in between

01:11:38episodes

01:11:39well yes

01:11:40isn't it

01:11:41then I

01:11:42enjoy it

01:11:45you try

01:11:46and make

01:11:46it shorter

01:11:46never seems

01:11:47to happen

01:11:47yeah

01:11:48I mean

01:11:49they could

01:11:50dwindle

01:11:50in size

01:11:51you know

01:11:52but they're

01:11:53not

01:11:53I think

01:11:54you know

01:11:55having sort

01:11:56of stumbled

01:11:57upon the

01:11:57former

01:11:59people accept

01:12:00it

01:12:00it's going

01:12:00to come

01:12:01along

01:12:01I think

01:12:02we can

01:12:02also know

01:12:03that had

01:12:04we gone

01:12:04the conventional

01:12:05route

01:12:05the show

01:12:06would be

01:12:06over by

01:12:06now

01:12:07because

01:12:08there's

01:12:08absolutely

01:12:08no longer

01:12:11runs

01:12:11yeah

01:12:13something

01:12:14that is

01:12:15always

01:12:15an event

01:12:15and you

01:12:16know

01:12:16happens

01:12:17two years

01:12:18or a few

01:12:20months

01:12:20is

01:12:21conceivable

01:12:22by accident

01:12:24by mischance

01:12:26a couple

01:12:26of international

01:12:27movie stars

01:12:28I do

01:12:33think as

01:12:33well

01:12:34it is

01:12:35almost

01:12:36the perfect

01:12:37job

01:12:37because

01:12:39Martin

01:12:40and Ben

01:12:40can both

01:12:41come back

01:12:42to the

01:12:42thing

01:12:43that people

01:12:43love them

01:12:43the most

01:12:44for

01:12:44and do

01:12:45all sorts

01:12:45of other

01:12:45stuff

01:12:46in between

01:12:48just keep

01:12:49telling them

01:12:49that

01:12:50it's a nice

01:12:51thing

01:12:51every time

01:12:52it shows

01:12:52up as an

01:12:52event

01:12:53it doesn't

01:12:53really

01:12:54wear out

01:12:54yeah

01:12:55if you

01:12:55were doing

01:12:5630

01:12:56it would

01:12:57wear out

01:12:57it's a

01:12:58beautiful

01:12:59cup of tea

01:12:59I know

01:13:00so thin

01:13:04well he's

01:13:05not going to

01:13:05react well

01:13:06to it

01:13:07she knows

01:13:08she's on

01:13:08to him

01:13:10I've seen

01:13:11that damn

01:13:11damned if I'm

01:13:12giving him

01:13:12good

01:13:12I suppose

01:13:17that was

01:13:18obvious

01:13:18given our

01:13:18first

01:13:18his death

01:13:21wish

01:13:22how many

01:13:22times you

01:13:23had to

01:13:23kill

01:13:23Andrew

01:13:23Scott

01:13:24to keep

01:13:24that

01:13:24show

01:13:24I don't

01:13:25know

01:13:25how has

01:13:26he done

01:13:26another

01:13:27film star

01:13:28yes

01:13:28indeed

01:13:30well they

01:13:31might have

01:13:31paid me

01:13:31as for

01:13:32this

01:13:32and the

01:13:33joy he

01:13:33takes

01:13:34in it

01:13:34and you

01:13:34look

01:13:34actually

01:13:35he's not

01:13:35big on

01:13:35screen

01:13:36that much

01:13:37it's

01:13:37the perfect

01:13:38example

01:13:38it's like

01:13:40Anthony Hopkins

01:13:41is on screen

01:13:42in the

01:13:42Science of the

01:13:43Lambs

01:13:43for 16

01:13:44minutes

01:13:44I didn't

01:13:45believe you

01:13:46when you

01:13:46told me

01:13:47that

01:13:47and I

01:13:47looked

01:13:47it up

01:13:47amazing

01:13:49but what

01:13:50an impact

01:13:50and Andrew

01:13:50did the

01:13:51same

01:13:51thing

01:13:51with

01:13:51those

01:13:52couple

01:13:52of

01:13:52scenes

01:13:56and this

01:13:57is the

01:13:57right

01:13:57size

01:13:58this is

01:13:58the right

01:13:59size

