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00:00Hello and welcome to episode 11 of the Traitors Uncloaked,
00:03your official visualized companion podcast with me, Ed Gamble.
00:07The final is within touching distance.
00:09We are one day away from finding out how everything ends
00:11and what a cliffhanger we ended on today.
00:14So, spoiler alert, make sure you've caught up with episode 11 on iPlayer, please,
00:18then come back and enjoy this edition of Uncloaked.
00:21Coming up, Roxy is here, fresh from murder,
00:24to tell us all about her castle experience.
00:27It's an Uncloaked family reunion.
00:28Roxy's mum, Judy, is back.
00:31Plus, he's a hundy.
00:32Celebrity faithful Joe Marler is here,
00:34along with devious Series 3 traitor Mina.
00:44Joe, Mina, welcome.
00:46Welcome back to Uncloaked.
00:47Lovely to have you here.
00:49You're part of the furniture now.
00:51Interesting.
00:51You're always here.
00:52We are the furniture.
00:53What parts?
00:54What parts?
00:55What furniture are we?
00:56Good question.
00:58Difficult to move away from thinking that you're a couch or a fridge.
01:02Right.
01:03And Mina?
01:04Mina, a really lovely curtain.
01:07Oh!
01:08A curtain.
01:09Just thinking of the most ornate possible thing.
01:12Just...
01:12Fair enough.
01:13Let's talk about your thoughts on the series as a whole so far.
01:16Ed.
01:17How have you enjoyed it?
01:18My adrenaline from every episode...
01:21Yeah.
01:21Like, I can't go to bed straight after watching it.
01:24I need, like, two hours to just, like, come down from the high of Traitors.
01:27Also, it finishes at 9pm, Mina.
01:29Okay, I've got a child.
01:30Okay, fine.
01:31Can you give me that?
01:33I mean, no one's going to bed straight after Traitors, are they?
01:35Because they all want to tune into Uncloaked.
01:37Well played.
01:38Really good.
01:39What about you, Joe?
01:40How have you found the series as a whole?
01:42Oh, I loved it.
01:43So hard.
01:44It's just...
01:45I didn't think it could get better.
01:48And it was also weird, the come down off of our series,
01:53and it's like, oh, now I get to be the fan again,
01:56rather than take part in it.
01:57And I was like, oh, is it going to be the same?
01:59Because I've actually experienced it.
02:01Is it going to be the same watching it back now?
02:04And yes, it's the answer.
02:05Better almost.
02:06It's way better.
02:07I really enjoy, even though I'm faithful through and through,
02:11I do really love Rachel and Stephen,
02:14and the way they've gone about it, and the way they've played.
02:17Well, we need to talk about Stephen and Rachel,
02:18because we need to talk about that cliffhanger.
02:20We're now looking at two very different possibilities
02:23for how tomorrow's final could play out.
02:26We either have Stephen as a lone traitor,
02:28battling for faithful, or we have James banished,
02:31and a very fragile dynamic between Rachel and Stephen
02:34going into that final day.
02:35Were we surprised to see Rachel in so much trouble?
02:39What I think she shouldn't have done
02:40is what she said to Stephen in the turret,
02:43that if I start talking about you,
02:45because Stephen would have never, ever said anything about her,
02:48but she said that, and then he thought, hang on,
02:51are we just solo now?
02:52What I love is that Faraz has come to the party.
02:57I'd like to reference...
02:58Oh, sorry, we should say on Uncloat,
03:00Joe brings in his little notebook.
03:01Why'd you say it like that, mate?
03:03No, no, don't break that down.
03:05Just in case people didn't see the first time
03:06you were on Uncloat, this series...
03:08It was the emphasis you put on little.
03:10Well, it is a little notebook, Joe.
03:11Okay, back to Faraz.
03:13Yes.
03:13I love that he's just, like, bided his time.
03:16I don't think there's been any strategy in it.
03:18I think he's just bided his time
03:20by just enjoying being there.
03:22Yeah.
03:22Just, like, enjoying the ride.
03:24And then when he's sort of looked around and gone,
03:26hang on, there's not that many people left.
03:29Oh, I should start playing the game now.
03:31And he's really brought it.
03:32Yeah.
03:32Now he's brought Rachel to the table.
03:34It's a really good way of playing.
03:35Very bold, and it seems like people are following him as well.
03:38Yeah, they're listening to him.
03:39They trust him, they believe in him.
03:41I think, obviously, Rachel has had heat on her
03:44throughout the game.
03:45She's had way more heat than you ever did, Mina.
03:46Yeah.
03:47So it's not that thing of going,
03:48we need to look at people who haven't had heat.
03:49But all of the heat was dismissed, and it was mad.
