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Are social media companies the puppeteers of the masses? With information spreading at lightning speed, distinguishing truth from fabrication is harder than ever. From far-right ideologies to wild conspiracy theories, misinformation on social media fuels distress, conflict, and violence.
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00:00Transcrição e Legendas por Quintena Coelho
00:30I meet them for a coffee and I'm like, oh my god, you're like, you're dead boring.
00:34And I might be one of those people myself.
00:39Anything that you want to think and hold to be true, you'll find a community.
00:44This is hugely valuable for people who have suffered harms.
00:48People who are questioning their identity.
00:53The flip side of all of that is the cultish behaviours.
01:00Is it narcissists pull?
01:02Is it reflecting ourselves back?
01:04Or is it a fun palace mirror that just distorts?
01:07It's sort of both.
01:09It's an echo chamber for all of our major societal concerns to then be replicated over and over again.
01:17The prosocial is in a constant war with the antisocial.
01:26I don't give up.
01:27And it's not one algorithm.
01:32It's hundreds and thousands of them competing with each other.
01:39Social media companies are like DJs.
01:40And a good DJ controls the room.
01:46And it's insidious because you don't hear the music.
01:51Because you start sweating and you start quivering.
01:54And you start getting angry and you start getting anxious.
01:59How are you giving him attention?
02:01Before you even realise.
02:03You back up!
02:07That there's a manipulation.
02:08There's a dark signature.
02:10There's a dark pattern behind the emotions that you feel as a consequence of feeding off the content.
02:15You back up!
02:17I live in a world before the internet existed so I clearly remember like a before and an after and I got to see that transition.
02:45Like I feel lucky to have seen it.
02:53Obviously the internet started and we had email and it was like a very naive kind of curious time.
02:59And there was like this delight to meeting and sharing.
03:04I remember being on a goth forum in the 90s that I really loved.
03:08And it kind of had this self-moderation thing where if people came onto that forum and were being awful to other people.
03:14There would sort of be this group of like elders on the board that would tell them like, no, like don't do that.
03:20And if they persisted, they'd get kicked off.
03:22I was born in 1977 and some of my first memories, in fact, my first memory is of war.
03:30And channeling that was what drew me into the study of disinformation.
03:49I set up South Asia's first Twitter account for civic journalism in 2007.
03:54And remember this was the time of the Arab Spring.
04:10This was the new digital Berlin Wall moment.
04:12There was democratic potential in the use of these technologies in the hands of individuals and citizens.
04:22So that was the early hope.
04:25We've got an innovative new way to create applications for mobile devices.
04:29And it gives us tremendous capability, more than it's ever been in a mobile device.
04:38I noticed a sharp shift in 2012.
04:41The moment Facebook and Twitter were made available on smartphones almost immediately, the most violent
04:51forms of extremism linked to religion embraced the potential of these platforms to spread and
04:59promote harmful messaging.
05:01Here was this two-faced monster simultaneously promoting and producing harm.
05:07It's hard to pinpoint where it started.
05:13Apart from saying that it certainly didn't start in the United States, where Facebook started.
05:18And when it was pointed out, Facebook ignored it.
05:26This is Karen.
05:30We got it.
05:31It's just chaos driven by these social media giants.
05:39It's like pushing people towards conflict.
05:41Because more conflict means more engagement.
05:49Should I try a real cat?
05:50The thing is, even if you do know that you're being manipulated, it's like crack for the brain.
05:55Like it's really fun.
06:01And even some of the most hideous, insidious stuff online and conspiracy land.
06:05My ministers were involved in pedophilia.
06:07It's really entertaining and it draws you in.
06:10Shh.
06:10I don't.
06:11They're kicking us off.
06:12I don't know why.
06:13Let it go viral.
06:17We're responding to code that has been written to keep eyeballs on screens.
06:24To keep monitoring your behavior, how quickly you scroll through videos.
06:29So you slow down your thumb from scrolling and you fixate.
06:32Even if it's just for a few seconds, they will feed the algorithm to then give you more of what you want.
06:37Is that right?
06:40So even for somebody who's, you know, eight or nine years old, that's an important thing to know.
06:47We're now rewiring our brains to constantly be checking back and snacking back on the devices.
06:53And I think what's going to be interesting to see now is how well we evolve into this next phase of living with digital technology.
07:06I will slaughter every single spoiled, stuck up blonde slut.
