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Seth and Sean discuss James Gladstone's proclamation that Travis Hunter would revolutionize the NFL by playing full-time 2 ways going down the tube, and react to some more criticism Drake Maye's getting out of Boston.
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00:00The most ridiculous proclamation of the offseason last year came in the AFC South,
00:06but it was not the Houston Texans. It didn't come from the Texans.
00:09Nick Casario is not prone to making bold proclamations like the one the magnificent Gladstone made
00:16less than a year ago about Travis Hunter when they traded up from five to two,
00:23gave up multiple picks, including their first round pick this year,
00:27which Cleveland will have to move up three spots to get Travis Hunter because he was going to revolutionize
00:33the sport of football. Let's go back in the way back machine to late April of April 2025
00:41and hear from James Gladstone introducing Colorado cornerback slash wide receiver
00:48and Heisman Trophy winner and number two overall pick, Travis Hunter.
00:52You know, as we sit here, Travis Hunter is a Jacksonville Jaguar and really what comes to mind
00:58for me, right? Thinking about the sport of football and really the power of the game itself, right?
01:06It's capacity to ignite belief, right? Belief in ourselves, belief in others, right? Belief in achieving
01:14what many may deem impossible. Travis Hunter, he embodies belief, right? He's a rare person. He's a rare player,
01:25but he's also a reminder that the boundaries of the game of football were built to be challenged.
01:33And so the decision to select him was actually a statement, a statement for how we plan to move,
01:41who we are, and we want him to be nothing more than him because when he is, he elevates the
01:50space
01:50around him from the football field to the city to the game of football itself. Travis Hunter
01:58is who we've been hunting up. Couldn't be more jacked to be sitting right here beside him and
02:04introduce you all to the man of the hour. Got to get the applause. Good, good, good applause.
02:11Yeah, good. Way to be impartial there, Jacksonville. That was a press conference. Bravo, Gladstone.
02:18Bravo. They would go on to give the motivational speech to Liam Cohen after the playoff departure
02:23was in there too. Oh, she was probably there, yeah. This was, now remember, this would have been
02:2910 or 11, 10, 9, 10 months ago. We already hated James Gladstone at that point. Yes, we did. It
02:35was
02:35in spring training last year when you and I were in that Airbnb along with our boss, Parker,
02:41where we were first introduced to James Gladstone. Yes. And we could tell immediately,
02:46boy, this guy's annoying. This guy, and this, the great thing about that speech that he just gave
02:51was that you can find it almost verbatim in a couple of different scenarios on draft day
02:57where he had, he had these things memorized and he was on the phone with somebody else and he
03:04basically gave this same speech. He was doing an interview with NFL Network or ESPN basically gave
03:09the same speech and chat GPT spit out a good speech for him. But the, the, the first year GM
03:17congratulating himself and his organization for making a draft pick of a guy that's going to
03:24redefine the way we think about football because this guy can play both ways. He can do things that
03:30anybody else and nobody else has ever done before, at least since teams started platooning football
03:34players. Uh, fast forward one year and everybody who didn't see the news this weekend, Travis Hunter
03:40is going to be a defensive back this year through sometimes plays on the office.
03:43Yes. According to Cameron Wolf of the NFL Network, the Jaguars plan is to make Hunter a starting cornerback.
03:49Uh-huh. Yeah. They got a starter out of the deal. Yay. Uh, and play full-time on defense while
03:54only playing
03:55part-time at wide receiver. Right. So is he trade? Yeah. So is he only partially revolutionized? I think he's
04:03partially,
04:03he's not revolutionary because there've been a lot of guys who have been defensive backs
04:07who play some J.J. Watts done this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Who's played a fair amount of tight end.