01:14:00and we

01:14:00have to

01:14:02work that

01:14:02out

01:14:03for those

01:14:04of you

01:14:04who have

01:14:04been

01:14:04worried

01:14:05of course

01:14:05this is

01:14:06the right

01:14:06explanation

01:14:07this is

01:14:07the only

01:14:08one it

01:14:08really could

01:14:08be

01:14:09the other

01:14:10two

01:14:10they're

01:14:10not

01:14:10true

01:14:12this is

01:14:13this is

01:14:13a perfectly

01:14:14sound

01:14:14explanation

01:14:15for

01:14:15yeah

01:14:16and indeed

01:14:17it

01:14:18I've

01:14:18always

01:14:19kind of

01:14:19felt

01:14:19people

01:14:19being

01:14:19a tiny

01:14:20bit

01:14:20slow

01:14:20one

01:14:21thing

01:14:21that

01:14:22is

01:14:22very

01:14:22clear

01:14:22from

01:14:23the

01:14:23Reckenbach

01:14:23fall

01:14:24is

01:14:24John

01:14:25cannot

01:14:25see

01:14:25the

01:14:26point

01:14:26of

01:14:26impact

01:14:27so

01:14:28because

01:14:29of

01:14:29that

01:14:29station

01:14:31so

01:14:32given

01:14:33that

01:14:33what do

01:14:34you

01:14:34think

01:14:34something

01:14:34got in

01:14:35the way

01:14:35a great

01:14:36big

01:14:36blue

01:14:37cushion

01:14:38why didn't

01:14:39people

01:14:39guess it

01:14:39was a

01:14:39great

01:14:39blue

01:14:41all the

01:14:41clues

01:14:47also for

01:14:49anyone

01:14:49asked

01:14:49wondering

01:14:50the

01:14:50Lazarus

01:14:51is

01:14:51go

01:14:51is

01:14:51the

01:14:52code

01:14:53word

01:14:53is of

01:14:53course

01:14:54because

01:14:54Lazarus

01:14:55rose from

01:14:55the dead

01:14:56but

01:14:56obviously

01:14:57it's because

01:14:57I was

01:14:57Professor

01:14:58shut

01:14:58up

01:15:00it's a

01:15:00double

01:15:01it's a

01:15:01double

01:15:01whammy

01:15:07ben

01:15:09benedict

01:15:09as well

01:15:09as doing

01:15:10that

01:15:10original

01:15:10Reichenbach

01:15:11fall

01:15:11he

01:15:13loved

01:15:15what

01:15:16fall

01:15:16did you say

01:15:17well he did

01:15:17the one

01:15:17from the end

01:15:18of the

01:15:18Reichenbach

01:15:19fall

01:15:19on the

01:15:19wire

01:15:20and then

01:15:20he obviously

01:15:21had to do

01:15:21that

01:15:26would it

01:15:27have been

01:15:27terribly

01:15:27embarrassing

01:15:28if John

01:15:28had stumbled

01:15:29upon the

01:15:29giant

01:15:29blue

01:15:29yes

01:15:31and he

01:15:31was saying

01:15:32what are

01:15:32you doing

01:15:33well I

01:15:33was trying

01:15:34to trick

01:15:34you

01:15:36there was

01:15:38another plan

01:15:39though wasn't

01:15:39it

01:15:39just get

01:15:41shot in the

01:15:41back of the

01:15:42head to

01:15:42shut him

01:15:42off

01:15:52love this

01:15:53music

01:15:55I did

01:15:56I remember

01:15:56reading

01:15:57one of the

01:15:58reviews

01:15:58which said

01:16:00squash

01:16:01fall

01:16:01that we'd

01:16:02obviously

01:16:02been combing

01:16:03the internet

01:16:03theories

01:16:04we'd even

01:16:05put in

01:16:05the popular

01:16:06squash

01:16:06ball

01:16:06theory

01:16:07that's

01:16:08how he

01:16:09did it

01:16:09it's in

01:16:10the end

01:16:10of the

01:16:10Reichenbach

01:16:11fall

01:16:11that's how

01:16:12it

01:16:12happens

01:16:13obviously

01:16:14people don't

01:16:14watch it

01:16:15as versus

01:16:15we do

01:16:16some people

01:16:18he's my

01:16:19friend

01:16:19it's my

01:16:20friend