03:52So it was like the Fiona explosion.
03:54Yes, and then Harriet.
03:55It was the Harriet meltdown.
03:57It was all of these things where people go,
03:59well, it can't be that, it can't be that,
04:00it must be them.
04:00Do you know what I think Rachel's really good at?
04:03Just staying composed.
04:04Like, she convinces me that she's a faithful,
04:07and I know she's a traitor,
04:08but she'll be like, well, I'm not a traitor.
04:11And you're like, actually, she could be on something here.
04:13She's not a traitor.
04:14It'll be that FBI training she had.
04:17Where can you go for that training?
04:18I don't think you can.
04:19Because I should have gone for that training.
04:21I think you have to join the FBI.
04:23Or watch Men in Black loads of times.
04:26Just over and over.
04:27Yeah, I've noticed that she keeps trying to erase
04:28people's memories at the round table, doesn't she?
04:31Just a normal pen.
04:32Just Ben coming out.
04:32She's just, she's played such a phenomenal game,
04:36because I feel like she had no idea
04:38that Fiona was going to do that,
04:40and I thought that was the roguest thing
04:41I've ever seen anyone do on traitors, ever.
04:43But she just adapted.
04:45Straight away, nothing phases her,
04:46nothing gets her flustered,
04:47and that round table, she was just like,
04:49who was in the cages?
04:51I was like, how have you even remembered this?
04:53Do you think she could have done a better job there, though,
04:56by, rather than bringing Stephen up
04:59as a possibility with that?
05:01Just, like, doubling down
05:03and going after James even harder.
05:04Do you know what I mean?
05:05Rather than actually bringing another name to the table,
05:08her traitor mate.
05:09Yeah.
05:10I don't think she needed to at that point, to be honest.
05:13I think she had that in her back pocket,
05:15but whether she should have waited
05:16until she definitely needed to do it.
05:19I mean, speaking of Stephen versus Rachel,
05:21let's just remind ourselves of this delicious bit.
05:23I was going to ask you tonight, Rachel,
05:27the one thing that was on my mind
05:29was about the Fiona situation as well,
05:31and I thought the way you took Fiona down
05:35at the following round table...
05:36Yeah.
05:37..to me seemed like a real carbon copy
05:39of how Harriet took Hugo down.
05:41And we all know that that meant that Harriet
05:43was in such a kind of, like, celebrated faithful
05:45amongst the group, right?
05:46And I thought, is that a traitor
05:48that's kind of looked at what someone's done
05:50and the reaction they got,
05:52and then tried to copy that, you know,
05:55cookie-cutter style.
05:57I caught her in that lie.
05:59Yeah.
05:59And you could tell by my reaction,
06:01I was like, what the hell is going on?
06:03Love it.
06:04Cookie-cutter.
06:04Cookie-cutter.
06:06I love that.
06:06I thought that was great,
06:07because he'd practised that before, hadn't he?
06:09Yeah, you could tell.
06:09He'd sort of spread that around the castle a bit,
06:11and he was like, I'm going to go for it.
06:13What I love about this is they're both prepared for it.
06:17Yes.
06:17So Rachel comes through him,
06:18he's a little bit taken about
06:19that it's happening right now,
06:20but then he's got his arguments as well.
06:22I think it might be more convincing
06:23if he wasn't sweating profusely.
06:25Oh, honestly, I love Stephen.
06:27He's so Alan, isn't he?
06:28I love Stephen so much.
06:30But even then, he just seemed so nervous.
06:33We always say on Traitors,
06:34it's about consistency of behaviour, right?
06:36So Rachel's always been very calm and very chill,
06:39and Stephen has been red and sweaty
06:41for the whole thing.
06:41Consistently.
06:42Yeah.
06:42If he stopped sweating,
06:43people would be like,
06:44oh boy, something's up with Stephen.
06:46Yeah.
06:46What do we think Stephen wants to happen
06:48in the Chests of Chance?
06:49I think if he's smart,
06:50he's going to want Rachel to go.
06:51Yeah.
06:52Because they need to confirm a traitor tonight.
06:55Yeah.
06:55If they don't,
06:56then I think the faithful can't relax
06:58and I think there's more chance
06:59that he can't win then.
07:00If Rachel goes,
07:01and obviously this is the last time
07:03anyone can reveal their role,
07:05so she will have to reveal
07:06that she's a traitor.
07:07As a faithful,
07:09do you think they are looking at people
07:10who did vote for Rachel
07:11or didn't vote for Rachel?
07:13I think Stephen will want Rachel to go
07:16because it gives the faithfuls
07:18a traitor and I think
07:19and there's enough suspicion
07:21on James still
07:22for him to then angle with that one.
