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در قسمت این هفته از رینگ، نمایندگان پارلمان اروپا واربورن (EPP) و مولولی (Renew Europe) در پی تصمیم پارلمان برای ارجاع آن به دیوان دادگستری اتحادیه اروپا، در بحث داغ بر سر توافق اتحادیه اروپا و مرکوسور درگیر شدند.
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در قسمت این هفته از رینگ، نمایندگان پارلمان اروپا واربورن (EPP) و مولولی (Renew Europe) در پی تصمیم پارلمان برای ارجاع آن به دیوان دادگستری اتحادیه اروپا، در بحث داغ بر سر توافق اتحادیه اروپا و مرکوسور درگیر شدند.
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00:25This week, we zoom in on the hot-button issue of trade.
00:30From America to India, the EU has signed not one, but two massive trade.
00:35In 2026 alone, European business communities are euphoric.
00:40And farming communities are concerned.
00:41Luis Alberto has more.
00:45As global trade becomes increasingly entangled with geopolitics, the EU is
00:50being forced to rethink what its economic openness is for, growth or a situation.
00:55Strategic power.
00:56With the United States becoming a less reliable partner and China...
01:00...ever more dominant competitor, trade is no longer just about lowering tariffs...
01:05...and about securing supply chains, influence and autonomy.
01:09Negotiations...
01:10...with India, renewed momentum on a deal with Mercosur and outreach to Indo-Pacific...
01:15...partners reflect this shift.
01:17Supporters say these trade deals secure your...
01:20...of Europe's place in a fragmented global economy.
01:23Critics fear they hurt farmers.
01:25...weaken environmental standards and erode public trust.
01:30Can the EU use its standards as leverage rather than compromise them for access and influence?
01:35Or will internal divisions reduce it to a large market reacting to decisions...
01:40...made elsewhere?
01:41The questions we hope to pose to our contenders...
01:45...let's meet them.
01:46Kieran Malouli, an Irish MEP and...
01:50...a member of the Renew Europe Group.
01:52He is a Vice-Chair of the Special Committee on Housing...
01:55...and a member of the Committee on Regional Development.
01:58Before becoming an MEP, he worked...
02:00...as a journalist for over three decades.
02:02He has also been a consistent critic of the EU Mercosur...
02:05...trade agreement, arguing that in its current form...
02:08...it poses significant risks to...
02:10...European farmers, food standards and public health.
02:13The Mercosur trade deal...
02:15...will do nothing of substance for the non-agricultural sector in Europe, he said.
02:20Jürgen Warborn, a Swedish MEP and a...
02:25...member of the European People's Party Group.
02:27He serves on the Committee on International Trade...
02:30...where he has played a prominent role...
02:32...in shaping the European Parliament's trade policy agenda.
02:35His work focuses on strengthening the EU's competitiveness...
02:38...expanding international trade...
02:40...and supporting open markets.
02:42On the Mercosur deal, he said...
02:45...we owe citizens facts, not fear.
02:48The safeguards in this agreement are...
02:50...stronger than in any previous EU trade deal.
02:53Kieran Mululi and your...
02:55Jürgen Warborn, welcome to their ring.
02:58Yes.
02:59The idea here is to give...
03:00...our viewers a glimpse of what your debates are like...
03:02...inside the hemicycle, so I hope you feel right.
03:05...at home.
03:06Kieran Mululi, let's start with you.
03:07334 members of the European...
03:10Parliament voted in favour of referring the EU Mercosur deal...
03:13...to the European Court of...
03:15...justice.
03:16You were one of them.
03:17Why do you dislike this deal so much?
03:19Well, I suppose, firstly...
03:20...that issue on that vote last week...
03:21...wasn't entirely just on the Mercosur issue.
03:23It was on the issue of what were their...
03:25...wherefore, as a parliament, we're there, as you know...
03:27...to co-legislate and also to be the...
03:30...they'd be there to scrutinise trade deals as well.
03:32So, effectively, what we were asking for last week...
03:34...was one, just one...
03:35...is something at the moment, a legal referral.
03:37We want our top courts in Europe to look at the issues...
03:39...particularly look at that...
03:40...balancing mechanism.
03:41It's something new in terms of the parliament over the last 30 years.
03:45And as we know, the European Court of Justice moves very slowly...
03:48...so we could be looking at perhaps...
03:50...two more years before they finish their work.
03:53And 324...
03:55...members of the European Parliament disagreed with this...
03:57...and they voted against referring the deal to the...
