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00:00:00today from the U.S. Supreme Court. The crowd continues to grow on the steps of the Supreme Court
00:00:05right now. People passionate about this issue on both sides of what's legally happening in two
00:00:11states, Idaho and West Virginia. That case will come, I'm told, expeditiously now. So we may in
00:00:17the next few seconds move right into that. And we'll get into some of the highlights on
00:00:22Outnumbered in just a few seconds. One lingering question that popped, and I want to note this
00:00:27because it was kind of a moment. What happens if men of every ilk, they don't have to be men who
00:00:34identify as women. What happens if just men want to play in women's sports because they know they
00:00:40have an advantage? We'll get to Outnumbered now. A monumental day for the Supreme Court. Right now,
00:00:48justices are taking up two high stakes cases on state laws that fight for fairness in female sports.
00:00:55It will hold massive ramifications on laws in 29 states. The eventual ruling in this case can
00:01:02change the game for millions of female athletes all across the country. This is Outnumbered. I'm
00:01:07Emily Campagno here with my co-host, Harris Faulkner, and also joining us today, Martha McCallum, anchor
00:01:14and executive editor of The Story and co-anchor of Fox News election coverage. Kaylee McGee-White,
00:01:20Fox News contributor, and Paul Morrow, attorney, retired NYPD inspector, and host of the weekly
00:01:26rap sheet on Fox Nation. Now, the court has already heard one case out of two. First, Idaho,
00:01:33Little versus Hecox, and now West Virginia is next. Next, West Virginia versus BPJ. Now,
00:01:39that challenges the state's ban on biological boys in girls' sports at public, middle, and high
00:01:45schools. Little versus Hecox challenges Idaho's ban at the collegiate level. Idaho and West Virginia
00:01:51are among 29 states with laws that stop males from competing in women's sports in both public
00:01:58schools and college institutions. The Washington Post editorial board believes this is a closed case
00:02:04before it even begins. Citing this, quote, neither science nor the American public is on their side.
00:02:10They go on to argue the Supreme Court has the chance this week to save women's sports,
00:02:16allowing states to restore a level playing field for girls by excluding biological men and thereby
00:02:23correcting one of the worst excesses of America's cultural revolution. Women at the forefront of
00:02:29Save Women's Sports movement, including one who competed against the biological male in the Idaho case,
00:02:35joined Fox and Friends earlier this morning. Watch.
00:02:38This is an opportunity that the Supreme Court has to tell women that we matter, that our sports matter,
00:02:44and that this bill that we are advocating for is truth, and it respects women. It respects biology,
00:02:52and it respects fairness. It would preserve fairness in our sports, because when you don't do that,
00:02:58women's sports loses its integrity. A middle school male athlete displaced 423 girls
00:03:041,100 times and took 57 medals from them. So a loss here means that girls become spectators in their own
00:03:12sports, and that we lose the inherent differences that we should be celebrating between the sexes.
00:03:17Let's bring in Carrie Urbon, Fox News legal editor. Carrie, what was your takeaway this morning from
00:03:25the arguments that you heard from both sides and from the questions that the different justices raised?
00:03:30I think it all boiled down to one question that Justice Alito asked, and he said,
00:03:35how can we determine if there has been discrimination on the basis of sex
00:03:40if we don't even know what sex is? And cutting through all of the noise,
00:03:44that is the issue. You know, we can talk about suspect classes and what's equal protection under the law,
00:03:48but at the end of the day, we're talking about biological boys and men
00:03:53who are imagining themselves to be women and wanting to participate in women's sports and thereby
00:03:59displacing women and taking away scholarship opportunities and the like. It's kind of
00:04:05shocking, Emily, I think that we're even here at the Supreme Court having to discuss this and litigate
00:04:10this. But then again, we have Justice Kataji Brown Jackson who refused under, when she was under
00:04:17questioning from Senator Marsha Blackburn, we all remember this a couple of years ago,
00:04:20was she refused to identify what a woman is or define what a woman is. And it was she today who was
00:04:25really hammering the side of the female athletes and saying, well, why can't we make an exception
00:04:29for the transgender athletes? And, you know, it got me thinking, the fact that we're even
00:04:34considering changing sports on its face for all girls and all women on a case-by-case basis for
00:04:41someone who says they are a girl or a woman, you know what that really is at the end of the day?
00:04:46It's misogyny in policy because it's saying to the boys, it's saying to the men that your feelings
00:04:52and your desires trumps that of the girl athletes, no matter what. If the girl, the female athlete
00:04:57doesn't want to undress in front of a boy in front of a locker room, too bad, the feelings of the boys
00:05:02and the men matter. And so, you know, we can talk all day long about equal protection under the law,
00:05:09but let's not forget what's really at stake here. Carrie, something that struck me from the
00:05:13arguments by the attorney for the biological male athlete, Ms. Hartnett, seemed to me that she was
00:05:19focusing on a very narrow application, which was that the mitigation of what she called the hormonal
00:05:25advantage, that she claimed that sort of the states, these overbroad laws were accounting for
00:05:29an advantage that she says was mitigated by this particular athlete taking hormone therapy. So it
00:05:35seemed to me sort of ignoring the rest of the biological evidence. And it also seemed to me that
00:05:40it would have the tiniest, most narrow ruling. What did you think about that line of argument? And
00:05:45indeed, are these proceedings going to be much broader than that specific argument?
