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00:00Hello and welcome to the left, right and center I'm Raksht Tshetti.
00:30Thank you very much.
01:00The U.S. tanks are the first-person tanks of the U.S. tanks and the U.S. tanks are the first-person tanks.
01:16Or, the world is the moon.
01:20That's the beauty of this world.
01:22For this world, a world is the American universe,
01:25General MM Narravanen,
01:28the TIP is the TIP.
01:29On the TIP.
01:31They need to know what TIP is like.
01:33Four stars of destiny is like.
01:38The TIP isn't a TIP.
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02:06And this is from the memoir of Army Chief Naravani.
02:36And I'd like you to listen nicely.
02:41You will understand exactly who is patriotic, who is not.
02:49It'll take a little while.
02:51So this is about when four Chinese tanks were entering Indian territory.
03:01They were taking a ridge in Doklam.
03:04And the Army Chief writes, and I quote from an article that is quoting his book.
03:14The tanks were within a few hundred meters of Indian positions on the Kailash range.
03:18No sir, no sir, no sir.
03:20No, no, no.
03:22He is not yielding.
03:23He is not yielding.
03:24Sir, sir.
03:25He is not yielding.
03:27No, he is not yielding.
03:28He is on the force.
03:29The government cannot involve.
03:31How about it?
03:33How about it?
03:34How about it?
03:35It's alright, sir.
03:35It's starting.
03:37You have to start.
03:39If you've gone through it, then you have to relate to it.
03:43If you've gone through it, it's not true.
03:43If you've gone through it, you have to relate to it.
03:45If you've gone through it, you have to relate to it.
03:47You're not yielding.
03:47Sir, this is 100% authentic.
03:50so this is 100% authentic 100% authentic
03:58sir rajnath singh is getting exercise because his name is going to be spoken just now
04:07because sir i have not said anything
04:16so so these are the memoirs of general narawani in which
04:25i have not said that i have not said that
04:33i have not said that
04:38foreign
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05:06This is guaranteed and authentic.
05:09He has said that his memoir is not published.
05:16He has all written.
05:18And I just want to show you five lines
05:23which he has written about Raja Narayan Singh and Modi.
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30:06but I don't know.
30:08Loved all of these days before,
30:09for every day
30:28we are speaking about history.
30:30And we talk about our national security.
30:32This is a serious issue.
30:34We don't know what that is.
30:36Never talk about it.
30:39Yes, he doesn't.
30:40So this is something which General Narvani has said.
30:43He made a decision.
30:45None of the people were angry at this point.
30:47Who was angry at the time?
30:51I was angry at these people.
30:53They were angry at the time.
30:55They found him I never made a Expanded camp.
30:59Because he fought for leadership to be defeated.
31:02The chief of army staff has the leadership of the chief of army staff.
31:07Yes, it's true. Yes, it's true.
31:10Naturally, this is not going to be asked.
31:12It's not going to be asked.
31:14So, these are all very serious matters.
31:17In this case, you can't speak to this.
31:20You can't speak to this.
31:22You can't speak to this.
31:24You can speak to Congress.
31:27You can speak to this.
31:29You can speak to this.
31:32Rahun Gandhi is not going to be asked.
31:34It's not published in India.
31:36And the Ministry of Defense has not given permission.
31:39Yes, it's not.
31:40They don't have any permission.
31:44We don't have any interpretation.
31:46You can give permission to the people.
31:49You can't speak to them.
31:50You can speak to them.
31:52They can speak to them.
31:54They can't speak to them.
31:55They can't speak to them.
31:58So, in this case, this is a very serious issue.
32:01It's a matter of national security.
32:03I thought,
32:04In this case,
32:05In this case,
32:06In this case,
32:07In this case,
32:08In this case,
32:09In June,
32:10In this case,
32:11In this case,
32:24I don't think it's necessary.
32:26Pradhan Mantri comes with a phone.
32:29And it doesn't come out.