04:00...the European Court of Justice.
04:01Tell you why you like the deal so much.
04:03I think the viewers saw...
04:05...that China is now pressing us on one part and the US...
04:10...on the other parts.
04:11From a geopolitical standpoint, this is a good deal.
04:14From an economic...
04:15...this is creating more jobs in Europe, so we need it.
04:20...as soon as possible.
04:21And you mentioned one of the issues...
04:25...that made you want to send it for a legal check.
04:28But that is not really true.
04:30That the rebalancing mechanism...
04:32...it's covered for within the agreement.
04:34There is...
04:35...no issue there.
04:36And there is a potentiality now...
04:37...that the deal could be provisionally...
04:40...implemented.
04:41...and that's what we need now because...
04:42How would you feel about that?
04:43If the Commission already...
04:45I have a major problem.
04:46I have a major problem.
04:47Just to stick with the vote this week...
04:50...that the majority of our MEPs...
04:52...in all around Europe...
04:53...have felt that this issue needs to be...
04:55...referred.
04:56It needs to be looked at in depth.
04:57Remember...
04:58...right across Europe...
04:59...technology is like a...
05:00...in France and Poland.
05:01127 MEPs in those areas voted yes...
05:04...for this...
05:05...decision.
05:06They represent the biggest industries...
05:07...in Europe.
05:08Germany, the biggest economy...
05:09...is in favour.
05:10But the French MEPs...
05:10...and the...
05:11...and the Polish...
05:12...to a person.
05:13Representing industries in Bordeaux...
05:14...and Paris...
05:15...in Amst...
05:16...and right across Warsaw...
05:17...and yet they said...
05:18...we need a legal referral.
05:19I trust that you...
05:20...Jürgen, do you not trust their...
05:21...judgment that this needs to go back...
05:23...to terms of industry...
05:24...and their countries?
05:25No, it's the...
05:25...the other way around.
05:26I mean...
05:27...it's in...
05:28...for the rebalancing mechanism...
05:29...as you mentioned...
05:30...is one of the most important...
05:31...part from you...
05:32...it is actually in the agreement.
05:34So you might not...
05:35...but they wanted to be reviewed...
05:36...obviously...
05:37So why did you want to review it?
05:38Members of Parliament...
05:39...why did...
05:40...members of Parliament...
05:41...are asked to come forward...
05:42...and to represent...
05:43...their constituents?
05:44The...
05:45...in...
05:45...industries...
05:46...in France...
05:47...and in Poland...
05:48...and in Ireland said...
05:49...we don't...
05:50...we want to see...
05:51...a proper legal review.
05:50If you read...
05:51...article 21 14 10 C...
05:53...you will see...
05:54...the rebalancing mechanism...
05:55...out there.
05:56Have you read that article?
05:57I guess you didn't...
05:58No, I haven't...
05:59...but I've looked at the...
06:00That's why...
06:01...that's why you voted...
06:02...the way you...
06:00...to the precedents...
06:01...that's sort of been suggested...
06:02...as precedents...
06:03...in the precedents cases...
06:04...there were previous...
06:05...trades...
06:05...trades...
06:06...treat agreements...
06:07...with the European Union...
06:08...there was no previous...
06:09...trades over その国 trade...
06:10...and in those circumstances...
06:11...
06:27French, in Bordeaux, in Paris, in Warsaw, say we want a legal review of this agreement.
06:32What are you afraid of, Jürgen? Are you afraid it will come back, that it will not come back at all?
06:36No, no.
06:37I'm afraid of losing economic...
06:42I'm afraid of losing jobs in Europe, I'm afraid of...
06:47I'm afraid of the small business owners, I'm afraid of all that growth that Europe needs in this...
06:52My issue, and one of the big issues I have with this deal, is the scale of it. It's overrated.
06:57It's overstated. I'm pro-trade. I'm in favour of the EU-India trade agreement.
07:02I was cheering yesterday morning. Why? Because of the scale of it.
07:05We're talking about a country with 1.5...
07:071.5 billion people, as opposed to Mercosur with 300 million people. We're talking about a country...
07:12with limited trade opportunities, as opposed to India, which has shown a willingness to trade.
07:16These are...
07:17They're totally different situations. You're afraid they won't come back. The scale is not there, Jürgen.
07:22I'm not really worried.
07:23Oh, the scale is definitely there. It's 270 million...
07:271.5 billion consumers in the Mercosur countries.
07:291.5 million...