07:26I mean,
07:26if James makes it through
07:27the Chests of Chance,
07:29bless him,
07:29he is first to go
07:30at that next round table.
07:31The final round table
07:32before the end game,
07:33he's gone.
07:33Yeah.
07:34He's wild.
07:35He's an enigma.
07:36He's been brilliant.
07:37Every episode he's been brilliant.
07:38For both traitors and faithfuls.
07:39Yeah.
07:40They're like,
07:41we can't get rid of him.
07:42Yeah.
07:43Because he causes so much chaos.
07:45We can't keep him.
07:46He causes so much chaos.
07:47Yeah.
07:47He's just been brilliant
07:49the whole way through.
07:49I think I'm the only person
07:50in the country
07:51who thinks he did quite well
07:52at this round table
07:53because what convinces me
07:54is his argument of,
07:56well,
07:57I'm just throwing things out
07:58because I've got nothing to hide.
07:59I'm a faithful.
07:59But you're so confusing, James.
08:01He's like,
08:01yeah,
08:01I'm just literally
08:02having a thought
08:03and saying it out loud
08:04because I don't need
08:04to put a filter in place.
08:06I think that's a clear,
08:08obvious tell sign for me
08:09that he is,
08:10if I was in there,
08:11that he is a faithful
08:12because if he was a traitor,
08:13he'd be gone
08:14when Hugo went
08:15because you can't be
08:17that bad as a traitor
08:18and still be in.
08:19You just can't.
08:20So at the round table,
08:21Jack and Faraz
08:22were very forthcoming
08:23with their interrogation
08:24of Rachel.
08:25Joe,
08:26as a true Hundy faithful,
08:27how do you think they did?
08:28Did they make you proud?
08:29Yeah, they did.
08:29They've come a long way
08:31from Faraz milking Jack.
08:36They've come a long way
08:37and I'm really proud.
08:38How do we rate the chances
08:40of the faithful
08:40going into the final?
08:41Because obviously
08:42we've got Jade,
08:43Jack,
08:43Faraz
08:44and at the moment
08:45that we know of,
08:46James, right?
08:47Potentially James.
08:48What do they need to do
08:50to win?
08:50If we go down the route
08:51of Rachel not going
08:52and she doesn't do
08:54a good enough job
08:55to spin it on Stephen,
08:56in her attempt,
08:58they'll get rid of her
08:59and then she'll have
09:00thrown enough evidence
09:01towards Stephen
09:02to make the others feel
09:03they can't trust him.
09:05So then they won't end
09:06the game with Stephen.
09:07He's gone.
09:08Then it comes down to
09:09is there still enough
09:11doubt over Jade
09:12even if Faraz
09:13and Jack
09:14haven't been suspicious of her?
09:16I'm not going to lie.
09:17I can see a world
09:18where Stephen wins.
09:19Really?
09:19I feel like
09:20because he's been
09:21so consistent
09:22and the library thing
09:25got squashed
09:26with Fiona going
09:26traitor, fab.
09:28So he can always say
09:29well it wasn't me
09:30in the cage
09:31I was framed
09:31especially if
09:33if Rachel goes
09:34and she brought that up
09:35he could be like
09:36well she's bringing
09:37that up again
09:38she's the one
09:39that put me in there.
09:40There's a world
09:40where he could win.
09:41There is.
09:42Okay now time to talk
09:44to a true faithful
09:45a certified hundi.
09:46The brilliant Roxy
09:47did so well to get so far
09:48but tonight we saw her murdered
09:50just one day
09:50before the final.
09:53Roxy
09:54by order of the traitors
09:55you have been murdered.
09:58Signed
09:58the traitors.
10:02I kind of knew it today
10:03because I went so hard
10:04at the table
10:05I think I was going
10:05for the traitors
10:06and I think they know it
10:07but honestly
10:08I'm so proud of myself
10:09for getting this far.
10:10I would love for Stephen
10:12or Rachel to win.
10:14I think they're both
10:15amazing people
10:17and I think they've
10:18hopefully been faithful
10:20and honest
10:21throughout the process
10:22but yeah
10:23it's been a ball.
10:26And Roxy's here now!
10:29Roxy!
10:31Roxy
10:31where do we begin?
10:33Oh no!
10:34Your last words
10:35in the game
10:35were hoping
10:36that Stephen
10:37and Rachel win.
10:38You pinpointed
10:38the two traitors.
10:40Yep.
10:40Why did you have them
10:41both pegged
10:42as definitely faithful?
10:43I trust people
10:45quite easily
10:45and I really just
10:46built friendships
10:47with those two
10:48and I just trusted them
10:49I had to trust them
10:50with my life
10:51like I did
10:51in fairness
10:54to you
10:55you didn't
10:55in that clip
10:56say
10:56I hope
10:58the faithful
10:59Rachel
11:00and Stephen
11:00win.
