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00:00Oh, yeah.
00:30Hi, welcome back, everyone.
00:43My name is Charlie Penn.
00:44I am the Relationships and Wellness Director here at Essence.
00:47I know that right now, staying sane feels impossible.
00:51It's like the hardest thing to do.
00:52So we invited mental health advocate, best-selling author, star radio and TV personality, Charlamagne
00:57the God.
00:58Charlamagne, hi.
00:59How are you?
01:00Peace, Charly.
01:01How are you?
01:02Welcome.
01:03I'm trying.
01:04That's what I've been telling people.
01:05I'm trying.
01:06How are you?
01:07I am blessed black and highly favored.
01:09I love it.
01:10How are you doing right now?
01:12How are you feeling as someone who's been very open about their journey with anxiety and
01:17stress and mental health?
01:19How are you coping?
01:20Because seriously, we know these are unprecedented times.
01:24Strangely, I haven't had any panic attacks about this situation.
01:30I haven't had real heavy anxiety about this situation.
01:34I think probably because a few weeks ago, for the first time I read Seven Spiritual Laws
01:41of Success by Deepak Chopra.
01:43And that's a book that my homegirl, my homegirl, Debbie Brown, has always been telling me to
01:47read.
01:48She told me it changed her life.
01:49And so I was actually listening to it on Audible.
01:51And then I ordered it off Amazon to read.
01:54And it's this law.
01:55Number six is the law of detachment.
01:57And in there he talks about just leaning into the uncertainty of life and leaning into the
02:04uncertainty of certain situations.
02:06And for me, I'm just leaning into the uncertainty of all of this.
02:11You know, I think the thing with anxiety, right?
02:13A lot of times anxiety comes from irrational thoughts.
02:17Like you could be laying on your couch and the ceiling fan could be going too fast and
02:21you automatically think that the ceiling fan is going to fly off and cut your head off.
02:25Or, you know, you watch the news and you see something happen to someone on the news and
02:30you think it's going to happen to you.
02:31Like I can remember one time in particular when it was that guy in Texas who was mailing
02:36people packages and they would open the packages and things would explode.
02:40And so for a couple of weeks I was like, don't touch nothing that comes to the house.
02:45So to me, that's like that's all kind of that's kind of that's kind of irrational anxiety.
02:51Like a little bit like for me, this situation right here.
02:56I think we're supposed to have a little bit of fear.
02:59I think we're supposed to have like that that that that fear of the unknown.
03:04You know, this is a place that we've we've never been before.
03:07And they always say human beings fear what they don't understand.
03:10A lot of us just most of us don't understand what's going on in the world right now.
03:15So to kind of have anxiety over this situation, I totally understand it.
03:21But I personally don't have it because I'm just leaning into the uncertainty of it all.
03:27I'm expecting the unexpected.
03:29I'm I'm I'm preparing for the worst.
03:32I hate to say it like that.
03:33I hate to sound like, you know, Debbie Downer, but I am I'm preparing for the worst.
03:37So I'm saying all that to say I'm maintaining.
03:40It's interesting that you said, you know, sometimes you have to just go with it because I know that's advice.
03:45They often tell people when you're feeling anxiety or fear, you have to kind of give into it.
03:51Can you talk a little bit about that?
03:53Because I don't think a lot of people have ever felt this much fear and anxiety.
03:56So they don't even know where to start.
03:58Yeah. And, you know, that's the kind of stuff that pisses you off when your therapist tells you that.
04:01Right. Because you're there for somebody that.
04:03And you'd be like, I'm paying you one hundred and fifty dollars an hour just to tell me that.
04:06Yeah. Lean into it, you know.
04:08Right.
04:09But this is one of those things that is so totally out of our control.
04:13You know what I mean?
04:14Like, this is so totally out of our control that the only choice we really do have is to lean into it, lean into the uncertainty of it all.
04:24Yes, this is turmoil. This is confusion. This is problems.
04:28But somewhere in those problems, I think there's going to be a solution.