07:30No, but I'd like to have both.
07:31I'm not arguing with that.
07:32I'd like to have both. We have US pressing us with terrorists. We have China pressing us with...
07:37subsidies, and you are choosing one agreement. I'm choosing two. And you, you...
07:42say, well, it's not enough growth, but it's still growth.
07:44And Kieran, are you not worried about the EU's relevance on the...
07:47global stage?
07:48I'm...
07:49EU has to be relevant. We have to do trade deals, but I...
07:52By delaying the deal, we're laughing so...
07:54I want to trade with countries, mate. I want to trade with countries that are not putting...
07:57cutting down the rainforest. I want to trade with countries that do not have a major issue
08:01with regard to food...
08:02quality and food safety.
08:03Did you not read the fine print of the safeguards?
08:05Look, don't talk to me about safeguards...
08:07We really discussed safeguards with regard to the...
08:09Let's talk about the safeguards.
08:10In a European context.
08:12Let's look at the safeguards.
08:13We've had tremendous agreements in this House going over the last number of years.
08:16Do you remember the E...
08:17We had a marvellous safeguarding article too which said if any of the parties...
08:22were particularly guilty in terms of breach of human rights, there was going to be a problem.
08:27I wonder, has Israel actually breached article?
08:28Do most people in the UN think they have?
08:30Have you seen the safeguard cut in?
08:32Have we suspended the agreement, Jürgen?
08:33Why haven't we suspended?
08:34That was a safeguard.
08:35It was never implemented.
08:37What happened to that?
08:37Are you mindful of these concerns?
08:39It's the strongest safeguards in...
08:42In any trade agreements.
08:44Okay?
08:44It's not been stronger...
08:46But does it work?
08:47Any.
08:47Yeah.
08:47Okay?
08:48So, there is...
08:525% if the price increases by more than 5% and the volume...
08:57Increases by more than 5% farmers are protected.
09:01And that...
09:02That's not only the protection for farmers, it's also the tariff rate quotas...
09:06Who will ring the bell?
09:06When...
09:07So, you have three...
09:08Will they be protected next year, this year, following year?
09:10Well, that's also the...
09:12One thing, this is unprecedented when it comes to the safeguards.
09:17How fast they will kick in.
09:18So, nobody knows, is the answer.
09:20It's in 25, 21 days.
09:22It's also in the...
09:23It's on 21 days before.
09:24Unlimited import quotas on sensitive products...
09:26It's 21 days.
09:26Does that not...
09:27Does that not satisfy you?
09:27We know.
09:27I think...
09:28And Ursula von der Rijn, she sat down, she met with the farmers on the sidelines...
09:32Of that EU summit that took place before Christmas.
09:34Was that not enough?
09:35Maeve, when I came to this parliament on the very...
09:37The very first week, I met Ursula von der Rijn, and I raised this issue on day one.
09:40And in that meeting in...
09:42Parliament in Strasbourg, she said to me, but Ciarán, we are working with the farmers in Brazil.
09:46Things...
09:47Things are going to be different.
09:48They are already improving the situation.
09:50And yes, in my...
09:52Member State, in the last six months, we've seen Brazilian meat come in with legal growth...
09:57Promoters involved with carcinogenic products, and not just come in, but go straight...
10:02Into the food chain, and be consumed.
10:04She told me, this was not going to happen again.
10:06It did happen.
10:06How...
10:07Can we trust...
10:07And this, of course, has been a massive scandal, and covered a lot in the last couple of weeks in Ireland.
10:11These are...
10:12These are the genuine concerns that communities in Ireland, and France, and Greece, in fact, have been farmers out protesting.
10:17So how do you address those concerns, and viewers here today who are concerned?
10:20You know, I think that is a...
10:22Valid argument, actually.
10:24One of your first valid arguments, which is...
10:27This is also why the Commission has acted on this.
10:30And the standards...
10:32They are there, no matter the Mercosur Trade Agreement or not, they will be...
10:37It will not change with the agreement, we will still have our standards, there will still be...
10:42reports of products from the Mercosur countries, but we will lose out on the opportunities.
10:47How do we then make sure that consumers, animal welfare...
10:52And plant protection is there.
10:54We do checks.
10:55More checks.
10:56And...
10:57Of course, these...
10:58And money.
10:59I know there's 6.3...
11:00Hang on.
11:01Hang on.
11:02Hang on.
11:02Hang on.
11:03Hang on.
11:04Hang on.
11:05Hang on.
11:06Hang on.