01:16:20one of

01:16:24the theories

01:16:26I read

01:16:26that I

01:16:27quite learned

01:16:29was that

01:16:30he does

01:16:30just fall

01:16:31it is

01:16:31actually

01:16:32technically

01:16:32possible

01:16:32to fall

01:16:33survive

01:16:33a fall

01:16:34like that

01:16:34he just

01:16:35does it

01:16:36breaks

01:16:36a few

01:16:37and it

01:16:38spends

01:16:38two years

01:16:39getting put

01:16:39back

01:16:39together

01:16:41this is

01:16:42the point

01:16:42where

01:16:44we

01:16:44essentially

01:16:45put in

01:16:46what the

01:16:46reaction

01:16:47is going

01:16:47to be

01:16:48I was

01:16:49a kidnapper

01:16:50but I

01:16:50yeah exactly

01:16:51it's

01:16:52well it's

01:16:53the point

01:16:53and then

01:16:54rejection

01:16:54the version

01:16:58you have

01:16:58in your

01:16:58head is

01:16:58always going

01:16:59to be

01:16:59better

01:16:59also

01:17:01just before

01:17:01a mystery

01:17:02is solved

01:17:03is the

01:17:03most exciting

01:17:04moment of the

01:17:04mystery

01:17:05isn't it

01:17:05the moment

01:17:06after it's

01:17:07been solved

01:17:07is the least

01:17:08exciting

01:17:08moment of the

01:17:08mystery

01:17:09what about

01:17:10the

01:17:10sniper

01:17:13it's like

01:17:14magic tricks

01:17:14isn't it

01:17:15you don't

01:17:15want to be

01:17:15told

01:17:15the answer

01:17:18is disappointing

01:17:20our favourite

01:17:21scene

01:17:21this scene

01:17:22was

01:17:23floated around

01:17:24it sort of

01:17:24it worked for

01:17:25everything

01:17:25it was an

01:17:26answer

01:17:26yes

01:17:27is it done

01:17:28including

01:17:29for a while

01:17:30for a whole

01:17:30day I think

01:17:31it was done

01:17:32immediately after

01:17:33John has

01:17:34shaved off

01:17:34his moustache

01:17:38I'm sure we

01:17:41can use it

01:17:42in the next

01:17:42series

01:17:44of Doctor

01:17:44Who in

01:17:45fact

01:17:47there we

01:17:48are

01:17:48disappointed

01:17:50everyone's a

01:17:51critic

01:17:52everyone's a

01:17:53critic

01:17:54no

01:17:55no I

01:17:55think you

01:17:55know

01:17:56how I

01:17:58did it

01:17:58by Jack

01:17:59it's still

01:18:00you know

01:18:00a very

01:18:01plausible

01:18:01explanation

01:18:02oh yeah

01:18:02no it's

01:18:03and really

01:18:04as

01:18:04one has

01:18:05to say

01:18:05that in

01:18:06the real

01:18:06world

01:18:07the only

01:18:08way he

01:18:08could survive

01:18:08the fall

01:18:09is not

01:18:09to hit

01:18:09the paper

01:18:10that's it

01:18:11there isn't

01:18:11anything else

01:18:11he can do

01:18:12who knows

01:18:13there may be

01:18:13something

01:18:13that I

01:18:14know

01:18:14but children

01:18:14have fallen

01:18:15huge heights

01:18:16haven't they

01:18:17and survived

01:18:18and maybe

01:18:19somebody like

01:18:20him

01:18:20Sherlock

01:18:21could train

01:18:21themselves

01:18:21it's

01:18:22one of your

01:18:23hobbies

01:18:23there

01:18:25it's

01:18:25children hurdling

01:18:26I think

01:18:27with very young

01:18:27children it's

01:18:28to do with

01:18:28they don't

01:18:29know it's

01:18:29happened

01:18:29exactly

01:18:30I know

01:18:30that the

01:18:31famous fall

01:18:31in the

01:18:31exorcist

01:18:32down the

01:18:32stairs

01:18:33at the end

01:18:33which was a

01:18:34real stunt

01:18:34that the guy