00:05:50Yeah, well, first of all, the science is unclear as to what, you know, matters more,
00:05:54the circulating testosterone, naturally occurring testosterone, suppression of testosterone.
00:05:59So that's a whole other conversation. But there are also other biological factors that come
00:06:03into play when boys and girls play sports, right? Muscle mass, height, things like that. And, you know,
00:06:10one of the things that ACL lawyers said, which just really took me by surprise, she said, well,
00:06:15this idea that transgender athletes beating girls, you know, is a thing, that's overblown.
00:06:19Overblown. You know, there is tremendous front of the court support brief support for the girls at
00:06:27the Supreme Court. You have Olympic gold medalists, you have former Olympic rowers, you have athletes who
00:06:33competed in NCAA competitions. And I read this earlier on Newsroom, this particular statistic, and it's
00:06:39actually what the Idaho solicitor general read in his rebuttal. And it was this. This was from the
00:06:45United Nations report. And as of August 2024, over 600 female athletes in more than 400 competitions
00:06:53worldwide have lost more than 890 medals in 29 different sports to males who identify as women.
00:07:00And I don't think that's overblown. Carrie, thank you so much. I know that we'll be talking
00:07:05to you throughout this hour, so please don't go far away. All right, we're going to bring the
00:07:10conversation back to the couch. Martha, I was struck as well by the quantity of questioning by
00:07:14the different justices. I'm not sure if I can remember, frankly, arguments where so many of them
00:07:20weighed in so many times. And they covered a lot of ground. They covered the type of scrutiny that
00:07:25this deserves. They covered how broadly this should be applied. But at its heart, it's about fairness
00:07:30in sports and protecting our biological young girls.
00:07:34Well, I was really happy because the things that I jotted down, Carrie Irvine just brought up.
00:07:40So then I feel like, oh, I'm so happy because the things that jumped out at me, she was amazing
00:07:45in that summation of what we heard and what was really the salient points here. And when I was listening
00:07:51to Justice Alito, who I think has been particularly strong today on this argument, when he asked
00:07:57Hartnett, the attorney who is representing the trans woman in this case, how do you decide,
00:08:07you know, do you accept the fact that schools have boys and girls sports? And the attorney said,
00:08:12yes, we do. And he said, well, how can you then, so what is the definition
00:08:16of boys and girls in that understanding? And she said, we won't define that. So I mean, I think it
00:08:26really, and he said, so how can you argue this if you're not willing to make any definition
00:08:30at all in this case? So I thought that was a really important point. And I also thought it was
00:08:36interesting that she got so bogged down, or maybe this is the crux of her argument in, well, if you
00:08:42mitigate your maleness, so to speak, and I may be getting this wrong because I'm not a doctor,
00:08:47but if you mitigate your maleness to a certain level, then you should be able to be part of it.
00:08:52I mean, can you imagine what, on a case-by-case basis, this is going to look like if every time
00:08:57a trans woman wants to play in a sport, we're going to be like, you know, test, are you under
00:09:02the level, are you over the level? Today you can play, today you can't play. Who decides and who pays for
00:09:06that? You're a good question. Well, this is part of the problem, is the left refuses to define the
00:09:12terms of the debate because they ultimately want to be the ones to define the legal parameters and
00:09:17also the way that we talk about this. That's the entire point of refusing to clearly define
00:09:22what is a woman, what is a man? How do we actually separate these into distinct legal categories?
00:09:28I want to get your attorney thoughts on here, because as Martha brought up that notion,
00:09:32that had an effect on the scrutiny levels that they were arguing about because of the burden,
00:09:37right? What burden would it be on the rights of these individuals, they argued. So let's listen
00:09:41to this exchange between Justice Clarence Thomas and Idaho Solicitor General moments ago on having
00:09:46no exceptions for banning men in girls' sports. Let's watch. Let's take, for example, an individual
00:09:52male who is not a good athlete, say a lousy tennis player, and does not make the women's and wants
00:10:01to try out for the women's tennis team. And he said, there is no way I'm better than the women's
00:10:07tennis players. How is that different from what you're being required to do here?
00:10:13It's not all different, Your Honor, and that's exactly what we're concerned about,
00:10:16that their arguments about needing to make exceptions from intermediate, from an otherwise
00:10:22valid classification for people for whom that classification doesn't make sense, those arguments
00:10:27don't limit themselves to people who identify as transgender. Many males could say, I can't really
00:10:33compete with the women's basketball team, and therefore I should be able to try out.
00:10:37All right, Paul, we're going to get your scrutiny thoughts in a moment. First,
00:10:40we're going to get Harris' reaction to that. So why that really stood out, and we were talking
00:10:43about those moments that kind of popped, why that stood out to me was that puts us right back in
00:10:48the category of defining men and women. So if you're going to let every male compete against every woman,
00:10:53why are you going to force anybody to get mitigation measures done, and to try to take
00:10:59down their testosterone levels, if you're just going to let everybody compete against women?