04:13Mike Vrabel, uh, you know, go back to various, uh, you know, guys who have played both ways as receivers
04:18and
04:18defensive backs that's happened before. I think Stingley could do this just as easily as Travis Hunter could
04:23do this. If Stingley didn't have his injury history, I think he probably would have already done it. His ball
04:27skills are immaculate. Yep. But yeah, this is, uh, this is just not necessarily all that big a deal. And
04:33the fun
04:33thing about this is that I think by and large, most people like Travis Hunter. I like Travis
04:37Hunter. I thought that without, I never want to say never, but I don't think people realized or
04:43appreciated just how improbable it would be that he'd be able to play both ways. It's just, it's,
04:50it's amazing what Otani has done, but it's still even harder to do something similar to that in
04:56football because of how physically taping it is. It's a full contact sport. Yeah. And he's a,
05:00he's a smaller guy, smaller guy. Exactly. Yeah. And it just, uh, you know, it was cool that he did
05:07what he did in college. It was really, really impressive, but to do in the NFL, it's just
05:11ridiculous. And for them to start off right from the get go saying, yep, this is our plan. We're
05:16going to do it. And they had him doing it split in time back and forth. And, and, and, and
05:22he ended
05:22up getting injured like two significant injuries in his rookie year. Yeah. He got injured during
05:26training camp, missed a bunch of games. Then he goes on IR his rookie year. Yeah. He, this was,
05:32this was not going to happen. And the only way that that trade ends up making sense now is if
05:37he
05:37ends up becoming one of the best cornerbacks in the league. Cause even then, even then,
05:42cause the trade, you can make comparisons to the Will Anderson trade and the compensation,
05:48et cetera, et cetera. Probably, you know, it was the Jaguars, I believe was a little bit more
05:53aggressive in terms of trade value at the time. The points on the Jimmy Johnson chart or whatever.
05:57Yeah. The difference is that the Texans had a boatload of draft capital because of that little
06:03thing. Remember the Deshaun Watson trade? Yeah. They just had a boatload of draft capital. So
06:08it wasn't as expensive to the Texans in terms of percentage of their overall draft capital and
06:14everything. And it was an aggressive move and it was much criticized at the time. It ended up working
06:18out really because it only makes sense if Will Anderson becomes one of the best edge rushers in the
06:22league, which he is within three years, he became one of the very best pass rush. He is the second
06:27best defensive player in football, according to the AP voters. And it's also, it, it, it's also his
06:33leadership and everything else that comes along with it. He's the perfect football player. I love
06:37him. It was so with Travis Hunter, that's a, it could still work out that he might be that caliber
06:42player. But one thing that the GM didn't have to do is the kids being introduced before he's even
06:48signed his contract to play in the NFL is introduce him as a guy who's going to
06:52redefine the game of football. That's exactly right. And yet the Jags were 13 and four this
06:57past season, you know, like empirically, James Gladstone did a good job as the general manager
07:02of that team. Right. And Travis, and he's shown a lot of promise as a defensive back, you know,
07:07and I think that's where the there's still time for it to work out really well. Mostly today,
07:13we just celebrate James Gladstone being such a, such an annoying Silicon Valley upstart type.
07:21You know, he is, he's one of these people that try, they convince young business people that
07:25need to spend $200,000 on their logo and branding, uh, before they, before they actually produce a
07:31product. You know, like, yeah, like the sizzle is more important than the steak. Yeah. You'll never
07:37make it with some, with some logo, like what IBM or something. No, you need a snazzy name.
07:42Yeah. That's right. And an animal, um, need something to be like Microsoft. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
07:49Well, the, the, the trade, the trade is actually very similar to the Willie Anderson. So there were
07:53some day three picks that kind of went back and forth that are, you know, that largely are just
07:58shrapnel. The main picks that got traded Jacksonville moved up from five to two. They gave up their
08:03second round pick in that draft, which the Texans also did to move up from 12 to three.
08:07They gave up their first round pick next year, which is now this year, which the Texans also did.
08:12And ironically enough, the Texans pick, I think landed at 27, uh, and the Jags pick landed at 26.
08:20So the two trades wound up being very, very similar in terms of what was given up. Yeah. After the
08:26dust
08:26settles very, very similar trades. It's just, I don't know that I, it's hard for me to believe that
08:31Travis Hunter is ever going to get to Will Anderson's level. Cause Will's playing at a
08:35level. Now that very few people get to period. I mean, that goes back to what do you have?
