00:00My question to you is, when we look up for the map of India, there is so much of distortion and not only in media outlets but also at government level of certain countries, at military level of certain countries.
00:12Do you think that India needs to start this sort of a campaign for countries to understand that this is an integral part of India?
00:19Maharaj Ahri Singh handed over Kashmir and integrated, exceeded it to the dominion of India.
00:24So, do you think that we need to have this some sort of diplomacy going on in that sector also for countries to understand and recognize POK as an integral part of India?
00:35No, there is no doubt that, I mean, the whole world knows that Pakistan invaded initially through radars and directly through forces, J and K, which had exceeded to India.
00:48But we need to also flag four or five points here.
00:52Number one, Jammu and Kashmir exceeded to India, subject to Article 370.
01:00Now, integration is emotional.
01:04Integration is not a policy measure.
01:06The people of Jammu and Kashmir must feel that they are a part of India and they must feel that in their hearts and minds.
01:15Unfortunately, this may be a perspective different from many people in India, unfortunately, the decision to unilaterally remove Article 370 against the wishes of the people of India.
01:30You are talking about Kashmir being an integral part of India, the Kashmiris say we are an integral part of India.
01:37Kashmir's constitution, Article 1 of JNK's constitution, which has been now abolished on 5th of August 2019, says Jammu and Kashmir is a state of the Indian Union.
01:51These are the people of India, JNK, who are saying that, but unfortunately, whatever was promised to the JNK people, especially the Kashmiris, there were attempts.
02:04It's not just current dispensation from 2014, but even earlier, through what I would call a quad, you puppetized the regime, then JNK.
02:18How did you do that?
02:20Through massive rigging of election.
02:23After the arrest of Sheikh Abdullah in 1953, 9th of August, all elections were rigged until 1997, when Faruk Abdullah came back to power, after that horrible insurgency, which took so many lives, 40,000, 50,000 lives, whether of terrorists, whether of civilians, whether of our security forces.
02:47What was that?
02:48I mean, we cannot, we can't brush away what we went through from 1990, the tragedy of the Kashmiri pundits.
02:58I'm a Kashmiri pundit.
03:00Three lakh people are refugees in their own country.
03:07Why?
03:08And what have we done about them?
03:11This is a 35-year-old story.
03:14So, it's a very complex issue.
03:16The third is that, fine, now you are moving forward.
03:20The separatism had gone out.
03:23People began to see the power of the Indian rupee, the size of the Indian market, of which they were a part.
03:29Not that Kashmiris had never felt themselves a part.
03:33But then targeting of Kashmiri students in colleges and universities everywhere in India, as a result of article 370 abrogation.
03:44Thereafter denial of statehood.
03:49There is no, I mean, I can understand, okay, it is an ideological position of the ruling party.
03:56It has the majority, takes a view and says, okay, we will abolish article 370.
04:02You may have a ruling party four years of now or five years from now, which means, which means, sorry, we will revert to 370 being an article of the constitution.
04:14That can also happen.
04:16We are a democracy.
04:17But what is permanent is democracy, federalism, not doing anything to a people of 14 million people are residents of state of Jain.
04:33They must be consulted before you take a radical step like that.
04:37And that is what Pakistan has exploited.
04:40That is why the international understanding of Kutamu and Kashmir, your words and your question, that is why that has happened.
04:49There is less understanding because the whole world has seen that this was not something India should have done.
04:57There is no consultation process, but they are not saying it openly, that is another point, because that is diplomacy.
05:03But if you see the press, you see the international press, the situation on Kashmir, what I have told you, has been addressed in that.
05:11Third point, I was talking about those two issues.
05:14One was privatization of regimes.
05:16Two was, second was denial of democracy.
05:21Because if you rig elections, where is democracy?
05:24Third is insurgency resulting out of this as also a stealthy constitutionalism.
05:33Because all that had been promised under article 370 to the people of JNK was gradually clawed out from its mooring.
05:43Articles which were not to apply to JNK of the Indian constitution actually applied to JNK.
05:49That created this whole impulse of what could be termed, for whatever better word, separatism.
05:57But that separatism is also gone.
05:59After all, don't forget, we've just had elections in 2024 and you have a ruling party, the National Conference,
06:08come in with nearly 41 out of 90 seats.
06:13Whereas the ruling dispensation at the center, that has only 28 seats in that state.
06:19And rightfully, the National Conference formed the government.
06:23But what is the point of that government, which is supposedly meeting the aspirations of people of JNK who have voted them,
06:32being unable to do anything for them?
06:35Because this dual structure of a union territory with law and order and major things in line with the referendum governor,
06:42as conveyed by the ruling dispensation at the center, it's creating new resentment.
06:49And I'm not hesitating to say it in front of you, Hina or your viewers.
06:53There is new resentment in JNK, particularly among the youth.
06:58They feel humiliated.
07:00They feel they've been denied their freedoms and rights to democracy, rights to protest.
07:07The media is not free.
07:09So, it will take us a while.
07:10So, what is it?
07:11I'm not giving you, I'm not ending on a grim nominee.
07:14I want to convey to you, yourself, to your viewers, that the government of India needs to be more proactive,
07:23more creative, more imaginative, and more democratic, not just in terms of what the center does in the rest of India,
07:35but also what the center's policy are in Jammut Kashmir.
07:39Restoration of the statehood of JNK should be the highest priority because there has been no major,
07:48no major setback to security situation in JNK as a result of coming in of a democratic party,
07:57duly elected by people, being in power.
08:01So, I have tried my best to explain to you how the JNK issue is an extremely complex issue.
08:10It will need support of the people of JNK.
08:13It will need an imaginative policy by the center and the rest of Indian people for whom Kashmir is theirs.
08:22Kashmir is not just territory.
08:24Kashmiri is also people of Kashmir.
08:26And you know how they are all over.
08:29You go to any corner of India, there is always a Kashmiri presence.
08:32Either a carpet seller, a paper machine seller, or a hotel, or business.
08:38It's all in their hands.
08:40So, there is so much a part of us, as you rightly said, an integral part of India.
08:46But they must be emotionally and psychologically made to be an integral part.
08:54You go to a portion of India.
09:04In fact there is no glory to other people.
09:06In fact there is a desire to convince them where to voice over their voices.
09:08There is a desire to promote the influence.
09:10There are also people on a Credไผๆฅญ that have remained strong.
09:14And as always unified people are lovent ะบะพะฝัะต and so in the form of India.
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