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00:00Can you raise your right hand for me?
00:02You sound his words, so the truth, the whole foods and nothing but the truth, so I'll help you guys.
00:06Okay.
00:07Um, you first high school?
00:11Mm-hmm. In May.
00:12In May? Of this year?
00:14Yes.
00:15Yes.
00:16Okay. Um, you'll be starting college very soon.
00:20January.
00:22Okay, okay.
00:24So you understand everything that's going on here and everything that's happening?
00:27Yeah.
00:29Um...
00:31Marcian TV.
00:34Obviously, I've explained that I am investigating a case involving a subject that you may know by the name of Jeffrey or Jeff Epstein.
00:44He's resident in Palm Beach.
00:47I believe you may have some information pertaining to this case.
00:51If you put in your own words, can you explain from the beginning what happened?
00:58It's like a year and a half, almost two years ago.
01:01It's like, do you want me to go through everything?
01:03Or do you want to speak to me?
01:05Yeah.
01:06I'll talk to him, like, how you met him, and then I'll take you through.
01:11Okay.
01:12And I was mentioning to her how I wanted extra money to go to Maine.
01:25Is that what you're talking about?
01:26No, but I wanted to go camping.
01:27I like to go camping.
01:28All right.
01:29So I wanted to go camping for the summer, and I couldn't afford a plane ticket.
01:32And she goes, oh, well, you can get a plane ticket in two hours.
01:36But I said, what are you talking about?
01:38Like, that didn't make any sense to me.
01:39A plane ticket in two hours, what are you talking about?
01:41And she goes, oh, you can go and get this guy a massage, and they'll pay you $200 for like
01:4845 minutes or an hour.
01:50And that's all she told me.
01:51No details.
01:52No nothing.
01:53So a couple days later, I believe it was a Saturday night.
01:58I'm almost positive it was, because I know I didn't have to go to school the next day.
02:02It definitely wasn't a party.
02:03So next Saturday night after that, she set it up, and I picked her up from her apartment
02:12and we drove to the island, and I worked.
02:17Um, and he paid her $300 for her dollars, only.
02:21I don't know if that was that.
02:24Uh, and this was a year and a half ago, correct?
02:26Maybe two.
02:27I'm not sure.
02:28I didn't know any future half.
02:29How old were you when you first, um, were over there?
02:33If it was two years ago, I was 16.
02:35If it was a year and a half, it would have been 16 or 17.
02:38I don't know.
02:39Like, I really don't know.
02:40When you first went to give a massage, um, you explained that it was just a massage?
02:52Just a massage.
02:53Yeah.
02:54Did she explain, um, how you would have to be dressed to give a massage?
02:59She said that he wanted cute girls.
03:02So I looked cute, did my best.
03:05I didn't think that it was what it was.
03:07I wasn't naive enough to think that he was going to pay me $200 just for nothing.
03:13Like, I didn't, like, I don't know.
03:15I don't know what was going through my head.
03:17I absolutely don't know.
03:18In the back of my mind, I was thinking, oh, well, it could be legitimate.
03:23But I was also thinking, you know, at the same time, she's fucking crazy.
03:28Like, this guy's not going to pay you money for not doing anything.
03:31Not letting him cop a fear of nothing, you know?
03:34So I didn't know what to think.
03:35I was like, oh, I'll just go and I'll feel it out.
03:37And if I don't like it, I'll be, like, in the middle of it.
03:39Because I don't care.
03:40See, that's something that I have a problem with now.
03:43Okay.
03:44So when you went?
03:47How, um, you drove?
03:49Mm-hmm.
03:50You drove with Shafi?
03:52Okay.
03:53Um, you pulled up to the house.
03:57Mm-hmm.
03:58Take me from there.
03:59Pulled up to the service entrance.
04:00And up through the, um, the little, like, gate that leaves the backyard.
04:04And I pressed, or she pressed the little intercom button thing.
04:08And, uh, said to Shafi, I had my friend with me.
04:11And they all knew I was coming.
04:13They knew me by name.
04:14Greeted me with, like, oh, we're so happy to see you.
04:17You know, definitely be ready in a second.
04:19You know.
04:20Who were you introduced to?
04:21One of his girlfriends.
04:22One of his, like, slaves.
04:23Like, he has lived with them.
04:24And when I say slaves, like, one of the girls that he bought, like, have sex with him.
04:30Um, I was introduced to one of them probably, like, I was introduced to one of them probably, like, I was introduced to, um, that's his assistant.
04:45I think.
04:46I think they have sex, but I don't know.
04:48Um, I was introduced to his assistant.
04:51And she's the one who told me that he would be ready in a second.
04:55And from there, I met various other girls.
04:57I don't really.
04:58I didn't pay attention to who they were, though.
04:59But I saw the time after that.
05:01So I remember her.
05:02Okay.
05:03How were you brought?
05:04Uh, to Jeffrey.
05:06Um, I'm trying to remember.
05:11I went, there's a staircase in the kitchen.
05:15Uh-huh.
05:16And I went through the staircase in the kitchen up to the master suite.
05:19Um, into the, like, there's two bathrooms.
05:22One has, like, a steam shower.
05:24And then the other one's, like, this.
05:26The other one is, like, um, regular.
05:30It's just a regular bathroom.
05:31But then there's another bathroom with a steam shower.
05:34And, like, I don't know.
05:35There's two bathrooms in there.
05:36I'll just make it easy.
05:37There's two bathrooms.