01:18:36had trained

01:18:36himself to

01:18:37totally relax

01:18:39and actually

01:18:40so if you're

01:18:41not expecting

01:18:42the impact

01:18:42it will be

01:18:43far less

01:18:44damaged

01:18:44however

01:18:56you have to

01:18:58think now

01:18:58what

01:18:58what next

01:19:00for

01:19:01Anderson

01:19:01in his

01:19:02madness

01:19:02he could be

01:19:05claiming that

01:19:07Sherlock

01:19:07isn't

01:19:08Sherlock

01:19:08Holmes

01:19:10there's

01:19:11a substitute

01:19:14finding

01:19:15differences

01:19:15in photographs

01:19:16but I've

01:19:17got older

01:19:18that's why

01:19:20this is very

01:19:22funny

01:19:22he really

01:19:23cut his

01:19:24hand badly

01:19:24at paper

01:19:25cuts

01:19:25because he

01:19:26completely

01:19:27went for it

01:19:27hysterical

01:19:33I like

01:19:34that we

01:19:34end up

01:19:35liking

01:19:35Anderson

01:19:36I think

01:19:37that we

01:19:38should maybe

01:19:39see him

01:19:39next

01:19:39just

01:19:41standing

01:19:41outside

01:19:42Baker Street

01:19:42with the

01:19:43empty

01:19:43hearse

01:19:43people

01:19:44just

01:19:45staring

01:19:45at the

01:19:45window

01:19:47stalking

01:19:48him around

01:19:48London

01:19:50God's sake

01:19:50Anderson

01:19:51get a job

01:19:53I hear

01:19:54is

01:19:54Sherlock

01:19:55Holmes's

01:19:55cruelest

01:19:56moment

01:20:00missed it

01:20:01off

01:20:03that is

01:20:04such a

01:20:05terrible

01:20:05place

01:20:06you

01:20:07have

01:20:08your face

01:20:09a child

01:20:11totally

01:20:12had you

01:20:13I knew

01:20:14it

01:20:14I knew

01:20:15it

01:20:16I never

01:20:17knew you

01:20:17cared

01:20:20scouts

01:20:21on

01:20:21to

01:20:21anyone

01:20:22you

01:20:22knew

01:20:23how to

01:20:24turn it

01:20:25off

01:20:25there's

01:20:25an

01:20:25off

01:20:25switch

01:20:27it's

01:20:28interesting

01:20:28compared to

01:20:29the restaurant

01:20:30John is

01:20:31essentially

01:20:32justified in

01:20:33having the

01:20:33same

01:20:33reaction

01:20:34but now

01:20:34he kind

01:20:35of

01:20:35thinks

01:20:35well

01:20:36that's

01:20:37the way

01:20:37it has

01:20:37to be

01:20:37you

01:20:41stabs

01:20:41him

01:20:42later

01:20:43because

01:20:43he's

01:20:44put

01:20:44on an

01:20:44emotional

01:20:44rollercoaster

01:20:45he's

01:20:45now terribly

01:20:45pleased

01:20:46to be

01:20:46alive

01:20:47he

01:20:49forgets

01:20:49slightly

01:20:50that you

01:20:50should be

01:20:50decking

01:20:51him again

01:20:58but it's

01:20:59also that

01:20:59thing of

01:21:00remembering

01:21:01kind of

01:21:02in a way

01:21:02why he

01:21:03likes

01:21:03him

01:21:03because

01:21:04he's

01:21:05outrageous

01:21:05and he's

01:21:06funny

01:21:06and it

01:21:07actually

01:21:08throws

01:21:08forward

01:21:08to

01:21:09three

01:21:09and

01:21:10about

01:21:10the

01:21:10person

01:21:11that

01:21:11he

01:21:11is

01:21:11yes

01:21:12absolutely

01:21:16i think

01:21:16he's a bit

01:21:17shifty

01:21:17that blog

01:21:18i wouldn't

01:21:19entirely

01:21:19trust him

01:21:20he even

01:21:21pressed that

01:21:21button

01:21:22suspiciously

01:21:22i get

01:21:23that

01:21:34here's a lost

01:21:36scene

01:21:36it's a tragedy

01:21:37i know

01:21:38we went through

01:21:39every possible

01:21:40thing to get

01:21:42me and

