ಭಾರತ-ಚೀನಾ ಗಡಿ ಸಂಘರ್ಷದ ವಿಚಾರವಾಗಿ ಲೋಕಸಭೆಯಲ್ಲಿ ಆಡಳಿತ ಮತ್ತು ವಿಪಕ್ಷಗಳ ನಡುವೆ ತೀವ್ರ ವಾಕ್ಸಮರ ನಡೆದಿದೆ. ನಿವೃತ್ತ ಸೇನಾ ಮುಖ್ಯಸ್ಥ ಎಂ.ಎಂ. ನರವಾಣೆ ಅವರ ಇನ್ನೂ ಪ್ರಕಟವಾಗದ 'ಫೋರ್ ಸ್ಟಾರ್ಸ್ ಆಫ್ ಡೆಸ್ಟಿನಿ' ಪುಸ್ತಕವನ್ನು ಉಲ್ಲೇಖಿಸಿ, 2020ರ ಗಡಿ ಸಂಘರ್ಷದ ವೇಳೆ ಪ್ರಧಾನಿ ಮೋದಿ ಕರ್ತವ್ಯ ಲೋಪ ಎಸಗಿದ್ದಾರೆ ಎಂದು ರಾಹುಲ್ ಗಾಂಧಿ ಗಂಭೀರ ಆರೋಪ ಮಾಡಿದರು. "ಚೀನಾ ಟ್ಯಾಂಕರ್ಗಳು ನುಗ್ಗಿದಾಗ ಮೋದಿ ಸೇನೆಯ ಬೆನ್ನಿಗೆ ನಿಲ್ಲಲಿಲ್ಲ" ಎಂದು ರಾಹುಲ್ ವಾಗ್ದಾಳಿ ನಡೆಸಿದರು. ಇದಕ್ಕೆ ಆಕ್ಷೇಪ ವ್ಯಕ್ತಪಡಿಸಿದ ಗೃಹ ಸಚಿವ ಅಮಿತ್ ಶಾ, ಪ್ರಕಟವಾಗದ ಪುಸ್ತಕದ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ಚರ್ಚಿಸುವುದು ನಿಯಮಬಾಹಿರ ಎಂದು ತಿರುಗೇಟು ನೀಡಿದರು. ಈ ಗದ್ದಲದ ನಡುವೆಯೇ ವಿಪಕ್ಷಗಳು ಮೋದಿಗೆ ಮುತ್ತಿಗೆ ಹಾಕಲು ಯತ್ನಿಸಿದ ಪ್ರಸಂಗವೂ ನಡೆಯಿತು.
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00:00Hello? How are you?
00:02I am from the left, right and center of this area.
00:08I am now on the subject of the subject matter.
00:12The debate is the issue of the people and the people and the people.
00:16For this reason, the subject matter in the subject matter is important.
00:22The subject matter has been the subject matter,
00:25the activity and the economic activity,
02:28This is from the memoir of Army Chief Narawane.
02:34And I'd like you to listen nicely.
02:39You will understand exactly who is patriotic, who is not.
02:47It'll take a little while, so this is about when four Chinese tanks were entering Indian
02:59territory.
02:59They were taking a ridge in Doklam and the army chief writes, and I quote from an article
03:10that is quoting his book, the tanks were within a few hundred meters of Indian positions on
03:17the Kailash range.
03:18No sir, no sir, no sir.
03:20You know only started.
03:21No no, he is not yielding.
03:23He is not yielding.
03:24Sir sire, he is not yielding.
03:26He is on the fence.
03:29The self-inflarser cannot involve.
03:31How what is?
03:32What is?
03:33How?
03:33How?
03:34How what is?
03:36What is starting.
03:37How what is starting?
03:39Why does this mean?
03:41You're saying, I don't want to claim it.
03:45Cheshit, which means you are not going to claim it.