00:11:03And that's what this opens the door to. So I thought it was really interesting
00:11:06that Justice Thomas said, well, then you've got to figure out a way from the opposite side,
00:11:13fighting this case on behalf of a client who wants to play as a male and women's sports.
00:11:18You've got to figure out a way to make that so specifically special that other men can't jump
00:11:24in too. I thought it was fascinating. Yeah. Yeah, they're not going to manage that. So I actually
00:11:30have decided that I identify not only as a woman, but as about an 18-year-old woman. That way,
00:11:37I can play college sports and get paid for it. And under the structure that you're talking about,
00:11:44age is also one of the sort of semi-protected classes. I don't know what scrutiny they apply
00:11:49to it, but it's irrelevant. The bottom line is, if you can conjure this stuff in one category,
00:11:55you can conjure it in another. And if we don't know what a woman is, that means we don't know
00:12:00what a man is. Now, James Watson, discoverer of DNA, along with Frick, died recently. I guess he
00:12:07never existed because there must be no such thing as a Y chromosome. Because, of course, it's there.
00:12:12It's one of the deepest things that we've discovered in science. It's the blueprint for
00:12:16human beings. And it's how we've solved so many health problems and other things. So,
00:12:20of course, it exists. This is all a fantasy pantomime. And the Washington Post coming out
00:12:26against it. A lot of people say, well, you know, Washington Post is moderating. The Washington
00:12:29Post, understand what's going on here. Washington Post is trying to save the Democrats from themselves
00:12:34because they know this is a 70 to 80 percent loser across the country. And so, if they knock this
00:12:40thing out, then that whole crazy trans fantasy goes away. And they have a better shot at the
00:12:46midterms here. So, really, I mean, that's the real thing what's going on here. A lot of law,
00:12:50understand, a lot of law. We can get into scrutiny. We can look at the prior cases.
00:12:54A lot of law is really there to bring to human beings in this country, Americans,
00:13:00what they have a consensus should be the law. And then you find, they call it bootstrapping.
00:13:06You bootstrap your way into common sense. You can almost always find a theory or a case that's
00:13:10going to support you. This one is a blazing, just maniacal, galactic loser for the left.
00:13:19And they know it. But the ACLU and these other groups are incorrigible.
00:13:24The Washington Post is trying to save them against themselves. This will be a 6-3 decision.
00:13:28It should be a 9-0. You might get a 7-2, but I doubt it from the atmospherics.
00:13:32But this one is going to be a loser. It comes down to the broadness of the decision.
00:13:38And that comes down to Roberts. And I'm sorry I'm going to make a joke here. But you know what?
00:13:42That comes down to whether or not Roberts is transitioning himself. All right?
00:13:46Be a guy here, a broad decision that ends this, and let the country move on.
00:13:51And the good news is that this will be decided, hopefully once and for all,
00:13:55by the Supreme Court so that it will have this lasting effect.
00:13:58If they punt it to the states, you know, it's going to be another McGill. It'll go back and forth.
00:14:02And I just wish they had a nice, broad decision that ends this.
00:14:05So right now, it's West Virginia v. BPJ, and we will be bringing you updates as they arise.
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00:18:33Pope Leo is warning.
00:18:40Human rights and freedoms are under threat around the globe.
00:18:44And during his annual State of the World Address, the Pope said this.
00:18:46It is painful to see how, especially in the West, the space for genuine freedom of expression is rapidly shrinking.
00:18:53And at the same time, a new Orwellian-style language is developing, which, in an attempt to increasingly be inclusive, ends up excluding those who do not conform to the ideologies that are fueling it.
00:19:08The Pope also condemned jihadist violence against Christians worldwide, telling the Vatican diplomatic corps,
00:19:15I would especially call to mind the many victims of violence, including religiously motivated violence in Bangladesh, the Sahel region, and in Nigeria,
00:19:24as well as those of the serious terrorist attack last June on the parish of St. Elias in Damascus.
00:19:31Nor do I forget the victims of jihadist violence in Cabo Delgado, Mozambique.
00:19:36International observers are saying militant Islamic groups are brutally attacking Christians in Africa right now.
00:19:42Well, we know.
00:19:43We've been all over that story.
00:19:44And one is calling it a silent genocide.
00:19:47The word genocide can be loaded legally, internationally.
00:19:52It allows countries like the United States to take certain steps.
00:19:55But Nigerian pastors, including one that I interviewed during a panel at the United Nations recently,
00:20:01that's what they're calling it because of the numbers of the people who are being persecuted and killed.
00:20:06Yeah, I mean, I commend Pope Leo, obviously, for pointing to these places that are not in the headlines.
00:20:15You know, he's saying here there are problems going on in the world that most people are not recognizing.
00:20:22And one of them that has been this, you know, until a lot of recognition has been brought to it recently,
00:20:28and your interview with Nicki Minaj and all of that at the UN,
00:20:31until very recently, people denied that Christians were being slaughtered in these parts of the world.
00:20:39So I think that he is essentially saying that the Catholic Church is universal.