05:38I was brought into the one bathroom, the massage bathroom with a steam shower.
05:41And she was with me.
05:43And Sarah was like, oh, this right here, yada, yada.
05:46So, and me, we're waiting on the couch in the bathroom.
05:50And, um, Jeffrey comes up.
05:53And she's like, hey, I'm Jeffrey.
05:56He's supposed to introduce himself.
05:58And he hands off.
06:00Yeah, I remember this.
06:01Because I was pissed off that she got paid to bring me.
06:03And it was pissed off.
06:04She handed me a lot of $100 bills and said, thank you.
06:07And she says, I'll wait for you downstairs.
06:09And I was like, all right, I'll see you in a while.
06:12And that's how I was like, Jeffrey.
06:14Okay.
06:15Take me through the massage.
06:18That first massage.
06:20Um, I'm just trying to remember my picture in my head.
06:26I wore a skirt.
06:27I remember specifically what I wore.
06:29I wore a skirt and just a regular t-shirt.
06:33And I was massaging his legs.
06:35And he asked me to take off my skirt.
06:37And I said, I think I said no at first.
06:39And he was like, come on, you're not showing.
06:40He tossed me into it, basically.
06:41He said, oh, you're not showing anything or did something.
06:42I don't even know.
06:43So I ended up taking off my skirt.
06:45And then he goes, come on, you're not showing.
06:47He tossed me into it, basically.
06:48He said, oh, you're not showing anything or did something.
06:51I don't even know.
06:52So I ended up taking off my skirt.
06:54And then he goes, well, I think he just started touching, you know, the top of me.
07:01And then he asked me.
07:03When you're saying the top of you, you really bust.
07:06Yeah.
07:07And then he asked me to take off my shirt.
07:10So I took off my shirt, but I kept my underwear on.
07:13And I won't take my underwear off.
07:15I sold them now.
07:18And he still paid me the same amount.
07:20And that was that.
07:21I went home.
07:22Okay.
07:23You had it on?
07:25Your...
07:26I had my panties.
07:27My panties?
07:28Nothing else.
07:29It was poplar.
07:30I gave them a massage where I had my panties on.
07:32And they requested me to take them off.
07:34But I wouldn't.
07:35Okay.
07:36Were they red on panties?
07:37Were they dog panties?
07:38Were they...
07:39I don't know.
07:40Okay.
07:41Yeah.
07:42Okay.
07:43During the massage, did he do anything to himself?
07:48Yeah.
07:51What word do you want me to use?
07:52Because I already...
07:53Whatever word.
07:54I know.
07:55Whatever word you do.
07:56I don't want to be crude.
07:57I'll just say whatever.
07:59He masturbated.
08:00Okay.
08:01Okay.
08:02While I gave him...
08:03While I gave him...
08:04While I gave him a paratic.
08:05He masturbated.
08:06While I gave him a massage.
08:08When the massage was over...
08:10Like there, he was lost.
08:12Okay.
08:13Okay.
08:14So, no, is he...
08:15Finished with himself and that was it.
08:16Yeah.
08:17He ejaculated.
08:18So, just like I did.
08:20That was the first time you went there.
08:22Mm-hmm.
08:23And he said...
08:24I know.
08:25Take a deep breath.
08:26I know.
08:27You're cleaning your eyes already.
08:28Um...
08:29From then on, you went there multiple times?
08:31I first told him...
08:33Like, I have a problem with it.
08:35What happened the first time.
08:37But...
08:38Turned at all.
08:39It was the 40 minutes.
08:40That was a lot for a 16-year-old.
08:42Wow.
08:43So, you're saying you're sure you were 16 now?
08:45Uh...
08:46Um...
08:47I was damn sure of my age.
08:48I was under 17.
08:49A hundred percent.
08:50A hundred percent.
08:51So, you were 16 and something.
08:53So, you weren't...
08:54It wasn't your 17th birthday yet.
08:57He's been in a moment.
08:58A lot of call.
08:59Yeah.
09:00That's a good time.
09:01Um...
09:02This past summer, I was...
09:04How old are you right now?
09:05I'm 18.
09:06Okay.
09:07So, this December...
09:09This?
09:10Not this past December.
09:11The one before you turned 17.
09:13So, before...
09:14Yeah.
09:15It was...
09:16Two Christmases ago.
09:17During that summer.
09:18The summer.
09:19So, it was the summer before you turned 17?
09:21Mm-hmm.
09:22As far as I remember.
09:23Yes.
09:24Okay.
09:25It was one of those months.
09:26You don't know if it was June, July or...
09:27It was during the summer.
09:28I mean, my summer, since I'm in school, was only considered like June, July and half
09:33of August.
09:34And it was in between those.
09:35Because I wanted to go to Maine.
09:36Did you go to Maine?
09:37Yeah.
09:38No, I didn't.
09:39But do you remember that...
09:41That was the summer you wanted to go to Maine.
09:43Mm-hmm.
09:44Two summers ago when you were 16 years of age.
09:46Yeah.
09:47You were...
09:48You were able to go out by yourself.
09:50So, you had to be at least 16.
09:51Yeah.
09:52That was 16.
09:53Um...
09:54The first time you went, when he masturbated, did you see his...
09:58His number?
09:59Oh, I thought you were going to ask me if I saw like his tongue.
10:02No.
10:03I saw all of the above.
10:04You saw him naked.
10:05Fully naked.
10:06Fully naked.
10:07Yeah.
10:08100% naked.