32:31Note that it doesn't come out.
32:33The Chief of Army Staff is Nalag General.
32:38Doval.
32:40General Bipin Rawat.
32:45Jay Shankar.
32:47Rajnath Singh.
32:49Or Pradhan Mantri comes with other people.
32:51The Prime Minister comes with other people.
32:58But it doesn't come out.
33:02I'm going to get a bridge.
33:03One is a global supply chain.
33:05I'm going to get a quote.
33:07In this country,
33:09the Indian Army is a great nation.
33:14It's a great nation.
33:17I'm going to get a clear nation.
33:21The US is a great nation.
33:23It's a great nation.
33:24It's a great nation.
33:26Going to war can never be a purely military decision. It is taken by a democratically elected political leadership. During the 1999 conflict and Atal Bihari Vajpayee, every action was debated and approved in meetings of the Cabinet Committee on Security, India's final decision making body on national security, chaired by the Prime Minister.
33:53Memoirs from that period show CCS being able to own its decisions and issue clear directives to military commanders. The same was true of Indira Gandhi. Indira Gandhi during the 1971 war that led to the liberation of Bangladesh. We are a democratically elected country. This is a republic.
34:15Only the democratically elected Prime Minister can take a decision with regard to war.
34:22Political leadership has to take a decision.
34:26Political, political, unupost...
34:28See...
34:29Indira Gandhi is a Prime Minister. I'll... small question. Indira Gandhi is a Prime Minister.
34:33General Manikshah is a leader.
34:36Yes.
34:37He is a leader.
34:38General Manikshah is a leader.
34:40He is a leader.
34:41He is a leader.
34:42I guarantee you 100% defeat.
34:45He is a leader.
34:46In China already is an economic force.
34:48He is a leader.
34:49He is a leader.
34:50Ours is a leader.
34:51He is a leader.
34:52He is a leader.
34:53He is a leader.
34:54He is a leader.
34:55He is a leader.
34:56I agree.
34:57How do people make these decisions in China?
34:58There are exceptions.
35:00The exceptions are exceptions.
35:01The exceptions.
35:02The question seems...
35:03Is.
35:04What's my other question?
35:05Raviy Joshiwar or Mudri Sahayev or Mudri Sahayev?
35:09How do you interpret it?
35:13See, now we have a question.
35:16We have a question.
35:18We have a question.
35:20We have a question.
35:22We have a question.
35:24Why do we have a question?
35:26The first problem is we have a question.
35:29We have a question.
35:32You can't have the cake and eat it too.
35:35Either you allow the publication.
35:38I don't agree with this.
35:48He is in a sensitive post.
35:51We are all bound by the official secret act of 1923.
35:55We have a chain of command, communication,
36:01build up to the decision.
36:06So, there are sensitive matters which you can't quote.
36:08Public cannot come to know about all this.
36:10The official secret act of 1923 is in direct conflict with RTA of 2005.
36:16That's right.
36:17It's not a debate.
36:18That's right.
36:19But that's right.
36:20You can't write everything for the public domain.
36:22And everybody can't take the decision.
36:24Everyone is talking about it.
36:26Everyone has no awareness.
36:28This is not an interpretation.
36:30This is not an event.
36:31This is not an event of yesterday.
36:36This is not an incident.
36:38This is not an incident.
36:43This is history.
36:44This is a history.
36:45We are in 1962.
36:46In 1962, we had just become independent of the country.
36:56That's why we were talking about Nehru, Hing, Barbu, Thamashi.
37:01It's been a long time since.
37:07You know, what time magazine wrote in 1962?
37:10You know, the R2 complex was there.
37:16In the battle, 121 people were there, company commander.
37:23And along with all soldiers, 114 people were killed by China.
37:27Six people were captured at PW's.
37:29One chap returned from that battle to tell the whole story how this battle was fought.
37:33You know what he writes?
37:38He says, everybody had a bullet on their chest or not on their back.