01:21:43wanda and

01:21:43tim

01:21:44to watch

01:21:45les miz

01:21:45and they

01:21:46really wanted

01:21:46us to go

01:21:47as well

01:21:47les miz

01:21:48were being

01:21:48brilliant about

01:21:48it we just

01:21:49could not get

01:21:50the schedule

01:21:50working at all

01:21:51so it became a

01:21:52phone

01:21:52another little

01:21:53joke but it's

01:21:53actually it still

01:21:54works on the

01:21:54phone

01:21:56inconsistency coming

01:21:57up with the

01:21:58dates of

01:21:59they changed

01:22:01their mind

01:22:02it's prerogative

01:22:05in fact they

01:22:06even printed

01:22:06they saw the

01:22:07sample of the

01:22:08printing of the

01:22:09invite and then

01:22:10they actually

01:22:10changed it

01:22:11i love

01:22:12sherlock's

01:22:12little wink at

01:22:13mary because

01:22:13he's just saying

01:22:15of course i'm

01:22:16coming to the

01:22:16wedding

01:22:17ready

01:22:19now this is

01:22:19the ed

01:22:22who uh

01:22:23now this is

01:22:23true he

01:22:24he came into

01:22:24audition when

01:22:26at some point

01:22:27the waiter in

01:22:29the restaurant

01:22:29was meant to

01:22:30look a bit like

01:22:31sherlock and

01:22:32then sherlock took

01:22:32his place so

01:22:34he's actually was

01:22:34cast because he

01:22:35looked a bit like

01:22:35benedict and

01:22:36then he got this

01:22:37much bigger better

01:22:38part and we

01:22:38liked him so much

01:22:39we carried him

01:22:40into episode two

01:22:40as well

01:22:41yeah yeah

01:22:41i've just worked

01:22:43with him again

01:22:43have you

01:22:43yes i played

01:22:45his mum

01:22:45ah

01:22:47that's weird

01:22:50martin did so

01:22:51many i remember

01:22:53watching the rush

01:22:53funny takes on

01:22:55looking at this

01:22:55guy i didn't know

01:22:56how we were

01:22:57going to choose

01:22:58and i still don't

01:22:59know if we've got

01:22:59the right one

01:23:00because i just sat

01:23:01and watched it

01:23:01it's different every

01:23:02time every day

01:23:03it's just wow

01:23:05masterclass

01:23:06wow

01:23:08i love it

01:23:09so sherlock doesn't

01:23:10know who put

01:23:11john in the bonfire

01:23:13john real life is

01:23:14really studied

01:23:15i don't know who

01:23:16was behind all this

01:23:17and then this is

01:23:18of course another

01:23:18little bit here

01:23:20don't pretend you're

01:23:21not in the middle

01:23:22of writing this

01:23:23uh wonderful

01:23:24and uh not

01:23:25much seen

01:23:26sherlock

01:23:26home's film called

01:23:27a study in terror

01:23:28is on john neville

01:23:29and donald houston

01:23:30and i texted you

01:23:31yeah

01:23:31it's a terrific film

01:23:34jack the ripper

01:23:34and sherlock

01:23:35terrific film

01:23:35and then

01:23:36there's this amazing

01:23:37bit at the end

01:23:38where

01:23:39adriana cory

01:23:40and uh

01:23:42um

01:23:42he's in this burning

01:23:43room with john neville

01:23:44and the beams

01:23:46are falling about

01:23:46and there's absolutely

01:23:47no way that he

01:23:48can get out of there

01:23:48and then there's

01:23:49a hard cut to

01:23:50baker street

01:23:50and when watson

01:23:51says oh how did

01:23:52you get out of

01:23:52there

01:23:52oh he says

01:23:53you know my

01:23:54methods watson

01:23:55i am well known

01:23:55to be indestructible

