00:00And it's so interesting because we talk about Ilhan Omar there, don't we, Freddie?
00:05And what Donald Trump came out and said, as Isabel said, she just might have.
00:10She orchestrated this all herself.
00:12Once again, we know they don't get on at all.
00:15And that's quite important to point out.
00:18I want to just ask your thoughts on that.
00:20Also, when we talk about the protesters, I spoke to a really interesting reporter.
00:25has been on the streets of Minneapolis ever since these protests did break.
00:30And he did say to me, the protests are also ramping up.
00:35So things between both sides have really hit crisis.
00:40Yes, I think on Ilhan Omar, I mean, there's deep hatred between...
00:45...between Trump and her.
00:46And I don't think that's going to change anytime soon.
00:49I think on...
00:50On the protests generally, yes, it is absolutely appalling that these two people...
00:55...were killed in this way.
00:56There was no need for it to happen.
00:58But there is...
01:00...indeniably, a concerted attempt to stop ICE by a large...
01:05...number of people in Minneapolis.
01:07And if it wasn't so cold there at the moment, things would be a lot worse.
01:10Because the protests would be far more vigorous.
01:14And...
01:15The difficulty that a lot of the people who want to support...
01:20...the protesters are having is that actually, you know, on things like...
01:25...crime, Trump's policies on crime are divisive, they don't...
01:30...they poll quite well on crime, actually.
01:32And if you look at the actual results of what's happened in cities...
01:35...that he has, in some ways, militarised in the last few months, homicides are going down...
01:40...carjackings are going down, robberies are going down...
01:42...these facts are things that he will want to campaign...
01:45...on in the midterms.
01:46The problem he realised this week is that the...
01:50...optics of what's going on in Minneapolis are bad.
01:55And that is something that he has moved to address this week.
02:00And I think it's, you know, one of the rules of Trump 2.0 is never bend, never...
02:05...break.
02:06So never, you know, give in in the face of criticism or hostility...
02:10...in the media.
02:11But I think here has been a rare example where we have seen a bit of bending...
02:14...because we've seen...
02:15...Trump say, actually, this is not going right.
02:18This is not the way we should be carrying out deportation.
02:20ICE is getting itself in a lot of trouble and we want to change our tactics.
02:25To be continued...
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