11:07Hang on.
11:08Hang on.
11:09Hang on.
11:11Hang on.
11:12Hang on.
11:12stop you there because actually we're just getting warmed up here and it's time to take the gloves off.
11:17So now you both have the opportunity to
11:22kick off with your own questions so I will stay quiet for a minute.
11:24Kiran you go ahead please with your first question.
11:27I've got to ask Jurgen up straight if he knows what antimicrobial resistance is in terms of
11:32medical situation.
11:33It's basically a medical condition which occurs after
11:37the overuse of antibiotics.
11:39It's something that affects you and me.
11:40Forget about the animals for the moment.
11:42It's you and me.
11:43Your kids, your family and if in an emergency situation you go into hospital you were
11:47to require antibiotics if you've been exposed to more antibiotics than you knew in the course of your life.
11:52You're in big trouble.
11:53Brazilian media is coming in the end of the day.
11:55We know antibiotics are in it.
11:56We've seen.
11:57In my country we've had an expose with regard to right across Brazil.
12:01It's still going on.
12:02So the question is very straightforward.
12:03The question is very straightforward at the end of the day.
12:06What price do you put?
12:07On the safety of your family.
12:08So the meat is coming in no matter with them.
12:12Is it a Mercosur agreement or not?
12:14And what happens if we have the Mercosur agreement?
12:17Is that we increase the checks.
12:19In fact we will do 50%
12:22more checks
12:23in the Mercosur countries.
12:25We will do 33%
12:27more checks
12:28at the border
12:29at the European borders
12:31and there will
12:32be a task force
12:33to improve
12:34the border
12:35efficiency.
12:36So actually
12:37for health
12:38for people
12:39and for animals
12:41and for the plants.
12:42there will be more checks
12:43there will be more checks
12:44with the Mercosur agreement
12:45than without the argument.
12:47You can guarantee this?
12:48Yes.
12:49Because on the 25th of September
12:50last year
12:51they came into Ireland
12:52I've asked the Commission
12:53since that
12:54about the checks
12:55where the meat came from
12:56where it went to
12:57the Commission doesn't know.
12:58They still don't know.
12:59Five months later
13:00So you're not reassured
13:01by what Jürgen said?
13:02That's a fact.
13:03We can ask
13:04anybody in the Parliament
13:05next week
13:06when we ask the Commissioner
13:07where it is
13:07where did it come from?
13:08Where did it go?
13:09The checks.
13:10But are your voters
13:11not excited about
13:12cheaper stakes?
13:13Fortunately
13:14the EU
13:12one of the fantastic things
13:13about the EU
13:14is the focus on quality
13:15and health over the years.
13:17our Irish consumer
13:18largely
13:19our Irish consumer
13:20wants to see the continuation
13:21of proper quality.
13:22and safe food.
13:23That's the big issue for me.
13:24Safe food
13:25and your family
13:26and my family
13:27we can be sure about reason.
13:27your opportunity now
13:28to pose your first question
13:29please to Ciarán Malouly.
13:30We have US and China
13:31pressing
13:32us from two parts.
13:33It's been very hard
13:35with US lately
13:36and we need
13:37more trade agreements.
13:38India
13:39it's very good
13:40that you are
13:41pro the India
13:42one and we have several others.
13:44The Chile one
13:45I guess you voted for
13:46as well.
13:47Why do you choose
13:49not to have the growth
13:51that comes
13:52with the Mercosur agreement.
13:53You say it's too small
13:54but it's still growth.
13:55It's still more jobs.
13:57for European businesses.
14:00It supports small
14:01and medium
14:02sized businesses.
14:03We need growth in Europe.
14:05So why can you not help.
14:07with providing that growth.
14:09It's a fair question.
14:10The geopolitical situation
14:11has been
14:12one of the big
14:13unsettling issues
14:14as I joined the parliament.
14:15Every week
14:16there's a different agenda.
14:17usually driven by the United States
14:18or otherwise.
14:19But the point is
14:20you're right.
14:21We need to do more trade.
14:22But for me
14:22as an MAP
14:23I have to balance
14:24on one side
14:25the better good
14:26of the EU
14:27and on the other side
14:27the better good the economy
14:28of the EU
14:29and when the people of France
14:30and the people of Poland
14:31the people of
14:32Austria, Ireland
14:33and even Belgium
14:34have come in and said
14:35at the end of the day
14:36we have more to lose
14:37in a deal
14:38of this size
14:39because it's so small.