11:01Yeah you see.
11:02You just said
11:03I hope Rachel
11:04or Stephen
11:04win.
11:05So maybe you're
11:06just team traces.
11:07But then if you listen
11:07Roxy did then say
11:08and I hope
11:09they've been faithful.
11:09Yeah.
11:09Ignore that bit.
11:12I only heard that
11:13it's fine.
11:15Mina and Jo
11:16you both know
11:16what it's like
11:17to be so near
11:18yet so far
11:19almost getting
11:20to the end
11:20of the game.
11:21Do you have
11:21some words of comfort
11:22for Roxy
11:22in this difficult time?
11:24I think
11:25know that you
11:26played a really
11:26good game
11:27but the issue
11:28is they were
11:28limited as to
11:29who they could
11:30murder
11:30and Faraz
11:31had actually
11:31said to Rachel
11:32don't kill me
11:33tonight.
11:34And I think
11:35that's just
11:35what saved it
11:36for him.
11:37I think so.
11:38The advice
11:38I can offer
11:39you is
11:39unfortunately
11:40you'll live
11:41with that
11:41heartbreak
11:42for the rest
11:42of your life.
11:42Honestly
11:43it really does
11:43hurt.
11:44And I'm there
11:45with you
11:45because I feel
11:46exactly the same.
11:47I don't think
11:48you could have
11:48done anything
11:49more.
11:49At least you
11:50can look at
11:50it going
11:51I played
11:52it the best
11:52of my ability
11:53and that was
11:54it.
11:54You couldn't
11:55have done
11:56anything.
11:56Maybe get
11:57the shield
11:57at the end
11:58but even
11:58that's out of
11:59your hand.
11:59And you tried.
12:00What I love
12:01the most Roxy
12:02is that you
12:02did mention
12:03both of them
12:04but in your
12:05heart somewhere
12:05you thought
12:06is someone
12:07keeping me
12:07here and you
12:08said both of
12:08their names
12:09at the end.
12:09I just asked
12:10them and I was
12:10like okay
12:10you're a faithful.
12:12At least I asked
12:13them.
12:13I did like that
12:13though you were
12:14like are you a
12:15traitor and they
12:15said no and you
12:15went great
12:16okay thanks.
12:17I just wanted
12:18to share with
12:19you my thoughts
12:20like I'm just
12:20concerned and I
12:22just wanted to
12:23kind of put it
12:23to you I guess.
12:26All I can say
12:27to you is that
12:28I'm not a traitor.
12:29You can't even say it.
12:30I'm so faithful.
12:31But I don't
12:32really have anything
12:32else to say
12:33because I'm not
12:33actually keeping
12:34you here because
12:35I'm not a traitor.
12:39I'm only asking
12:39as I've got to
12:40ask as my
12:41close people
12:41I've got to
12:42do it just
12:42my own
12:42peace of mind.
12:43No.
12:44No.
12:44I have to
12:45even if you
12:46hate it.
12:47I love you
12:47to bits
12:47but no
12:48it's not me.
12:49It's awful.
12:50I can't not
12:51ask.
12:52No it's not me.
12:53I know.
12:54No it's not.
12:54I don't think it is.
12:55I haven't thought
12:56it is but.
12:56I know but you
12:57have to ask.
12:57You have to ask.
12:59They were both
13:00very convincing.
13:01But in different ways.
13:02They honestly were.
13:02They really were.
13:03Like Rachel more
13:04of the emotional
13:05strings.
13:06And then
13:06looking at Stephen
13:07now like
13:08he's only lying.
13:09He could barely
13:10say
13:10I'm not
13:11just being
13:11telling him.
13:12He literally
13:13just done an
13:13Alan Carr
13:14and laughed.
13:15Yeah.
13:15I just love
13:16hearing him say
13:16the word traitor.
13:17Yeah.
13:17Yeah.
13:18Exactly.
13:19That's why I
13:19asked him.
13:21No but I
13:21just trust them
13:22both so much
13:22and I don't
13:23regret it because
13:24that's who
13:25I am as a
13:26person so
13:26yeah it is
13:27what it is.
13:28You're just
13:28Roxy.
13:29That's it you
13:29see.
13:30Oh God
13:30don't let me
13:31steal my mum's
13:31phrase.
13:34Never live
13:35that down.
13:36Why do you
13:36think Stephen's
13:37not attracted
13:37more suspicion
13:38throughout the
13:38game because
13:39obviously Jesse
13:40was really
13:41hot on his
13:42tail.
13:42Queen Jesse.