03:47so this is hundred percent authentic hundred percent authentic
03:58sir rajnath singh is getting exercise because his name is going to be spoken just now
04:07so so these are the memoirs of general narawani in which
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05:04speaker sir
05:05oh yeah guaranteed authentic
05:09I mean
05:10narabhani ji
05:11nai kaha hai
05:12ki unka memoir hai
05:14usse sarkar publish
05:15nahi honne dee rhi hai
05:17ispeh submit kai
05:18aur main saraf
05:19main saraf
05:20isme se
05:21punch line
05:22pardna chata ho
05:24jismei narabhani ji
05:25nai rajnath singh ke baare me
05:27aur modi ji ke baare me
05:28rahaul gandhi euro
05:51a pustak da salu galna
05:53odo dake hodre
05:54kenra sarkar din da bandan
05:56a saspashtanai atuva point of order
05:58unnta karitare
05:59kriyalo paanth karitare
06:00a pustak pprakat vaga illa
06:02prakat vaga dantta pustakad saalugilannna
06:05illi odo dake
06:06ava kash illa niyamad prakar
06:08innu pustak yaka pprakat agil la
06:11annta noda thahodre
06:12pustak pprakat vaga bekuu unnta adre
06:15rakshana sachiwala yada anu mati bekuu
06:18va janral lubru pustakabarudur unnta adre
06:20vaharathad saenaya janral lubru pustakabarudur unnta adre
06:24adu prakat vaga uudakke
06:25adakke anu mati rakshana sachiwala yada koda vekkuu
06:29adre kottilla
06:29amulaka
06:32ii pustakadal iru vantta amshagilu janariket talupubarudu unnta
06:36kendra sarakarabayas idhe anodu kongres na arupa
06:40loka sabayalhi ishtelad dantra
06:43horagadu yu kuda prathibattu nai ai
06:46allurahul gandhi orumat nadi dhru
06:48no doubt
06:49government has said this book does not exist
06:52rajnath singh ji has said this book does not exist
06:55every youngster in india should see that this book exists
06:57this is mr narawane's book
07:00narawane ji ke kitab hai
07:01chief of army staff
07:03general narawane
07:05nai rajnath singh ji ko phone kia
07:07or kaha ki dekhiye
07:08kailash ridge per
07:09chinese tanks a gaye
07:11haari territory hai
07:12kailash ridge per chinese
07:13chinese tanks a gaye
07:15haari
07:16hame kya karna hai
07:17pehle rajnath singh ji
07:18ne unko reply nai diya
07:19standing order thar top ka
07:21ki agar chinese forces
07:23ander aayengi
07:24to unpe bina
07:25humare puchhe
07:25fire nai karna hai
07:26narawane ji
07:28aur humare joh army
07:29thii
07:29joh sena thii
07:30won't tanks per fire
07:31karna chate thii
07:32kyunki woh tanks
07:33humare territory me
07:33a gaye thii
07:34narendra modi ji
07:36nai message dya
07:37ki dhekhiye
07:38joh uchit samjho
07:40woh karo
07:42ya se dhu
07:44yen aakthi dhe
07:46anodra bhajyananundu
07:47chikka vivarani yenna
07:49kotre
07:49nam maviksh karge
07:50chu arta aakthahogathe
07:52rahul gandhi
07:53auru prasthapa maadhi
07:54ndokla maanth
07:55prasthapa maadhi
07:56auru tappaghi
07:57prasthapa maadhi
07:57durun tansathe
07:58yeradu sabraddha
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09:08સੱ્આ સયાવ�ીધ τα દીડા સોયો ધનાં
09:10સધ્રિય્રઇટે ઘાક્ર સ્તપેજં સોયુાગે કંતે
09:14I
09:15would like to
09:27use
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09:43General Mukun Narvan is the main priority in 1773 in 1773 in 1773.
09:51In 1773, there are 7 people in eastern Ladakh.
09:57Damchuk, Depsang, Nindahidudu, Pengong Lake.
10:02There are 5 people in 1773.
10:08General Mukun Narvan is the same.
10:11There are 8 people in the city of Aritiyagarta.
10:13However, it is more of a national audience.
10:16The government is the only one in the city of Aritiyagarta.
10:24The government is a very good man in the city.
10:27The Keravan magazine is very good.
10:30The PTI is a good man in the city of Aritiyagarta.
10:36The public domain is a good man in the city.
10:41In Raijingla, the Chinese tankers were carrying the troops in Raijingla and the infantry troops were carrying the troops in Raijinaat Singh, Ajit Doval, Jai Shankar and Rakhshna and Karyadarishnika.
11:00At 12 o'clock at 12 o'clock, Raijinaat Singh said to me, he said that he was carrying the troops in Raijinaat Singh.
11:21This is a layman interpretation.
11:26This was not a layman interpretation of Raijinaat Singh.
11:31He said that he was carrying the troops in Raijinaat Singh.
11:35This was the mission of the NKJ and Joshi and Kandam.