10:09Right.
10:10He had his towel on for some of it.
10:12That doesn't mean anything like he was naked.
10:15That's all...
10:16That's all everything.
10:17Yeah.
10:18You know the difference between circumcised and not circumcised?
10:21Yeah.
10:22Would you say...
10:23He's uncircumcised.
10:24Uncircumcised?
10:25I mean, I'm sorry.
10:26He is circumcised.
10:27My bad.
10:28He's circumcised.
10:29Uncircumcised.
10:30Uncircumcised.
10:31Uncircumcised.
10:32Uncircumcised.
10:33Uncircumcised.
10:34I don't know about it.
10:35I've never like really looked at it.
10:37I've never done anything where I had to touch it.
10:39I've never touched it.
10:40I've never touched it.
10:41I've never touched it.
10:43Like he...
10:44I'm pretty sure he's welted against me.
10:46But I've never ever been like, okay, I'm letting you do this.
10:49Or I'm going to do this to you.
10:51Um...
10:52It's really weirdly shaped.
10:53I don't know.
10:54Do you want me to tell you this?
10:55Yeah.
10:56Like, is this true?
10:57No.
10:58To my phone.
11:00I know.
11:01I know.
11:02Talking to your girlfriends.
11:03Don't think of them as...
11:04Talking to your girlfriends and...
11:05Okay.
11:06I'm just really embarrassed.
11:09Um...
11:10Like a teardrop.
11:11Like a drop of water.
11:13It's really fat at the bottom and skinny at the top where it's attached.
11:18And he can never get very hard.
11:20Ever.
11:21Like, I just could tell by looking at it.
11:23Like, by looking you can obviously tell if you're hard or not.
11:25And I could tell that he wasn't.
11:27Yeah.
11:28Yeah.
11:29I don't know if that's some sort of thing.
11:30It was wrong with them.
11:31But it definitely, it was not normal.
11:32Right?
11:33I mean, it's not like a staple out of it.
11:34You know?
11:35Right.
11:36I've seen...
11:37It was not normal.
11:38I mean, maybe even.
11:39Maybe even.
11:40Maybe.
11:41Maybe.
11:42Maybe.
11:45The next time you went, or as you continued to go, did it escalate more?
11:51Mm-hmm.
11:52Mm-hmm.
11:53Mm-hmm.
11:54I actually...
11:55I don't remember how long it took for me to start working for him regularly from the
11:58first time I went there.
12:01Um...
12:02Like, I started working every day.
12:03Every single day he was in the country, I would be there.
12:04Um...
12:05Mm-hmm.
12:06I'm sorry.
12:07I, like...
12:08Can you...
12:09Can you...
12:10Can you...
12:11Can you...
12:12Yeah.
12:13I started working it every single day.
12:14And, um...
12:15I told him that I wouldn't let him put anything inside of me.
12:17That was my rule.
12:18Nothing inside of me.
12:19No...
12:20No...
12:21Nothing.
12:22Absolutely nothing inside of me.
12:23He increased my pay to three or four hundred dollars, as long as he could touch me.
12:28Um...
12:29I still have never...
12:30I swear, I never touched him.
12:31I never touched him.
12:32Okay.
12:33Okay.
12:34Okay.
12:35Okay.
12:36Okay.
12:37Okay.
12:38Okay.
12:39Okay.
12:40Okay.
12:41Okay.
12:42Okay.
12:43Okay.
12:44Okay.
12:45I swear, I never touched him.
12:47One hundred times, I never ever touched him.
12:50Um...
12:51But he's...
12:52How many times do you say you were?
12:54Hundreds.
12:55Hundreds.
12:56I...
12:57He used to tell me that I was his favorite.
12:58He bought me a car.
13:00He bought me a...
13:01A Jeep?
13:02No.
13:03I had a brand new car to me on.
13:04I got plane...
13:05I got a plane ticket to New York.
13:06I got spending money whenever I wanted.
13:08Like...
13:09I was in there deep.
13:10I was...
13:11He asked my parents to emancipate me.
13:13So I could live with him.
13:15Or...
13:16He didn't ask my parents.
13:17He asked me to ask my parents and parents.
13:19He...
13:20He actually wanted me to come live with him.
13:22Like a girlfriend?
13:23Explorated.
13:24Whatever you want to call it.
13:26Yeah.
13:27Um...
13:28But it escalated.
13:29He...
13:30He just increased my pay.
13:31As long as he could touch me.
13:32I wouldn't want to put anything inside of me.
13:34He...
13:35And then...
13:36One day he just did.
13:38One day he just put his hands like his fingers.
13:41And um...
13:42How long would you say from the first time he went?
13:45Months.
13:46Honestly, I never kept track like...
13:48Of what happened when.
13:50I just can tell you in which order things progress.
13:53Like not...
13:54Oh, three months later he did this.
13:55Three months later.
13:56Like I can't do that.
13:57When he purchased the car...
14:01How far were you?
14:03Um...
14:04How old was I?
14:06Yeah.
14:07What do you mean?
14:08He bought the car...
14:11In...
14:12I've got to recall.
14:13I haven't got a different picture.
14:15Um...
14:16I can...
14:24I can give you like a form...
14:26Four...
14:27Four months that it possibly was during.
14:29Like I can't specifically remember if it was before or after the new year.
14:32Um...
14:33November, December, January, February.
14:35That just passed.
14:372004?
14:38What is it?
14:40I thought.
