The government says Maoism will end by March 2026 — but is that really possible? In this exclusive interview, former ADG BSF P.K. Mishra breaks down the truth behind India’s anti-Naxal strategy, the killing of top Maoist leader Madvi Hidma, and what it means for Left-Wing Extremism across Central India.
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00:00so viewers today i have with me pk mishra former additional director general of the bsf
00:15he's a key security expert in india and he has managed sensitive border areas and internal
00:21security challenges in india thank you so much sir for speaking with asianet news jahin nina
00:26this discussion will focus on the decline in the maoist insurgency in india now recently we saw
00:34the killing of madhvi hidma one of the most feared maoist leaders and a lot of people are discussing
00:40that how this is possibly a big turning point in our fight against the maoist insurgency how much
00:47do you think it will be a hit for the insurgency and do you think that it will now help us with
00:53greater force to disintegrate the entire movement yes you know i can well tell you uh hidma he was
01:01of course he belong he's the son of the soil of chathis god he's from sukma he's a 44 years old
01:07and uh i can well tell you he joined first cpi and then he joined uh maoist movement he was uh he
01:17became a central committee member and uh he was commanding the first plga battalion the gorilla
01:26army battalion in in nux allies and that is the biggest battalion operational battalion in the whole
01:33of red corridor and practically he was the mastermind of all operations big operations which were uh planned
01:42and which was which were executed all over in red corridor including that of talmetala and dati bada
01:50where in 2010 76 crpf personnel were were killed and then 2013 the jirabhati operation where 32 congress
02:00leaders were killed and then 2011 where another 25 crpf person were killed and 2021 also he killed in
02:10sukma bijapur road about 22 uh police personnel he was he was in fact a terror and in all the tribal
02:19area because he was the king of dandakaranya buster and also abu smart and he was the only member in
02:28central committee from buster and dandakaranya division and anywhere weapons were smashed and recovered and
02:37recovered from and snatched from from security forces by nuxa lights that used to go to hitma's plj number
02:45one plj battalion that was i had been to uh i mean jiram gati just uh three days after the incident
02:55happened in 2013 and i know how in my plant with 350 nuxa lights there in numbers and they skipped very
03:03nicely through tulsi degree to uh odisha in malkangiri they escaped to another state now as because after
03:13this karaigura operation in april which continued for 21 days and the biggest operation in the history of
03:22security forces in india there 31 fossilites were killed and hitma was also there but hitma had
03:29five layer security and he could manage to escape from that place then of course vasov rau's raju was
03:37killed with 26 more civilians who were noxialites in satish guard there also hitma was there and there
03:45also hitma escaped head was i mean he was a great uh person he knew the terrain the best part of it he
03:53knew the terrain and he knew he knew all the rules and uh how to escape in an operation and then what
04:01happened benugopal surrendered uh at the gut zero lead he requested hitma please surrender come to
04:09mukhya dhara and come back but he didn't bother for benugopal's messages then his mother was contacted
04:19his mother requested sent a message hitma's mother hitma please come back leave the weapons live this
04:26thing and come back come back to your home i am waiting he refused to come back he thought perhaps
04:33after so many persons were the leaders were killed and so many persons were apprehended and
04:39not a lot of leaders surrendered he may lead whole up for luxallites all over india that is what he
04:46thought but the way satish guard security forces they started operating all over places we had about
04:57more than 100 forwarding operate operation bases in dandakaryana buster and abu smar where they were
05:05dominating we entered there and opened the camps the he had no other option than to escape to andram
05:13yeah he tried to escape he tried to escape with his wife rajay rajaka she was also along with him and
05:21another another four nationalite leaders they all six of them they were escaping from satish got to
05:28andhra to get shelter there but this information this intelligence could come to security forces and
05:36telingana police and telingana police greyhound including andhra police odisha police and satish got
05:42police they all surrounded him in meredudumili forest of aluri district in odisha andhra
05:50butter satish got butter in the trijunction and the contact continued from six six o'clock and the firing
05:59started from six o'clock morning and that all the end of hidma hidma was killed along with his wife
06:06and other four nuxallites that is what i am telling after hidma was killed plja battalion the biggest
06:16battalion the operational battalion of four nuxallites and the maoist they don't have a leader
06:22there is no young leader who can lead plja battalion and most of the weapons have been surrendered
06:30yeah and they don't they don't have a place to recruit the tribals are not interested to
06:37to be recruited into maozim and nuxallites and they don't have a training place also to give them
06:44the training and they don't have an instructor they had the improvised explosive device instructor