04:33You know, I got to think about what the other side is going to look like.
04:35I think coming out of this, I think we're going to be dealing with a totally different society.
04:39Everybody keeps talking about they want things to go back to normal.
04:43Now, clearly normal wasn't working.
04:45I don't think normal can happen after this. It'll be different.
04:49Normal. Normal was an illusion.
04:51Normal was an illusion that we tell ourselves in order to make ourselves feel better about, you know, the country that we live in, about the current state of human beings.
05:02But I mean, if you notice, you know, they talk about the economy being so strong and it only took two weeks, you know, for the economy to be be at its knees.
05:10You know, you talk about the health care system.
05:12We always knew the health care system was pretty trash, but we always looked at it from the perspective of people don't have health insurance.
05:17But no, our health care system is actually trash.
05:21You know why? Because America spends too much money on the military when they should be putting some of that money into our hospitals.
05:28You know, it's a shame that it's more, you know, prisons and jails in America than it is actual hospitals.
05:33It's a shame that these people have to go into these, you know, these nurses and these health care workers have to go into this hospital and they don't have the proper equipment.
05:41So they don't even feel safe. You know, they they're dealing with their own anxiety.
05:45They they're supposed to be helping us.
05:48But it's like, you know, they're still human at the end of the day.
05:50And, you know, it's all about preservation.
05:52So I can't help you if if I'm afraid and we haven't properly equipped our people.
05:59So I think it's perfectly fine if everybody's anxious right now.
06:04I think it's perfectly OK if everybody's afraid right now.
06:06Like everybody keeps saying we're all in this together.
06:10And I think it's so important that we keep reiterating that it's not just happening to you or to me.
06:15It's happening to all of us.
06:17But for the people, I mean, who a lot of people maybe have experienced stress or anxiety and haven't acknowledged it or some people haven't until now.
06:25Can you talk a little bit about maybe just the signs that people should look out for?
06:29Like if this is new to them, what are some signs that you really need to stop internalizing the fear and anxiety and just chill?
06:38Um, it's going to be crazy.
06:41It's going to make it's going to sound crazy because it sounds like Corona symptoms.
06:44Right. Shortness of breath.
06:46You know what I'm saying? Most of the time when you have anxiety attacks, it all feels like it's in your respiratory system.
06:51It feels like you can't breathe. You know, your heart is going to start beating really fast.
06:56You know, your palms might start sweating.
06:59You're going to start having all of these irrational thoughts, you know, and it's almost like, you know, when you're on a treadmill and you're running and all of a sudden you're working up that sweat and your heart starts beating real fast and crazy and you just can't wait to get off that treadmill.
07:12When is it going to stop? You know, the difference is I can press stop on the treadmill, you know, or I can keep going, you know, running through the pain.
07:19You know, with anxiety, you don't even really know what's triggering it.
07:24So that's what makes it so hard to turn off.
07:26But I think in this situation, we know what's triggering it.
07:29What's triggering it is the fact that we're in an unprecedented time right now.
07:33The fact that we're all going through something that we've never gone through before.
07:37You know, you might be in a situation where you just got laid off or you got furloughed, you know, and you don't know where your next, you know, meal is coming from.
07:47You know, today is the first. Today is the first. Some people have rent due for a lot of people.
07:54Yeah. And a lot of places, you know, they've suspended rent or, you know, in a lot of places, they've suspended mortgages.
08:00But in a lot of places, they have it, you know, and if you just got laid off, if you just got furloughed and, you know, now is the first man, that's got to be a very stressful, stressful time.
08:10And the fact that you don't know when all of this is going to be be over.
08:14See, it's different when it's like a natural disaster, right? Like if it's like an earthquake or hurricane, we know the beginning, we know the middle.
08:22We usually know how that ends with this. We don't know what that ending is going to look like, you know.
08:27So I would just tell everybody for those who have never experienced anxiousness.