14:41So were you a senior in high school when you had the car?
14:43Yeah, it was recently.
14:44It was...
14:45It was like...
14:46Towards the middle and end of my school year.
14:48Okay.
14:49But I remember...
14:50That...
14:51For the last like six or eight weeks of high school, I didn't have a car.
14:55I gave it back to him.
14:56Because he...
14:57He would ask me to...
14:58I had sex with him and like...
14:59Like...
15:00Like...
15:01And I was just like, no.
15:02Definitely not.
15:03I was like, I'll let you touch me, but I'm not gonna do that.
15:06Like...
15:07It was a 2005, right?
15:10Yeah.
15:11The car was a Dodge Neon 2005 edition.
15:14He got it for me before the new year because I remember I got it.
15:17It was an edition that was a year.
15:19Well, there...
15:20They were supposed to come out.
15:22So if I got it...
15:23I obviously didn't get a 2006 because that's this year.
15:26I got a 2005 Neon in 2004.
15:29Seven miles on it when I got it.
15:31I got it.
15:32The car was awful.
15:33Okay.
15:38And that's the car that you used to drive to and bomb?
15:41I went to school.
15:42It was my friend.
15:43It was my friend.
15:44It was my friend.
15:45It was my friend.
15:46It was my friend.
15:47Yeah.
15:48What color was it?
15:51Like a neon blue.
15:53Like a really bright, bright, bright blue.
15:55It was really pretty.
15:56Not that makes a difference.
15:58And you gave it back?
15:59Yes.
16:00Was it after you graduated from high school or...?
16:03No, I gave it back before I graduated.
16:05It got too sticky for me.
16:08He wanted more than I was going to give.
16:11I didn't want to...
16:13I didn't want to suck a dick.
16:16I didn't want to have sex with them.
16:17I never did that.
16:19And I wanted to be able to walk away from this thing that I...
16:22Thing that I never did that.
16:24And I'm glad that I did.
16:25Okay.
16:26So I just gave it back.
16:27I found...
16:28I don't need a car.
16:30Okay.
16:31But I lied to him when I gave it back.
16:34I didn't want to burn my bruises because...
16:36He was a spectacular connection to that.
16:39Spectacular.
16:40Spectacular.
16:41Even if I didn't...
16:42Even when I didn't work for him.
16:43Until this day.
16:44He...
16:45Is still...
16:46He's still...
16:47I haven't talked to him in like a couple months.
16:50But...
16:51As far as he's...
16:53As far as he knows...
16:54He's...
16:55Well...
16:56I don't know how to...
16:57I'm sorry.
16:58Like a bunch of things are going through my head right now.
16:59I'm just getting a little tongue died.
17:01Um...
17:03If I called him today, he would give me as much money as I asked him for.
17:07He doesn't know that I hate him the way I do.
17:09So...
17:10I kept that connection.
17:11I figured if he used me, I'd be able to use him.
17:13Um...
17:14I hate to say that, but...
17:16I figured if I wanted to be using him, I could.
17:18Okay.
17:19Let me bring you back a little bit.
17:21Sure.
17:22Um...
17:23When did things start to escalate as far as...
17:28Things happening...
17:29When you were talking to each other.
17:31When you were talking to each other.
17:32I asked him whenever he wanted.
17:33I don't...
17:34I don't...
17:35I don't...
17:36I don't...
17:37I don't...
17:38I don't...
17:39I don't...
17:40I don't...
17:41I'm gonna...
17:42How...
17:43How...
17:44In the...
17:45In the little steps that...
17:46Right.
17:47Things progressed.
17:48Well...
17:49I went and I wouldn't take off my parents at first.
17:51and then he got me to get naked.
17:53Then he got me to let him love me.
17:56Then he got me to let him stick his fingers in me.
18:00Then he got me to let him go down on me.
18:04Then, um, that was pretty much the, the just of it,
18:15except this one time where he met me over the table
18:18and put him off in me without my submission.
18:22And I flipped out.
18:25And I don't, I'm sorry to ask you,
18:27but I don't count that as me having sex with him.
18:31And then he did that.
18:31I don't, I, cause I just told you
18:33that I never had sex with him.
18:34I never did.
18:35You know, I don't know if you'd consider that,
18:39but he then, I go, what are you doing?
18:41He goes, oh, I just want to see this.
18:44Or I just want to get to see this.
18:47I'm sorry.
18:47I got to take it with you.
18:48I got to take it with you.
18:51Let me, let me back you up.
18:55I'm sorry.
18:56Um, when you were completely naked,
19:00the same things happened.
19:01You went in, you were misused.
19:04Sometimes I didn't even do that.
19:06Sometimes he was asking me to take off my clothes.
19:08And like, he'd have to do work.
19:11He'd be sitting in his desk or something.
19:12And I just been naked.
19:15They're watching television.
19:16They're reading a book that I'd be naked.
19:17Or, um, sometimes he wanted to just watch TV or read.
19:23And he'd lay in his bed.
19:24And he asked me to just take my clothes off and lay with them.
19:27And that's it.
19:28Not touching or anything.
19:29And I'd get paid for $300 for 20 minutes.
19:31Um, sometimes he'd just invite me over for breakfast or dinner or to tea or something cool.
19:39And I'd get paid for that too.
19:41Okay.
19:44I'd get paid just to hang out with them.
19:46That's it.
19:47And if, if the money wasn't there, I would not, I wouldn't have ever been in that house.
19:53Okay.