07:12I am exposed to some of the darker spots of the internet.
07:19I'm a cultural historian and I am particularly interested in the ways in which science and technology
07:26in the 20th and 21st century have replicated or increased disunity, racism, misogyny.
07:35And at heart, I'm really interested in these larger stories of disinformation.
07:40The way we distinguish it when we're thinking about misinformation and disinformation is about
07:46the intent of the person who is sharing it.
07:50So misinformation is inaccurate information that's been created with no malintent.
07:58Disinformation is a cold war term from propaganda studies and from understanding calculated campaigns to create
08:09information that's incorrect and have it dispersed.
08:12Those of us who had been interested in these things had been watching what had happened in the UK in 2016 with Brexit.
08:24And we'd seen the proliferation of tools of the internet to tweak public opinion.
08:29This will be a victory for real people. A victory for decent people.
08:41And in the United States with the Trump presidency.
08:46When you get to 2016, what it really shows is the power of Facebook on the American electorate and the British one as well.
08:53So many Americans get actually most of their news and their political understanding from Facebook.
08:59that you don't need to launder your message through the mainstream media anymore who will fact check it.
09:06Whether it's a state-based influence or, you know, fringe groups.
09:10It's just a lot easier to have that influence.
09:20National emergency has been declared, giving the government special powers to combat the spread of COVID-19.
09:27The pandemic is the ultimate amplifier for disinformation and some of these sort of fringe and extremist beliefs.
09:39It's no longer just the people who are socially isolated, who spend enough time on the internet to fall down these dark rabbit holes.
09:45Suddenly, in the pandemic, everyone has the time to spend on the internet.
09:53So we knew that COVID-19 was going to be a Trojan horse issue.
09:57where people who are not ordinarily exposed to conspiratorial thinking and conspiratorial ideas would have a lack of knowledge because it's a new thing.
10:08And so they go out seeking information and come across information that has been shared to them with malintent to bring them into a disinformation space and that that information wouldn't just be about COVID-19 but would contain within it ideas about who's responsible for the virus and then link into broader conspiratorial thinking.
10:30So today is part of the awakening. With social media, you can share the awareness, but then awaken your soul.
10:42Well, the New World Order and what they're trying to do, they're trying to collapse the economy, which they've already, to bring in the one world currency.
10:50I mean, surely you must know. I can't believe that you don't know.
10:52No, I can't believe that you don't know.
10:54I don't know. So are you?
10:55Yeah, of course you don't. Of course you don't.
10:56No, no, I actually don't.
10:57Well, go on and search it. It's quite simple.
10:59So are you?
11:00What's been interesting is, in the context of the COVID pandemic, a lot more people were kicked off of places like Facebook and Twitter.
11:09And suddenly, there's a much bigger audience for some of these alternative social media platforms.
11:14I'm on Telegram. I'm not on Facebook. I'm not on... I watch Telegram.
11:19The big one that has come out is Telegram. And it's had problems with violent extremist content in the past.
11:25There was a lot of propaganda videos by ISIS and by ISIS-linked influencers.
11:31And in the aftermath of the Christchurch terrorist attack in 2019, a lot of the violent extremist elements migrated to Telegram in particular.
11:39Actually stop this great reset.
11:41Suddenly in the pandemic, people who are much more moderate than those violent extremists...
11:45This is the day.
11:46We've steeped in a lot of this stuff because that's the pre-existing ecosystem that's there.
11:50But what it's really done is created a community that is not rooted in reality.
11:54It's all happening now.
11:56I don't think I ever really expected there to be a far-right terrorist attack in Christchurch.
12:09Even though there were far-right groups here.
12:12In Christchurch there have been multiple deaths and many more people are injured after a gunman opened fire at two mosques in Christchurch this afternoon.
12:19I saw the screenshot of his 8chan post and it was immediately obvious.
12:26This is an alt-right terror attack by somebody who has lived in that online alt-right world.
12:32And it's happened here. It's happened, you know, just a few kilometres from where I was sitting at the time.
12:37And we're rolling. Action.
12:41Propaganda.
12:42What is it exactly?
12:43I started the YouTube channel not long after the Christchurch shooting as a way to get information out about the far-right.
12:51The news probably depends on your own world view.
12:54The new alt-right is a bit of a different beast than the old sort of skinhead scene that we had here, you know, 15 years ago.