06:51that is a maturi jokha rau called tech tech sankar and this tech sankar the leader he was also the
07:01central committee member of andhra odisha border the next day in the same forest in the same district
07:09he was with another another six nuxallites with three women nuxallites they were also trying to escape
07:16and the next day again firing continued from six to seven one hour and the tech sankar was killed
07:25along with six more nuxallites including three three women nuxallites so that is the end of uh
07:33and i'm telling operational capability of nuxallites they cannot have any force to to go direct to
07:42ambush security forces or direct to open fire they just had don't have the capability now what they
07:49can do if few persons are there they will go for placing improvised explosive devices in a place
07:59with pressure switch so that bachan security forces they go on that road or track they may be blasted
08:06that's different so that happens everywhere in india but uh they are finished now and what uh mr amissa
08:14and our honorable prime minister they they gave that verdict that you see by 31st this of 31st march 26
08:22and then amisha haji told before 30th november i want hidma to be apprehended or i want hidma to surrender
08:32or i want hidma to be killed and this happened 12 days before 30th of november 2025 and i'm very sure
08:42what our noble prime minister has thought that india will be nakshal mukt bharat that's a nakshal mukt bharat
08:50it may happen by 31st december 2025 because hidma has gone and operational capability that has gone to
09:00zero devuji is now he is now pondering he is now running away they're running away he will be killed
09:08or to be caught or he may surrender any time now the family of devuji is saying that he has been
09:14apprehended but the police has denied it yes there was a statement by by his family and it came out
09:22that the day that the next day when uh tech sankar was killed information came that devuji also was
09:29killed but all the seven dead bodies they were identified and devuji is still there and he is
09:37he is there and that's all but devuji cannot lead plgf first battalion he has no operational capability
09:45but devuji will be caught devuji will surrender they have no other option and the best part of it
09:51now i will tell you this first plgf battalion personnel so-called nationalites with weapons
09:58they are giving a message that we are ready to surrender the surrender policy of chatti shikhar
10:04government is such which was adopted by odisha and all other states the way they are looking after
10:13those surrendering nationalites and their families definitely the plga battalion first battalion
10:19personnel will surrender with arms they have other option uh sir uh you talked about venu gopal uh aka
10:28sonu uh when he surrendered we thought that um you know madhvi hidma will also fall in place but he
10:36continued to have this different ideological path uh now of course we are killing the leaders but
10:42how much rampant this ideology is in that red corridor uh the so-called red corridor uh because
10:50even if we kill the leaders these ideological bases will continue to exist so how will we be able to
10:55decimate it completely hina i will tell you i am the person who was directly involved in wiping out
11:05maoism and duxalism in west bengal in 1972-73-74 that charu majumdash group who created maoism in india and
11:19there were three officers which did then igp at that time there was no post of dg police in india they
11:26were ig police the ig police chief justice and chief secretary they all combined and they all combined
11:35and they selected three officers in three districts 24 parganaj bardhaman and nadia
11:41they selected three outside officers of bengal and they told what you may do whatever you like
11:48we want to excelism to be over in bengal and in 1974 naksalism was totally zero in west bengal and his
11:58operational commander like like hidma in chathis guard mora sarkar was killed by the person who is
12:07speaking to him now at santipur phulia in nadia district i was just in the other time yeah and that
12:14is how i have seen but they had ideology you know they had ideology and they were fighting for a cause
12:22here in red corridor they were not fighting for a cause it is violence there are criminals
12:29they were getting weapons from china they were getting weapons from manmar they were getting funds
12:35from urban noxials they were getting funds from raipur capital they were getting france from calcutta they
12:45were getting france from delhi and they were getting funds for through jnu that is called jawaharlal
12:51nehru university in delhi these all areas they were covered with urban gorillas and they were helping them
12:58with protection with the law and also giving them funds and also ensuring at the weapons they come
13:08from china and marmar that was the policy of this urban gorillas now what happened this area this funding
13:18system that has been totally stopped number two the funding of the proxy groups by china is completely
13:25stopped totally now no funds can go to them there is no bank no place where they can get the fund and
13:34there is no person who can receive the fund also number two the weapons coming from marmar and china
13:40totally it is blocked they cannot send even a small pistol also to natural areas that is totally blocked
13:49not urban urban gary urban naxalites we know who are the persons in our headquarters have been such
13:56capitals of various states and the india india's capital they are also being vast no question of any