19:54Um, when he started to touch you, um.
20:02I have a question.
20:05Yeah.
20:06Before I say anything else.
20:07Um.
20:08Is there a possibility that I'm going to have to go to court or anything?
20:12Like, that's a possibility, right?
20:13Well, here's the thing.
20:15When this is all said and done, we're going to sit down and we're going to discuss this.
20:17I mean, what he did to you was a crime.
20:20I'm not allowed to you.
20:21Would you consider it rape?
20:22Like, would you consider that to be rape, what he did?
20:25When he put that, to put himself inside you without permission.
20:29I didn't say yes or anything.
20:31He just, like, I was standing up and the table is about, like, my hip length.
20:36That, that, that, that is a crime.
20:39Okay.
20:40That is a crime.
20:41I don't want my family to find out about this.
20:43My family doesn't know any of this.
20:44My mom thinks I was his secretary for two years.
20:47Or, however, a year and a half.
20:50My mom thinks I made phone calls for him and that's why I was making my great money.
20:53That's it.
20:55I don't kind of know.
20:56You're an adult.
20:58You're an adult now.
20:59Well, I mean, if I, whatever, I don't know.
21:02Just, I'm sorry.
21:02Go ahead.
21:04Um, well, we're, well, we're done with this interview.
21:09We'll discuss this further and we'll decide.
21:13Because Stephanie's going to bet me.
21:15You guys realize that, right?
21:16He's going to find, he's going to figure this out.
21:19And he's going to, I want faith now.
21:22You understand that?
21:22I want faith now.
21:23He is not the person that he's portraying himself to be.
21:29Well, well.
21:29What did he say?
21:30Did I say?
21:31Because he said he's hurt people before?
21:34Well, I've heard him address the people on the telephone.
21:36Yeah, of course.
21:37Is this wise or you're going to die?
21:38You're going to break your legs or?
21:40All of the above.
21:41But that's not the point.
21:42Who are you talking to?
21:44I'm not on the other end.
21:45I don't know.
21:47I, I don't know.
21:48I've heard those conversations.
21:50I mean, I've been in a room when he was on the phone, which is like Bill Clinton.
21:52Like, I've witnessed lots of things.
21:55I just want to know, this is still what y'all want to know.
21:58Everything.
21:59I used to go there every day.
22:01Like, I will, I don't, I don't know how many other girls he was saying, you're my favorite.
22:04I want you to live with me too.
22:06But I was in a spot as deep as you can get.
22:10You had quite a few girls that you would say that to us.
22:14And I always, I thought so crameless, you know.
22:17Yeah, I've got a few girls that you would say that to us.
22:21But, when did you smoke the last time you saw him?
22:23Um, before, before this summer.
22:37So, like, June, May or June?
22:38When you get the call back?
22:39When sometimes you graduate?
22:41Mm-hmm.
22:41When, when did that incident?
22:42So, maybe a little after I got taken.
22:44I don't know.
22:44When did that incident happen where he backed you over the table?
22:50I remember.
22:51He said it would have been like a year ago.
22:53It was, probably in, like, somewhere in the middle of the time that I worked there.
23:04It was definitely before December.
23:06Did you get that?
23:07You were 17 when you did that too?
23:08Oh, yeah, I was.
23:09Definitely.
23:11Definitely.
23:13We're going to get to that in just a minute.
23:16Getting back to when you were naked.
23:18Okay.
23:19And you were buying the massages.
23:20And then we were legitimate massages, either.
23:23I don't want to be in trouble for anything.
23:26No, no, no.
23:26I'm telling you, you are not a suspect in any way, shape, or form.
23:30I am not.
23:30I don't have cops.
23:32So, I just, like, I've had that, I've had a bad experience.
23:36So, I just wanted to be clear on that.
23:39I'm telling you right now that I didn't even bring handcuffs with me.
23:42No, I, I, I mentioned it to somebody that, I didn't say anything, but I mentioned it that I had to go talk to police about something that was personal.
23:53And he, God, would flip out if he knew I was talking about this specific stuff with anybody.
24:00But, um, he was just like, make sure that you're not going getting investigated.
24:04I'm going to show you, you know.
24:12When I'm a doctor, we'll go.
24:13Do you have any formal massage training?
24:16All right.
24:19I was just, just asking, um,
24:23when we were providing the massages,
24:25and things started to escalate,
24:28um,
24:31when he started to touch you, you said it earlier,
24:34with his hands,
24:35or with something else?
24:36With his hands.
24:37Um,
24:39I remember,
24:42he was like,
24:43he would kiss me and stuff, too.
24:45I remember that, um,
24:47and when he kissed me,
24:49like, if he was
24:50kissing off, he would,
24:52he would, like,
24:53rub himself,
24:54like, on my breath.
24:56And I, you know,
24:57feel like,
24:58I,
24:58not,
24:59I don't,
25:00I don't know how to make it sound.
25:02Yeah,
25:03I was extremely uncomfortable,
25:04and I would maneuver myself away from that activity.
25:08Um,
25:10I'd, like,
25:10just,
25:11I'd get up and I'd move somewhere else,
25:12or I'd,
25:13I don't even remember.
25:14I would,
25:15whatever was going on without saying,
25:17to get the fuck off me.
25:19I would,
25:19I would stop it without saying stuff like that.
25:22Okay.
25:22Just with my actions.
25:24Yeah,
25:24he would touch it with his hands.
25:26And did he touch it with anything else?
25:29I just told you,
25:30he touched it with his penis.