13:43But people
13:43weren't really
13:44picking up
13:45what she was
13:45putting down.
13:46Do you know what he
13:46is?
13:47And like
13:47in life as well
13:48he is just
13:49the loveliest
13:50person.
13:51Yeah.
13:51Like he's just
13:52this lovely
13:53floaty
13:54nice character
13:54so you just
13:55find it really
13:55hard to believe
13:56that he's got it
13:56in him but
13:57he has
13:57obviously.
13:58Yeah I think
13:59even watching him
14:00knowing he's a traitor
14:01there's a lot of
14:02warmth that really
14:03comes through the
14:04screen.
14:04I mean you know
14:05personality warmth
14:06and genuine warmth
14:07for that guy
14:08because he's sweating
14:09his butt off.
14:10Yeah constantly
14:11and it's always bright red.
14:12Yeah huge jumper.
14:14Which is nice
14:14but it's also like
14:15Rachel should be getting
14:17as much applauded
14:18as a traitor.
14:20Because as a traitor
14:21she's been
14:22one of the best
14:23we've seen.
14:23But when she gave
14:24you a hug
14:24and said that
14:25she wasn't a traitor
14:26did you buy it
14:26immediately?
14:27Do you know
14:27I did
14:28and I actually
14:28felt bad
14:30for asking her
14:30the question
14:31because I felt
14:31like I made
14:32her upset
14:32so I was like
14:33I feel like
14:34I didn't even need
14:35to ask the question
14:35to already think
14:36that she wasn't
14:36a traitor
14:37but I just
14:37was like
14:37I have to.
14:38If it was
14:39like a lesser
14:39traitor than
14:40Rachel
14:40I think you
14:41could have
14:41seen a flicker
14:42of something
14:42across her face
14:43but she is
14:43just so solid.
14:44Honestly
14:45like nothing rocks
14:46that woman.
14:48Last night
14:50we also saw
14:50Faraz come to you
14:51and air his
14:52suspicions of Rachel.
14:53Your response
14:54was incredible
14:54where you know
14:55when you can just
14:56tell someone's done
14:57where you're like
14:58oh no get me
14:59out of this game.
15:00It's like get me
15:01off this earth.
15:02Yeah I think Faz
15:03unreal job.
15:04I really am rooting
15:05for him now
15:06because I think
15:06he's just put
15:07the pieces together
15:07whether it's too late
15:08or not I don't know.
15:09Yeah can he
15:10mobilise enough people?
15:11Is there any part
15:12of you that's a little
15:13bit annoyed at him
15:14that goes
15:15why didn't you
15:16come to the table
15:17earlier?
15:18Why did you let us
15:19like you've been
15:20quite vocal
15:20from the off
15:21since losing your mum
15:23you've been like
15:23right I'm going
15:24after X, Y and Z
15:25you know he hasn't
15:27really brought it
15:27to the party
15:28and it's enabled him
15:29to go under the
15:29radar a bit.
15:30It has
15:31but I think
15:32what I love about Faz
15:33is that he
15:33he didn't necessarily
15:35have the confidence
15:36at the beginning
15:36so he really grew
15:37into himself
15:37and I think
15:38at the time
15:39where he is in the game
15:40he's now fully
15:41confident and comfortable
15:42to say those things
15:43like he's been
15:44on quite a nice journey
15:45if you ask me
15:45so I won't hold it
15:46against him
15:47but yeah he could have
15:47bloody spoke up earlier
15:48So it's going to be
15:51Rachel or James
15:52who are banished
15:53at this round table
15:54if you were at that
15:55round table tonight
15:55would you at all
15:57be swayed by the arguments
15:58from Faraz and Jack
15:59to vote for Rachel
16:00do you think?