13:00And I'd started watching that scene as early as 2014 as I watched Gamergate emerge online.
13:10Gamergate was a movement of sorts by a lot of angry young men who targeted women in the video game industry with harassment.
13:21A lot of those young men saw themselves as the oppressed group.
13:26People who were adults and still living with their parents.
13:31This is my generation that sort of graduated after the economic crisis of 2008.
13:36And there weren't a lot of jobs for them to go into and the jobs there weren't well paid.
13:44And it was this escape from the bleak reality of their existence
13:48to go into these sort of virtual online fantasy worlds.
13:53Video series exploring the roles and representations of women in video games.
13:57And when they saw, you know, feminists starting to criticise video games.
14:01And we haven't even kissed. We can remedy that right now.
14:05Or they saw game studios adding in a gay character to a game.
14:08That angered them because they felt this is an encroachment on their domain.
14:15And that group of angry young men online were harnessed to be a part of a more reactionary political movement.
14:22Breitbart News, where Steve Bannon was the editor, hired the tech blogger Milo Yiannopoulos to write sympathetic coverage of Gamergate.
14:34Breitbart News were calling themselves the platform for the alternative right.
14:38And I remember growing up in the Bush years, it was, you know, very uncool to be a conservative.
14:45But this was an alternative way to reject those aspects of the political left that they didn't like, like feminism and anti-racism.
14:53And so rather than seeing themselves as being allied with, you know, some of these groups that are even more marginalised than them,
15:01they saw themselves as an opposition to that.
15:09Mr Trump! How's it going, Mr Trump?
15:12These young men started saying things like, conservatism is the new punk rock.
15:17And they felt that they were taking on the elites, taking on the establishment by voting for a multimillionaire.
15:25What the hell do you have to lose?
15:27U.S.A! U.S.A! U.S.A! U.S.A! U.S.A! U.S.A! U.S.A!
15:35Trump is a genius at priming people to think in terms of us and them.
15:42And also to view their public interactions as competition rather than cooperation.
15:49U.S.A!
15:50It's uncanny how successful the whole authoritarian social media ecosystem has been.
15:56It's really transnational now.
16:03I learned from a guy called Klaus Teleweit.
16:06And he read all of the memoirs of the people who were the sort of volunteer proto-Nazis in what became Nazi Germany.
16:15And he wanted to find out what made them vulnerable to incorporation into places like the SS.
16:27All of them had a sense of deferred entitlement as members of a group who were traditionally privileged.
16:37And it seemed like that privilege was being withdrawn from them.
16:43They had what is often called authoritarian personality.
16:48Which is when you're only comfortable as part of a really rigid hierarchy.
16:52where you're so-called kissing up and kicking down.
17:02Inequality is rising quickly.
17:04So they're looking for the source of their trouble.
17:06And anyone formerly disadvantaged socially who seems to be rising is going to be a target for their anger.
17:14Whether it was women, or gay people, or foreigners of any sort.
17:23And they fantasize about reducing them to a shapeless mass.
17:28One thing that I find very disturbing about recent developments is that these same people who were content to increase the tribalism, the politics of the United States, are now focused internationally.
17:52And for authoritarians like Trump and like Steve Bannon, it's so easy for them to believe that they represent majorities.
18:03Because for them, everyone who's not like them doesn't count.
18:10One of the things that makes it more possible for the Steve Bannons of the world to get traction here is the fact that we have let our competitive advantage in democracy slip.
18:19When I moved to New Zealand from Texas, the social egalitarianism was just amazing.
18:27What we do notice is that it's declined.
18:31The very wealthiest gained enormously during the pandemic while the rest of us really suffered.
18:38And we can see from looking at the rest of the world that it's a really dangerous trend.
18:42There's certainly a consciousness on the part of the biggest misinformation spreaders that there are certain ways they can leverage the pandemic and people's frustration over it in order to
18:47to accomplish some of their pre-existing goals.
18:57There is certainly a consciousness on the part of the biggest misinformation spreaders that there are certain ways they can leverage the pandemic and people's frustration over it in order to accomplish some of their pre-existing goals.
19:13There's a lot of recruitment activity from people like white supremacists and white nationalists who see the pandemic as an opportunity to grab people who are now left out on the edges and to pull them deeper into something much darker.
19:29You can draw people in in lots of different places and each of the platforms are used in different ways.
19:44Hello friends, as you can see I'm working on my wimpy bag.