25:31I know.
25:32I mean,
25:32all boys,
25:33or?
25:34Oh,
25:34yeah.
25:35Yeah.
25:36Okay.
25:36Can you describe?
25:37He used to have a bath massage thing,
25:43that it was like a ball on the end,
25:46and it vibrated.
25:48And he would do that.
25:50And then,
25:51for his birthday,
25:54he and I went shopping,
25:57and,
25:57um,
25:58we got a bunch of toys,
26:00which,
26:01I don't know how to tell you guys all this stuff,
26:04but that you think that I enjoyed this.
26:06Like,
26:07because I had a choice,
26:08whether or not to go shopping with her.
26:10I made this decision.
26:11I'm the one who did this stuff.
26:14So it doesn't mean that I'm not right about it.
26:17Um,
26:17but yeah.
26:18We,
26:19he was lost for it on the end.
26:20Like,
26:20I don't know.
26:21Specifically,
26:21y'all want to know.
26:22Like,
26:23change all the time.
26:26Everything.
26:26Like,
26:26whatever,
26:27whatever was there.
26:28If you want to do something else,
26:29you can use whatever was there.
26:32Vikers.
26:32What kind of,
26:33what color vibrators would you be using?
26:36There's white and like,
26:38maybe it was like this color,
26:40but like blue,
26:41like,
26:41you see the gray and it's a grayish on the pipe.
26:44Right.
26:45The pipe.
26:45Like,
26:46gray was like a little bit more blue,
26:48like that.
26:49Okay.
26:49And it had a white,
26:50like,
26:50um,
26:51it had like a white handle and it had a ball on the end.
26:53And this was getting back to the sizes.
26:54Um,
26:56and then there was kind of red one.
27:01And that's been a library.
27:04Then,
27:06track on some play also as well.
27:11Everything.
27:12Any photo you can think of with a view is funny.
27:17And I'm not,
27:18definitely not by my choice.
27:19It was like,
27:20oh,
27:20it's there.
27:21It's happening now.
27:21He's going to stop him.
27:26Hey,
27:27listen on that.
27:27I'm good with that.
27:28Yeah.
27:29Yeah,
27:29definitely.
27:30Before I let him,
27:32um,
27:33like,
27:33before things to go to where I would let him touch me,
27:36I would not let him do anything to me,
27:39even with stuff that wasn't attached to his body.
27:42I said no for a very long time.
27:44And so he upped it by like a hundred or two hundred dollars.
27:48You know?
27:48And you're saying strap-ons.
27:52You're eager to strap-on?
27:54No,
27:55but he probably wouldn't use that.
27:57Um,
27:58sorry,
27:58I'm just trying to make it.
27:59Um,
28:03well,
28:04I don't know if you would count like him.
28:06He never actually put it on,
28:09but
28:10it was him
28:11in the bedroom
28:13and
28:14we were all in bed together
28:16and I was messing around with her.
28:18You know?
28:19And he was watching and
28:21At his request?
28:27Every time except one time was at his request.
28:30The time that it was not his request was on his birthday.
28:33And instead of getting paid $300,
28:35I got paid like
28:36five,
28:39six hundred dollars.
28:39Um,
28:41it was a gift,
28:42I guess
28:42you could call it a gift
28:43from me.
28:45Um,
28:46and we went shopping at
28:47this,
28:49like,
28:49sex place
28:50and,
28:52um,
28:52we bought a bunch of stuff
28:54and then
28:55we just
28:56went at it
28:58and sent it from
28:59and
29:00I don't know.
29:02It's not like I was enjoying it either.
29:04Like,
29:04in my mind,
29:05I'm like,
29:05oh,
29:05when this is over,
29:07we're getting so much money.
29:08Like,
29:08that's what I would think of.
29:09I just close my eyes
29:10and think of something else.
29:14Okay.
29:17Let's get to the point
29:18where he's actually
29:19inserting his
29:20fingers
29:21inside you.
29:24Um,
29:24at what point
29:26from
29:26when he started just
29:27touching you
29:29to the point
29:29where he actually
29:30put his fingers
29:30inside you?
29:31you know,
29:33once in the beginning
29:34and at the time
29:36I was,
29:36um,
29:37meeting somebody
29:38and that person
29:38was aware
29:39of what I did
29:40um,
29:41and was like,
29:42this person,
29:43by the way,
29:43who said
29:44this stuff
29:44that I'm about to tell you
29:45is like,
29:46now a crackhead
29:47like,
29:47on drugs
29:48so they're
29:48way waxed.
29:50They're like,
29:50crazy.
29:51And he was actually
29:52like,
29:52and he goes,
29:52and I had no problem
29:53with it
29:54as long as he's not
29:54putting anything
29:55inside of you.
29:56I don't really care.
29:58Yeah,
29:58so
29:59during that
30:00time,
30:01like,
30:02I wouldn't let
30:02Jeffrey
30:02do anything
30:04but after me
30:05and the kid
30:05broke up,
30:06he offered me
30:07like,
30:08okay,
30:09hold on,
30:09let me better
30:09explain this
30:10because it's
30:10going to be
30:10confusing
30:11when I was
30:11into it.
30:13Um,
30:15I
30:18wouldn't let
30:19him
30:20put anything
30:22in me
30:22until one day
30:24he did
30:25just out of
30:26nowhere
30:26and I said,
30:28wait a second,
30:28my boyfriend,
30:30you know,
30:30we have this
30:31thing,
30:31you can't do
30:32that,
30:32you know,
30:32I'm allowed
30:33to work here
30:34as long as
30:35you don't do
30:36that.
