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00:00If anyone thinks here, again, that the European Union or Europe as a whole can defend itself...
00:05...without the US, keep on dreaming. You can't. We can't. We need each other.
00:10I think he is very important to NATO. He is totally committed to NATO.
00:15He had one big irritant, one big pebble in the shoe, which is there since Eisenhower, the fact that...
00:20...the Europeans were not paying up. I'm not sure I can answer them all, but I'll do my best.
00:24So...
00:25...to really delve into the questions and take them one by one...
00:30...and then also clustering them a little bit. European architecture, how to avoid...
00:35...there are political differences, was the question, how to prevent...
00:40...the community. I would say it is our strength that we have our political differences.
00:45And the fact that we have these political differences means that we are democracies with free press.
00:50...with demonstrations on the street, if necessary, with various parties from...
00:55...the European governments. And I would say it is the strength of this organisation, of NATO and also of the EU, that...
01:00...that we are based on this principle of democracy. So I would respectfully...
01:05...and I would disagree and I think it is the unity which is stronger because of our diversity.
01:10Then on Greenland. There were many questions on Greenland and basically...
01:15...what was discussed last week and of course in a run-up to the debate.
01:20Many phone calls have taken place, also from European leaders.
01:25But in the end what we agreed is, I think two work streams going forward.
01:30One work stream is for NATO collectively to take more responsibility...
01:35...for the defence of the Arctic. As you know there are seven countries in the Arctic...
01:40...there is the US through Alaska and of course Canada, Denmark because of Greenland.
01:45And then we have Iceland, Norway, Finland, Sweden. Yes, these are the seven countries.
01:50...bordering on the Arctic. The AIDS one is Russia, obviously not in NATO.
01:55So one work stream will be to see how best collectively we can prevent the Russians...
02:00...and the Chinese, getting more access to the Arctic region, becoming also military...
02:05...and there is more of an adversary there. How to prevent that, also from them gaining...
02:10...access to the economy here and there. And that is one work stream.
02:14NATO clearly...
02:15...being in charge here. The second work stream is that what was agreed a week before...
02:20...I met with the President on Wednesday, there was the meeting in Washington between...
02:25...the foreign ministers of Denmark and of course the foreign ministers of Greenland.
02:30...there was abajic electorate based on UNICEF in the U.S., like the European center...
02:33...there was an Thirty-Kate output...
02:34...and that SS case has been in France, it represents 31 years.
02:38...and towards the British
02:43Social and itsக basic national initiative cryptic old...
02:50...and with the constitutive state of the US, Marco Rubio, the Vice President of the States here,
02:55...and placed on changes in the UK.
02:57issue, second is China, how to prevent these two countries from gaining access.
03:02In a military sense or in an economic sense to the R2G, of course, I have no mandate to
03:07negotiate the foreign minister of Denmark for the previous foreign minister of Denmark
03:11asked that question.
03:12Of course, I have no mandate to negotiate on behalf of Denmark.
03:17I didn't and I will not.
03:18Of course, that's up to Denmark to do and I will be very much involved.
03:22As NATO Secretary General in the first work stream, how can we best as NATO collectively
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03:27Take the defense of the Arctic forward.
03:32And indeed, there is also an issue, I think, when the Arctic becomes more of an issue.
03:52Back into office in January, and I think he's right.
03:55There is an issue with the Arctic region.
03:57There isn't.
03:57There is an issue of collective security because the sea lanes are opening up and because the
04:01Chinese and the Russians are .
04:02more and more active.
04:03China, of course, not bordering on the Arctic, but as you know, very much being involved there.
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06:00There is this irreversible path in Tornado that will still be there.
06:05The short term, it's politically, it's practically now not on the cards.
06:10And that means that the security guarantees are the more crucial to prevent...
06:15...the Russians from ever attacking again.
06:20I have, no, there is no link between, for the US side, one of you may...
06:25...that there was rumour of a link, I understand, I haven't heard it before.
06:30I mean, the Greenland discussion and the Ukrainian discussion, these are totally separate.