11:48the who dares wins a soldier's memory on 15th june the galvan incident happened after due
11:55planning and preparation we launched the quid pro quo operations in the area of r2 complex that is
12:00rejingla and rechinla on the kailash ranges on the north and south bank of pengang so and even
12:06further north in the area of kewla and anila passes we completely took the pla the chinese
12:14army and by surprise brought them back to the negotiation table and forced them to beat a
12:19hasty retreat this was operation snowley apart our brother general naravani in baritare nana ge
12:28yk joshi call madhido northern commander mukhya through ee retreat troops barthai
12:33ik general naravane ge rajnath singh in hildro adhan how interpret madhukon
12:38the kandha anna naanke annsathe naav interpret madhukinth saena adhikarikali hai ke interpret madhukon
12:44tare anta kandha anta kandha anta kandha anta kandha anta kandha anna santharabhodali
12:50joe bhaggye yen hildtara joshi oranna ur general naravane tampushtakudhuzul joe anta ullekis iddha rahe
12:56auer heelotu sarina you're heelotu sarina adhana ian interpret hee maadukku anta kandha anta kandha anta kandha anta kandha anta kandha anna
13:00I am not aware of the Ministry of Defence, I am not aware of the government, but the government is not aware of it.
13:09But the government is not aware of it.
13:14General Mukundarvani is not aware of it, but it is not aware of it.
13:20The government is not aware of it, but the government is not aware of it, but the government is not aware of it.
13:36That government are not aware of it and will say that and the government are not aware of it, will pledge them from the border sale tremendously less than what they feel.
13:54Yes, I know, Dinesh Mudri said that,
13:58Sir, what you do, what you do,
14:01is this on the first thing,
14:02which is the issue ?
14:04There is no matter what you want.
14:06If you want to write about it,
14:08it will be Congress.
14:10If you want to write about the BJP,
14:13how do you write about it?
14:14In the army, one of the old saying is,
14:16in the absence of orders,
14:18assume what they ought to be.
14:20be. In the absence of orders, assume what they ought to be.
14:24tactical battle area, Galvan Valley, R2 complex and reform.
14:33Razangla, Rachinla, on the ridge, Magar Hill, Gurunghul, a ridge line.
14:41That was overlooking. In August, it was occupied by Razangla Post.
14:471962 operation, it was occupied by Occupy.
14:50Now, on our own, it was overlooking the Chinese garrison.
14:58Modo garrison, it was overlooking.
15:00It was destabilized by our tanks and supported by infantry.
15:08Basically, in these areas, infantry supported by armor.
15:13It was overlooking.
15:14It was overlooking.
15:15It was overlooking.
15:16It was overlooking.
15:17It was overlooking.
15:18It was overlooking.
15:19The tactical battle area commander.
15:21It was overlooking.
15:22In normal course of action, commander on ground, he takes the action.
15:25But in this situation, there is history to this.
15:35In 1993, 1996, 2005, 2013, alli, yeh namdhu pacts aagidhe.
15:40Alli, within two kilometers of LAC on either side, arms now to go and hoodhurnu.
15:46Adhan use maadhu haag illa.
15:48There is no embargo on taking arms.
15:50But there is an embargo on use of arms.
15:52Firing.
15:53Firing.
15:54There is no ogre.
15:55There is nothing but also.
15:56No, no.
15:57Yes.
15:58But in this situation, the right direction of the order,
16:02Alli, waru guh now, firing maadhu lila, lali.
16:03So that is the reason why he had to.
16:05And secondly, our, if Pradhan Mantri Daniel kutko undu,
16:07Alli, battle area in al li, yeh naakta aayya nth opparru gottha agala.
16:10He won't know.
16:11What will he say?
16:13Alli, one division ill move maadhu, one brigade kao ill move maadhu,
16:16tanks ill position maadhu, one theda kaagala.
16:18All that he will tell is,
16:19So, the idea is, one of the tactical battle area is a commander, maybe a battalion commander or a brigade commander or a divisional commander.
16:28He is a man of about 10-12,000 infantry soldiers, commander.
16:37He has the idea of terrain, build-up, how does he appreciate the battle.
16:44We are talking about heights of 6,000 meters and above, 6,000 meters, which is about 18,000 feet.
16:59So, I think that is the only thing, opening comments, that is freedom of action given to the local commander.
17:11Had it been anything else...
17:14So, free hand to the troops.
17:17Secondly, this has to be seen in the backdrop of isolated incidents.
17:22In Pakistan, in 2016, we have a surgical strike.
17:25In 2019, we have a URI strike.
17:29So, in 2025, we have an operation.
17:33Build-up along the L.C.
17:35This is the Raksha Mantri, Hindgade.
17:37How does it work?
17:38Purposely, we don't build infrastructure along the L.A.C.