30:36And he said,
30:37okay.
30:38So a couple
30:38months later,
30:40I guess he
30:40assumed me
30:41and my boyfriend
30:41had broken up
30:42and he just
30:44did it
30:44one day.
30:45He just did
30:46it without
30:46asking or
30:47anything.
30:48And then I
30:48said,
30:48what are you
30:48doing?
30:49I said,
30:49you know,
30:50that's not
30:50cool.
30:51He goes,
30:51oh,
30:51I thought we
30:51did that
30:52last time.
30:52And I
30:52said,
30:53no,
30:53we did
30:53not do
30:54that last
30:54time.
30:55And then
30:55he goes,
30:58then he
30:58just offered
30:59me more
30:59money.
31:00He's like,
31:01well,
31:01why don't I
31:02just give
31:02you something
31:03extra and
31:03we can try
31:04this out?
31:05And I
31:05was like,
31:07all right.
31:08Very hard
31:09guy to say
31:09most.
31:10I don't know
31:10if any of you
31:10have ever
31:11talked to him.
31:12I haven't
31:13talked with
31:14him.
31:15If you
31:16talked to
31:16him,
31:17he straight
31:17up tries
31:18to control
31:18the situation.
31:19Every word
31:20that comes
31:20into your
31:21mouth,
31:21it seems
31:21like he
31:22already
31:22knows what
31:22you're
31:22going to
31:22say.
31:24That's
31:24his job.
31:24That's how
31:25he made
31:25his money
31:25is knowing
31:26what people
31:26are going
31:27to do.
31:28What did
31:28he tell you
31:29he does
31:29to a
31:29limit?
31:30Well,
31:32there's a
31:32couple of
31:32things.
31:33Things that
31:33I found
31:34by myself,
31:35things that
31:35I've looked
31:36up on the
31:36internet.
31:38What he
31:38specifically
31:39told me
31:39when I asked
31:40him the
31:40first time
31:41was,
31:41I'm a
31:42brain
31:42scientist.
31:43I said,
31:43what the
31:43fuck is
31:44a brain
31:44scientist?
31:45I was
31:45like,
31:46that's not
31:46a real
31:47job.
31:48Tell me
31:48the truth.
31:49Anyway,
31:49I picked
31:50that.
31:51He told
31:51me his
31:52explanation
31:52is,
31:53it's my
31:53job to
31:54know how
31:54people's
31:54brains work.
31:55I said,
31:56whatever the
31:57fuck that
31:57means.
31:57I went
31:59home.
32:00I looked
32:01up on
32:01the internet
32:01about him.
32:03He worked
32:05for a
32:07financial
32:08firm.
32:09He would
32:09invest
32:10other
32:10people's
32:10money.
32:11People
32:11signed
32:11their
32:11fortunes
32:12over to
32:12him.
32:13He
32:13invested
32:13and he
32:14gets
32:14tuition
32:14off
32:14of
32:14the
32:14money
32:15that
32:15they
32:15make.
32:17I know
32:18that he
32:18himself,
32:19besides
32:19investing
32:20other
32:20people's
32:20fortunes,
32:21he's
32:22invested
32:22all his
32:22money.
32:23He runs
32:23tons of
32:23companies,
32:25sports teams,
32:26stuff like
32:27that.
32:27He makes
32:27his money
32:27everywhere.
32:29He does
32:31a lot of
32:31modeling
32:31stuff with
32:33modeling
32:33agencies.
32:33and I
32:35know that
32:35he's
32:36involved
32:36and stuff
32:36like that
32:37also.
32:40He promised
32:41me,
32:42I think
32:43the reason
32:43I held
32:43on so
32:44long is
32:44he promised
32:45me that
32:45I would
32:46get into
32:46NYU.
32:47I would
32:48get into
32:48NYU and
32:49he would
32:49pay for
32:49it.
32:51I waited
32:51and I
32:52waited and
32:52I scored
32:53great on
32:54my SATs.
32:55I got
32:554.0.
32:57I did
32:57great in
32:58school.
32:59I filled
32:59out my
32:59application
33:00and he
33:00told me
33:01that it
33:01wasn't
33:01good
33:01enough.
33:04I filled
33:04it out
33:05again and
33:06it was
33:06like three
33:07times.
33:08I'm pretty
33:08sure he
33:09wasn't
33:09checking
33:09into it.
33:10He was
33:10just telling
33:11me what
33:11he was.
33:13I think
33:13it has
33:14a lot
33:14to do
33:14with the
33:14reason I
33:15say this
33:15along.
33:16My dream
33:17was the
33:17greatest
33:17enemy.
33:19Aside from
33:25having been
33:27with,
33:31was there
33:32anybody else
33:32that you
33:32brought to
33:33the house?
33:34I thought
33:35a few
33:35people.
33:39He
33:40put me
33:40actually
33:41because
33:41they got
33:42out that
33:42I did
33:42this.
33:43Everyone
33:44talked
33:44knew.
33:45Everyone
33:46talked.
33:47It was
33:47a circle.
33:48It was
33:48a little
33:49circle.
33:49One girl
33:50told me
33:51to do
33:52this.
33:55Not that I
33:58would want
33:58anybody to
33:59get involved
34:00in this
34:00day.