19:47What is known internationally is a kind of trad wife set of viewpoints which is white, Christian, a lot of pseudo-Celtic, pseudo-Nordic ideologies behind it.
19:59They use Pinterest and Instagram to draw in other women who are interested in interior design, children's clothing, knitting, healthy food for children and it does draw people in towards a set of white nationalist ideas.
20:16I mean it's relatively easy to see if you see a very beautiful fair skinned blonde or red-haired child with beautiful braiding in her hair and some flowers, just step back a little bit.
20:30Which is really distressing because that's my heritage.
20:34All cooking with the girls.
20:36And us women, I think what we have to do is sometimes step off and be that little submissive person.
20:43One of the things we've seen the most is hyper masculine framing and extremely toxic masculinity.
20:51So you know, to be a man is to be someone who's armed, someone who's prepared to kill on behalf of women and children.
20:58And I think a lot of males out there know things out there.
21:02So I'm here to look after the woman.
21:04The Southland men have got to stand up, they've got to be counted.
21:06And very fixed ideas about gender roles, race, ethnic identity, national identity, nationalism and rights to things like free speech.
21:18That are very influenced by a totally US centric model.
21:23Misinformation is morphing and changing so incredibly quickly and these stories spread really easily.
21:40I mean, QAnon, at its simplest, it was an internet troll making some stuff up on a terrible message board.
21:51It started in like a very comical way, like Donald Trump was at a filmed meeting and he said this really cryptic term.
22:00Do you guys know what this represents?
22:02Tell us, sir.
22:03Maybe it's the calm before the storm.
22:05What? Everyone online, what's the storm? What are you talking about?
22:09Someone at the press conference said to Trump like...
22:11What storm is the president?
22:13You'll find out.
22:14Weird thing to say.
22:16Thank you, everybody.
22:17Trump says a lot of ridiculous stuff. I don't think he meant anything.
22:20He knew what he was saying.
22:21But that statement started getting pulled apart on this message board on 4chan.
22:26The storm is coming.
22:27It was interpreted as being a secret informant within the government coming out with information on the deep state and the people that were really pulling the strings.
22:36And this story jumped over onto social media to a point where suddenly mums and dads are talking about it.
22:45What is the plan? To save the world.
22:48We don't know who particularly Q is. Q is a movement.
22:51It's really just a military intel who tells you to think for yourself.
22:55Who says think for yourself.
22:56A cult wouldn't tell you to think for yourself.
22:59They think that Trump literally is going to reveal all the bad actors on the planet.
23:04You guys in the media are going to be totally shocked one day when they arrest them all and they cart them off to Guantanamo Bay.
23:10And this deep state cabal has made a lot of their money through child trafficking.
23:14They sacrificed these children.
23:15And that's where we are at.
23:16How did they get power?
23:17They slaughter children, drink their blood.
23:19They think the pandemic was invented in a lab to depopulate the planet.
23:24That Bill Gates is heavily involved.
23:26Bill Gates did this.
23:27He's a genocidal maniac.
23:29I mean you have to stop him.
23:30Hollywood.
23:31Hollywood is trying to normalize pedophilia.
23:34It sounds like lunacy but that's what unfolded.
23:39We're taking back our country and it's going to be deadly.
23:44These grand conspiracy theories explain like why you're not doing as well in life as you wanted to.
23:50And there is a satisfaction to thinking that you hold the secret knowledge about how the world is run.
23:58And that there are these dark forces controlling us that we have to push back and fight against.
24:05Something I started noticing with a lot of the people that had fallen into conspiracy theories about the deep state.
24:14You know a lot of them had evangelical backgrounds.
24:18And evangelical Christianity primes you to think that in this dimension like all around me right now like hidden is this fight between like good and evil.
24:27It's literally demons and angels kind of fighting.
24:32You're primed if you believe that to jump into all the narratives that QAnon is giving you.
24:37Because QAnon is the most epic story of all time of like these hidden evil shadowy forces ruling the planet.
24:44And like us freedom fighters being able to like fight back.
24:49Of course that's never going to happen because none of it's real.
24:55But it's a really tempting thought.
24:58Take your hands off our children!
25:02Take your hands off our children!
25:05Tell the truth!
25:07Tell the truth!
25:10Tell the truth!
25:12Tell the truth!
25:13Tell the truth!
25:14Tell the truth!
25:15Tell the truth!