06:34The Shadow Fleet rightly...
06:35...raised here, crucial because it is a big source of income for the Russian Federation.
06:40And I'm extremely happy with the fact that we post more and more strategies...
06:45...dilemmas to the Russians in terms of Baltic century, and we have seen what the...
06:50...Americans did with the Russian flagship close to Iceland, and we have seen many other interventions, also by the...
06:55...French, close to the French coast, and I think when these ships...
07:00...it's a threat to the environment, when there are serious questions about the capability of the ship...
07:05...to continue sailing, continue sailing, without cutting undersea...
07:10...infrastructure, critical industry, infrastructure, and obviously, within all the legal frameworks...
07:15...there are ways to intervene, and that...
07:20...that already is having an impact, and that forces the Russians to more and more protect the Shadow...
07:25...so Fleet, which of course, poses a cost on them.
07:28Then, when it comes to...
07:30...to the comments on the soldiers in...
07:35...Afghanistan, the point I made with President Trump is that Article 5 was used...
07:40...after 9-11, and this was of course when the US was under attack...
07:45...and I made the point that many non-US NATO countries...
07:50...but also partners like Australia have helped out in Afghanistan, and that for every two...
07:55...American soldiers who paid the ultimate price, one soldier of a ally...
08:00...or a partner, a NATO ally or a partner country, did not return home.
08:05...and I particularly mention Denmark because, relatively speaking, they...
08:10...have had many casualties in...
08:15...Afghanistan, the Netherlands, but also of course bigger countries like Italy, UK...
08:20...Australia and others, and I know...
08:22...and of course the President already has made the...
08:25...point, I think it was yesterday, praising the United Kingdom...
08:28...for the immense...
08:30...sacrifice they made in...
08:34...Solid...
08:35...to shoulder with the Americans...
08:37...fighting in Afghanistan, and I know that...
08:40...America greatly appreciates all the efforts being made in Afghanistan...
08:45...and acknowledges the fact that many casualties were...
08:50...not only Americans, but also from, as I said, allies and NATO.
08:55...partners, the European pillar, this whole discussion on the European pillar.
08:58I think...
09:00...that's focus.
09:01The focus should be that we complement each other...
09:04...exactly as we're doing...
09:05...at the moment, and that is NATO, as I said...
09:07...standard setting, capabilities...
09:10...command and control, and in the EU, when it comes to resilience...
09:13...when it comes to the industrial...
09:15...when it comes to regulation, when it comes to finding ways of getting the...
09:20...money to pay for our collective defence on top of...
09:23...what, of course, the individual...
09:25...planations are doing.
09:26...that's how we should go forward.
09:28A European pillar is a bit of...
09:30...an empty word.
09:31I guess what you mean is a sort of...
09:33...next to each nation to have...
09:35...a sort of European defence force.
09:37I think...
09:38...but, of course, that's up to the European countries...
09:40...to decide.
09:41But I think there will be a lot of duplication.
09:43I wish you luck if you want to do it.
09:45...because you have to find the men and women in uniform.
09:47It will be on top of what is happening already, and it will make...
09:50...things more complicated.
09:51I think Putin will love it.
09:53So, think again.
09:55But if the European pillar means what I just said, this division of labour...
09:59...you are focusing on...
10:00...where Europe has strength, and NATO focusing...
10:03...where NATO has strength, great.
10:05...on my relationship with the president.
10:08Hey, listen.
10:09If somebody is doing...
10:10...good stuff.
10:11And President Trump is doing a lot of good stuff.
10:12I believe.
10:13I know.
10:14I'm irritating a lot of you again.
10:15But I think so.
10:16Because, as I said also in Davos, the 2% reach by all...
10:20...NATO countries now at the end of 2025 would never ever...
10:25...have happened without Trump.
10:27Do you really think that Spain and Italy and Belgium...
10:30...and Canada would have decided to move from 1.5 to 2%.
10:34Italy...
10:35...spanning 10 billion more now on the fence at the beginning of the year...