34:00I brought
34:01girls I
34:01didn't like
34:01and really
34:02frankly did
34:02not give
34:03a shit
34:03about.
34:04Girls that
34:04I knew
34:05were
34:05stanked
34:06that would
34:06do
34:06anything.
34:09Girls that
34:09would just
34:10stuck in
34:11the bathroom
34:11at school.
34:13Not even
34:13people I
34:14was friends
34:14with.
34:14I just
34:15hear a
34:16rumor about
34:16a girl.
34:17They're
34:17like,
34:17hey,
34:18I know
34:18you can
34:19make
34:19$200.
34:20I would
34:20tell them
34:20this is
34:22what you
34:23got to
34:23do.
34:23Are you
34:24cool with
34:24this?
34:24I'm not
34:24going to
34:25take you
34:25if you're
34:25not.
34:26I told
34:26them they
34:27all knew
34:27I got
34:27paid to
34:28bring them.
34:28It was
34:29after
34:30she took
34:34off her
34:34shirt.
34:35She was
34:35a little
34:35overweight.
34:36He didn't
34:36want me.
34:37It was my
34:37best sense.
34:38she was
34:41another
34:41story.
34:41I did
34:42care about
34:42her.
34:44She lost
34:45her house
34:46and really
34:46needed money.
34:47She had
34:48two
34:48clothes.
34:48She had
34:48another
34:49to go.
34:50She did
34:51it out of
34:51desperation.
34:54The only
34:55people I
34:55can think
34:55of was
34:56I don't
34:59think I
35:00ever
35:00actually
35:00bought
35:00other
35:01people.
35:02Did
35:03anything
35:03happen
35:03between
35:04you and
35:04the two
35:05girls that
35:05you
35:05brought
35:05there?
35:06She was
35:07really
35:07nervous.
35:08She wanted
35:09me to
35:09go on
35:09with her.
35:10I stayed
35:11with her.
35:12I took
35:13all my
35:13clothes off
35:13and I
35:14did my
35:14regular
35:14thing.
35:15She just
35:16took her
35:16shirt off.
35:17She said
35:18I'm going
35:19to finish
35:20up here.
35:21She went
35:24downstairs
35:24and went
35:24to me.
35:25She got
35:28paid
35:28$200 or
35:30$300.
35:31Probably
35:32$200 because
35:32it was her
35:33first time.
35:33The way
35:34it went
35:34was if
35:35you worked
35:35there for
35:36the first
35:36three times
35:37you got
35:37$200.
35:38After
35:39that you
35:40were
35:40persistent
35:40and worked
35:41all the
35:41time.
35:42On
35:42average
35:43$200,
35:43sometimes
35:43I got
35:44paid
35:44$1,000
35:44just for
35:46the same
35:46thing.
35:47No
35:47varying
35:47in
35:48activities.
35:49Sometimes
35:49I'd walk
35:50out of there
35:50with $1,000
35:51and I got
35:52lots of
35:53gifts.
35:53I got lots
35:54of stuff
35:54from this
35:54guy.
35:56I don't
35:57know.
35:58What do
35:59I do?
36:02He just
36:03went up in
36:03the room and
36:04did her thing
36:04and she
36:04continued to
36:05work for him
36:05afterwards.
36:06I don't
36:06know.
36:07I don't
36:07think she
36:07still does.
36:10She may.
36:10I don't
36:11know.
36:11You
36:19went quite
36:20a few
36:20times with
36:20the knee
36:21on it.
36:21You
36:21actually
36:21had an
36:22encounter
36:22with
36:23one of
36:23his
36:23doorman
36:24when you
36:25were
36:25coming
36:25to get
36:25in
36:25the
36:25show.
36:25That was
36:25in my
36:26Riata.
36:27I was
36:28in my
36:28Riata.
36:29I was
36:30coming to
36:30$2,000
36:31in it.
36:32My
36:32Christmas
36:33bonus.
36:35Oh my
36:36God.
36:36The cop
36:37actually was
36:37like,
36:38how do
36:38you know
36:38deathly?
36:39I was
36:39like,
36:40uh,
36:40I'm
36:41friends with
36:42his
36:42girlfriend.
36:42They use
36:43a school
36:43every once
36:44in a
36:44while or
36:44something.
36:46That was
36:47crazy.
36:47Yeah,
36:48he,
36:49the housekeeper
36:49just was
36:50expecting me,
36:51but he
36:51didn't know.
36:52He was
36:52gone when
36:52I arrived.
36:53And then
36:54he came
36:54home and
36:55saw that
36:56there was
36:56a car and
36:57he didn't
36:57realize that
36:58it was my
36:58car, but
36:58he was
36:59expecting
36:59me.
37:00So he
37:00called the
37:00police.
37:01I was
37:01like,
37:01what the
37:02fuck,
37:02man,
37:02I'm
37:02just
37:02coming
37:02here to
37:03pick up
37:03my money.
37:04But that
37:05was that.
37:10Let's
37:10get to
37:10the
37:10part
37:11where
37:11he's
37:14escalated.
37:17Let me
37:19go ahead and
37:21tape and
37:22it's
37:23what I'm
37:23going to
37:23film with
37:24the
37:24end.
37:27You don't
37:27have any
37:28information
37:28with your
37:29video.
37:29Okay.
37:30Okay,
37:30at this point,
37:31I'm going to
37:31go ahead and
37:31start the
37:32tape.
37:32The sound
37:32on my
37:32watch is
37:33possible in
37:335.02
37:342pm.
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