01:23:56and they just

01:23:58forget about that

01:23:59and i said to you

01:24:00oh we need

01:24:00so that's when john

01:24:04actually then says

01:24:05but how did you do

01:24:06it he just says

01:24:07exactly that

01:24:07yeah

01:24:07i asked you to

01:24:08stop being dead

01:24:09and why not

01:24:11i also love the

01:24:12little possibility

01:24:13here

01:24:14yeah that he just

01:24:15came back

01:24:15he just came back

01:24:16from the dead

01:24:16yeah slightly spooky

01:24:18time to go

01:24:19i was there

01:24:20and i heard you

01:24:21yeah

01:24:23and then

01:24:24but no ghost

01:24:24would put this

01:24:25hat on

01:24:28i wish you

01:24:29continue

01:24:29i think

01:24:30i think

01:24:30our charlotte

01:24:31in the future

01:24:31should actually

01:24:32start now and

01:24:33then just going

01:24:34out

01:24:34oh yeah

01:24:35just because he

01:24:37does actually

01:24:37like it

01:24:38yeah

01:24:38and he you

01:24:39know he

01:24:39protests too

01:24:39much

01:24:40yeah

01:24:40of course

01:24:41he loves

01:24:41the attention

01:24:41yeah

01:24:43and just

01:24:43shut up

01:24:48it's never

01:24:49gonna get

01:24:49old

01:24:49that one

01:24:50oh dear

01:24:54now we'll

01:24:55see

01:24:57and it's only

01:24:58eleven twenty

01:24:59four on the

01:24:59clock

01:25:00why do we get

01:25:01more time into

01:25:02this mark

01:25:02i know

01:25:03let's go into

01:25:04someone's mind

01:25:05palace

01:25:07having a long

01:25:07discussion with

01:25:08arville about

01:25:08these little

01:25:09things i'm

01:25:09putting in

01:25:10but it's like

01:25:11a bonsai tree

01:25:12covered in

01:25:13surgical gloves

01:25:14and oranges

01:25:15it's just

01:25:15it happened to

01:25:16be that

01:25:16i said no

01:25:16it's basically

01:25:17whatever you

01:25:18can find

01:25:18that's strange

01:25:20because originally

01:25:21it was going

01:25:21to be man

01:25:22in

01:25:23man in

01:25:24crowd

01:25:24man in

01:25:25glasses

01:25:25wasn't it

01:25:26we did

01:25:26actually

01:25:27we shot

01:25:27something

01:25:28we shot

01:25:28something

01:25:29before

01:25:29lars was

01:25:30cast

01:25:30yeah

01:25:30and the only

01:25:31thing we

01:25:31had actually

01:25:32was a

01:25:32spectacle

01:25:32yes

01:25:33which i

01:25:33went round

01:25:34the corner

01:25:34with sarah

01:25:35arsberg

01:25:35custody

01:25:36designer

01:25:37around the

01:25:38corner of

01:25:38gowse street

01:25:38and we

01:25:39found

01:25:39because charles

01:25:40augustus

01:25:40milberton

01:25:41i have

01:25:41the famous

01:25:41things

01:25:41around

01:25:42glasses

01:25:43we found

01:25:44these beautiful

01:25:44rimless

01:25:45glasses

01:25:46and they

01:25:46were they

01:25:46were on

01:25:47the set

01:25:48but the

01:25:48actual man

01:25:49who was

01:25:49sort of

01:25:49playing

01:25:50magnus

01:25:50was about

01:25:51five

01:25:54so didn't

01:25:55we shoot

01:25:55something

01:25:55with a

01:25:56bit of a

01:25:56cheek

01:25:56and

01:25:57it was

01:25:59i thought

01:26:00that was

01:26:01great

01:26:01i did

01:26:02i'm afraid

01:26:05well thank

01:26:06you very

01:26:06much

01:26:06we'll see

01:26:07you again

01:26:07for episode

01:26:08three his

01:26:09last bow

01:26:10you

01:26:15you

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