17:41How does it help the Chinese?
17:44On the floor of the house, we have a hill.
17:46Now, post-2014, 2015, 2016, 2017,
17:51we have to start the stand-off.
17:53We have to develop infrastructure,
17:56shelters, roads, bridges.
17:58We have to start the building.
18:00This has been the Chinese.
18:02This is the pain point.
18:03This is the Chinese.
18:04Let's say, from Dubrook to DBO,
18:08Daulat Beg, old and healthy,
18:10almost about 250-odd kilometers on the road,
18:13along the Sherlock River.
18:14We have to start the building.
18:16We have to start the building.
18:17We have to start the deployment faster.
18:19The men and material movement is fast.
18:22We have to start the nuke process.
18:24It leads to the President's war.
18:26After 2008, Congress is not requested.
18:29But the war did not get to the ground.
18:32So, this has hit the Chinese.
18:33So, that is how various stand-offs have taken place.
18:362013-a-la-la-la-la,
18:3717-a-la-la.
18:3814-a-la-la-la a-la,
18:4017-a-la-la-la-la.
18:42Yes.
18:43So these are my opening comments. I think. Yes. Yes. Joshi, sir.
18:49You can tell me.
18:51You can tell me.
18:55You can tell me.
19:00But one important fact.
19:05You can tell me.
19:13On the China border, the existing protocol is that you will not open fire unless cleared at the top-most level.
19:23So at that point, General Narwani had to escalate the problem to the level of Rajnath Singh, Defence Minister, Ajit Dhowal and Jay Shankar,
19:34our external affairs minister.
19:36And he kept asking them one question.
19:38What are my orders?
19:40So because there is an existing protocol,
19:45there is no question.
19:47Yes.
19:48If there is an existing protocol,
19:51there is no protocol on the Pakistan border.
19:55But the local commander is a suitable reply.
20:03What does that mean?
20:05But here,
20:06China border,
20:07the situation is very different.
20:09The orders are very different.
20:11So that is why,
20:12General Narwani had to escalate the matter to the highest level in the field, in Delhi.
20:19So that is why,
20:21General Narwani had to escalate the matter to the highest level in Delhi.
20:27Even in the E-Nartagate,
20:29so,
20:30Prime Minister has decided to hand over his responsibility to the local,
20:35I mean,
20:36army chief and to the local commanders.
20:39But in the E-Nartagate,
20:44there was extreme possibility of this escalating into a major war between India and China.
20:50Because the tanks were coming almost 200-300 meters away from our tanks.
20:57So,
20:58Finally,
20:59you know,
21:00at about,
21:01soon after,
21:02Rajanat Singh says this,
21:04Chinese PLA commander,
21:07he sends a message.
21:08He says,
21:10let us cool the situation,
21:12let us have a meeting tomorrow morning at 9.30,
21:15and then we will consider the matter.
21:18Then,
21:19General Narwani tells General Joshi,
21:22you just,
21:23do not open fire,
21:25but take your tanks as far as possible,
21:28and put them in a position of offence,
21:31but put your cannon down,
21:34you know,
21:35right up to the eyeball to eyeball level,
21:38so,
21:39this is what exactly happens on that day,
21:45on the night of 29th, 30th August,
21:482020.
21:50So,
21:51here,
21:52the dangerous situation,
21:54overt,
21:55so,
21:56but the matter,
21:57was almost,
21:58getting into a,
22:00trigger point.
22:02A trigger point,
22:04the other,
22:05the other,
22:06the other,
22:07and the other,
22:08so,
22:09the causes belly,
22:10comes to India.
22:11India will be blamed as aggression.
22:13So,
22:14avoidable only cause,
22:15General Narwani,
22:16the other,
22:17the other,
22:18the other,
22:19the other,
22:20the other,
22:21the other,
22:22the other,
22:23the other,
22:24the other.
22:25So,
22:26I think,
22:27General Narwani was right.
22:28in the top leadership,
22:30the other,
22:31the other,
22:32there,
22:33the other.
22:34After that,
22:35the other,
22:36the other,
22:37direction,
22:38so that?
22:39Prime Minister actually should have given a very decisive reply, either fire or do not
22:56fire.
22:58He should have said I will take up the matter at the political level, do not escalate the
23:06matter and you know wait for few more hours because there is always a hotline connection
23:14between the DGMOs from Delhi along and also with Beijing.
23:20We have got a hotline here in Pakistan, so we should have asked the DGMO in Beijing in
23:30the PLA Command Headquarters, if you are a local tactical commander, if you are a local
23:37tactical commander, you should approve this.