00:20:44It is pain and suffering that we want to make sure is recognized from the highest position as the Pope,
00:20:51and he has the power to draw attention to those areas and those oppressed,
00:20:55whether it's ideologically or in terms of violence.
00:20:59Yeah, it'll be interesting if he speaks up about Iran.
00:21:01And there are more than 600 people that we know of who have been executed in that country.
00:21:07Kayleigh.
00:21:08He correctly identifies the suppression of free speech and expression,
00:21:11although I wish he would be a little bit more specific about the states that he's referring to,
00:21:16because let's just call them out.
00:21:17It's the United Kingdom and it's the European Union.
00:21:19There was an article last year that found that U.K. law enforcement
00:21:23arrest about 12,000 people per year for highly offensive social media posts.
00:21:28And that's supposed to be a Western democracy?
00:21:30That's supposed to be a bastion of liberty?
00:21:33It's clearly not.
00:21:33And you know what's interesting is that these countries are also at risk of another problem
00:21:38that Pope Leo identified, which is jihadism, radical Islam,
00:21:42and the threat that that's now posing to the European Union and into the United Kingdom.
00:21:46And I find it interesting that the left remains largely silent on that takeover for the same reason
00:21:51that they remain largely silent about Iran.
00:21:53And it's because the Iranian people aren't just rebelling against a totalitarian regime right now.
00:21:59They're rebelling against an Islamic regime.
00:22:01That's an inconvenient fact for the left, because they've become unwitting allies with Islamists
00:22:07who share one common goal, which is the destruction of Western civilization.
00:22:11Well, and some of them live in Minnesota.
00:22:13And we knew that with those ISIS cases that were adjudicated a few years ago,
00:22:1712 of those suspects in the state of Minnesota having their ties to al-Shabaab,
00:22:22which again comes up in that Minnesota fraud scandal.
00:22:25Any money is going to that particular terror group.
00:22:28You know, Paul, when you hear the Pope, I often will wonder, in worlds where there are jihadists,
00:22:35do they listen to him?
00:22:36I mean, what kind of a voice does he have on that landscape?
00:22:40You know, he is, as they say in Islam, a person of the book, okay?
00:22:44The book, in this case being the Bible, people forget that Jesus Christ is a prophet in Islam.
00:22:49It's only when Islam gets badly perverted that you get the kind of stuff that he is talking about here.
00:22:55Look, more power to him.
00:22:56There's an old saying, well, let's recognize the Pope is the paradigm of virtue in the Catholic religion
00:23:02and for a lot of Christians.
00:23:05And, you know, religion is in many ways a pursuit of virtue.
00:23:08And there's an old saying that courage is the virtue that guarantees all others.
00:23:14Right?
00:23:15Or is necessary for all others.
00:23:17And to me, this is a fairly courageous moment.
00:23:20It harkens back to when Jean Paul came out against, in the Eastern Bloc, as a Pole, he was Polish,
00:23:26against the Soviet Union at the time.
00:23:29And it was an important aspect of the Berlin Wall ultimately coming down
00:23:32and Eastern Europe being freed from the yoke of the Soviets.
00:23:36And I feel like we're at a similar moment, especially since, as you guys invoke, Iran,
00:23:40which is, I think, right now among the front lines of this thing.
00:23:43So the Pope, I feel, has recognized the battle lines here and the vectors blowing through it
00:23:49and has inserted himself into history.
00:23:51And I admire that because this could go the wrong way for him.
00:23:54But I feel like he's on the right side of history here, and I hope it's recognized.
00:23:59You know, last year, Emily, some theological societies were popping with numbers on the growth,
00:24:05the huge expansion of Christianity, and the outnumbering of Christians now
00:24:10over Muslims and other faiths individually.
00:24:13So perhaps the Pope is in that moment as well.
00:24:16Yeah, I see it as you do.
00:24:18You know, Catholics represent estimates of over 1.4 billion people across this globe,
00:24:23and it's growing.
00:24:24It accounts for almost 20% of those with faith in the world.
00:24:28It's growing by at least 1% a year.
00:24:30Some call that modest.
00:24:31But the reality is that it is growing.
00:24:34And this person is the earthly father of the Catholic body.
00:24:38And so it's important that his first international trip was to the Middle East,
00:24:41the site of Christian historic Christian persecution, and he talked about it,
00:24:44that his first comments were about peace and specific citations of such,
00:24:49and then this, citing it by name.
00:24:52I think traditionally we've seen some figureheads that have remained outside the fray
00:24:56of earthly geopolitical matters, but the reality is that Pope Leo hasn't.
00:25:00And he is firmly, I think, taking a stance that those who are within the body see it as such.
00:25:06So, you know, those who are calling for more and more, of course, everyone entitled to their opinion,
00:25:11but this isn't a talking head governor.
00:25:14I mean, this is the father of religion here on earth.
00:25:18So what he is saying, believe me, carries a lot of weight.
00:25:21It's also, you're right, Kylie, this is a bank shot at the UK as well,
00:25:25because of the way things are going there, undeniably.
00:25:28So, anyway.
00:25:29Last thought?
