00:00And I'm joined here on set now by international affairs editor Ketavan Gorgistani.
00:03Ketavan, how significant...
00:05Do you think these changes are?
00:07I mean, are we really seeing here some kind of turning point?
00:10Well, look, first of all, we're waiting to see exactly how the White House frame...
00:15the possible departure of Greg Bovino, because so far the DHS...
00:20has denied that he had been removed from his role.
00:23That said, the report...
00:25is that he will be leaving Minneapolis, and you have Tom Homan, the border czar, that's
00:29coming in to...
00:30take over the operations.
00:31So clearly there's some movement there.
00:34And the fact that we...
00:35might be seeing Greg Bovino move out of the spotlight is important...
00:40because he was the very public face of Operation Metro Surge, which was the operation...
00:45taking place in Minneapolis, and he had at times had shocking...
00:50shocking the public with his controversial outfits and his...
00:55controversial comments when he said that Alex Preddy, for example...
01:00had wanted to massacre law enforcement officials...
01:05now you have to combine this with also the conciliary...
01:10the tone, the change of tone, between Donald Trump and the Democratic officials...
01:15the governor, Tim Walz, as well as the mayor of Minneapolis, Jacob Frye...
01:20and the possibility now that we could see at least some federal...
01:25forces be removed from Minneapolis, and the final appointment...
01:30of that sort of turn, it seems, is the White House trying to distance...
01:35itself from DHS Secretary Christine Noem and from Stephen Miller...
01:40and some of the comments that they made after the death of Alex Preddy...
01:43when they called him a domestic...
01:45terrorist and said that he was to blame for attacking law enforcement...
01:50officials yesterday...
01:52the press secretary at the briefing was...
01:55asked if Donald Trump agreed with Christine Noem, with Stephen Miller...
02:00when he was using those terms to characterize Preddy...
02:03and she said that she had never heard...
02:05the US president characterized Alex Preddy in those words...
02:10instead saying that the president, what he really wanted...
02:13was an investigation into...
02:15what happened...
02:16so all of this shows...
02:17that clearly the White House is taking a step...
02:20back...
02:21they're realizing that this is becoming a liability...
02:23why are they realizing that?
02:25there's...
02:25there's, of course, the pressure from the street...
02:27those intense marches and protests...
02:30in Minneapolis...
02:31the polls...
02:32poll after poll...
02:33is showing that...
02:34Americans...
02:35are losing...
02:36trust...
02:37in...
02:38immigration...
02:39enforcement...
02:40especially ICE...
02:41and it's not just Democrats...
02:42it's not just Independents...
02:43you're already seeing...
02:45that Republicans...
02:46even...
02:47are no longer comfortable...
02:48with the way ICE...
02:50is operating...
02:51and finally...
02:52you have the growing criticism...
02:53from...
02:54Republican...
02:55lawmakers...
02:56and not just the usual suspects...
02:57who've been...
02:58at times critical...
02:59of Donald Trump...
03:00but people...
03:00who have never...
03:01wanted to go against...
03:02Donald Trump...
03:03who are now saying...
03:04this is enough...
03:05this needs to stop...
03:06this is not how we should...
03:07be handling it...
03:08and we need...
03:09an investigation...
03:10all of that...
03:11it seems...
03:12has forced...
03:13a little bit...
03:14the hand of Donald Trump...
03:15and it's...
03:15rare enough...
03:16in this first year...
03:17to note...
03:18when the US President...
03:19seemingly...
03:20decides to at least...
03:21backtrack...
03:22a little bit...
03:23from what he wanted to do...
03:24that's where we are now...
03:25what might we expect...
03:26then going forward?
03:27Well look...
03:28as much as this looks...
03:29as much as this looks...
03:30like a step back...
03:31and it is likely...
03:32a step back...
03:33that doesn't mean...
03:34that Donald Trump...
03:35is giving up...
03:35on his immigration...
03:36crackdown...
03:37because...
03:38that is one of the key...
03:39policies...
03:40on which he was...
03:40elected...
03:41and...
03:42of his first...
03:43term...
03:44this is...
03:45not about...
03:45removing...
03:46fully...
03:47ICE...
03:48and...
03:49Border Patrol...
03:50forces...
03:50from Minneapolis...
03:51as we said...
03:52Tom Homan...
03:53the Border Czar...
03:54he's going there...
03:55he's going to be in charge...
03:56of the operations...
03:57and...
03:58he will be reporting...
03:59directly...
04:00to...
04:01Donald Trump...
04:02he...
04:03is...
04:04clearly...
04:05no Greg Bovino...
04:05seen as someone...
04:06who has way more...
04:07experience...
04:08who...
04:09is more...
04:10professional...
04:10in how he...
04:11deals with things...
04:12and...
04:13his...
04:14work...
04:15with...
04:16both ICE...
04:15and...
04:16immigration...
04:17enforcement...
04:18at large...
04:19goes back...
04:20to...
04:21Barack Obama...
04:22to work...
04:23for ICE...
04:24partly...
04:25but...
04:26he is...
04:27no...
04:28angel...
04:27when it comes...
04:28to...
04:29immigration...
04:30a crackdown...
04:31and...
04:32he is...
04:33very much...
04:34likely...
04:35to...
04:36enforce...
04:37any intention...
04:38of backing down...
04:39on the broader...
04:40immigration...
04:41crackdown...
04:42in the United States...
04:43maybe...
04:44they're going to change...
04:45a little bit...
04:46the tactics...
04:47but...
04:48they're not...
04:47backing...
04:48down...
04:49on...
04:50the idea...
04:51of removing...
04:52undocumented immigrants...
04:52from the United States...
04:53Caroline Levitt...
04:54said...
04:55just that yesterday...
04:56saying...
04:57hundreds...
04:57of thousands of the worst illegal aliens are left to deport.
05:02That is likely going to go forward. The question is, what tactics will be used?
05:07Will they have learned from what happened in Minneapolis and elsewhere?
05:10The other question is...
05:12What form of accountability are we going to see from the...
05:17The people who were involved so far, as I said earlier, there's no...
05:22No sign that Bovino was actually fired. He might be moved to another...
05:27Place. The question is, will there be any accountability for him, for the DHS?
05:32Secretary, Kristi Noem, and even the big question, of course, those officers who were...
05:37Involved in Alex Peretti's killing, will they be prosecuted?
05:42Will they be convicted? What will happen there? So far, everyone's focused on removing...
05:47Those federal forces from Minneapolis, but going forward...
05:52There will likely have to be an investigation, which is what everyone now is calling for.
05:57And then see where that takes us.
06:00All to follow.
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