10:37...without President Trump?
10:38No way!
10:39It would not have...
10:40...have happened.
10:41And do you really think that in The Hague we would have come to the 5% commitment...
10:44...without President Trump?
10:45No way!
10:46So I think he is very important to NATO.
10:50He is totally committed to NATO.
10:52He had one big irritant.
10:53One big pebble in the shoe.
10:55...which is there since Eisenhower.
10:56The fact that the Europeans were not paying up.
10:58And with the NATO...
11:00...the defence commitment in The Hague, the outcome of The Hague Summit...
11:03...on spending and also on this...
11:05...of industrial production in Ukraine...
11:06...but particularly here on spending...
11:07...we are now equalising with the US.
11:09So that...
11:10...is gone.
11:11So there is a total commitment by the US to NATO in Article 5...
11:14...but also...
11:15...expectations that Europeans and Canadians will pay more...
11:17...and we are doing so.
11:18Germany is a big...
11:20...for example.
11:21You spend 70 billion on defence in 2021.
11:24You will spend a hundred...
11:25...and 60 billion, 90 billion more in 2029.
11:29You will reach the...
11:30...3.5% core defence spending...
11:32...as part of the 5% by 2029.
11:34This is...
11:35...Germany leading the way.
11:36The second biggest economy in NATO.
11:38This is crucial...
11:39...and it is a great example...
11:40...to others.
11:41Of course we have...
11:42...a couple of countries...
11:43...like Poland...
11:44...and Estland, Lithuania...
11:45...and...
11:45...is already on the 5%...
11:47...but also Canada.
11:48Can I mention that here?
11:49Canada is back.
11:50Canada 2% committing to the 5%...
11:53...being a huge supporter for Ukraine.
11:55Also spending a lot of money...
11:57...on these pearl packages.
11:58So Canada is really back.
12:00...and I think that's fantastic.
12:02Hey, but if...
12:03So when President Trump is doing good...
12:05...stuff, I will praise him...
12:06...and I don't mind him...
12:08...publishing text messages.
12:10And if anyone thinks here, again...
12:12...that the European Union...
12:13...or Europe as a whole...
12:14...can defend it...
12:15...without the US...
12:16...keep on dreaming.
12:17You can't.
12:18We can't.
12:19We need...
12:20...each other.
12:21And why do we need each other?
12:22I tell you.
12:23First of all, because also...
12:24...the US needs NATO.
12:25And the US is not only in NATO...
12:27...to prevent the mistake...
12:29...after the second...
12:30...after the First World War...
12:31...not to re-engage with Europe.
12:33And then again...
12:34...the long arm of...
12:35...of history reaching out...
12:36...to the US again...
12:37...in the Second World War...
12:38...as Churchill famously said...
12:40...in the US speech in 1941...
12:41...in the US Congress.
12:42They are also in NATO...
12:44...because for the US...
12:45...to stay safe...
12:46...and by the way...
12:47...Arctic region is evidence here...
12:49...they need a secure...
12:50...the Arctic, they need...
12:51...to secure your Atlantic...
12:52...and they also need...
12:53...to secure Europe.
12:54So the US has every...
12:55...interest in NATO...
12:56...as much as Canada...
12:57...and the European NATO...
12:58...NATO allies.
13:00But for Europe...
13:01...if you really want...
13:02...to go out alone...
13:03...and those who were...
13:04...pleaning for that...
13:05...forget...
13:05...that you can ever get there...
13:06...with five percent...
13:07...it will be ten percent...
13:08...you have to build up...
13:09...your own nuclear capability...
13:10...that costs billions...
13:12...and billions of euros...
13:13...you will lose then...
13:14...in that scenario...
13:15...you would lose...
13:16...the ultimate guarantor...
13:17...of our freedom...
13:18...which is the US...
13:19...nuclear umbrella...
13:20...so...
13:20...hey...
13:21...good luck...
13:22...then...
13:23...m...
13:24...m...
13:25...I love this...
13:27...um...
