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Selon M. Bolton, une intervention militaire américaine pourrait avoir un « effet décisif » en Iran

John Bolton, ancien conseiller à la sécurité nationale du président Trump, estime que les États-Unis opteront pour des « frappes ciblées » contre l'Iran alors que la région se prépare à une intervention militaire. M. Trump a laissé entendre que l'aide américaine était « déjà en route »

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03:04also needs to step in here.
03:05What can it do?
03:06Well, Europe hasn't done much of anything, unfortunately.
03:08I think they should be working with the United States.
03:11We should all be working more with the opposition
03:13to provide resources, communications, for example,
03:16to help them coordinate better inside Iran.
03:19I think the situation is different now
03:21for a couple of reasons.
03:22Number one, the protest after the murder of Masyamini
03:26for neglecting to wear the hijab
03:30that the Ayatollahs prescribed
03:31was not just an issue about the dress code.
03:35The regime's basis of legitimacy
03:37is that it speaks the will of God.
03:40And when people say,
03:41well, we don't think wearing the hijab comes from God,
03:44it comes from the Ayatollahs,
03:46you're just not attacking that issue.
03:48You're attacking the very legitimacy
03:50of the Ayatollahs themselves.
03:52And that influence is still there.
03:54Plus, this time, the economic circumstances in Iran
03:57are really bad, worse than ever.
04:00And that's why the protests are so widespread,
04:03countrywide at this point.
04:05We hear Trump talking about coming to the aid
04:07of the Iranian people.
04:09We heard similar language when it came to Venezuela,
04:12yet Mr. Trump seems to be completely comfortable
04:16at the moment with having Nicolás Maduro
04:18sit in a New York prison
04:20while his vice president, Delsi Rodríguez,
04:23is at the helm in Caracas.
04:25She is a key figurehead of the Maduro regime.
04:30So when you look at Venezuela,
04:31do you think Trump is really interested
04:33in changing autocracies into democracies?
04:36Or is it really, at the end,
04:38all about oil and the strength of the dollar and so on?
04:42Well, it's not really clear
04:43what Trump is interested in.
04:44I think we're on the verge
04:45of squandering an opportunity in Venezuela.
04:48I'm glad Maduro has been captured,
04:51but the regime in power in Caracas
04:53is the Maduro regime without Maduro.
04:56And if we're not careful,
04:57that regime will entrench itself
04:59and the people will still not be able
05:02to take control of the government.
05:03And it will also mean
05:04that there's not going to be
05:05any substantial external investment
05:08in Venezuela in the oil industry.
05:10So the poverty there will continue.
05:12Trump himself tweeted to the Iranian opposition,
05:15take control of your institutions.
05:17Well, that's what he should be saying
05:19in Venezuela as well.
05:20That is how you help overthrow
05:22the repressive regime.
05:24He is due to meet the opposition leader,
05:27Maria Corina Machado, very soon.
05:30Do you think that could change anything?
05:32Or is Trump really not interested
05:33in a proper democratic transition in Venezuela?
05:36Well, I think this is a good opportunity
05:38for Machado to say,
05:39look, if you don't have
05:41representative government in Venezuela,
05:43you're never going to have
05:44a rule of law society.
05:46You're going to be subject
05:47to the arbitrary will
05:48of the Maduro regime.
05:50And those circumstances mean
05:52foreign investors
05:52are not going to come in.
05:53They're not going to risk,
05:55especially in the oil sector,
05:57billions of dollars of investment
05:58that some dictator
06:00can just grab away from them.
06:02So for Trump's own purposes,
06:04putting the opposition
06:05in Venezuela in power is important.
06:07And perhaps she can persuade
06:09or explain to him
06:10why that's important.
06:11If he fails to do that,
06:13is that a strategic failure
06:15for the U.S., do you feel?
06:16I think it could well be.
06:17I think what the regime
06:19in Caracas is doing now
06:20is shoring up its support
06:21from the military,
06:23the police,
06:24the colectivos,
06:25the motorcycle gangs
06:26that they use
06:27to intimidate the population
06:29and strengthening their position,
06:31talking to China
06:32about China exploiting
06:34Venezuela's oil.
06:35So the moment's not lost yet,
06:37but it's just a clear mistake
06:39to stop with Maduro.
06:40And on Greenland,
06:42Trump has recently said
06:44that anything less
06:45than U.S. control
06:47of that territory,
06:48which belongs
06:49to the Kingdom of Denmark,
06:50is unacceptable to him.
06:53Do you think he's willing
06:54to use force,
06:56military force,
06:57to seize that territory?
06:59Ultimately,
07:00I don't think he will.
07:01I think just the talk, though,
07:03of using military forces
07:04is costing the U.S.
07:06in terms you can't
07:07even calculate,
07:08in terms of trust
07:09and good faith
07:10and our reputation.
07:13And if we can say there,
07:14there's a new poll out today
07:15that shows exactly 8%
07:17of the American people
07:18favor the use of force
07:20to take Greenland.
07:21I'd like to ask that 8%
07:22if they even know
07:23where Greenland is.
07:24Yet he seems to be
07:25doubling down, Mr. Bolton.
07:26He seems to be turning
07:27his back on diplomacy.
07:28His language is very clear.
07:30What could this mean
07:31for the U.S. reputation
07:32if he does move ahead
07:34with a seizure?
07:35And what could it mean
07:36for the NATO alliance?
07:38Well, I think it's a disaster
07:39for the United States,
07:40as I say,
07:40that we're even talking
07:41about this.