37:41You know what time magazine wrote after 1962 operations?
37:46Indian soldier needs everything except courage.
37:49Courage is one thing that he has in abundance.
37:52Everything else was lacking.
37:53Equipment was not there.
37:55Arms were not there.
37:57Ammunition was not there.
37:58Everything was not there.
38:00Decisiveness is not about,
38:04Oh, I have given you a free hand.
38:08No, that is not decisiveness.
38:09Building up to that fight.
38:11Six years, seven years, ten years, eleven years.
38:13You have to equip your army.
38:15You have to train your army.
38:16You have to strengthen your army.
38:17That is decisiveness.
38:18Contrary, what does Prime Minister say?
38:21You say it.
38:22You say it.
38:23Political leadership,
38:25General Naravani,
38:27I say it.
38:28I say it.
38:29I say it.
38:30I say it.
38:31I say it.
38:32What do you say, Prime Minister?
38:33No, no, no.
38:34See, first is, he should have spoken to General Naravani himself.
38:38He said it.
38:40He is after all speaking to the chief of army staff.
38:43And he is working for him.
38:45He was his choice.
38:46Actually, General Naravani, you choose.
38:48I don't know.
38:50I have forgotten the name.
38:51No, no.
38:52No, there was another person who was in line.
38:54There was no other person.
38:55I will give you the history behind this.
38:56That's okay.
38:57But you choose.
38:58The first thing is, Prime Minister should have come online.
39:02First, he says question about it.
39:04Given direction,
39:06he is going to find out what the ground realities are.
39:11Then say,
39:12See, these are my…
39:13Just like...
39:14We are going to tell you.
39:16We did not talk about it.
39:17The field marshal said,
39:19Manik Shah and Indira Gandhi were at the retail church.
39:22The church is over there and we have someone.
39:24We are going to throw everything here.
39:25Remember,
39:26you buy a messenger pool.
39:29That's right. That's right.
39:33Ultimately, you must understand one thing. This is a very serious situation, extremely serious situation.
39:43That's right. That's right.
40:01They are still progressing forward.
40:04In that critical period, Prime Minister should show leadership.
40:09That's right.
40:14See, the thing is, tanks do not move like that. It's not a terrain for tanks to move.
40:18Tanks will only stand and fire.
40:20Where tanks move, they are in deserts. Actually, tanks are meant for deserts.
40:24High-altitude region in the direct firing role helps the tanks position.
40:30It is a deterrent. It can't move. There is a limited line of communication and movement.
40:37That's right. There is a line of communication. High-mountain road.
40:40That's right.
40:42I don't agree with that. That is what I'm saying. He doesn't know.
40:47I don't agree with that. He doesn't know.
40:52I don't agree with that. That is what I'm saying. He doesn't know.
40:55I don't agree with that.
40:56I don't agree with that.
40:57I don't agree with that.
40:59That's right.
41:00It's not over the last couple of years.
41:01Yes.
41:02Joshi, sir.
41:03Joshi, sir.
41:04Joshi, sir.
41:05I have a question with Joshi, sir.
41:08Joshi, sir.
41:09Joshi, sir.