23:43That's why we have to ask questions.
23:46But anyway, now it is all wisdom and hindsight, that's useless.
23:52I think Prime Minister should have been more decisive because Chief of AVI Staff is asking
24:05for a clear direction.
24:07Yes, Joshi Saragiri, Joshi Saragiri, Chandrashekar is coming out.
24:13He is coming out of the Indo-Pakistan border, Indo-China border.
24:18He is coming out of the right direction.
24:20He is coming out and the first one.
24:24He is coming out of that.
24:25He is coming out of that.
24:27He is coming out of that top leadership.
24:30Yes, yes.
25:00Because of the Parliament rules, the published publication was published in the minds of Rahul Gandhi.
25:13The other questions were asked,
25:15that the people who are interested in the Narvanes
25:17are interested in this magazine.
25:20There is a article in the Narvanes
25:23that is the article in Narvanes,
25:25the moment of truth.
25:27It was a article in the 90th page.
25:29It's the same thing that people have
25:31to share their own lives.
25:33There are some people who have to share their own lives.
25:35This is the same thing that they have to share.
25:37It's not published.
25:39This magazine is the leftists.
25:41I am the first one.
25:43India, Modi, Modi and Modi are second.
25:45Modi and Modi are now in the future.
25:49I am the first one.
25:51Why do you think that?
25:53Why do you think that?
25:55No, no, no.
25:57I will tell you about it.
25:59Joshi is a question.
26:01The Indo-China border is coming from all the protocols.
26:05Why do you think that?
26:07exactly
26:09the
26:28No one has to do such sensitive matters, but the government's answer is that the first answer is the Prime Minister.
26:35The Prime Minister is the Prime Minister of Congress.
26:38This is the Prime Minister of Congress.
26:44The Prime Minister has to do such a Nicaraguan.
26:49The question was, when you get the phone, and you get the government, and you get your contacts in the country, you get your contacts in the country.
26:57Then in the 1980s, the Major General of China, Lulin, the two chiefs, were on the Indian Army.
27:06I was told, I was there, and you were able to get the government in the country, and I was saying, they would call them.
27:15That was not that much of the government.
27:17Even if you want to advance, you can call Josh or Narnan.
27:21If you want to call the Defense Minister,
27:24I was talking to the Prime Minister,
27:26and I was talking to you,
27:28and I was talking to you,
27:30and I was talking to you.
27:33There is a difference between LOC and LESC.
27:36There is a line of control in Pakistan.
27:41If you want to touch the line of control,
27:45you will kill him.
27:47There is a line of control.
27:49They are not a threat.
27:51They are not a threat,
27:52they are not a threat.
27:54They are not a military establishment.
27:56They are a threat.
27:58They are a threat.
28:01They are a threat.
28:04The Supreme Court and the CCD,
28:07which is the Cabinet Committee and Security,
28:09are a threat.
28:10They have the same threat.
28:12It is not a threat.
28:14You are접ring the attack.
28:15That is a threat.
28:18It is the threat.
28:20It was the threat.
28:22It was a moment of profound isolation.
28:39So Narvane, on the map of JNK and Ladakh on the wall, it could note that.
28:45Eastern command on another.
28:47He could visualize the location of each and every unit and formation in quotes.
28:51Even on the unmarked maps, a hundred different thoughts flashed across his mind.
28:58Country was reeling under COVID.
29:00Economy was faltering.
29:02Global supply chains had fractured.
29:05Our question is, would we be able to endure a steady supply of spares, etc. under these conditions?
29:13In case of a long drawn out action, who were our supporters in the global arena and what about the collusive threat from China and Pakistan?
29:23We are ready in all respects, but I did not really want to start the war.
29:31But the chief of army staff had the power of this, so that they would be able to endure the power of this, so that they would not be able to do it.
29:39Sir, with due respect...
29:40One second.
29:40One second.
29:41You talked with them.
29:42Put your leaves in because you fünf.
29:47Don't come on.
29:54Let's talk.
29:58Let's talk.
30:03Whenever you need especially Brosという身会 of national security,
30:06Look, this year, BJP 9, 1962, Nehru, Nehru, Nehru, Kudlu, Nehru, Kudlu,
30:19we have to talk about that.
30:21This is a six years ago.
30:24What is national security?
30:26We are speaking of history.
30:28You talk about history.
30:29Why is national security?
30:31So this is a serious issue.
30:34So if we talk about it, we will never talk about it.
30:39No, no.