14:40That's what they're saying to me.
14:41Even though I don't know
14:42if the French
14:42economy should be a good example.
14:43Well nevertheless
14:44the French are united on this.
14:45We've seen it in the
14:47parliament.
14:48I mean 127 MAPs can be wrong.
14:49Can they all be wrong Jürgen?
14:50Yes.
14:51They can all be wrong.
14:52Yes.
14:53I'm afraid that's a bit of a
14:54statement about you
14:55and democracy
14:56because at the end of the day
14:57they represent left, right and right.
14:57middle.
14:58Ciarán Mullooly, you've transferred
14:59another question there.
15:00Are you in favour of a deal
15:02which...
15:02at the end of the day
15:03continues to leave workers in Brazil
15:05on an average monthly salary...
15:07of just €1,000.
15:08It's doing nothing for trade.
15:10How could you support that?
15:11Nothing for employees.
15:12and workers in Brazil.
15:13You're right answer.
15:14So...
15:15if we vote down the...
15:17the Mercosur trade agreement.
15:19How will it help the...
15:20the workers in Brazil?
15:22how will it help the...
15:24the workers in...
15:25in Europe?
15:26in Ireland?
15:27It will be the opposite.
15:28And we spoke about it.
15:30It's about growth.
15:31You...
15:32Europe is facing a huge growth problem.
15:35And it's good that the commission is now...
15:37pushing...
15:38to change this position.
15:40We have the Draga report.
15:41We need to do a lot of things.
15:42The rest of the world is growing faster than Europe.
15:46And that's why...
15:47we need to tap into that growth.
15:49And we do that with the...
15:51with the trade agreement.
15:52But you decide that you do not want to tap into that growth.
15:55To 270...
15:57millions consumers...
15:58I look at the facts...
15:59that can sell the cars...
16:00I look at the facts though.
16:01The farmers...
16:02Yeah.
16:02I also look at the facts...
16:03But the trade unions tell us that...
16:05and actually I misquoted...
16:06500 euros per...
16:07month...
16:08is the average one.
16:09At the top 10%...
16:10are on 1200 euros per month.
16:11That's today.
16:12That's today.
16:12That has been the way for some time.
16:13And you know that.
16:14So...
16:15And...
16:16With an agreement...
16:17The point is...
16:17complicates this matter as well.
16:18Just to complicate it even further for you.
16:20You want to sell...
16:21People want to sell cars...
16:22into this community.
16:23How many of these workers...
16:24are going to be able to afford...
16:25a Volvo car?
16:26At that...
16:27At that wage?
16:28At that salary?
16:29Never.
16:30Allow Mr. Warman to answer.
16:31No...
16:32Much more.
16:32Of the workers will afford it...
16:34if we have the Mercosur agreement.
16:36Not a chance.
16:37Because economic development...
16:39will increase...
16:40with the agreement.
16:41That's what trade does.
16:42actually the European export...
16:44will grow by 39%.
16:46That's...
16:47It's a huge possibility...
16:49for cars...
16:50for car parts...
16:51for machine...
16:52machinery...
16:53for...
16:54pharmaceutical products...
16:55and for farmers.
16:56And that's why...
16:57industry have called it...
16:58the big trophy...
16:59that they took home...
17:00from Paraguay.
17:01And you mentioned...
17:02Mario Draghi.
17:02he has been invited...
17:03to the EU leaders...
17:04retreat in February...
17:05and that just describes...
17:06how bad really...
17:07our economy is...
17:07right now...
17:08What Kieran is doing...
17:09is saying...
17:10saying no...
17:11to growth.
17:12And I'm saying yes.
17:12to growth.
17:13I'm saying balance.
17:14I'm saying balance it out.
17:15Well I'm curious to hear...
17:16what our viewers think...
17:17do write to us...
17:17at yournews.com...
17:18to tell us our view...
17:19but now I would like...
17:20to bring in...
17:21another voice...
17:22because regular...
17:22viewers here on Euronews...
17:23will have noticed...
17:24that Ursula von der Leyen...
17:25was in New Delhi...
17:26earlier this week...
17:27and the red carpet...
17:28was rolled out...
17:29for her.
17:30We can take a listen...
17:31to what she had to say...
17:32at the EU India Historic Summit.
17:37We did it.
17:39We delivered...
17:40the mother of all deals.
17:42and this is the tale...
17:43of two giants...
17:45the world's second...
17:46and fourth...
17:47largest economies...
17:48two giants...
17:49who choose partnership...