08:40How do you evaluate the guy on draft day? And the appeal of Travis Hunter was his ability to play
08:46both ways. If you believed that fairy tale, if that was a, the mythology that you were going to
08:52attach yourself to, that's what made him that valuable as a wide receiver or as a defensive back,
08:57he wasn't nearly, uh, thought of as a guy like, like Will Anderson was as a pass rusher. And that,
09:04so the fact that he's already, you're already giving up on him playing both ways. Yeah. I mean,
09:08that, the, the, that was a way it was a far too aggressive trade based on you wanting to believe
09:14a fairy tale of this guy playing both ways. There's a secret sauce that needs to come with it. If
09:18you're making that big a trade, the secret sauce for Hunter was his both way ability. The secret sauce
09:23for Will Anderson was the exponential effect he has on the culture of your building. Yeah.
09:30They're both good players. They're both, they're both. Will's a great player. Travis Hunter's
09:34potentially a great player. That two way thing though, is if it comes to fruition is worth that
09:39extra draft capital. The same, the, the, the, the, the nice thing for the Texans is the thing that
09:44was a secret sauce for Will is a very stable, predictable thing. Easy to predict that he's going
09:49to be really good in the building. If I was a, look, they believed in the cult of, in the
09:54mythology
09:54of Travis Hunter. If this was a real world religion and a, you know, I were to sign up for
09:59a religion
09:59where they said, yeah, you're going to, we're going to guarantee you everlasting life. Just that not
10:04even in heaven on this earth. And all you have to do is tie 50% of your salary every
10:09year. If after
10:1010 years they came to me and they said like, Hey, by the way, that whole everlasting life thing
10:15turns out it's not true at all, but we do have some commemorative coins to offer like,
10:21no crap. No, I spent too much. Yeah. That's what they've gotten with the promise of everlasting
10:27life is dashed in the earth with Travis Hunter. They're, um, man, they're still coming after
10:32Drake may up in new England, huh? Yeah. Well, I just, this one, Houston stressons had asked,
10:39Hey, is Drake may getting the kind of hate that CJ has gotten because of his bad playoff performance?
10:44Yeah. And I think that for one, I, I don't think he would, I don't, I don't think it's
10:50justified that Drake may should get as much hate as CJ Stroud did for his performance because
10:55Drake may didn't throw four interceptions, uh, in one half of football in that game to like
10:59to just put it completely cataclysmic failure by. Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't as bad a performance,
11:04but Drake may didn't have a good, obviously. So I think, and this echoes some of the things
11:10that I heard Boston radio people saying before the super bowl, people that were pointing out
11:15like, Hey guys, like, I know you don't want to hear about the strength of schedule and
11:19everything, but Drake may hasn't actually looked all that hot in the playoffs. This is a one of
11:23the hosts on W E E I Dan ball, uh, who, who just flat out calls Drake may a baby.
11:29Are you not ready
11:31for the game and go mute and don't say anything to your offense and don't say anything to your
11:37coach and don't make eye contact and blow right past them and throw your helmet down on the, on
11:42the bench after you have a bad series and have your head coach have to follow you along the sideline
11:48going, let it go. Let it go. That's, that's what bothers me here. Andy, it's one thing. If you just
11:54lose and accept that you're the lesser quarterback on the lesser team, it's another to be a baby
12:01about it. I'm sorry. It's another to be B word came out quick. It's another, you can't, you can't
12:07compete in the NFL. If you're going to be a front runner, if you're going to be a great leader
12:11in the
12:12face of the franchise and a leader of men, when you're winning and regress and not be a vocal part
12:18of what's going on on your team, when you're losing, you cannot, you cannot compete at the NFL
12:23level. If that's the way you're going to operate when you're losing to a very good team. That's
12:27right. In fairness to Houston stress and Houston stress is a bunch of body language talk the same
12:31way it was about. That sounded like body language talk. Apologies to Houston stress on that. The
12:36discussion was about the body language, the leadership, all of that. That's at least one
12:41guy there who's pointed that out. A lot of these mic'd up moments from the Superbowl have ended up
12:46looking really good for Mike Vrabel. Yeah. Good for Vrabel. Yes. But a lot of it is also Vrabel
12:51looking really good by him being the guy who's trying to bolster the confidence of his young
12:57quarterback. Yeah. He's Drake May's therapist out there. Remember there was that also, the mic'd up
13:02from the championship game when Josh McDaniels is on the sideline with Drake May and he's saying,
13:08hey, it's going to, it's going to be hard, man. We just got to do it for one half. And
13:12Drake May
13:13looks up at him and says, it's hard. Heaven. I didn't see that one. Oh my God. He said something
13:19like, it's so hard. I don't know if he was talking about the football maybe or something, but
13:24yeah, I don't know. We're going to, you're very good at monitoring other, other cities,
13:29radio stations. Yeah. Yeah. Start to see if there starts to be some body language and some
13:33leadership questioning of Drake. I should call in and start it up. I should be like, you know,
13:38Sully from South Boston calling in. I feel like to get, I don't think you're talking enough about
13:44the body language of Drake May. I used to actually, I used to try to call other radio stations just
13:50to
13:50try to, you know, just to give my, get us some content to use. Yeah. And the problem is if
13:57you're
13:57not a known caller and you haven't established yourself, especially on the, some of those
14:01Northeastern shows, they take a lot of calls. You'll sit there on. It's hard to get on. Yeah.
