00:00Et je suis venu ici par l'international affairs éditeur Ketavan Gorghastani.
00:03Ketavan, comment est-ce que vous êtes?
00:05Est-ce que vous pensez que ces changements sont ?
00:07Est-ce qu'on a vraiment un tournoi ici ?
00:10Well, look, first of all, we're waiting to see exactly how the White House frame...
00:15...the possible departure of Greg Bovino, because so far the DHS...
00:20...has denied that he had been removed from his role.
00:23That said, the report...
00:25...is that he will be leaving Minneapolis, and you have Tom Homan, the border czar, that's coming in to...
00:30...to take over the operations, so clearly there's some movement there, and the fact that we...
00:35...might be seeing Greg Bovino move out of the spotlight is important because...
00:40...he was the very public face of Operation Metro Surge, which was the operation...
00:45...taking place in Minneapolis, and he had at times had shocking...
00:50...the public with his controversial outfits and his...
00:55...controversial comments, when he said that Alex Preddy, for example...
01:00...people had wanted to massacre law enforcement officials...
01:05...now you have to combine this with also the conciliary...
01:10...the tone, the change of tone between Donald Trump and the Democratic officials...
01:15...the governor, Tim Walz, as well as the mayor of Minneapolis, Jacob Frye...
01:20...and the possibility now that we could see at least some federal...
01:25...forces be removed from Minneapolis, and the final appointment...
01:30...of that sort of turn, it seems, is the White House trying to distance...
01:35...itself from DHS Secretary Christine Noem and from Stephen Miller...
01:40...and some of the comments that they made after the death of Alex Preddy...
01:43...when they called him a domestic...
01:45...terrorist and said that he was to blame for attacking law enforcement...
01:50...of officials yesterday, the press secretary at the briefing was...
01:55...and asked if Donald Trump agreed with Christine Noem, with Stephen Miller...
02:00...when he was using those terms to characterize Preddy...
02:03...and she said that she had never heard...
02:05...the U.S. president characterized Alex Preddy in those words...
02:10...instead saying that the president, what he really wanted was an investigation into...
02:15...what happened, so all of this shows that clearly the White House is taking a step...
02:20...back, they're realizing that this is becoming a liability, why are they realizing that there's...
02:25...of course, the pressure from the street, those intense marches and protests...
02:30...in Minneapolis, the polls, poll after poll is showing that Americans...
02:35...are losing trust in immigration enforcement...
02:40...especially ICE, and it's not just Democrats, it's not just Independents, you're already seeing...
02:45...that Republicans even, are no longer comfortable with the way ICE...
02:50...is operating, and finally, you have the growing criticism from Republican...
02:55...lawmakers, and not just the usual suspects who've been at times critical of Donald Trump...
03:00...people who have never wanted to go against Donald Trump, who are now saying, this is enough...
03:05...this needs to stop, this is not how we should be handling it, and we need an investigation...
03:10...all of that, it seems, has forced a little bit the hand of Donald Trump, and it's...
03:15...rare enough in this first year to note when the US president seemingly...
03:20...decides to at least backtrack a little bit from what he wanted to do.
03:24That's where we are now.
03:25What might we expect, then, going forward?
03:27Well, look, as much as this looks...
03:30...like a step back, and it is likely a step back, that doesn't mean that Donald Trump is giving up...
03:35...on his immigration crackdown, because that is one of the key policies on which he was...
03:40...elected and of his first term.
03:43This is not about...
03:45...about removing fully ICE and Border Patrol forces...
03:50...from Minneapolis.
03:51As we said, Tom Homan, the border czar, he's going there...
03:55...he's going to be in charge of the operations, and he will be reporting directly...
04:00...to Donald Trump.
04:02He is clearly no Greg Bovino.
04:05He...
04:05...be seen as someone who has way more experience, who is more professional...
04:10...in how he deals with things, and his work with both ICE...
04:15...and immigration enforcement at large, goes back to Barack Obama...
04:20...actually, who had nominated him to work for ICE, partly, but...
04:25...he is no angel when it comes to immigration crackdown, and he is very...
04:30...much likely to enforce what Donald Trump wants to do, and Donald Trump himself...
04:35...has not shown any signs or any intention of backing down on the broader...
04:40...immigration crackdown in the United States.
04:43Maybe they're going to change a little bit the...
04:45...tactics, but they're not backing down on the idea of...
04:50...moving undocumented immigrants from the United States.
04:53Caroline Levitt said just...
04:55...that yesterday, saying hundreds of thousands of the worst illegal aliens are...
05:00...left to deport.
05:01So, that is likely going to go forward.
05:04The question is...
05:05...what tactics will be used?
05:07Will they have learned from what happened in Minneapolis and...
05:10...elsewhere?
05:11The other question is...
05:12...what form of accountability are we going to see...
05:15...for the people who were involved so far?
05:20...as I said earlier, there's no sign that Bovino was actually...
05:25...fired, he might be moved to another place.
05:27The question is...
05:28...will there be any accountability...
05:30...for him, for the DHS secretary, Christine Ohm...
05:33...and even the big question...
05:35...of course, those officers who were involved in Alex Peretti's killing.
05:40...will they be prosecuted?
05:42Will they be convicted?
05:43What will happen there?
05:44So far...
05:45...everyone's focused on removing those federal forces from...
05:50...in Minneapolis, but going forward...
05:52...there will likely have to be an investigation...
05:55...which is what everyone now is calling for...
05:57...and then see where that takes us.
06:00...all to follow.
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