17:50two giants...
17:51who choose partnership...
17:52in a true win-win fashion...
17:55a strong message...
17:56that corporate...
17:57collaboration...
17:58is the best answer...
17:59to global challenges.
18:00Ursula von der Leyen...
18:01there also...
18:02charming...
18:03the Indian...
18:04communities there...
18:05with her...
18:06traditional dress...
18:07this is...
18:07not so controversial...
18:08as the Mercosur.
18:09Why do you...
18:10really like...
18:11the EU India Deal?
18:12it's a...
18:13it's a huge deal...
18:14it's a...
18:15it's a...
18:16it's a fantastic...
18:17market...
18:18for European...
18:19products...
18:20it's 1.4 billion...
18:21consumers...
18:22there...
18:23and...
18:24in a time...
18:25where...
18:26once again...
18:27when we are...
18:28oppressed...
18:29by U.S.
18:30we've seen...
18:31chicken,
18:32beef,
18:32sugar...
18:33are protected...
18:34here...
18:35which...
18:35fight with the farmers in front of the Parliament.
18:37Which is why it's a good deal. You know what? I think
18:39the EU negotiators have...
18:40have learned from Mercosur, having waited for 20 years, and we've seen it, little or no.
18:45beef involved in this deal at all.
18:47So that's why your voters will love it, because there's no beef here.
18:50The indigenous industry, right across Europe.
18:52So at the end of the day, Europe must protect its markets as well.
18:55So the balance was needed, and she's found the balance.
18:57We're quite happy with this, but Irish whisky will sell into India...
19:00better volumes than ever before, we're really pleased about it.
19:02But we're also glad to see it going the other way, we think it's...
19:05good for Europe, because of the scale.
19:07That's the key issue here. Balance what Europe has, and the scale of what's...
19:10possible. And so now the workforce is... they can afford to buy a...
19:15what you mean, in India.
19:17And the Irish can afford to buy another car in...
19:20I don't know what the whisky sales increase. It's a win-win. It's a win-win.
19:23Which will happen in Mercosur as well.
19:25Not because of the scale you're... I'm quite genuine about that.
19:27It will scale. It doesn't have the scale. That's a...
19:29If you look, say, in Ireland...
19:30we've got half a billion sales already into India in terms of whisky. Already!
19:35That's where we start. Whereas the Mercosur exports are tiny, from an Irish perspective.
19:39270 million...
19:40I think the viewers can assess that.
19:431.5? 1.4 billion?
19:45We will continue discussing it in one minute, but just... we must take a short break here
19:49on The Ring, but...
19:50Stay with us, because we'll be back very soon with some more political punch from the Parliament.
19:55You, too.
19:56You, too.
19:57You, too.
19:58You...
19:59You, too.
20:00Welcome back to The Ring.
20:05Eury News' weekly debating show here, broadcasting from the Parliament in Brussels.
20:10We're joined by MEPs Ciaran Mullooly and Jorgen Warburne, and the idea here is to bring the Parliament...
20:15...debates to your sofa.
20:16So, what about you?
20:18Well, according to a recent Europe...
20:20...eurobarometer, what do Europeans think of the EU trade policy?
20:23Well, 77%...
20:25...support the EU's common trade policy.
20:2883% say that the EU...
20:30...should strengthen its economic independence and diversify its trade relations, but...
20:35...at least 75% of citizens agree that agriculture...
20:40...international imports should only ever enter the European Union if they comply with...
20:45...the EU's environmental, animal welfare and labour standards.
20:49Are you surprised that...
20:50No, not a bit.
20:51Not a bit.
20:52I'm pro-trade, and I'm the person who says we've got to make these deals...
20:55...and make sure they're the right deals.
20:56But the key one is the last stat, the 75%.
20:59At the end of the day, people...
21:00...want to have safe food.
21:01And if the safeguards are to mean anything, then they've got to come back in front of...
21:05...the Parliament, we start looking at them again, we've got to find out...
21:07...where did the meat come from last September in Ireland?
21:09Nobody...
21:10Nobody knows.
21:11It's still a mystery.
21:12We cannot go forward until we have clear safeguards on these issues.
21:15Jorgen, your reaction there to that data?
21:17I'm not surprised at all.
21:18Well, if I am surprised...
21:20It's rather that the last number isn't higher, because of course...
21:25...we're all concerned with food safety, and my point is that with the emergency...
21:30...apresour agreement, food safety will actually increase.
21:33We will have more checks...