30:40So this is something which General Narvani has said.
30:43He is the hero.
30:45Who is this?
30:47Who is this?
30:49Who is this?
30:51Who is this?
30:53Who is this?
30:54Who is this?
30:57Who is this?
30:59If you don't have leadership, you don't have leadership.
31:02If you say, Chief of Army Staff, you don't have leadership.
31:07Yes, it's true, yes, it's true.
31:10Naturally, this is not going to be asked.
31:12Questions are scaled up.
31:14So these are all very serious matters.
31:17In this case, you can't speak to this.
31:20You can't speak to the people.
31:22You can't speak to the people.
31:24You can't speak to Congress.
31:27You can't speak to the people.
31:31You can't speak to Rahul Gandhi.
31:34It's not published in India.
31:36And the Ministry of Defence has not given permission.
31:39You can't speak to them.
31:40You can't speak to them.
31:44We can't speak to them.
31:46You can't speak to them.
31:48You can't speak to them.
31:50You can speak to them.
31:52You can speak to them.
31:54You can't speak to them.
31:55You can't speak to them.
31:56You can't speak to them.
31:57You can't speak to them.
31:58So this is a very serious issue.
32:01It's a matter of national security.
32:03In the past 30-40th century,
32:07In June,
32:09...
32:10...
32:14...
32:16...
32:17But this is a very serious situation.
32:19This is the president of the United States.
32:21The president has a federal government government.
32:24If I had a chair that he used to say he had two-thirds.
32:26For president of the United States he could tell if he had one phone for him and he would not be there.
32:31Look at that and he would not be there.
32:33The chief of army staff is the chief of army staff
32:38Doval,
32:40the general Vipin,
32:43I know that they have been talking about the Prime Minters, and I know that they have been talking about the Prime Minters.
32:51The Prime Minters have been talking about the Prime Minters.
32:59But why is it possible that they have been talking about the Prime Miners?
33:02I'll just cut that out.
33:03One thing is the effect of global supply chain.
33:07In this country, the first thing that the Indian army is making the same thing, that's how it is.
33:16That's how it is.
33:17In this country, you are making the same thing, that's how it is.
33:22That's how it is.
33:23That's how it is.
33:24General Narvan said, going to war can never be a purely military decision.
33:31It is taken by a democratically elected political leadership.
33:36During the 1999 conflict, every action was debated and approved in meetings of the Cabinet Committee on Security.
33:46India's final decision making body on national security, chaired by the Prime Minister.
33:53Memoirs from that period show CCS being able to own its decisions and issue clear directives to military commanders.
34:02The same was true of Indira Gandhi.
34:04Indira Gandhi during the 1971 war that led to the liberation of Bangladesh.
34:09We are a democratically elected country.
34:13This is a republic.
34:14But in this country, only the democratically elected Prime Minister can take a decision with regard to war.
34:24Political leadership has to take a decision.
34:27I am going to simply say, you said, you have to take a decision with that.
34:28I will ask a small question.
34:31Indira Gandhi is a Premier Minister for the år.
34:35General Manikshah, how will he tell you?
34:37Yes.
34:38General Manikshah, what will he tell you?
34:39I guarantee you that he will tell you 100% defeat.
34:44He's not a leader.
34:45No, he's not a leader.
34:46He's not a leader.
34:48He's a leader.
34:50He's a leader.
34:52He's a leader.
34:54He's a leader.
34:56In China,
34:58there are skirmishes.
35:00I have a question.
35:02I'm saying,
35:04Ravi Joshi or Mudri Sahiv.
35:09How do you interpret that?
35:12See, I have a question.
35:14What's the problem?
35:16It's a problem.
35:18It's a problem.
35:20It's a problem.
35:22You can't eat the cake and eat it too.
35:24Allow the publication.
35:26You don't have to worry about it.
35:28He's not a problem.
35:30He's not a problem.
35:32You can't have the cake and eat it too.
35:34Either you allow the publication.
35:36You don't have to worry about it.
35:40I don't agree with this.
35:46He's in a sensitive post.
35:48He's a chief army staff.
35:50We're all bound by the Official Secret Act of 1923.
35:54You can't write everything for the public domain.
35:56And everybody can't take...
35:58They have to worry about the decision.
36:00They have to worry about the decision.
36:02They have to worry about the decision.
36:04They have to worry about the decision.
36:06So, there are sensitive matters which you can't quote.
36:08The public cannot come to know about all this.
36:10So, the Official Secret Act of 1923 is in direct conflict with RTA of 2005.