16:01No
16:01You were pretty set on James
16:04I'm so glad you didn't lie
16:05Honestly
16:06I had a beer in my bonnet
16:08about James
16:09I think I still do
16:10I'm like
16:10I still think he's a traitor
16:11somehow
16:11but yeah
16:14we'll see
16:14What was it about James
16:16because it got to the point
16:17where you were saying
16:18I think you could have
16:18masterminded this whole thing
16:20you could have
16:20so basically you thought
16:21he was the most incredible
16:23traitor of all time
16:23and a mastermind criminal
16:25Yeah I guess you could say that
16:27because nobody was looking at him
16:29and I was like
16:30thinking I cracked
16:31some big mystery
16:32I was just thinking
16:33because of his personality
16:35people thought he wouldn't have
16:37the ability to do
16:38the traitor role
16:39so I was like
16:39that's the perfect guys
16:41for the traitor
16:41just sort of hide behind
16:42the big personality
16:43so I was just running
16:44and running
16:45and running
16:46with that
16:47but I think
16:47with the stealing of the shield
16:49at that point I was like
16:50it's got to be him
16:51because I was just like
16:52he wants it
16:52because he's a traitor
16:53and oh yeah
16:54so I just couldn't
16:55I couldn't stop with that
16:56unfortunately
16:57Well a lot of it I think
16:58ends up being confirmation bias
16:59doesn't it
17:00where you think it's someone
17:01so everything they do
17:02from that going on
17:03becomes proof
17:04which I think
17:05you and James
17:06love it or not
17:07have in common
17:07because he's the same
17:09he's like
17:09it's Matty
17:10it is
17:10the dagger pointing at him
17:11he was nuts
17:12yeah
17:12the dagger's pointing at him
17:13put on that
17:14Roxy let's talk about
17:17what we've seen
17:18from James
17:19after you left
17:20would his urgency
17:21in the uphill mission
17:21have changed your mind at all
17:23no
17:23honestly nothing
17:26would have changed my mind
17:27really
17:27when he went back
17:28and he was throwing
17:29those gold things
17:31I thought
17:31James if you run out of gold
17:33and you have to go back
17:34with nothing
17:35you are done
17:36you're done
17:36you're actually done
17:37just don't go back James
17:38or if they run out of time
17:39because you've puked up
17:40and then fallen over
17:41what have you done
17:42he was always going to puke
17:44or faint
17:44after the way he sprinted off
17:47at the start
17:47like your same bolt
17:49just gone
17:50and you're like
17:50it was insane
17:51where's he going
17:52yeah literally
17:53he doesn't even know
17:54where he's going
17:54the rest of the crowd
17:55are like
17:56should I change the pace
17:57they all have to stay together
17:57at the end anyway
17:58so they didn't
17:59yeah
17:59but I understand his instinct
18:01he was so gutted
18:02about Matty the night before
18:03he really wanted to prove himself
18:05he wanted to do something
18:06for the team
18:06yeah
18:07but then it was
18:08it was Faraz laughing
18:10on the way back
18:11from the mission
18:11that got me
18:12kept laughing about it
18:13being like
18:14he's all green
18:15he's getting projectile
18:16vomited green
18:16yeah
18:17oh so good
18:20oh he did work hard
18:21that was my favourite
18:22favourite moment
18:23from a mission this year
18:24I have to say
18:25it was just so
18:26it was just so chaotic
18:27but that's like
18:28my favourite thing about James
18:29you just don't know
18:30what you're getting from him
18:31but it's going to be great
18:33regardless what it is
18:34Roxy what's it like
18:35watching the game
18:36now you're out
18:37and you can see Jade
18:38navigating the game
18:39as a faithful
18:39what do we think
18:40her chances are
18:41she's had a lot of suspicion
18:42she has
18:43but she's so strong
18:45and she speaks so eloquently
18:46and I think
18:47if she maintains that
18:50and puts her arguments forward
18:51if she gets more heat
18:52I actually think
18:53she might be an underdog
18:54to go like really far
18:55okay
18:56now there's been
18:57some great secret connections
18:58in that castle this series
18:59social media has been
19:00rife with speculation
19:01so now we have
19:03a little uncloaked
19:03exclusive for you
19:05here's the moment
19:05our banished and murdered cast
19:07got to open
19:07that elusive second scroll
19:09and we promise you
19:10there are no other
19:11undisclosed connections left
19:13apart from Sam
19:14being my brother
19:14no just messing
19:16he's my son