41:11how do you know the decision to go to war must be taken by political leadership not by the army
41:37the army cannot push the country into war that will be extremely reckless on the part of the army to do
41:42that or more barbara also are close to army generals who matter not raised much political
41:50level only are you normally here to come to see the cabinet committee on security there are mainly
41:55China study group is there China study group is informal body but your cabinet committee on
42:00security is a formal body that is preceded by the prime minister otherly defense ministers are
42:06right so our our love which are going to note the Parima the prime to a major modic kondu the
42:19economic fallout the political fallout the diplomatic fallout and whether we will get the support of
42:26Russia or u.s. in the in the context other nila nodi kondu he warg shuru madanata on the decision
42:34to go to war ravi Joshi sir so he is the president of ravi Joshi sir but the president of ravi Joshi sir
42:39ravi Joshi sir knock tank gala bartha ii dhu knock tank gala bartha kanta sandharabdalli
42:44knock tank gala bartha kanta sandharabdalli pradhaan mantri or illa new full-fledged war
42:47war maadi athwa non-allin political leadership jyothi maata artinii aalivareg yen maanbeedi antha kanta dana
42:54hei dhre iiwa thmaa ven charche madata ii dhu ii ga pahal gaam pahal gaam kare da attack bheeray ee nal kank gala barodhbhaa
43:04Nalk tank bandu, our tanks, actually you know our tanks were medium batted tanks, our tanks
43:17were far superior to the Chinese tanks and General Joshi could have easily taken up on
43:22those tanks and would have destroyed Malabu . But you have a direct question, the question
43:32is there is a protocol there on the China border that generals cannot fire, there is a fist
43:45fight, they are fighting with clubs and they all have weapons but they are not using the
43:52weapons because of this rule that you cannot fire, so that rule is held sacrosanct.
44:02So that rule violates Malakintam and General Narvani is clear.
44:09Yes, yes.
44:11H.N. Chandrasekhar.
44:12Brijesh Kalappa, you are talking about your speech.
44:15You have to give an advice to the people who have given you.
44:18You have to give an advice to them.
44:20Very beautiful question sir. One more question sir.
44:24The Press Cieves said that they were mislead and parted by an organization they were talking about Narwani and that it is not all collaboration around Narwani.
44:36Do they have to start a caravan?
44:38Yes, it is not all the other.
44:40The Press Cience on the magazine was not talking about Narwani.
44:44In the case of the defense, the security of the defense is completely assessed.
44:51In the case of the 1868 war, there is a letter from Anderson.
44:55You can't have permission.
44:57Why did you go there?
44:59You and us.
45:00Look, this is how the war has been released.
45:04Just escalation.
45:07In the case of the escalation,
45:09But you have to ask the local army to get the issue.
45:12In the 1980s, the Chinese people are saying,
45:15this is a Chinese attack on the Nathula,
45:17and they are saying,
45:19restrain, don't fire.
45:21But you will get the issue, then we will get the issue.
45:23Absolutely correct.
45:24Exactly.
45:24So, the local commander,
45:26G.O.A.S.T.,
45:27G.O.A.S.T.A.M.E. Division,
45:30that is the issue.
45:32That is why,
45:32the next one is just one person.
45:35And that is the issue,
45:36Now, the father of the Islamic regiment, he took the ditcher to fire.
45:41Sir, the last comment.
45:43Now, the last comment, Mudri Sir.
45:45Mr. Mudri Sir, there was a leak release.
45:46That's why there was a confusion.
45:48That's why there was a leak.
45:50If the leak release, there was an optional secret act violation.
45:54There were sensitive details.
45:56But you must see the background.
45:57Narwani, in 2021,
46:00he retired in April,
46:03that means he was not a pliable, loyal.
46:10Otherwise, Narwani would have become the CDS.
46:17Actually, he was the most eligible person to become CDS after Rawat.
46:22For nine months, CDS posed to Philip.
46:26In the month of June, July,
46:28government tweaked the eligibility criteria for CDS.
46:32Yes.
46:33He was the three-star general.
46:35Anil Chavana was the one.
46:37He was the one.
46:39He was the one.
46:40Otherwise, Narwani did not find favour with the government.
46:44Yes, sir.
46:45Even while in service.
46:46So, some publication houses do not release.
46:48Why is it controversial?
46:50Penguin house, why is it not written to MOD to release the book?
46:53They want to raise all such things,
46:58So, that book sells well also.
47:00Yes, last comment.
47:01I will hold the court as well,
47:04and I will hold the general Narwani.
47:06I will hold the BJP's as well,
47:08I will take my clarification on the Saryagmahiti.
47:13Yes, thank you, Kalapare.
47:14Thank you for joining us.
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