25:16Tell the truth media!
25:20And tell the truth about the famous pitiful!
25:23Quando even the normies wake up and realize how many lies you're told,
25:28you won't be forgiven.
25:29You won't be forgiven.
25:31Part of the problem with this misinformation and this extremist content
25:34is not just that it is wrong,
25:36but that it puts the stakes so high that violence becomes rational.
25:40Traitor! Leave our children alone!
25:43Our forefathers are formed for this land,
25:45and you don't ride brush on over it
25:47because some girl in the skirt is on a tower trip!
25:50If you look at the Nazi occupation of Europe in the 1940s,
25:58it was rational to form an underground resistance that was violent
26:01and that attacked Nazi officials.
26:06So if the world that you live in is rooted in a fictional world
26:09where politicians are putting out a vaccine
26:11that is literally killing children,
26:14it's not necessarily an irrational jump to go,
26:17I should do something about that.
26:19and violent action might be justified.
26:24I think we should just bring it back to Nuremberg
26:27and execute these people.
26:30PME, if you would like to be part of a jury
26:33that is bringing things to justice,
26:35please come forward and we can take this government down.
26:40New Zealand!
26:41Fuck your bike to fuck up!
26:43Sunday!
26:45We will be here every fucking day!
26:48If you have 200 people on Telegram
26:51saying they want to hang politicians,
26:53well, they're not all serious about it,
26:55but what if one of them is?
26:57It actually only takes one person
26:58who has been mobilised and who has the means to commit violence
27:01for something to go really horribly wrong.
27:03You've always had psychotic individuals in society
27:10all over the world, in any country.
27:13Now you have them algorithmically connected,
27:16which is a frightening prospect.
27:19I don't think societies have quite grasped the implications
27:24into the future of what foundations are being laid today
27:28and have been laid for a while.
27:31It's the algorithmic amplification of psychosis.
27:37You want to know what my day is?
27:38Like, what's, like, how do you want?
27:41It...
27:42I study 130 Telegram channels and groups
27:46and that's about 5,000 to 6,000 posts and comments a day.
27:51Some of it you have to read humanly,
27:53some of it is computationally managed.
27:55So you see spikes and then you go to a spike
27:59and then you see what drove that spike
28:00and then you go to that post
28:01and then you see who engaged with it.
28:04And then you drill down.
28:08It gives you a profound insight
28:10into the mindset of the individuals on these channels.
28:15Prime Minister Ardern would be the one who gets
28:21the most amount of violence directed at her
28:23on a daily basis on the landscapes that I study.
28:31And it is extraordinarily violent.
28:35It extends to her daughter and her partner.
28:38She's seen as a monster, blood-sucking leech,
28:43quite literally expressed as demonic
28:45and in a very Christian way, you know, satanic.
28:48It's evil.
28:49You can't negotiate with evil
28:50because when you dehumanise an individual,
28:52it's easier to imagine
28:54and normalise violence.
28:57You know, you don't think twice about killing a mosquito.
28:59It is...
29:06My struggle is a real one
29:15to communicate how bad this is
29:18and how toxic this is
29:19because there's people articulating
29:21public executions, military tribunals hanging
29:25and it's explicitly rape and torture
29:30and post-mortem torture as well.
29:33So they want to rape after they've killed.
29:37And it is a hellscape
29:39that is being used
29:42by about 350,000 people in this country.
29:47And they're all grooming.
29:48They're all harvesting.
29:51And it's here.
29:52It's amongst you.
30:02I received two anonymous death threats
30:04at the start of the month.
30:14One of them made the claim
30:15that people were tailing me everywhere I go.
30:18Asked how it felt to know
30:19I had less than six months to live.
30:22A more overtly racist run
30:24arrived a couple of days later.
30:26This one said
30:27that the time of people like me
30:29walking around unscathed was over.
30:32A local far-right activist
30:36came to my workplace,
30:37just walked into the office filming.
30:39This is Byron Clark, the coward.
30:41So, I know where he lives.
30:43It's a pretty significant escalation from what I've had before.
30:51The latest threat I got was an email saying,
30:55I should watch my mouth or they will kill me and I will bleed out slowly.
30:59Quickly followed by another email from the same person
31:02saying that they go to the same supermarket as me.
31:04It's feeling like something violent happening is, it feels more likely than a year ago or even six months ago.