36:16It's not a debate.
36:18You can't write everything for the public domain.
36:20You can't write everything for the public domain.
36:22And everybody can't take...
36:24They have to worry about the decision.
36:26They don't have to worry about the decision.
36:28They have to worry about the interpretation.
36:30This is not an event.
36:32This is not an event of yesterday.
36:34This is not an incident.
36:36This is history.
36:38This is history.
36:40This is 1962.
36:42In 1962,
36:44we all have to talk about the BJP.
36:46In 1962,
36:48we have just become independent.
36:50In 1962,
36:52we have just become independent.
36:54We have to talk about it.
36:56We have to talk about it.
36:58We have to talk about it.
37:00We have to talk about it.
37:02We have to talk about it.
37:04We have to talk about it.
37:06We have to talk about it.
37:08You know, what time Maxim wrote in 1962?
37:10After the Battle of Raja.
37:12It was R2 complex.
37:14It was a complex complex.
37:16In the battle,
37:18121 people were there.
37:20Company commander.
37:22And along with all soldiers.
37:24114 people were killed by China.
37:26It was not in Rasanglan.
37:28200 PW's.
37:30One chap returned from that battle.
37:32To tell the whole story.
37:34How this battle was fought.
37:36You know what he writes?
37:38He says, everybody had a bullet on their chest.
37:40Or not on their back.
37:42You know what Time magazine wrote after 1962 operations?
37:46Indian soldier needs everything except courage.
37:48Courage is one thing that he has in abundance.
37:50Everything else was lacking.
37:52Equipment was not there.
37:54Arms were not there.
37:56Ammunition was not there.
37:58Everything was not there.
38:00Decisiveness is not there.
38:02Decisiveness is not about.
38:04Oh I have given you free hand.
38:06No that is not decisiveness.
38:08Building up to that fight.
38:10Six years, seven years, ten years, eleven years.
38:12You have to equip your army.
38:14You have to train your army.
38:16You have to strengthen your army.
38:18That is decisiveness.
38:20You have to do that.
38:21You have to do that.
38:22Political leadership is not there.
38:24General Naravan is not there.
38:26General Naravan is not there.
38:28Abundant is not there.
38:30What is your purpose?
38:32Prime Minister.
38:33See, first is.
38:34He should have spoken to General Naravan himself.
38:37He should have spoken to General Naravan himself.
38:39He is speaking to the Chief of Army Staff.
38:43And he is working for him.
38:45He was his choice.
38:46Actually, General Naravan, you choose one.
38:48I don't know.
38:50I have forgotten the name.
38:51No, no.
38:52No, there was another person who was in line.
38:53There was no other person.
38:54I will give you the history behind this.
38:55That's okay.
38:56But you choose one.
38:58The first thing is,
39:00Prime Minister should have come online.
39:02First.
39:03You have to talk about it.
39:04Given direction.
39:06Find out what the ground realities are.
39:10Then say,
39:11See, these are my...
39:13Just like you have to talk about it.
39:15You have to talk about it.
39:16You have to talk about it.
39:17You have to talk about it.
39:19I am not.
39:21Then say,
39:22The front,
39:23He would tell us,
39:25You have to talk about it.
39:26I believe you are...
39:27I am not going to talk about it.
39:28The message.
39:29That is right.
39:30As he said,
39:31The message of Myrtle is on that.
39:32That is right.
39:33That is right.
39:35See, ultimately, you must understand one thing. This is a very serious situation. Extremely serious situation.
39:43They don't want to be able to carry one kilometer away, but they don't want to be able to carry tanks.
39:51They don't want to carry tanks. They don't want to carry tanks. They don't want to carry tanks, they are still progressing forward.
40:03In that critical period, the Prime Minister should show leadership.
40:09But why do you have to carry the operation?
40:12No, it's not the operation.
40:14See, the thing is, tanks do not move like that. It's not a terrain for tanks to move.
40:18Tanks will only stand and fire. Where tanks move, they are in deserts. Actually, tanks are meant for deserts.
40:24In this high altitude region, the direct firing role will help the tanks.
40:30It is a deterrent. It can't move. There are peaks.
40:34There is limited line of communication and movement. There is no line of communication.
40:38There is no high mountain. It is a very high movement.
40:41Well, Muthi, sir, I have to tell you the operational details of the system.
40:48Do you have to fire the Prime Minister?
40:51No, I don't agree with that.
40:52It is what he had. He governed on.
40:53Yes, Joshi, Joshi, Joshi, Joshi...
