00:00Dr. Verma, I wasn't sure I understood your answer to Senator Moody a moment ago.
00:03Do you think that men can get pregnant?
00:07I hesitated there because I wasn't sure where the conversation was going or what the goal was.
00:13I mean, I do take care of patients with different identities.
00:15I take care of many women.
00:17I take care of people with different identities.
00:19And so that's where I paused.
00:21I think I wasn't sure where you were going with that.
00:25Well, the goal is just the truth.
00:26So can men get pregnant?
00:28Again, the reason I paused there is I'm not really sure what the goal of the question is.
00:33The goal is just to establish a biological reality.
00:36You just said a moment ago that science and evidence should control, not politics.
00:41So let's just test that proposition.
00:43Can men get pregnant?
00:45I take care of people with many identities.
00:47Can men get pregnant?
00:48I take care of many women that can get pregnant.
00:51I do take care of people that don't identify as women.
00:54Can men get pregnant?
00:56Again, as I'm saying...
00:59Let me just remind you of what you testified to a moment ago.
01:01Science and evidence should control, not politics.
01:05So, can men get pregnant?
01:07You're a doctor, I think.
01:09I totally agree.
01:09Science and evidence should guide medicine.
01:12Do science and evidence tell us that men can get pregnant?
01:14Biological men.
01:15Can they get pregnant?
01:16I also think yes-no questions like this are a political tool.
01:20No, yes-no questions are about the truth, doctor.
01:22Let's not make a mockery of this proceeding.
01:24This is about science and evidence.
01:26And I'm asking you.
01:27You know, the United States Supreme Court just heard arguments yesterday at great length on this question.
01:33This is not a hypothetical question.
01:34This is not theoretical.
01:35It affects real people in their real lives.
01:38And you're here as an expert, called by the other side as an expert.
01:42And you've been telling us that you follow...
01:45Right, you're a doctor.
01:46And you follow the science and the evidence.
01:48So, I just want to know, based on the science, can men get pregnant?
01:52That's a yes-or-no question.
01:55It really is, I think.
01:56I think you're trying to reduce the complexity of a lot of...
01:59I'm not.
02:00I'm trying to get...
02:01It's not complex.
02:02I'm trying to get to an answer.
02:03And I'm trying to test, frankly, your veracity as a medical professional and as a scientist.
02:10Can men get pregnant?
02:11I think you're also conflating male and female with...
02:15No, I'm not conflating male and female.
02:17There are two different things.
02:18There's biological men and there's biological women.
02:21And I want to know, can men get pregnant?
02:24What you were talking about is biological...
02:27You're not going to answer my question.
02:28Biological males...
02:30This isn't hard, doctor.
02:31Can men get pregnant?
02:34Yes or no?
02:36I would be more than happy to have a conversation with you that is not coming from a place of
02:42trying to be polarized and push...
02:44I'm not trying to be polarizing.
02:46I'm trying to ask...
02:47I think it is extraordinary that we are here and hearing about science and about women.
02:53And for the record, it's women who get pregnant, not men.
02:57We are here about the safety of women and science that shows that this abortion drug causes adverse
03:07health events in 11% of cases, that's 22 times greater than the FDA label, another fact you
03:15haven't acknowledged, and yet you won't even acknowledge the basic reality that biological
03:20men don't get pregnant.
03:22There's a difference between biological men and biological women.
03:25I just, I don't know how we can take you seriously and your claims to be a person of science if
03:32you won't level with this on this basic issue.
03:34I thought we were past all of this, frankly.
03:36I can't believe we're still here talking about this.
03:40I am a person of science, and I'm also someone here who's here to represent the complex experiences
03:46of my patients.
03:47And I don't think polarized language or questions serve that goal.
03:52I don't think they serve the American people.
03:54It is not polarizing to say that there is a scientific difference between men and women.
03:59And I want this to be clear and for the record.
04:01It is not polarizing to say that women are a biological reality and should be treated and
04:06protected as such.
04:08That is not polarizing.
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