14:04funds or anything going to them so i'm very sure naxalism will be definitely ousted in india they don't
14:12have have an aim they don't they are not charum ajumdar they are they are not charum ajumdar that they
14:20are having an aim so that they will be there with the mass they were getting the getting the you see
14:27the mass with them by force the drivers were there with them by force because the drivers they knew if
14:35they don't help them they will be killed and all our informers were killed also so nobody was giving
14:42coming up to inform us our informers were not there in the field and we were operating on the roads main
14:50roads and we used to go inside the forest do some operations and come back now then we we changed the
14:57tactics we entered their area we the technicality came to security forces communication improved road
15:08communication improved i'm telling you about the our communication we had the communication from drones
15:15direct to the ground to the operational parties and our troops suppose they get can they get a casualty
15:23they are they got casualty we we started evacuating them through helicopter then we started heli heli
15:30bound operations and then what happened all the interstate border they were totally blocked there are
15:38still certain areas as far as we see in the reports which are still disconnected uh the villages are still
15:45disconnected and so these evacuations these are largely happening with the help of helicopters so there is
15:50still a lack of infrastructure in those areas the tribals at least who have been stuck in between the
15:56security forces and these maoist leaders they will aspire for infrastructure education the overall
16:03socio-economic development yes you know it's a very big point which you have stated you see maozim
16:11cannot be finished with weapons by security forces it is only 10 percent you will win the hearts of the
16:20the people if you go for development i have seen the the condition of uh uh chattis god area maybe in
16:30jerambhati maybe in darbaghati maybe interesting for me maybe in kanker those areas i visited in 2013 i went
16:40inside also to tulsi degree things were pretty bad people were not coming out to hopefully to the security
16:47forces and our plan to the government they were i've been crying for help they didn't have anything to
16:54do even the tribals they were not even getting the getting the uh see like tendu leaves and other fruits
17:02of those areas they were not getting it there were contractors who were borrowing it and uh no development
17:09works were done and we were only there in india i mean in on the roads we had the camps that is what we
17:18suffered now i just visited this year i have gone twice to chattiskar i have seen the development in
17:26kanker i have seen the development in dantivada i have seen the development in the buster i have gone to
17:34malkanigiri also in odisha to see the development things are pretty good and we are now taking all
17:41the young boys and girls having seven those who are seventh part even they are they are not educated
17:49we are now going to teach them also in our schools and we want to take them and attack them so that they
17:55can enter our forces because they are sun in the soil you see the drg when it was fought the drg they
18:02consist of all the tribes from that area i am very sure when when road communication they are improving
18:13all the villages one by one we are adopting and development in communication development in education
18:20development in health development in corporate development in and everything is taking place
18:26things will change but those areas where we have already gone inside in the karyana buster and
18:34agusmar the state government masonry they must go inside and start their operation that is called
18:44another civil oppression i call it civil oppression that is all this development that is what honorable prime
18:51minister tell because until and unless you don't do that civilians will not come to you because they
18:57have not seen the world they do not know anything i'm very sure i have talked to them several times
19:04they don't get anything you know the sugar was sugar was 75 rupees a kg that's what in 2013 i was checking
19:11that time it was 75 rupees a kg in tulsi dubri and those areas where i have gone i have gone like you i
19:18didn't go as a police officer i went as a journalist with a separate telephone with chapel and i didn't
19:25take any any help from anybody so i went to tulsi dubri and there i found they never get any
19:31relation and government relation or anything so they were so that is how it has reached them now our
19:38battalion our forwarding of forward operating bases we also receive those items from state masonry's
19:45association and all we also help in distributing it to the villagers villagers as per their need as
19:52per their quality and quantity concerned we give them and the best part of it a lot of them are being
20:00taken in state masonry's also not only in police forces they are being taken in civil civil areas also
20:08particularly in the health sector education sector a lot of ladies have been employed and the young girls
20:15we are we are we thought of teaching them because you see the buster olympics did come up the buster
20:22olympics has also helped them now the best part of it the ladies and the young girls in those areas
20:29they must come up i am i salute to those ladies in tribal ladies they are telling their children please
20:36don't they are not telling they are forcing their children go and study you will get a job don't go