19:17here we go
19:17right Adam
19:23thank you for my starter
19:25I'm ready for my main course
19:26serve me up something nice
19:28I shall try
19:30I shall try
19:31secret relationships
19:34oh
19:35what the hell
19:38what is it
19:40Ross
19:41Ross
19:41and Ellie
19:44are a couple
19:46so Ross has another
19:49relationship
19:50no
19:50oh my god
19:52shit
19:53I'll see it now
19:54oh that's sweet
19:56isn't it
19:57they're both so tall
19:59you and Ross are in a couple
20:01I'm
20:04so all of the Nettie stuff
20:07oh
20:09Ross
20:14and Ellie
20:16I would never have ever put them two together
20:18I never had that at all
20:20right next one
20:21what else
20:22you okay
20:25bloody hell
20:27I can't believe this one
20:28you're never gonna guess this
20:30go on go on go on
20:31what
20:34I don't think we missed this
20:35what
20:35you know Judy
20:37yeah
20:38it's Roxy's mum
20:39no way
20:41oh my god
20:46mother and daughter
20:48oh Roxy
20:50this
20:54has
20:55shocked me
20:56and that's why Roxy didn't vote for her
20:59that's why Roxy voted for James
21:01she couldn't vote for her mother
21:02oh my god
21:04that is amazing
21:05what
21:06sorry
21:10is she adopted
21:11yes
21:12oh my god
21:13oh goodness me
21:15and poor Judy
21:17she wasn't there for long
21:19so my daughter
21:20I'm thinking
21:21go Roxy
21:22go Roxy
21:23I love that
21:24oh you must be so proud
21:25I'm so proud of her
21:26and Roxy's mum Judy
21:30is with us now
21:31welcome back to Uncloaked Judy
21:34thank you
21:35what was it like
21:36seeing the
21:36seeing the traitors murder
21:37Roxy
21:38we actually filmed
21:39your reaction to that moment
21:40what
21:45oh
21:45oh
21:46oh Roxy
21:48Roxy gone
21:48no
21:50oh no
21:52what
21:53oh my sir Roxy
21:54oh no Roxy
21:55it just goes to show how wrong we can all be
21:57I've been shouting them two from the hilltops the whole game
21:59oh my baby
22:03do you feel sad for Roxy
22:06yeah
22:06yes
22:07you know who else will be sad for her
22:09her mum
22:11Judy
22:17no
22:19what
22:21boom
22:25Judy
22:26how did you feel in that moment
22:31having to
22:31having to watch your daughter
22:32be
22:33be murdered on the traitors
22:34oh
22:34we're absolutely gutted
22:35I mean she's done so well
22:37but we're really gutted
22:38and I'm shouting at the television
22:41because she's saying
22:41oh Stephen and Rachel are so lovely
22:44they're so lovely
22:44I'm like
22:45what
22:45what
22:46so yeah
22:47there were a bit of that
22:48there was a like
22:50punching of the camera
22:50when you said that as well Roxy
22:52where he said
22:52I hope Stephen and Rachel
22:54were like
22:54yeah
22:55yeah
22:55yeah
22:56oh I noticed
22:57classy
22:58now we saw your fellow players
23:01finding out
23:02about the truth
23:03about your secret relationship
23:04what was that like to watch for you both
23:06oh
23:07hilarious
23:07absolutely
23:08especially Nettie
23:10yeah
23:10she just couldn't get her head round it
23:11yeah
23:11yeah
23:12Nettie was so shocked
23:13that's fun
23:13and Maz and Amanda as well
23:15so I was quite close to Amanda in there
23:17and she did not have a clue
23:19she spent a lot of time with both of us
23:20at the very beginning
23:20yeah
23:20that whole sequence
23:22where you're walking across to the gazebo
23:24yeah
23:24with Amanda
23:25is incredible
23:26because we've just found out
23:28your mother and daughter
23:28yeah
23:29and then you're saying
23:30you're quite a loud lady aren't you
23:31yeah
23:31that's what you said
23:32would you ever say that to anyone
23:34you've just met on a train
23:35to be honest
23:35I wouldn't put it past me
23:37but I was just like
23:39I'm just getting a few little slice shots in
23:41while I can
23:41do you know what I mean
23:42it's not every day
23:43she can't like tell you off
23:44and off
23:44yeah
23:45let's have a bit of fun with it
23:47yeah you're eating with your mouth open
23:49you're doing all this
23:50do you think if you'd have stayed in longer together
23:53some of that would have started creeping in
23:56oh yeah
23:56I'd have been going out
23:57you would be telling her off
23:57oh yeah
23:58Roxy are you eating?
23:59yeah I just got you banished
24:01I can feel it
24:03I can feel it
24:04I mean look
24:05we all
24:05if we're outside the game
24:06we all say we'd be good at the game
24:08but I would have spotted this straight away
24:09yeah you're telling me
24:10you've since seen Roxy
24:12that your mum suspected
24:14that you might be a traitor
24:16how did that feel?