08:33Oh, you know what? They might even have a handle on it, because even if they do have those those feelings I just described, they know exactly where it's coming from and and why why they're having it.
08:43And like I say, like my therapist tells me, you've got to feel your feels, right?
08:47Mm hmm. You know, it's perfect. All all these emotions are normal, like nothing that I promise you, there's nothing you're feeling right now that is not normal.
08:57Absolutely. And, you know, it's interesting we bring up triggers for me.
09:01I've learned just in the last two weeks, the news is an actual trigger for me.
09:06So I'm going with playlists, other things and trying to just limit to watching it once a day.
09:11That's me personally. But what are some tactics that tactics that you've learned with your, you know,
09:16ongoing situation, battles, things you've learned just to help you cope, big or small?
09:22For me, reading is always a great escape.
09:26Music is always a great escape.
09:30You know, you can never lose with Mary J. Blige, my life album, because you put on that be happy immediately.
09:38It's like it's like chanting to yourself over and over. All I really want is to be happy.
09:42You know, you're saying that to yourself repeatedly. And as she's singing to you, she's telling you like life is too short.
09:48You know, like you start really realizing that like, yo, let me let me enjoy the moment.
09:53Let me get back to center. Breathing exercises are really good for me as well.
09:57You know, I'm not I'm not the greatest meditator. It's very hard for me to like turn completely off.
10:04I'm getting better at it, though, because of this place I've visited called Inception in Farmington, Michigan.
10:13And they do like float therapy and they have like the brain training, you know, the neurological training where you just sit in a zero gravity chair and you just like zone out.
10:23So it's helped me to realize what stillness really is. So being that I've experienced doing this before, it's kind of it's kind of makes it easier for me to get there when I'm like just doing regular meditation.
10:35But the music, the breathing, the meditation and honestly, man, just talking to somebody, you know, if you can't get your therapist.
10:42First of all, I want to salute all of the mental health care workers, you know, the physical health care workers are getting a lot of praise right now and they absolutely should.
10:50They're superheroes. But salute to all the psychiatrists, all the therapists, all the, you know, sacred purpose coaches, the spiritual advisers, the counselors who are available via FaceTime, who are available via via Skype, Zoom,
11:04you know, who are available via phone for their for their patients right now, you know, because to me, that's all it takes sometimes just reaching out to somebody and having that conversation.
11:15Hopefully you're quarantined with somebody that you like talking to.
11:19Fingers crossed.
11:21And if you're not, you know, the phone still works.
11:26There's no social distancing with the phone. You can still reach out and talk to your people.
11:30And I think this is the time where we all supposed to not just check on our strong friends, but check on our friends, period.
11:36Just just hit people up. Yeah.
11:39And ask them how they're doing. But when you ask them how they're doing, be ready for that response, because that response might be good.
11:47Yeah, it might be heavy. And if it's heavy, guess what?
11:50You were the person in that moment that God sent to this person to talk to.
11:55And you're the person that that person needs in that moment.
11:58So when you ask somebody how they're doing and they tell you and it's heavy, you just better be prepared to listen.
12:04Because that's all that person probably needs in that moment.
12:06Absolutely. And I think there's a lot of people.
12:08I'm glad that you brought up therapy, Charlamagne, because as we know, it's a very positive experience for anyone dealing with mental health issues or struggles or anxiety.
12:18You've said it saved your life. And I think there's still a lot of people who haven't tried it, even though you can get it right on your mobile device.
12:24You can see a therapist right now after this summit if you need to talk to somebody.
12:29So what would you say to people who've never tried therapy as an option just to have someone to talk to in case they don't?
12:35Oh, man. I would tell you that you're missing out.
12:38And the reason you're missing out and, you know, this is an example I love to use, an analogy I love to use.
12:44It's like having a real junky closet. And trust me, I know about junky closets.
12:49I'm at the crib right now. My wife makes me an hour a day.
12:52My wife makes me clean up. Like literally, I got to just organize this junky ass closet I got.
12:58And it's like you got all of these clothes thrown all over the place.