40:54Yeah, Joshi, Joshi, Joshi...
40:55The tactical battle area, which he is here, will be a technical battle area, which is not the
41:22The decision to go to war must be taken by political leadership, not by the army.
41:37The army cannot push the country into war, that will be extremely reckless on the part
41:42of the army to do that.
41:43They will raise the matter at the political level, which is the cabinet committee on security,
41:55China study group is an informal body, but the cabinet committee on security is a formal
42:01body.
42:02That is preceded by the Prime Minister, the Defence Minister, the NSA, the External Affairs Minister.
42:09So, the economic fallout, the political fallout, the diplomatic fallout, and whether we will
42:25get the support of Russia or US in the context, that is why we are not going to war on the decision.
42:35So, the decision, the power of Russia will not be the government...
42:39Ravi Joshi sir, they have to keep in the military tanks.
42:43They are not under the military tanks, there are no military tanks, full-fledged war, and they
42:49are not under the political leadership, but what are they talking about?
42:53They will drop the bombs I undue, become a rebel?
42:56What is this?
42:57I am not going to talk about the attacks against the first strike, which is the last-gered
43:03These tanks were far superior to the Chinese tanks and General Joshi could have easily taken
43:21up on these tanks and they would have destroyed the tanks.
43:35The question is there is a protocol there on the China border that generals cannot fire.
43:41There is a fist fight, they are fighting with clubs and they all have weapons but they are
43:51not using the weapons because of this rule that you cannot fire.
43:55So that rule is held sacrosanct.
44:01So that rule violates General Narva and the President of the United States clearly
44:09Yes, yes, H.N. Chandrasekharov.
44:12Brijoush Kalappa, you can talk about this.
44:14If you don't have any questions, you don't have any questions.
44:19Very beautiful question, sir.
44:21One issue, sir.
44:23One issue, sir.
44:24One issue, sir.
44:25Congress was mislead.
44:27He was saying that he was a man who was a man who was a man who was a man who was a man who was a man who was a man who was a man who was a man who was a man.
44:37In order to say no, sir.
44:39Nice, his face.
44:40Wonderful.
44:49He just announced that it wasn't it.
44:50He didn't use the magazine and aøreaba.
44:51What is his opinion?
44:52Again, we already saw the article energía as well.
44:54I simply can't ask the letter of the government anything.
44:56What happened on our list?
44:57Number five, I read your opinion too, from the , I am not going to read the article.
44:59I am a leader in this situation.
45:04Just escalation.
45:06Just escalation.
45:07As a result,
45:08the enemy will be discharging.
45:11In the 1990s,
45:13the Chinese attack,
45:16the government will be discharging.
45:19Don't fire.
45:20But we will fire.
45:22Absolutely correct.
45:23Exactly.
45:24So, the local commander,
45:26Jeeva,
45:27Jeeva,
45:28Assami Division,
45:30that's the decision.
45:31That's why,
45:32just one person.
45:34That's why,
45:36the assami regiment,
45:38he took the decision to fire.
45:40Sir, last comment.
45:42Now, last comment,
45:43Mr. Mudri Sir,
45:44Mr. Mudri Sir,
45:45he was released,
45:46he was released,
45:47he was released,
45:48he was released,
45:49he was released,
45:50he was released,
45:51he was released,
45:52sensitive details,
45:54but you must see the background.
45:56Narwane,
45:572021,
45:59April,
46:012020,
46:02Ravath,
46:03accident,
46:04helicopter crash,
46:06you know,
46:07that means,
46:08he was not a pliable,
46:09loyal,
46:10one question,
46:11dispensation,
46:12otherwise,
46:14Narwane would have become the CDS.
46:16Actually,
46:17he was the most eligible person to become CDS,
46:19after Ravath.
46:21So,
46:22for nine months,
46:23CDS posed to,
46:24Phillip,
46:25in the month of June,
46:26July,
46:27government tweaked,
46:28the criteria,
46:30eligibility criteria for CDS.
46:32That's why,
46:33three-star general,
46:34Anil Chavana,
46:35that's why,
46:36the retirement,
46:37that's why,
46:38CDS,
46:39otherwise,
46:40Narwane did not find favour with the government,
46:43even,
46:44even while in service.
46:45So,
46:46some publication houses do not release,
46:48controversy,
46:49Penguin House,
46:50why is it not written to MOD to release the book?
46:52They want to raise all such things,
46:57so that book sells well also.
46:59Yes,
47:00last comment.
47:01Yes,
47:02last comment.
47:03Yes,
47:04thank you.
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