00:25:31Well, I think you're right.
00:25:32I'm fascinated by what all of you are saying, and I think that Pope Leo, you know, he's such a young Pope, right?
00:25:38He has a long, God willing, a long stretch in front of him to have influence.
00:25:44And I think that at the heart of the decisions that are guiding is the difference between good and evil in the world.
00:25:51And non-discriminatory in terms of who, you know, who the faith supports on the side of good.
00:26:00And I just think about Iran, which you brought up, Paris, and the indiscriminate firing of automatic weapons in two crowds.
00:26:06Oh, I know.
00:26:07So that's an evil.
00:26:09Yeah.
00:26:09It is.
00:26:09All right.
00:26:10We'll move forward with this.
00:26:12Minnesota and Illinois are fighting back, so they say, slapping the Trump administration with lawsuits over the Immigration and Customs Enforcement or ICE deployments.
00:26:21Do those states have a legal leg to stand on?
00:26:25We'll get into it.
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00:30:13Another wild scene out of Minnesota.
00:30:43New video appears to show anti-ICE protesters throwing fireworks at federal agents in Minneapolis last night.
00:30:52Demonstrations in the twin cities are intensifying, with officials reporting dozens of arrests since Friday.
00:30:58The cities and state filed a lawsuit against the Trump administration yesterday,
00:31:02calling the recent surge of immigration agents a federal invasion.
00:31:07Shortly after, Chicago and Illinois announced they filed a similar suit.
00:31:11Paul Morrow, let's get your legal take on the lawsuits first.
00:31:16Okay, it seems to be grounded, first of all, in some federal overreach, but also the First Amendment.
00:31:20And they're going to send—I'm sure they're going to throw in some equal protection stuff,
00:31:24because every time it comes up, any of the so-called leaders in these places invokes racism.
00:31:28Okay, which is amazing when you consider that all the protesters tend to be not only white, but majority white women.
00:31:34All right?
00:31:35But that said, that's the basis of the lawsuit.
00:31:39The rejoinder is pretty obvious, which is you do your best business on Main Street.
00:31:45ICE is going to these places because that's where the people they've got to pick up are.
00:31:49And all I would add, to bring it down to street level, is the following.
00:31:53As ICE goes into these locations, one of the things they've learned, and I've heard them articulate that,
00:31:57and let's recognize, by the way, that they're hiring, I think, 5,000 to 10,000 new ICE agents under the big, beautiful bill.
00:32:03So they're going to have the bodies to do this.
00:32:05In the past, if you sent in 100 people to do the operation, now they're going to send 150, 200.
00:32:10Why?
00:32:10Because they're going to have arrest teams.
00:32:12So as they try to enforce and bring the people out, the worst of the worst, as we've seen some of the people that have been arrested in Minneapolis who were wanted for sex crimes, you know, child predation, et cetera,
00:32:24they're going to have dedicated arrest teams behind the front lines who are going to look at this, say, okay, that's the guy, he's shooting fireworks now at federal officers.
00:32:33That's an incendiary.
00:32:34That's five years in jail with a sentencing enhancement federally, because obviously Minneapolis PD is all on furlough.
00:32:40So, you go in, you take these guys, you need the bodies to do this, because it's chaos.
00:32:46And if you don't have dedicated teams, you lose track of who did what, the cases fall apart.
00:32:51NYPD learned this a long time ago.
00:32:52You need people who are dedicated.
00:32:54I grabbed this guy, I stayed with this guy, I put him through the system, the arrest sticks.
00:32:58Now, you went out there to cosplay as a protester when you were on study hall?
00:33:04Now you're looking at five years in federal jail.
00:33:07You've got a prison, you've got to pay for the lawyers, you have that on your record.
00:33:11That's a bigger hit, and that's the way this stops.
00:33:13Harris, we saw last year during the L.A. protests that those individuals, the cosplayers,
00:33:19throwing Molotov cocktails at law enforcement were slapped with 10-year federal charges for the destructive device that they're throwing.
00:33:26So, Paul's absolutely right.
00:33:27What we are seeing unfold before our eyes is not okay, and it is frightening for the safety of the officers.
00:33:34First of all, cosplay is so perfect, and I'm glad you said it again.
00:33:38That's what's going on.
00:33:39I mean, look, it would seem that there is no mission here.
00:33:42Just like what we saw on the university campuses, who's speaking up for the people in Iran?
00:33:48Who's even talking about the Palestinians anymore?
00:33:50I mean, all of that went away.
00:33:52So, it is cosplay, and they're out there right now becoming, you know, people who are obstructing justice among the crowd.
00:33:57They'll pay for that, however, legally, mightily, if they even get more than a slap on the hand in the state of Minnesota,
00:34:02because I'm getting the feeling that Governor Walz for as long as he sits in that seat,
00:34:06and some reports are it won't be much longer, and then you've got Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker,
00:34:11they want to be the flying ointment to kind of slow the government down.
00:34:14They can't stop the feds, but the feds go in.
00:34:17They do a two-tier job of, you know, isolating and extracting the worst of the worst,
00:34:23and then you've got that second flow, which you just described.