31:14There's lists of those people who are going to get executed when Nuremberg 2.0 takes place.
31:26Those who are responsible for implementing or supporting the COVID-19 framework and I'm on that list.
31:36I'm on many lists and many of my colleagues are on lists.
31:40I've had to inform colleagues that they're on those lists.
31:44that they're on those lists.
31:46You know, that's really distressing.
31:50In the last year, a key individual has posted my image
31:54and then repeatedly posted images of hung doctors after Nuremberg,
32:00which is, you know, to me is very much a death threat.
32:06I have a process, it sounds really silly,
32:09but as a historian on a normal day,
32:12I might be going into the archives to do archival research
32:16and when you go into the archives, lots of people don't know this,
32:18but you're supposed to have clean hands
32:20because you're touching, you know, archival things
32:22and so you go and wash your hands.
32:26So it's quite ritualistic.
32:28I've washed my hands and I take a big deep breath
32:32and I acknowledge that some of the things I'm going to be reading
32:36might be upsetting to me.
32:42and then I do the same when I finish with that text.
32:46I sort of close it
32:48and I breathe
32:50and I go and wash my hands again.
32:52And I find that really helps me keep a sense of separation.
32:57and so I actually do the same thing when I do my work at the computer.
33:03But yeah, I mean, it is hard to talk about with my husband and my children.
33:11It's not that you're lonely,
33:13but you're very alone.
33:15Profoundly alone.
33:17Profoundly alone.
33:21I have a Sri Lankan counsellor who's generally helping me with stuff
33:25and Kate has her own counsellor who's helping me so we cope,
33:29but you can't, you just...
33:31For a variety of reasons, I mean, nobody would understand in the first place.
33:35I have two showers a day because you try to wash away the sins of your work.
33:42Sabendo que você faz isso por razões correctas, mas a vulgaridade, a venom, a viciousidade é constante.
33:50E é muito quente.
33:52Naquela noite, que é um quente, é um quente.
33:56Meu Instagram é full de cães e cães.
34:01É porque o algoritmo se acostumbrou a minha late-night scrolling
34:08e joyscrolling, que não tem nada a ver com o trabalho.
34:13E então eu treino o algoritmo bem para não me apresentar com qualquer coisa que é topical, contemporâneo ou político.
34:24E eu ando.
34:30E tento reconciliar a natureza do que eu vejo e a natureza do que eu vejo
34:36com a natureza do que me envolvendo.
34:47Há anos atrás, nós falamos sobre a internet como um escape do mundo.
34:54Agora eu gosto de usar o mundo real como um escape do internet.
34:58A resposta para quem está atrás dessa informação é que muita coisa é orgânica.
35:13Muitas pessoas que estão fazendo o recrutamento e o radicalismo não são próprios
35:18que estão ficando atrás da tela.
35:21E eles são apenas pessoas que estão ficando um pouco mais rápido.
35:27Mas se o Steve Bannon ou o Peter Thiel fundam um site que faz um conspiração
35:32e que faz o seu caminho para Nova Zelândia,
35:34mesmo que as pessoas que estão expondo em Nova Zelândia
35:37não recebem dinheiro de investimento.
35:39E eu acho que todo o trabalho não aconteceu sem o dinheiro para começar.
35:42Muitos anos atrás,
35:46eu acho que as pessoas e agentes de desinformação
35:50estão tentando algumas coisas sobre a nossa democracia
35:53para ver se eles funcionam.
35:55Muitos anos atrás,
35:57eu acho que nós somos um país que é hackable.
36:02Nós somos uma pequena democracia social.
36:06Nós somos extremamente transparente.
36:09E essas coisas que fazem Nova Zelândia
36:11um lugar muito interessante para as pessoas experimentarem
36:14com o que a democracia social parecem.
36:20Você vê um abacamento em todo o mundo.
36:22É incrível.
36:24Em Nova Zelândia.
36:26Eles são o canário na caixa de mineração.
36:27É isso que nós temos que prestar atenção
36:29para o que está acontecendo em Nova Zelândia e na Austrália.
36:47Depois da invasão da Ucrânia,
36:49há algo curioso que os estudantes em todo o mundo acreditam.
36:53O que é que o pro-Putin e o pro-Kremlin
36:58e o pro-Kremlin content
37:00became such a dominant signature
37:01in the anti-vax communities,
37:03globalmente.