13:28...the Board of Peace...
13:29...um...
13:30...on the Board of Peace...
13:31...I will not comment...
13:32...because when it comes to...
13:34...the Board of...
13:35...of Peace...
13:36...obviously...
13:37...NATO is not directly involved...
13:38...in the Middle East...
13:39...peace efforts...
13:40...of course...
13:40...we welcome all the work...
13:41...to secure peace...
13:42...in Gaza...
13:43...where allies...
13:44...are navigating...
13:45...the...
13:45...crisis...
13:46...but...
13:47...we are not...
13:48...ourselves...
13:49...involved...
13:50...in that sense...
13:50...then...
13:51...bilateral alliances...
13:54...well...
13:55...bilateral...
13:55...for...
13:56... Under Cela...
13:58...in...
13:59...ements to speak...
14:00...or if it's...
14:01...you know...
14:02...in...
14:03...about...
14:04...you know...
14:05...you know...
14:06...you know...
14:07So there are many corporations between countries within NATO which only...
14:12...strengthened, so I'm totally in favour.
14:14Then on Iran, we are only involved in...
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14:44really ramp up spending and I also mentioned already this to the new
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14:49That I don't believe in this European pillar, except for if it means within that division.
14:54Then, when it comes to the Taurus and other systems.
14:59Being delivered yes or no to Ukraine, that's up to individual allies, I will not comment.
15:04Sorry, generally I'm saying if you deliver your systems, please no restrictions.
15:09So that Ukraine can really use them, but whatever, what is delivered, of course.
15:14It's not for me to comment, I can only discreetly work behind the scenes.
15:19When it comes to the defense strategy, which was published last Friday.
15:24I think that is a good paper, there are no surprises in it.
15:29What we really see is the U.S. pivoting more towards Asia, but at the same time, absolutely.
15:34With Europe, understanding that Europe will have to build up its own armed forces even further.
15:39Based on the Hague Defense Investment Pledge, and that will mean overtime.
15:44that the U.S. can do more in the Pacific, but there will always be a very strong convention.
15:49national U.S. presence in Europe, and obviously the nuclear umbrella will be the nuclear umbrella.
15:54There, I totally comment everything being done on military mobility.
15:59here, the EU plays a crucial role when it comes to deregulation, military mobility.
16:04It is vital that a bridge not only can hold my Saab car, 20 years old, but all.
16:09also can hold a tank.
16:10Saab, yes, but it's a bit old now.
16:14The EU-NATO dialogue, I think, is better than it ever was.
16:17I mean, we work extremely well together.
16:19I'm really happy at all levels.
16:21I can only say I don't, I cannot see how that can improve.
16:24how the EU and NATO work.
16:26And we have to.
16:27So it's not just a.
16:29The Western Balkan security situation, of course, we constantly.
16:34follow that.
16:35As you know, we can never accept a security vacuum to emerge.
16:39Bosnia, we will be constantly working on that.
16:42I'm in close contact with the.
16:44Troika presidency there.
16:45Then, of course, when it comes to Kosovo, K4 crew.
16:49And we also make sure that we keep the dialogue.
16:54going with.
16:55This is your question.
16:56With.
16:57With Serbia.
16:58I have my own relationship.
16:59with.
17:00Alexander Vucic, the president.
17:01We know each other for many years.
17:02But, of course, we also expect.
17:04him.
17:05To come up with.
17:07With accountability.
17:09And with accountability.
17:10For what happened.
17:11In.
17:12A couple of years ago.
17:13And which.
17:14And on to.
17:15And to.
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17:14issues and both of them he promised complete accountability.
17:19Then when it comes to Berlin Plus I think I should
17:24not comment on hypothetical questions but it is I think important to keep focus
17:29on reality that NATO EU Corporation is stronger than ever.
17:34We believe that at the moment and that the US role in NATO as I said remains.
17:39It is key except for if you want to double your defence spending but even then I would not do it because.
17:44History brought us together we have the same set of values we are we belong to each other.