00:34:26I hadn't heard that.
00:34:27The arrest teams that will come in and begin to build the cases.
00:34:29So, you can slow down the process, but you can't stop it.
00:34:33So, yeah, they're just playing a role right now, and they're being tooled to death.
00:34:37I mean, they're just paid.
00:34:40They're incentivized online, more clicks, more love from the algorithms.
00:34:45I mean, think about it, people.
00:34:46This goes on your professional and your personal resume for the rest of your life.
00:34:50So, Martha, Paul, as we talked about the lawsuits that they have now filed against the federal government,
00:34:54he mentioned the First Amendment.
00:34:56So, Minneapolis and Minnesota are arguing that these are targeted operations against them.
00:35:02They say that the federal government, that President Trump, is targeting them for their rhetoric,
00:35:07that because they've stood up for Minnesotans and, you know, for some reason, I guess,
00:35:11calling ICE Gestapo is protected, but they feel that these operations are unlawful.
00:35:15So, they're asking for an injunction, saying to stop it right now, stop this full ICE operation,
00:35:21and then, number two, rule it completely unconstitutional, because, as they say,
00:35:25we don't need it any more than any other city, and yet, look, the feds are here in our backyard.
00:35:31Now, I'm not quite sure what the families of the victims of those horrific criminals that Paul
00:35:37mentioned, the sodomizers and the rapists and the homicidal maniacs that were extracted out of Minneapolis.
00:35:42I'm not sure what they would say to that argument by Walls and Frye.
00:35:46Well, you would have to compare whether there's equal treatment in other cities where you're not
00:35:51hearing those sorts of things and how those operations are going when they have cooperation
00:35:56from local law enforcement.
00:35:58It's a very different picture.
00:36:00So, you would have to prove that they're being treated differently than those places
00:36:03where the model is working a bit better.
00:36:06And it does remind me back to the George Floyd days when police activity was so suppressed
00:36:13in Minneapolis, where the police officers abandoned the third precinct in the middle of the night
00:36:20and drove away.
00:36:21The people who were hurt the most, and we went out there and talked to people on the ground there,
00:36:27and in neighborhoods where they were saying, we need police, we need the police.
00:36:32And they are not the characterization of the people that you said are protesting.
00:36:37These are people who felt that their streets were unsafe.
00:36:39They had drive-by shootings.
00:36:40They had more gang activity in some of these neighborhoods because the police were hanging back.
00:36:46And that is what makes it a very unsafe situation.
00:36:50And I'm also struck by, you know, you see protesters out on the streets in New York.
00:36:54The signs change like every three weeks, right?
00:36:57So now it's this poor woman who lost her life, Renee Goode.
00:37:02And you're so right.
00:37:04Where are the Palestinian signs?
00:37:05I guess they're in the storage closet.
00:37:07Well, they turned them over and wrote on the other side.
00:37:09Even if they did that much independently, I would be impressed.
00:37:13Here's your new sign, right?
00:37:14Yeah, it's unbelievable.
00:37:15They're printing the America out of Iran ones right now.
00:37:18You're right.
00:37:18And I look at it as, or a federal agent that maintained his life, thank God, in the face
00:37:25of what could have been imminent drift.
00:37:26Yeah.
00:37:27And to these lawsuits, there's no First Amendment right for states to opt out of federal immigration
00:37:31enforcement.
00:37:32That's not how it works.
00:37:33And, you know, unfortunately, this seems to be a case that the Supreme Court is going
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00:37:41You have the sanctuary states that are claiming they are somehow exempt from the rules of federal
00:37:44immigration enforcement.
00:37:46And then you have the federal government, which is trying to apply the rules that Congress
00:37:50has passed uniformly across all red and blue states.
00:37:54This is unsustainable.
00:37:55You can't have blue states continue to do this.
00:37:57And more to the point, you can't have the left believe that they can nullify the results
00:38:02of an election, a presidential election in which the mandate of the people was clear.
00:38:06They voted for stricter immigration enforcement.
00:38:09And right now, the left thinks that they can nullify that through continued violence against
00:38:13ICE and against Border Patrol and the other agencies that are specifically designed for
00:38:18preserving American sovereignty and identity.
00:38:20That's a huge problem.
00:38:21And it's going to be more than just a legal question.
00:38:23It's really a cultural one as well.
00:38:26Well, on to this fairness in female sports front and center at the Supreme Court today.
00:38:30What needs to be done to level the playing field?
00:38:33And did attorneys make the case?
00:38:35That's next.
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00:42:44These female athletes just need to work harder.
00:42:56And not blame others for their lack of success.
00:43:01So, as the captain,
00:43:03Sia is very much responsible for these boycotts,
00:43:06which would cost her team a playoff bid.
00:43:08I guess we'll see how Sia handles all that pressure tonight.
00:43:10I guess we'll see how Sia handles all that pressure tonight.
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00:43:28in those two states, Idaho and West Virginia,
00:43:30but broadly, perhaps even the United States.
00:43:33Today's two cases come out of those two states.
00:43:36The issue remains at large for a number of states, though, across America.
00:43:40Take a look at the big wall that we're showing you now.