21:3550% more checks in the Mercosur countries, 33% more checks at our border...
21:40...the task force of increasing efficiently, efficiently.
21:43So, I guess that...
21:45...that means that we will find the meat or other products that are...
21:50...that are not good for us.
21:51So, why is the EU Mercosur deal so toxic then?
21:54Is there a communication...
21:55...issue here?
21:56Have you been miscommunicating this deal and the benefits perhaps?
21:58I think so.
21:59And, you know...
22:00I also admit that there are sensitive products...
22:03...for the agriculture sector as well...
22:05...it's huge potential for dairy, for wine, for...
22:10...a lot of different products, but for some products...
22:13...they are sensitive.
22:14It's beef.
22:15It's poultry.
22:16It's sugar.
22:17It's a few others.
22:18But here the Commission has really been clever...
22:20...negotiating it.
22:21It's tariff rate quotas, meaning...
22:23...the volumes are small.
22:25Relatively small.
22:261.5% maximum in consumption of the European...
22:30...for beef.
22:31One steak per year.
22:32One steak per year.
22:33One steak per year.
22:34One steak per year.
22:35And then it goes, and then it grows, and then it grows.
22:36That's the way you...
22:37No, it doesn't.
22:38It's in the agreement.
22:39So it's one steak per year.
22:40And then, with the quotas, then you have the safeguards...
22:44...meaning that price...
22:45...if the prices cannot decrease too much, then tariffs kick in.
22:48And there is also an insurance...
22:50...policy in terms of money.
22:51I think the good news on the vote last week is that...
22:54...Europe is changing its mind.
22:55...about the entire America's ordeal now.
22:57We've seen...
22:58Who is?
22:59I was told that...
23:00Who in Europe?
23:01I haven't seen...
23:00The Commission President, change your mind.
23:01I think social...
23:02To be very clear about it...
23:03These statistics says something else.
23:04To be very clear about it...
23:05To be very clear about it...
23:05When we voted on...
23:06But just who has changed their mind?
23:07I'm really curious.
23:08Can I answer the question?
23:09Last year when we had a vote...
23:10We had 10...
23:11...11 Social Democrats...
23:12...who abstained.
23:13This week they voted in favour...
23:15...through the legal agreement.
23:16I believe they'll vote...
23:17...to knock down Mercosur.
23:18That's who's changed their mind.
23:19That's...
23:20That's why we won this week, by the way.
23:21It wasn't...
23:22So the left put the motion for it.
23:23The right were involved.
23:24But at the end of the day...
23:25It was Social Democrats...
23:26...from Romania and Hungary...
23:28...that changed their mind...
23:29...of this situation.
23:30And that's happening...
23:31...right across the border...
23:32...with regard to Mercosur.
23:33But it's very political.
23:34Because of the safety issues.
23:35It's very political too.
23:35It's about food quality.
23:36It's about politics too.
23:37You asked the question...
23:38...what did the commission do wrong?
23:39The commission failed...
23:40...to recognise the cultural problem...
23:41...in Brazil.
23:42This is a...
23:43This is an examination...
23:44...that went over three...
23:45...thousand kilometres...
23:46...over 14...
23:47You disagree, sir.
23:48It's right across...
23:49Mr. Warren...
23:50It can't change...
23:50...not overnight.
23:51You can't.
23:52Tyrion is putting forward...
23:53...great arguments...
23:54...for...
23:55...provision...
23:55...in international application...
23:56...actually.
23:57Meaning that...
23:58...the Mercosur agreement...
23:59...should now start...
24:00...to be in force...
24:01...as soon as possible...
24:03...because the...
24:04...because the...
24:05...because the...
24:05...vote last week...
24:06...you didn't...
24:07...you didn't read...
24:08...the agreement...
24:09...but you...
24:10...still voted...
24:11...to send it...
24:12...for legal...
24:13...checks...
24:14...meaning that...
24:15...what you are really...
24:15...against...
24:16...is the Mercosur agreement...
24:17...and that's why...
24:18...it was a...
24:19...delaying...
24:20...process...
24:20...from you...
24:21...and some colleagues...
24:22...but we cannot...
24:23...afford to delay...
24:24...the process...
24:25...we have...
24:25...been negotiating this...
24:26...for 25 years...
24:27...25 years...
24:28...and now we need...
24:29...to put it into force...
24:30...and I think...
24:31...forget about 250...
24:32...not happening...
24:33...no, no, no...
24:34...we do more...