37:06E os lugares que a propaganda propaganda
37:08foi promovida e celebrada
37:10foi em canais que eram pro-Trump e pro-MAGA.
37:15Eu, tudo que você pode imaginar,
37:17você pode associar com o QAnon,
37:19foram os que eram
37:20virtuos-signalando Putin
37:22como o salvador da ordem mundial
37:24e promovido de Putin como um herói.
37:26Às vezes até dizendo
37:28que a genesis da pandemia
37:29foi na Ucrânia.
37:31e o pro-Putin e o pro-Putin
37:36Hillary Clinton and all of them and the deep cabal and which is basically Ukraine is a cesspit
37:42and when you start pulling at that string then the curtains start coming down and then you start
37:54unraveling what is actually a global network of disinformation linked to certain states in as
38:00much as can be determined and they are from businesses and industry leaders they are
38:07ex-politicians associated with a certain political ideology and religious leaders
38:12and we are witnessing globally the contestation of liberal democracies in ways that you would
38:24that thought ended with the end of the Cold War frankly we did win this election this is nothing
38:32less than an epic struggle between good and evil uncertainty anxiety anger is the purpose of
38:44disinformation and misinformation it's a internal cancer that rots society from within
38:55disinformation is such a terrible threat to successful democracies it's like the weaponization
39:07of some of our most intimate faculties as human beings trust is really the foundation of I don't
39:19want to exaggerate but trust is the foundation of everything good and right that we can experience
39:25together and without it we're done for and as it's a sort of cascade effect as soon as you no
39:37longer trust everybody to be contributing to the public good you don't want to be the last patsy
39:44standing while everybody else is you know kind of getting by on the sly yeah call the police some
39:51kind of fucked up dystopia the deepfakes incredibly convincing president Trump is a total and complete
39:58dipshit there's a video of Obama out there that where it looks like it's a real legitimate video of him
40:04and it's a totally synthetic video right same with this person does not exist that website which is
40:11completely 100 percent AI generated none of these people exist it's all just facial features that have
40:18been created by AI this is what's out there think about the stuff that is happening right under our noses
40:25that we don't know about that we think is real we've never had companies play this much of a
40:40fundamental role in geopolitics so we need to kind of think about this as a global problem and there are
40:47intergovernmental research groups on information disorders that does treat it as a global virus that
40:54requires a global community to address it not unlike climate change actually what is next is different
41:10levels of interaction that will be indistinguishable from online offline those worlds will just melt
41:17together you won't know what reality is outside of your own preferences in your own experiences but I
41:30think the change is exponential hey what's up and it's happening so this is the main spot where where
41:38we meet together to co-work you know it's really a beautiful space this the metaverse is constructed
41:51by private companies who call the shots instead of democratically elected governments but if these
41:57places are where we have all of our social interaction and they're not actually public spaces that throws
42:02up really fundamental issues about is that how we want to live our lives hey are you coming yeah
42:10just gotta find something to wear all right perfect it's kind of like a sort of corporate feudalism in
42:18that you know with feudalism the Lord owns the land the Lord owns everything around you and you're sort
42:23of just allowed to eke out a living on their lands it's an enormous mistake for us to allow the metaverse
42:32to be subject only to the rules of its private owners because that means the well-being of everyone
42:40who enters there is going to be dependent on the arbitrary whim of the owner if all the economic
42:49activities happening in the metaverse then it is not a legitimate argument to say people freely signed
42:54away their rights what it means to be a member of a democratic country is to participate in those
43:00rights isn't it funny there are so many terrible things happening in the world today but I'll tell you
43:08what I'm feeling very positive because the digital world is a platform for the genius of bands of youth
43:18everywhere this generation of digital natives are skeptical and interested in plural verification and
43:27they know how to network with each other outside of official channels and they're incredibly cynical
43:35about hierarchy and authority and well might they be they're not going to be expecting corporations
43:43to be acting in their interests which is something that people of my generation frequently did
43:47this generation of digital natives are devoting enormous amounts of time and energy to making the world that
44:07they inherited better because they have a really strong sense of how many things are
44:12wrong with it and I'm just grateful to them
44:14and I'm just grateful to them
44:18whether the digital world kills us before climate change does I don't know it's like a race to the
44:36bottom that's what I feel like on most days no no no I'm not gonna be the hopeful end to your film
44:44it's not good in my mind and yet there's a small part of me that holds out hope that maybe there's a way through you know
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