24:17well actually yeah
24:18it did hurt
24:19I was like what
24:20but then I must say
24:21I wrote in my journal
24:22so I was journaling
24:23the first night
24:23I thought mum was a traitor
24:24at the table
24:25at the round table pick
24:27because she had a head
24:28like this
24:28and I was just looking at her
24:29like look up
24:29look up look up
24:30but she was looking down
24:31I was like
24:31oh she's a traitor
24:33but then I was like
24:33I'll just keep that away for a bit
24:35and see how she gets on
24:36I didn't have to use it
24:38but I would have used it against her
24:39but you more than anyone should know
24:40she's just herself
24:42she's just Jude
24:42yeah
24:44she must be just treacherous then
24:46that's just how I am
24:47just being myself
24:49yeah
24:50everybody kept saying all the time
24:52what
24:52you're doing what game you're in
24:53don't you
24:53I said yeah
24:54she was just on her holidays
24:56alright
24:58yeah but you were
24:59yes
25:00this is it
25:01oh god
25:02here's the traitor's spin off
25:03this is what we've been looking for
25:05yeah
25:05being a colada
25:07this would have proper
25:08you would have clashed house
25:10yeah
25:10throw them back in now
25:12yeah yeah yeah
25:13get them back in there tonight
25:14and stir it up
25:15yeah
25:15yeah
25:16can you tell us about
25:17the rest of your family's reactions
25:19to the show
25:20how's it been
25:21watching it with them
25:22or getting their reactions
25:23to you two being on it
25:24well our brothers
25:25oh god
25:26especially our Andrew
25:27yeah my oldest one
25:28yeah
25:28he's very serious
25:29our Andrew in two
25:30oh
25:31no he is
25:31and his thing is watching it like
25:33what are you doing Roxy
25:34like he just can't get over
25:36my ways of not catching treas
25:38yeah
25:38yeah
25:39but they all loved it
25:40I mean we all had a family thing together
25:42then it would really lovely want it
25:43yeah
25:43yeah
25:44nice
25:45they're all like
25:46go Roxy go Roxy
25:47and they're so proud of us
25:48because we've both got in together
25:49yeah
25:49she's lovely isn't it
25:50but yeah
25:52I think they just can't believe that
25:53we're on telly
25:54no I think they're still quite shocked by it
25:56yeah
25:56I think next series
25:57let's get the rest of your family
25:58yes
25:59let's get Andrew in there
26:02and see if he can do any better
26:03Roxy in episode nine
26:06at the dinner party
26:07it was very touching
26:08to hear you speak
26:08about your adoption
26:09if you don't mind
26:10we'd just like to play
26:11that moment again
26:12I was adopted by the most
26:14fantastic
26:15like
26:16wonderful woman
26:18who
26:18has shaped
26:20who I am
26:20and
26:21put her life on hold
26:22to get me
26:24to where I am now
26:25so
26:26I would love to do something
26:27so special
26:28to thank her
26:29um
26:30because yeah
26:31she's an absolute icon
26:32guys
26:34you're so lovely
26:36oh
26:36Judy how does it feel
26:37watching that
26:38I don't do crying
26:38oh I can see your eyes
26:40glass
26:41you alright
26:41oh Judy
26:42I don't do crying
26:43I never cry
26:44that's so crazy
26:45yeah
26:46that's nice
26:47I'll just wipe my eyes
26:48on your jacket
26:48get off
26:49the most heartbreaking thing
26:53about this series
26:55is the fact that
26:55these two weren't in it
26:56for longer
26:57I know
26:57to see this unfold
26:59for the last 11 episodes
27:01was just
27:01an attempt to conceal this
27:03that's what I was thinking
27:04like
27:04I'd love
27:05like halfway through episode six
27:07watching you two
27:08trying to convince everyone
27:09that you're not related
27:09whilst you're going
27:11let me wipe my snot off
27:12you can't get like
27:13get off
27:14I was a lovely
27:15I think
27:16yeah eventually
27:17I think people are looking
27:18at that family tree enough
27:19they're going
27:20there must be a family
27:20oh it's them
27:21yeah
27:22come on
27:23that's us for part one
27:26but you know
27:26we still have so much more
27:28to discuss with Roxy and Judy
27:29in your BBC Sounds bonus episode
27:31I want to know all about
27:32the reactions they've had
27:33from the public
27:34plus I'll be asking Roxy
27:35all about that breakfast clash
27:37with Harriet
27:37and there's more
27:38from Mina and Joe too
27:40that's now available
27:41on BBC Sounds
27:42scan this QR code
27:43on your screen
27:43to hear the rest of the conversation
27:45as you get your jammies on
27:46I'm back with the final
27:47uncloaked of the series
27:48getting all the reactions
27:49to that end game
27:51who will lose out
27:52in the chests of chance
27:53will it be Rachel or James
27:54not long to find out
27:55I'll be joined
27:56by all this year's players
27:58in front of a live audience
27:59plus for the first time ever
28:01we are giving you
28:02the opportunity
28:02to put your questions
28:03to the finalists
28:04and Claudia
28:05so if you've got something
28:07you want to ask
28:07send your questions
28:08at uncloaked
28:09at bbc.co.uk
28:10along with your name
28:12and location
28:12and listen out tomorrow
28:13to our BBC Sounds bonus episode
28:15to see if it gets answered
28:16my thanks to Roxy
28:18Judy
28:18Mina
28:19and Joe Marler
28:20I'm Ed Gamble
28:21stay faithful
28:22I'm Ed Gamble
28:23I'm Ed Gamble
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