13:02You got sneakers all over the place. And what therapy is to me, it's like you're going in and you're organizing things.
13:09And the things that you don't need anymore, you're getting rid of.
13:14And the things you want to keep, you fold up nice and neat. You hang them up.
13:18You know where they're at. And now you got room to bring new things into your closet.
13:25And to me, that's what what therapy is. I mean, you know, for me, I wish I started going to therapy when I was much, much, much, much younger.
13:32Because, you know, you find yourself at, you know, I started going, I was like 38, 39.
13:37So you find yourself now at 41 now. I'm unpacking 38 years of baggage, you know,
13:47even over the past few years, just realizing new things about myself, realizing triggers that I never even knew I had, you know,
13:57dealing with trauma that I never even knew I had, you know, things that I thought I already had buried, you know,
14:04or things that I subconsciously or maybe even consciously buried because I didn't want to deal with them.
14:12You know, I just wasn't, I just wasn't strong enough at the time to deal with those things.
14:18I didn't have anybody to show me how to deal with those things.
14:21I didn't have the tools and the resources available to me that I have now in order to deal with a lot of those traumas, you know.
14:27And so as you get older, you know, you're sitting in your therapist's office and you realize it exactly why you act certain ways at certain times
14:39or why certain things set you off or why you have certain relationships with people, good or bad.
14:46And it usually stems to some type of childhood trauma.
14:50Yeah.
14:51And I also think that helps you as you get older with your ego, right?
14:56Because a lot of us, we operate from a space of a wounded ego.
15:02And that wounded ego usually stems from childhood.
15:06You know, that, that, that, that inner child, which in you that's in you is hurt, you know,
15:11because he didn't deal with some things when he was younger or some things happened to him when he was younger that he hasn't dealt with.
15:17So now you're older and you're projecting that, that inner wounded child upon people.
15:23And that's where like the ego comes from, because you don't want people to really see you.
15:28Absolutely.
15:29That's another thing about this quarantine and this quarantine and it's making a lot of us see ourselves for the first time and deal with the reality of ourselves.
15:39Like, you know, I don't got no haircuts.
15:41The, the, the, the, the beard is coming in, the grades are showing the, the, the hairline, my hairline is social distancing from my forehead.
15:50Oh, my hairline is social distancing from my forehead.
15:52You know, my wife is showing me her nails and how she needs to get her nails done.
15:56Like, it's just, we're all having to see ourselves for the first time, but that's just all physical stuff.
16:00I'm talking about the inner you.
16:02A lot of us are having to deal with.
16:04Cause we don't have nothing but time to sit down and reflect about where we are.
16:10And I think.
16:11I'm happy to bring up time because we have the time to do the work right now.
16:15We really do.
16:16We have no choice.
16:17Yes.
16:18Yes.
16:19And I think, um, I don't want to say facing all mortality.
16:23Because we know this disease is fatal.
16:28The mortality rate isn't extremely high, but we see people dying from it.
16:32For me, one person is one too many.
16:34Right?
16:35So if it's the chance that you could possibly pass away from this disease, to me, it's fatal.
16:40It's dire to me.
16:41Right?
16:42So when you're staring at that and you're in the house and you don't know what's next, you don't know what to expect.
16:51You really do start questioning yourself.
16:53Like, have I lived the life that I wanted to live?
16:56If I was to go right now, what kind of legacy would I leave behind?
16:59If I was to go right now, where would I go?
17:02We don't know what's after this, you know?
17:05So it really does make you do a lot of soul searching and it really just makes you, you know, really start digging deep into yourself and just, you know, really asking yourself those hard questions.
17:16Like, am I living the life that I want to live?
17:19Am I living the life that God wants me to live?
17:21And if I make it through this, what am I going to do moving forward?
17:25Am I going to go back to the old ways or I'm going to really level up and be the divine human being that I know God created us to be?
17:37I've heard a lot of my friends, family, people, colleagues just talking about the growth.
17:43And like you said, what's coming out on the other side.