20:43to these in excels they have already humiliated us they have already killed a lot of us now this is the
20:50final thing we not not even our children should ever join maozim maozim is going to be finished
20:58and the best part of it i request all the states they must their civil organizations must enter penetrate
21:07to those areas where we are they are with our forwarding basis and they must start developing
21:14developing in every respect so that we take the help we get the help of those tribals tribals
21:20our son of the soil let us first look after them i'll give you here now one one example in sunabada
21:28korapur dhandakaranya when in 1971 we had war with bangladesh about 50 to 60 000 bangladesh bangladesh
21:39refugees they entered and they were settled in dhandakaranya by our honorable so-called prime minister
21:48then in 1971 i mean beginning of 1972 anyway you will come to know who was the prime minister and
21:56what happened there what happened there we they removed all those tribals from that area and they gave land
22:05they gave i mean cows they gave blocks to all these bangladesh migrants and sending them out this
22:13this our own tribals but they will do that they became nuxilites this is not the way for for bangladesh
22:22refugees our people suffer tribals were not looked after we thought perhaps they are from some other
22:29country that is what they also thought about us that we are their enemy we get all the facilities but
22:36they don't get anything that is what noxology man mahojim it flourished in and in red corridor and now
22:44the red corridor is not there in 11 11 districts i am very sure it has gone down to nine districts
22:51as yeah earlier it was in more than 180 i think 150 yes it is now nine it's not 11 as it was told uh
23:00during the hitbox encounter now it is nine districts and those nine districts all our forces are now
23:07entering we are getting more forces there and we're entering we'll ensure these these all nine districts
23:13will be free of biology very soon there is a criticism of how recruitment happens in drg what are we going to
23:19do with those uh forces once we get rid of this insurgency uh i'll tell you uh you know uh we had
23:28similar type of salma and all in kasmir also yeah and and i had a number of militants they were working
23:39with me and and those militants also they joined me in making a small film you know you can see a film
23:47called para gulsan apna it is of uh uh it's a film uh it was it was there during operation time yeah
23:57that was in 2000 uh i mean 1995-96 that was made by money shankar he could not do it because it was all
24:06totally militant militancy affected area so then i told money it was a prime minister mr nursing house project
24:15i told money come down i'll help you i had a number of uh militants whom i caught i asked them
24:24you you will be the you will participate in this film they were very happy the families they were very
24:30happy they couldn't find out the hero so a very senior police officer who is speaking to you now
24:37in your channel just now he was the hero of the movie and in fact it was broadcasted every day
24:51in dd news that time for two years it continued it was on customer militancy so all these militants they
24:58joined they came to forefront and i am very sure similar way we will get the help and let us
25:07help those tribals in every respect the tribals they are they are they are from our family we should
25:14not think that they are outsiders let's go there let's educate them free of cost we should have the
25:22schools free of cost and let them let them be educated and get the get the service everywhere and
25:30that's also they will come up and i know a lot of mobile towers all over for our providing our
25:38bases those who are there the mobile towers are already there the road communication already there
25:43but we are making helipads also where why you are making helipads in those interior areas still you
25:49were telling henna there are some places where we cannot reach we have to develop we are now making helipads
25:56there so that our troops can go and land they will have a helipad operations they will go and we will
26:02clear that area so that the civilian civil authority can penetrate to those areas for development i am very
26:10sure the way funds are coming the way all the states are it is not the central government versus state
26:18governments or upon opposition government no every state government is is there with central government
26:25as far as maoism is concerned in those areas all are helping even the madam month of energy also they
26:32are cooperating and this is a combined effort for because development in tribal areas and we have to
26:40do it if we don't do it i am sure this 31st march will never take place it will never be done let's go
26:48our mental 90 percent result we'll get if we just adopt those drivers and develop them develop their
26:57areas 10 percent with weapons not with uh this this area if we don't reach there if we don't
27:05remain in their heart we don't win their heart we cannot remove my vision certainly not
27:18it's much longer for those people to come to see them are in this area right now
27:23and then they have to take it in the future and keep it in the future
27:27I just want to wait a minute to see my attention to it
27:31so this is going to be like a couple of minutes
27:33so, you know just some people can take a minute and change it to me
27:36and I think that these people can take a minute
27:41my love is going to be successful
27:43so I'm going to be very happy
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