14:04Yeah. You'll sit on. Especially with a, I'd have to get some service where I fake my area code
14:08and everything. Usually it would be like, okay, the Texans are playing the bills. I'm going to call
14:13up the Buffalo. They see a Houston area code and they're like, ah, screw this guy. Can you do the
14:18old star six niner still? I don't know. Yeah. I forgot about that. Yeah. Yeah. I know, but I think
14:26now
14:26with your cell phone, there's things, there's services you can use where you can make it look. Well,
14:30I know I get about 20 calls a day from, Oh yeah. From fake phone numbers. So I know that.
14:36Yeah. I
14:36don't know if you know Sean or not. I try not to brag about this stuff, but I have been
14:39pre-approved
14:41for quite the, quite the sum of loans that I never applied for. Yeah. Yeah. I get some of those
14:49probably not to the volume of loan that you do, but I get a few of those. Oh no, it's
14:52all bogus. It's
14:53not, I don't even know what it's all about. I think I, I think I apply, I applied for credit
14:57for
14:57something like two years ago. And ever since then, I've been getting, I've got all these
15:00pre-approvals rolling. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Um, maybe I'll call in and give Patriot fans this
15:06stat that they don't want to see. Boy, this almost makes me glad that the Texans didn't
15:11make the Superbowl because I don't think they would have beat the Seahawks. Yeah. Let's
15:14count our blessings. Yeah. Yeah. Well, let me read the stat here and you tell me 18 of the
15:19last 19 quarterbacks who lost their Superbowl debut, never got back to the big game. And I don't
15:26think the Texans would have beat the Seahawks. I don't mean to be negative about it, but the
15:29Seahawks looked like they were beating pretty much everybody that day. Um, so maybe we should
15:34count our blessings that, you know, if the Texans are going to make the Superbowl someday,
15:38that they get there at a point where they're favored to win and they can beat whoever it
15:42is across. If you don't win it your first time, you're very unlikely to ever, never go back
15:49read it again. 18 of the last 19 quarterbacks who lost in their Superbowl debut, never got back to
15:57the big game. The only one that did Jalen hurts. Jalen hurts lost on that really, really controversial
16:04call against the chiefs back in 2023. And then or in 2022, I forget what year it was. Um, and
16:11then
16:11he won it against the chiefs a year or two later. I don't know. You know, ever since, uh, I,
16:16I made a
16:17pledge to myself after this Texans team twice now has made the playoffs after starting Owen three.
16:25And I should say this Texans franchise two of the Texans teams, uh, have, have made it to the
16:30playoffs when no other team this century has done it. I, when the Texans made the playoffs this year,
16:35I said, I'm going to swear off any of these historical can't be improbable. This improbable
16:40that it's hard to get back to a Superbowl in general. So yeah. And then, and then you factor in
16:45the fact that in the last 20 years, you've had two teams, especially in the Patriots and the
16:51chiefs kind of soak up so many of the Superbowl victories that it's hard to, if you're not one
16:56of those two teams, it's hard to, you're on the wrong side of everything. If you're not a Patriots
17:01or a chief, you're on the wrong side of everything.
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