17:49This Atlantic relationship I think is crucial.
17:52Then on enlargement.
17:54Of course every country in the EU Atlantic area can apply for membership but then we.
17:59Have to agree with 32 and on Ukraine already mentioned the unanimity is not.
18:04There at the moment but we will keep working with Ukraine to keep them as strong as possible.
18:09And the irreversible path has been clearly laid out.
18:14Then we have all the lessons we need to capture from Ukraine.
18:17I totally agree from the war.
18:19By the way if Russia would attack NATO probably that war will not be an exact copy of to now the war.
18:24between Russia and Ukraine but still we have to capture all the lessons that's why we have this Ukraine.
18:29NATO center now joint initiative.
18:34center now an analysis training education center where we capture all the lessons from here in Poland.
18:39from the war in Ukraine, also to learn from that in terms of
18:44NATO going forward.
18:46And then let me see, I think.
18:49I really have to work on that question.
18:54So I will not now free will, but maybe if you can get your
18:59address, I can give you an answer in writing.
19:04And then when it comes to Ingeborg, the question on when it comes to
19:09the Ukraine and scaling up the defense industrial production in
19:12Ukraine, that's really happening.
19:14At the moment, but there is still a big potential untapped in Ukraine.
19:19Of about 10 to 15 billion, I think it is at the moment.
19:22At least these numbers are two or three months ago.
19:24Probably not changed a lot.
19:25So we can still do more there.
19:27This is also what the Danes and Lithuanians.
19:29They have led the way here with others and that's why.
19:34What I'm saying when you speak about the 90 billion, the EU has now
19:37provided 60 billion of military support for two years.
19:39I think it is Europe one, Ukraine two, but then again, I'm afraid that
19:44you still need to spend money also not afraid.
19:46I hope you still will spend money.
19:49On other suppliers, particularly when it comes to the, to the, to the.
19:54the interceptors and the defense of Ukraine.
19:56This is my final point here.
19:57And a couple of you made that point.
19:59As I said again, each night now about 15 to 20 missiles.
20:04Sent into Kiev, Lviv, Kharkiv and other big, big population.
20:09Sent into Ukraine and hundreds of drones.
20:12The interception rate has come down.
20:14And the interception rate has come down.
20:16Because some of the NASEM systems now in Ukraine.
20:19Do not have enough interceptors to fight back.
20:22And also the Patriot systems, of course, need.
20:24There is a constant supply of pack missiles for them to intercept these missiles.
20:29And I agree with the parliamentarian who said that you.
20:34You also have to dig into your own stockpiles.
20:35There are two ways to do this.
20:37One is these pearl packages from the US.
20:39Because big in that pearl system is the interceptors for.
20:44Nations and Patriot systems.
20:46But also what you have in your own national stockpiles.
20:49And I am constantly working with your leaders.
20:50Please help me as parliamentarians to work with your leaders.
20:53You know.
20:54You know.
20:55Which countries in this room.
20:56And I could discreetly inform you.
20:57But not in an open session.
20:59Who are sitting on large piles of interceptors.
21:02The Supreme Allied Commander has said that he.
21:04Totally accepts that a lot of that stuff will now move into.
21:09Ukraine.
21:10Because that is now clearly the priority.
21:11So wherever you can help to put some pressure on.
21:14Your governments to do that.
21:15And some governments are already doing it.
21:17Norway announced it.
21:18Canada announced it.
21:19Turkey announced it.
21:20Others have announced it.
21:21But there is still more to do.
21:23Because this is the difference.
21:24The difference.
21:24Between life and death.
21:26Day in day out.
21:27Day in day out.
21:28But also how do we.
21:29Protect the crucial infrastructure.
21:31Energy infrastructure.
21:32In Ukraine.
21:33So please.
21:34Help there.
21:35I'm.
21:36Think I've almost answered all the questions.
21:38But not.
21:39Totally.
21:40Because one or two.
21:41I found too difficult.
21:42But to answer your question.
21:43I will come back to.
21:44Wing Raj.
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