00:43:43These are just some examples of how women continue
00:43:46to lose opportunities to men who identify as female
00:43:50in women's sports.
00:43:52I mean, I'm looking at that one in March 2025.
00:43:55A lot of these were very recent.
00:43:57Canada, male track athlete wins,
00:43:59girls meet by a staggering eight feet.
00:44:02I mean, Kaylee, when you look at this, May 2025,
00:44:07Washington male track athlete wins back-to-back female state titles.
00:44:12February 2024, New Hampshire male athlete wins two state championships
00:44:16in female categories.
00:44:18We're not shocked by that.
00:44:20Yeah, and yet the ACLU's lawyers would like us to believe
00:44:22that this isn't a problem and we should just forget about it.
00:44:25And they seem to be hiding behind the argument of hormonal levels
00:44:28in their arguments before the Supreme Court.
00:44:30But there was one sign from one of the activists
00:44:32who was out in front of the Supreme Court that I loved,
00:44:34and it said, female is not a hormonal level.
00:44:37And that really gets down to the heart of this case,
00:44:39which is, do we as women,
00:44:41with our innate and physical differences,
00:44:43do we have a right to specific
00:44:45and distinct legal protections or not?
00:44:48That's really the question.
00:44:49And the reason why it's so important
00:44:50that this is playing out in the athletic world
00:44:52is because it's impossible to deny the biological differences
00:44:55between the sexes and athletics.
00:44:58I love to use this example.
00:44:59My husband was a track athlete back in high school and college.
00:45:02By the time he was 18 years old,
00:45:04he had beat the world's women's record for the 400-meter sprint.
00:45:08You can't deny that.
00:45:09That's just basic biology,
00:45:10and that's what's playing out right here.
00:45:12Yeah, you know, so a couple of things with that.
00:45:14I was looking earlier.
00:45:15Do you remember when Charlie Barker testified?
00:45:18This was just last year.
00:45:19A lot happened last year,
00:45:20probably around the fact that
00:45:21President Trump was getting ready
00:45:23to sign that executive order, right?
00:45:25And so a lot was going on early in the year.
00:45:27Out of the 530,000-plus total NCAA competitors,
00:45:31collegiate athletics, levels one through three,
00:45:35as of late 2025,
00:45:37there were fewer than 10 transgender student athletes.
00:45:39Now, that's men and women identifying
00:45:41as something other than their cisgender.
00:45:43So all of them together.
00:45:45Emily, I think that speaks volumes
00:45:47about what we're really doing here.
00:45:48That's like 0.01% or maybe even less.
00:45:52When you look at that,
00:45:53are we going to usher in a time
00:45:56when something that small in number,
00:45:58and they argued this in the court today,
00:46:00what is, and you can explain it better,
00:46:02I'll let you take it away.
00:46:03No, and I was struck by the cases
00:46:06that especially attorney Hartnett,
00:46:08which was the one representing
00:46:08the biological male athlete,
00:46:10was citing and referencing
00:46:11as analogous somehow to this.
00:46:14And I understand in the way of groups
00:46:17and identities why it made sense,
00:46:20but it was sort of shocking to be like,
00:46:22no, actually, this is nothing like unmarried men
00:46:25who are the paternal father
00:46:28of a child resisting adoption.
00:46:29Yet, you know what I mean?
00:46:30Like, it was such a different basis of thinking
00:46:32because it seemed to me
00:46:33that there was a cavalier quality
00:46:35about what makes a boy a boy
00:46:37and what makes a girl a girl
00:46:38in the purpose of athletics here
00:46:40I'm talking about.
00:46:41So when you play that commercial
00:46:42for the company XXXY,
00:46:44and they said, you know,
00:46:45girls just need to work harder,
00:46:46it struck such a chord
00:46:47that these biological young women
00:46:49have been subjected to such bullying,
00:46:53including as alleged
00:46:54in the West Virginia case here,
00:46:56where they just need to somehow
00:46:57make up for it.
00:46:58And the testosterone levels,
00:47:00the amount that the attorney Hartnett
00:47:02sort of focused on that
00:47:03as if it mitigated,
00:47:04oh, but this particular male athlete,
00:47:06biological male athlete
00:47:08was on therapy, so it's fine.
00:47:10The whole point is it's not fine.
00:47:11And the body of science
00:47:12and the body of biology
00:47:14is so far beyond,
00:47:15and it's so far in excess
00:47:17of the chromosomal distinction
00:47:19that impacts us.
00:47:20And when you look at grown women
00:47:22or women who have undergone cancer
00:47:24and more,
00:47:24and maybe they've had double mastectomies
00:47:26and hysterectomies and oophorectomies,
00:47:28does that all of a sudden
00:47:29make them not a woman?
00:47:30No, the whole point
00:47:31is that they were born
00:47:32with that chromosome,
00:47:33and so they are that woman.
00:47:35And so, again,
00:47:35in the context of sports here,
00:47:37I find it so disheartening
00:47:39that the focus on the mitigation
00:47:40is at alleged heart of this
00:47:43when that's not at heart.