17:45And that's a very positive thing, right, that we can all focus on right now to combat that worry.
17:51I want to talk to you, Charlamine.
17:52You're a husband, a father.
17:54How are you talking to your children about fear and anxiety and worry?
17:59Well, you know, the crazy thing is kids put things in perspective for you, right?
18:03Because kids don't really live with the worry and the fears that we do, you know, because they don't have the same responsibilities.
18:14Right.
18:15So it's just like my daughter's 11.
18:16My other daughter's four.
18:18My other daughter's one.
18:19One year old doesn't know what's going on.
18:21She just she just won.
18:23You know, my four year old.
18:24She has this little song.
18:25She starts singing.
18:26Go away.
18:27Coronavirus.
18:28Go away.
18:29Go away.
18:30Coronavirus.
18:31Go away.
18:32Only reason I know she even knows what what it is, because I'm the one watching CNN all
18:33the time while she hears me and her mom talking about it.
18:35Heard me on the phone about it.
18:37My 11 year old is just cool and calm.
18:40Like her mindset is like, I can't wait till this is over.
18:44So I can get to my cheerleading competition that got postponed.
18:47You know, you know, she was talking about, you know, going back to school.
18:51And the reason that is good because she's kind of looking at the other side, like in her mind,
18:58through the eyes of an 11 year old, this too shall pass.
19:02And that's how we all feel, right?
19:04Absolutely.
19:05We should all feel like that.
19:06We shouldn't.
19:07We should all feel like this too shall pass.
19:09We shouldn't feel like, you know, this is the end.
19:12You know, for me, this is a this is like a new beginning.
19:15Absolutely.
19:16It can be.
19:17It should be.
19:18I was looking at something Bishop T.D. Jake said.
19:21I should have pulled it up already, but it was on his Instagram.
19:26And I thought this was so good.
19:28Oh, I'm gonna pull it up right here.
19:30I thought it was so good and it put a lot of things in perspective.
19:33He said to those of you that live in areas that have restricted our ability to mingle
19:39and you've been wise enough to comply.
19:41This is a great time to pray, plan and prepare whatever is on the other side of this required,
19:46complete global global disruption.
19:48Many people are just waiting for normal to return.
19:51But disruptions come to liberate you from what was and to prepare you for what's next.
19:56And I believe what's next.
20:00Absolutely.
20:01And he said that there's going to be bankruptcies and billionaires born out of this experience.
20:06There'll be bitter divorces and couples who fall back in love because of this experience.
20:11There'll be leaders who win the hearts of their people by fighting for their best interest.
20:15There'll be others whose cowardice or narcissism will destroy the equilibrium of your organization.
20:21And then he just asked a simple question.
20:22Which one are you?
20:23And I believe that, you know, I believe that, you know, adversity either breaks people
20:31or it causes people to break records.
20:34And I want to be one of those people that breaks records.
20:38I appreciate the positive vibes and the inspo you're giving us right now.
20:43And there are a lot of people who had sent in questions for you.
20:45So let's try to get through a few of them.
20:47Let's do it.
20:48There's a lot of pressure to hustle, hustle, hustle right now because we have more time and we need to make money.
20:54How do you handle that pressure and when do you feel most productive?
21:01When do I feel most productive?
21:03That's a very interesting question.
21:05I think our idea of productivity has to change at a time like this because everybody's talking about hustling, hustling, hustling.
21:14Like I even said today, I feel like I'm in back to back meetings because, you know, luckily I get up and I'm able to do the breakfast club right here from my house.
21:21So I do the breakfast club and then like an hour later, I did my podcast.
21:26And then an hour later, I'm here, you know, doing this with Essence.
21:31And then later on, I'm doing my podcast live with Angela Rye on Instagram.
21:35And so it's just like, I'm gonna be honest with you, that don't necessarily make me feel productive at a time like this.
21:40It just makes me feel busy.
21:41You know, true, true, true production to me is just trying to figure out what all of this is about, like being still.