07:42And it would be
07:42infinitely worse
07:44if he did try
07:45and use military force.
07:46I think there'd be
07:47a political earthquake
07:48in this country.
07:50There is essentially
07:51zero support.
07:53And certainly in Congress,
07:55it would be a matter
07:56of grave concern.
07:57And I think many people
07:58believe that if it happened,
08:00it would be the end
08:00of the NATO alliance.
08:01and doing grave damage
08:05to U.S. national security,
08:06not to mention
08:07the other NATO allies.
08:08In the end,
08:09will we just see
08:10something more transactional?
08:12Do you think he'll opt
08:12for a deal,
08:13for example,
08:14by paying a lump sum
08:15to Greenlanders
08:16or striking some kind
08:17of agreement
08:18with the Danish government?
08:19Is he pushing here
08:20for a sale?
08:21Well, he will want
08:22to be able to declare
08:23a victory on something
08:24because, after all,
08:26the world is divided
08:27into winners and losers
08:28and he always wins.
08:30But it's not,
08:32it doesn't make it
08:33any easier
08:34to get to an agreement,
08:35which legitimately
08:36does concern
08:37U.S. national security,
08:38Canadian security,
08:40Danish security,
08:41the security
08:41of the entire
08:42NATO alliance
08:43against the growing
08:44Russian and Chinese
08:45threats in the Arctic Ocean.
08:47So a quiet approach
08:49to this,
08:49I think,
08:50could really move
08:51fairly rapidly
08:52based on the 1951
08:54Danish-U.S.
08:56Defense of Greenland Treaty.
08:57I'd like to ask you
08:58about Ukraine.
09:00Trump has been pushing
09:01for a very rapid deal
09:03to end Russia's war.
09:05It doesn't seem
09:06to be coming.
09:07Europeans have pledged
09:08to very specific
09:09security guarantees
09:11by now.
09:12Do you think Trump
09:13is willing to do the same?
09:15Well, Trump may be willing
09:16to give security guarantees,
09:18but since it's still
09:19not clear he would even
09:20uphold Article 5
09:21of the NATO treaty,
09:23words on a piece of paper
09:25are not the real answer here.
09:26The only way
09:28you can have
09:28a guarantee
09:30of Ukrainian security
09:31is if Russian troops
09:32are moving backward
09:33rather than moving forward.
09:36So I'm worried
09:37about the whole
09:38ceasefire approach.
09:39I'm afraid it may
09:39give Russia an advantage
09:41and that in Europe
09:43people think
09:44if we can get a ceasefire
09:45that's a real answer.
09:47It's not.
09:47It just gives Russia
09:48a pause
09:49to regroup,
09:50rebuild its army,
09:51refurbish its economy.
09:53Putin wants
09:53a Russian empire.
09:54He's told us this
09:55for 20 years
09:56and in that kind
09:57of nationalist thinking
09:58there's no Russian empire
10:00without the whole
10:00of Ukraine.
10:01That's what Putin wants.
10:03Do you think
10:03there's a risk here
10:04that Trump
10:04is losing patience
10:05and will sell out
10:06the Ukrainians?
10:07Well, I think
10:08he's losing patience
10:08because it's not
10:09getting him
10:10the Nobel Peace Prize
10:11that's really
10:11the end objective
10:13for him
10:13on almost everything
10:14we've been talking about.
10:16I don't know
10:17that it would necessarily
10:17mean he would sell out
10:19Ukraine.
10:19He might just withdraw
10:20from the issue
10:21because it's not
10:22making him a winner.
10:24And if
10:24the U.S.
10:27continued to supply
10:28intelligence to Ukraine,
10:30if we continued
10:30to sell weapons
10:32and ammunition
10:32to our European
10:33NATO allies
10:34who could pass it
10:35on to Ukraine,
10:36that I think
10:37might be sufficient
10:38to keep Ukraine going.
10:40That's not
10:41an ideal outcome
10:42from my point of view,
10:43but I think
10:44if we could get
10:45that minimum,
10:45then let Trump
10:46walk away.
10:47Final question,
10:48Mr. Bolton.
10:49You know,
10:49Trump promised
10:50to pursue
10:51an America first
10:53policy,
10:54a less interventionist
10:56approach.
10:56Some would say
10:57he's doing
10:57the complete opposite.
10:59How would you
11:00rate his foreign policy
11:03so far
11:03in his second term?
11:05From one,
11:05second term,
11:06excuse me,
11:07from one to ten,
11:08how would you grade it?
11:10Well,
11:10around a two or three,
11:11I think a lot's incomplete.
11:13One thing we haven't
11:13talked about
11:14is his tariff policy,
11:16trade issues,
11:17which I do think
11:18are important
11:19for national security.
11:20they've been
11:20a complete disaster
11:21and harmed
11:23the United States
11:24in many ways,
11:25not just economic,
11:26but in reputational
11:27and political terms
11:28as well.
11:29So I don't think
11:30Trump really understands
11:31what he's doing.
11:32He doesn't have
11:33a national security
11:34grand strategy.
11:36Everything is transactional,
11:38episodic,
11:39ad hoc,
11:40and that's why
11:40he can completely
11:41reverse what he said
11:42during the campaign
11:43and not even see
11:45that he's contradicting
11:46himself.
11:46I think he's causing
11:47himself political
11:48difficulties with
11:49his own base
11:50for what he's doing,
11:51but that's his problem.
11:53Mr. Bolton,
11:53thank you so much
11:54for your time.
11:55Well,
11:55thanks for having me.
11:55– Sous-titrage FR 2021
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