00:47:45What is at heart is fairness in sports,
00:47:47which means protecting
00:47:48biological young women.
00:47:49That is such a good point.
00:47:51And, you know,
00:47:51we have an aging society right now.
00:47:53So you've got a lot of women
00:47:54who are in their 70s,
00:47:55post-menopausal,
00:47:57they are where they are in life.
00:47:58They're still women.
00:47:59They're still grandmas.
00:48:00They're still moms.
00:48:01Maybe they didn't have kids.
00:48:02They're still women.
00:48:03I mean, are we just going
00:48:04to erase every...
00:48:05And by the way,
00:48:06that was the generation
00:48:07that fought for Title IX.
00:48:09I mean, what are we even doing right now?
00:48:10But what I was touching on
00:48:12that you hit on too, Emily,
00:48:13was the fact that
00:48:14there's such a small percentage.
00:48:15And part of the argument
00:48:16in the high court today, Kaylee,
00:48:18was that there has to be
00:48:20enough people to make a point.
00:48:23That was kind of underlying.
00:48:24So you heard Ketanji Brown-Jackson
00:48:26and others saying,
00:48:27well, what is that magic number
00:48:29to make the point
00:48:30that you can get to
00:48:31that says that that's the exception?
00:48:34And that's what they were
00:48:35even asking Hartnett
00:48:36because they know
00:48:36that's where the more conservatives
00:48:38will win on this issue.
00:48:40It's like, well,
00:48:41how many people do you need
00:48:42to make an argument?
00:48:43Is it, in this case,
00:48:4410 out of 530,000
00:48:46in the NCAA sports family?
00:48:48Or is it less than that?
00:48:49Is it more than that?
00:48:50Well, and it doesn't matter
00:48:51how many women have lost medals
00:48:54or competitions
00:48:55or scholarships to men.
00:48:56We know that the UN report
00:48:58estimated about 900 across the world.
00:49:00Right.
00:49:01But even if there was
00:49:01only one woman
00:49:02who lost that opportunity,
00:49:04it wouldn't make this
00:49:05any more right.
00:49:06It is still unjust.
00:49:07It is still unfair.
00:49:08And we should be fighting
00:49:09just as hard for the rights
00:49:10of that one single woman
00:49:12as we would for girls
00:49:13across the world.
00:49:14So would you say that too
00:49:15if you flip it
00:49:16and the other side's fighting
00:49:18for that one transgender athlete
00:49:19to be able to be in women's sports?
00:49:21What do you say?
00:49:22That their rights
00:49:23do not negate the rights of women.
00:49:25You don't get to invent
00:49:26a separate legal class
00:49:28on the basis of gender identity
00:49:30to override biological reality.
00:49:32And it's settled law
00:49:33or not with Title IX.
00:49:34I mean, where are we?
00:49:35Yeah, and you know
00:49:36what's amazing to me too
00:49:37just to sort of close the loop
00:49:39in a general sense, non-legal.
00:49:41Why sports?
00:49:42If the narrative we always hear
00:49:44is how difficult it is
00:49:45to transition
00:49:46and to live as a transitioned person,
00:49:49why must you insert yourself
00:49:52into an arena
00:49:53where you're going to have an advantage
00:49:55and cause controversy?
00:49:57To me, that's a tell
00:49:59that it's all performative.
00:50:00Just one quick thing.
00:50:01You know, if all other things
00:50:03were equal,
00:50:03I always try to put the shoe
00:50:05on the other foot as a test.
00:50:06If all other things were equal, right,
00:50:09women, you know,
00:50:10still were bearing children,
00:50:11all of the everything
00:50:12that you associate
00:50:13with women in general.
00:50:14But they were better at sports.
00:50:17And they tried to play
00:50:18in boys' sports and men's sports.
00:50:20Does anyone think
00:50:21that this would even be a debate?
00:50:23Oh, forget it.
00:50:23But we've seen it.
00:50:24Men would protect their sports.
00:50:26Yes.
00:50:26That's why Carrie Urban's point
00:50:28about the misogyny of this
00:50:30is not a word I use very often,
00:50:32but it's as clear as day.
00:50:34Yeah, and we've seen it too.
00:50:35We know that if men are getting
00:50:37concussions in the NFL
00:50:38and our skulls are made differently
00:50:40and they've got that whole frontal lobe
00:50:42and all that extra bone
00:50:44and everything else,
00:50:45can you imagine for women
00:50:46and the pelvic breaks
00:50:47that we would get
00:50:48the way they get hit?
00:50:49Look, I'm just talking real stuff here.
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00:54:55And ICE enforcement
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00:55:06We'll see you soon.
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01:00:52Top of the new hour here.
01:00:53You're looking live
01:00:53at Detroit right now.
01:00:54President Trump
01:00:55making a swing
01:00:55through the heart
01:00:56of America's auto industry
01:00:58set to pitch
01:00:58his economic message
01:01:00on the floor
01:01:00of the Ford factory
01:01:01in Detroit
01:01:03and deliver remarks
01:01:04at the Detroit Economic Club.
01:01:06That's right.
01:01:13I love that that.
01:01:14I don't know.
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01:01:15If I were paying
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