21:50It's being productive to me because I feel like that's what God wants us to do right now.
21:55I feel like we're all praying and we all want to be heard.
21:59But but God already knows what's going on.
22:02God is the architect, the all knowing being.
22:05We're not telling him nothing new.
22:06Imagine you getting on your knees, praying to God, telling him about everything that's going on in your life as if he don't already know or she don't already know.
22:13You know, so this is one of those times we should just listen.
22:16I feel like I'm the most productive when I'm actually just sitting down, not doing anything and really just connecting with the universe, connecting with God and listening to what it is.
22:29God is trying to tell us in this just present moment.
22:32I honestly can say that's when I feel the most productive.
22:35That can be a great time for creators, right?
22:39Like when you're a creator and you create content, that stillness and that time with yourself, like you were saying, that's when beautiful ideas and great content can come about.
22:48Absolutely. And I agree with you.
22:51But I would also say if you're one of those people who are listening to everybody talk about being creative, but you're so full of anxiety and, you know, even depression that you don't feel like being creative in this moment, that's fine too.
23:05Lean into your feelings, embrace all of that, accept all that, and then say to yourself, now what?
23:11Now that you've accepted that you're anxious, now that you've accepted that you're depressed, what are you going to do with it?
23:18I would tell you to keep a journal.
23:20I think some beautiful writing can come from all of this.
23:23I saw something that Rico Love and TI were doing on Instagram where they were telling people, they gave people like ideas for a story.
23:30And the story is based around this pandemic.
23:33And they said, write your story.
23:34And I think that's what a lot of people should be doing right now.
23:37You know, write your story, keep a journal, you know.
23:40Take note of all of these different feelings, you know.
23:43Dig deep within yourself.
23:44I think now, too, this is a time where a lot of people are going to find that gift that God blessed us with, you know.
23:54Because I think since the purpose is that one thing that will always motivate you, that will always make you feel productive.
24:01Like for me, I know if you were to ask me what's my purpose, I would tell you that I think my purpose is the work that I'm doing right now.
24:08And it's work that I just stumbled upon by doing the work on myself, which is, you know, being an advocate for mental health.
24:16You know, encouraging brothers to go out there and get that healing that you need and deserve.
24:22So for me, that's what I feel like my purpose is.
24:25I feel like everybody has a purpose.
24:26It doesn't, it's not, it's something that's necessarily attached to a talent.
24:30It's not something that's attached to gaining some sort of celebrity.
24:33It's just a purpose that you have that's greater than you.
24:38And it all began with sharing your truth.
24:41Okay.
24:42The next question, as a black man, as black men who are traditionally known and seen as providers with many out of work, how would you suggest, how would you suggest they still contribute and stay sane?
24:55Ooh, that's a great question.
24:58I was reading this morning about the domestic violence rates going up all over the world, you know, and police in America.
25:07Um, saying that they feel like they're afraid that domestic violence is going to be on the rise because people are self-quarantined, you know, with their significant others.
25:16Abuser sometimes.
25:17Yeah.
25:18Yeah.
25:19Sometimes they're a loser and, you know, an abuser, a loser, abuser, same thing.
25:23And, and, you know, they can't get away from this person.
25:26And I was sitting down saying like, yo, man, if I was a man who lost their job and I was with a woman nine times out of 10, she probably lost her job too.
25:36So when we talk about really being in this together, we're really in this together.
25:40So what I would do is I would just provide emotional support.
25:45I would provide, you know, spiritual support, mental support.
25:48Like, you know, y'all two have to be each other's crutches.
25:52You know, you can't reject your anger and your insecurities on that woman because you lost your job.
26:00You know, what if you're a brother who lost his job, but she still has her job.
26:04You should be happy that you got a queen who can hold it down for you financially until, you know, all of this is over and y'all get back to a better place.
26:15Like, I just think you a complete sucker if you lose your job and you're upset and you take your aggression out on a woman just because you're mad.
26:28Like, what does she do to you?