24:35...checks...
24:36...so when we put it...
24:35...into...
24:36...interaction...
24:37...then...
24:38...export will grow...
24:39...jobs will grow...
24:40...and that will be...
24:41...very good for you...
24:42...it won't grow...
24:43...that's the trees...
24:44...in the Amazon...
24:45...you seem to have...
24:46...forgotten that issue...
24:45...and I'm sure your Swedish...
24:46...viewers are interested...
24:47...in that as well...
24:48...we heard...
24:49...at Christmas...
24:50...that's why we have...
24:50...soil producers...
24:51...in Brazil...
24:52...are going back...
24:53...into the rainforest...
24:54...and that's what you're voting...
24:55...and that's what you're voting...
24:55...that's what you're voting...
24:56...that's what you're voting...
24:57...that's a fact...
24:58...no, no, no...
24:59...they have...
25:00...an agreement...
25:00...once again...
25:01...they have breached an agreement...
25:02...and they're going back...
25:03...into the rainforest...
25:04...we're going to see more trees...
25:05...cut than ever before...
25:05...and you're saying...
25:06...that's fine...
25:07...we're going to go ahead...
25:08...on a provision...
25:09...I want to continue...
25:10...quizzing you...
25:10...so haven't we...
25:11...the EU deforestation...
25:12...so that's the view from...
25:13...you didn't read the agreement...
25:14...so that's the view from...
25:15...you didn't read the agreement...
25:15That is the view from Ciarán Mullooly and Jorgen Varburn.
25:17Now it is time, though, to move on to our...
25:20...fifth and final round. Are you ready?
25:25So I'm going to ask our MEPs a set of questions, and you own...
25:30...and we can answer with a yes or no. Is that doable?
25:33Debatable.
25:34Debatable.
25:35Not easy at all.
25:36Is Ursula von der Leyen a good leader? Ciarán, yes or no?
25:39No.
25:40Do you like that Brussels trades on behalf of the 27, Ciarán?
25:44Yes, in Ciarán.
25:45Is globalisation a good thing, Jorgen?
25:50Yes.
25:51Yes, in control and regulated.
25:53Ciarán, is the EU relevant...
25:55...on the world stage now in 2026?
25:57Yes, is the answer, and I'm a big believer in that.
25:59But we have to be even more...
26:00...relevant and not reacting to the US and other parties or the world powers.
26:03Yes, and with the Mercosur agreement...
26:05...even more so.
26:06Was it a mistake to sign the EU-US trade deal back?
26:10In Scotland back in July?
26:12No.
26:13Yes, because we were bullied.
26:15On that Sunday in July, our president of the commission was bullied into submission.
26:19Now...
26:20Should that deal be ratified, yes or no?
26:23I think it should stay suspended.
26:25Until we clarify exactly what's going on in the United States.
26:27We need that deal.
26:29We need it concrete and...
26:30You thought we had us...
26:30Struggling there with the yes or no, Mr. Malouli.
26:32We need more predictability.
26:34I say more.
26:34We cannot...
26:35We cannot create a lot of...
26:36We cannot create absolutely stable situation for businesses.
26:40So should the deal be ratified?
26:41It should, because it creates more predictability than today.
26:44Final question, Mr. Malouli.
26:45Mr. Malouli, did you agree with anything that Jorgen Warbon said today?
26:48Oh, I certainly did.
26:49I mean, we...
26:50Overall trade, Jorgen is right.
26:52We need to do the big deals.
26:53That's why I'm happy with India.
26:55But it all comes down, at the end of the day, for me, to a personal choice.
26:58Jorgen, would you be happy with your family eating?
27:00Brazilian meat tomorrow?
27:01And what about you?
27:02Yes.
27:03Yes, absolutely.
27:04I do eat...
27:05Brazilian meat and Irish meat and Swedish meat.
27:07You have no idea where it came from?
27:08I have no problems with that.
27:09And just a final point with you, did you...
27:10Do you agree with anything Kieran Malouli said here today?
27:12Yes, I think it is very good that Kieran is supportive of...
27:15of the Indian...
27:16Indian...
27:17The agreement with India.
27:19We need that.
27:20We need more trade agreements in general.
27:22What a lively debate.
27:23I think we've given our viewers a real glimpse.
27:25of what it's like inside the heated hemicycle.
27:27Thank you so much, Jorgen Warburne and Kieran Malouli.
27:30for being our guests.
27:31It was great to hear your views.
27:32And we'd also like to hear yours.
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