26:30Do you know what I'm saying?
26:32Like the emotional foundation, give back in that way.
26:36Like I said, our job is to protect and provide.
26:39We look at that sometimes and we think guns and money.
26:42As a man, you got to know how to shoot a gun.
26:44You got to know how to fight and you got to have money to provide financially.
26:47No, protecting is protecting your significant other and your children's emotional, mental and spiritual well-being.
26:56Providing is providing the things that they need in order to be emotionally strong, to be mentally strong, to be spiritually strong.
27:04You know, that's what being the foundation of your household is all about.
27:09So if you can't provide financially, man, I just pray that you got a woman who's not just there with you for your finances.
27:16And I pray that you're able to just provide that woman with just some emotional stability and spiritual stability and mental stability.
27:24I hope that y'all are pouring into each other right now.
27:27Absolutely.
27:28I love these answers.
27:30OK, next question.
27:31Charlamagne, do you have any suggestions on how black men can help and lean on each other during this time?
27:37Yeah.
27:38It's the same thing I tell brothers all the time.
27:41Like, in order to eradicate the stigma around mental health, around what is masculinity, you know, brothers just have to start being vulnerable.
27:54That's one thing that, you know, therapy helped me to do.
27:58I was always transparent.
27:59I could always tell you about my life and tell you about things that are going on in my life.
28:03But I could never tell you how those things make me feel.
28:05I would tell all my brothers out there, don't be afraid to talk about how things are making you feel with your brothers, man.
28:11You know what I'm saying?
28:12And it takes situations like this because all of us are in the same boat.
28:17You know, this isn't one of those times where something is happening just personally to you.
28:25You know, this is happening to all your brothers.
28:28You know what I mean?
28:29So now was the time, yeah, now was the time to have those conversations.
28:32The same way we cried and we spoke about, you know, our anxiety and our fears when the late great Nipsey Hussle got taken away from us last year.
28:40You know, or the same way we cried and talked about our fears when Kobe Bryant got taken away this year.
28:47It's like we got to have that same conversation with each other now.
28:52Like, it's perfectly okay to be vulnerable.
28:54It's perfectly okay to tell your brother you might be afraid right now.
28:58It's perfectly okay to tell your brother you might be depressed.
29:01Like, if that's your brother, you can have that conversation with him without him judging you.
29:06Absolutely.
29:07Okay, last question.
29:09Our circle can serve as our support system or our obstacle.
29:13How can, how we control our peace when living in an unsupported environment?
29:17How can we do that, especially during a time like this when we can't go anywhere else?
29:22Wow, man.
29:24I'm going to be honest with you.
29:26You have to reevaluate your circle.
29:29And coming out of this, you might need a whole new circle, if that's the way your circle is making you feel.
29:35Because I've been blessed enough to have had obstacles and have had adversity in my life, even over the past few years, and I really realized who was down for me.
29:46I really realized who my circle of trust was.
29:50So maybe that's why a situation like this could be potentially happening to you, to let you know, man, that circle you got, it's not really a circle at all.
29:59It's a circular firing squad.
30:01And, you know, all of y'all are shooting at each other as opposed to, you know, lifting each other up and empowering each other.
30:06So, man, if you're, if you're, if you're in a situation where you even got to question your circle at a time like this, maybe that's one of the things God is showing you right now that you might need to change your circle.
30:18Absolutely.
30:19And just refresh.
30:20Charlamagne, thank you.
30:21That's what this is all about.
30:22It is.
30:23Everything has to happen over.
30:26We have to dig, like you said, go in, see what's in there, sit with it.
30:31Yep.
30:32We're all in this together.
30:33And speaking of that, thank you for taking the time today to share with us, to be open with us, to be vulnerable, to talk to the community.
30:40We appreciate you.
30:42I appreciate you.
30:43Thank you, Charlamagne.
30:44Take care.
30:45All right.
30:46Peace and blessings.
30:49You too.
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31:45I'll see you next time.
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