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The Traitors Uncloaked (2024) Season 3 Episode 5
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00:00companion podcast with me ed gamble you should know the drill by now spoiler alert if you haven't
00:05watched the latest episode of the traitors go on to iplayer and watch it immediately
00:09right now that's over with what on earth just happened has fiona made one enormous and very
00:16public blunder or can she turn this whole situation on rachel to help me break this
00:21all down i'll be joined by passionate celebrity faithful mark bonner iconic series three faithful
00:26fosier plus freshly murdered faithful maz and banished faithful amanda will be joining me
00:32to reflect on their time in the castle
00:34right let's take a moment to have a breath guys we need more than a moment that was absolutely insane
00:45yeah that is one of the wildest things i've ever seen on traitors certainly which is television
00:50maybe my first thoughts were um what's rachel doing when she started telling everybody i thought
00:56that's a bit soon right okay yeah maybe she should have cleared it with the rest with the other
01:01traitors yeah we're used to them going into the turret and having the chat yeah yeah so your your
01:07initial worry was all rachel's being a bit bold here by discussing what amanda told her because
01:12then fiona came in and absolutely torpedoed the whole situation i know i know but what i was going
01:16to say was i think that because because rachel had started feathering her faithful nest as it were you
01:21know that seemed to really get fiona's back up yeah it really did but i mean who would have thought
01:27that she you know she would have suddenly got you know all kind of bullshit and gone right
01:33kitchen no unbelievable yeah rachel's like a war strategist at this point she's moving all of her
01:39pawns she's like winston churchill in terms of the war room and then fiona comes along as attila the
01:44gun and throwing a grenade absolutely destroys the whole game it's nuts absolutely nuts so i believe
01:53that rachel is a traitor are you saying this because you don't want to get murdered tonight and
02:04you're trying to like spice up a little bit i believe rachel is a traitor and i also believe
02:10that amanda did not confide in rachel what's your take fozie do you think it was reckless what fiona
02:18yeah i think fiona's just went rogue yeah there's clearly a power struggle going on here as well
02:25yeah because they're both strong characters and fators and in the past we've seen even though
02:30they've been traitors unite but everybody seems to be playing their own game here well it certainly
02:36cover up some of your more passionate moments well it would yeah my god oh my god no one's going it
02:41makes bashing the table seem like child's play for god's sake no one's going oh mark's hit the table
02:46yeah that seems a bit out of character look at fiona
02:49um we should talk about the round table now because before all of this happened we had an extremely tense
02:57round table today you walked in and you said i'm really tired but i know who's more tired than me
03:05just you've just got to look at him reese what yes you did i'm just really sorry i did not say that
03:13who else was in the room who else was in the room amanda i'm just a bit confused because you were
03:17pointing the finger at me and then now you've just redirected to sam and now you've pointed it at reese
03:21that is an absolute line i've said it to people today i did not say look at reese
03:25oh to be fair to sam that's not what he said he said that you've got to look for the tiredest person
03:31because the traitor would have had to wait around until the end to kill the to the last person
03:35there and at that moment rachel said yeah you've got to look at who's taking extra coffee today while
03:40she was holding a mug yes yes you want to go rachel look at what you're holding yeah yeah you've
03:45really just got to look at who's necking coffee today sorry i'm tired it's always hiding in plain
03:52sight yeah you know totally it's good yeah you know look at look at alan and look at jonathan look
03:57at cat falling asleep you know you were always very vocal at the round tables fosier i think
04:02that's fair to say yeah if you had multiple suspicions like amanda clearly does how would you go about
04:07airing those would you go all in on all of them like amanda did no no you have to you have to you
04:12have to balance it out i think amanda messed up at that point yeah yeah you've got to be careful
04:18who you pick out and and make sure you've got your allies as well yeah um and balance it out in
04:25how much talking you do around the table and when just picking those right moments this all ended of
04:31course sorry for the flashbacks with a very exciting chest of chance we will we will dig into it more
04:38with amanda when she's here it's like buses isn't it you don't get any for four years and then
04:43suddenly there's two at once yeah you started all this at least claudia knew where to find it
04:48yeah i noticed she came back really yeah really quickly i know i remember where i put that oh yeah
04:54what what was it like watching that and having those memories awful it was awful yeah it was really
05:01feeling for reese though yes he's tough hasn't he poor kid and i don't see i don't understand where
05:07it's come from yeah really he's not it's just lots of little lots of little things have racked up i
05:12think and then also i feel like his reaction to being on suspicion has been very interesting because i
05:17i really feel for him he's very quiet he's very quiet but then also with things like he uh he
05:23took his own shield out yeah he shouldn't have done that he's like well everyone thinks it's me
05:27anyway yeah i just wanted to be in control of it he let fiona give away loads of skulls in the in
05:32the previous mission because he's like we're not getting it and everyone thinks it's me anyway
05:35only somebody who's confident would do that and they would suspect oh he's out of trade
05:38or he feels defeated yeah yeah he did look deflated in that last episode uh obviously him
05:44recounting the face-to-face murder over breakfast a lot of people were were picking him up on that
05:50what i like about this series actually is people are picking up on it straight away
05:54and they're not waiting until they're in the snooker room with somebody else saying do you know did you
05:58see that did you notice that they're going what do you mean by that which is quite good yeah it
06:03makes for quite a good breakfast i think any given moment when they're in the kitchen
06:07yeah and i've noticed they're not going into small groups they're not little cliques either
06:11yeah it's there might be 10 of them in the room just saying it out loud yeah they're just throwing
06:16all their theories out which is good because it means they're collectively coming up with the
06:20theory yeah it's almost time to bring in banished amanda and murdered maz but before we do
06:25here's the moment where they met immediately after leaving the game up in scotland and remember
06:30maz already knows who the traitors are after the face-to-face murder but amanda is still in the dark
06:35oh my god did you expect me no
06:43i really want to know what happened what the reaction was everyone was sad were they yeah
06:54because you're a lovely guy you're just fantastic so i'm going to tell you my secret
06:59so my secret is that i was a senior police officer in the metropolitan police
07:06well amanda i've also got a secret for you yeah i am a retired police officer no way
07:16that's fantastic are you yeah you are of course i knew that there was more to you you know now that
07:27you've told me it makes absolute sense i didn't even think about what you did i just thought
07:34i really like this guy you know so amanda obviously the next question would be what are your thoughts who
07:42the traitors are what suspicions you had i can't go there because i don't know i don't know i don't
07:50know anyone i don't know who anyone is but you must have had a feeling or an inkling jade was on my
07:55radar okay but for no reason she she was the first person i saw yeah yeah you know yeah it could have
08:02been anyone sat there you know she did a couple of odd things but then when you get to know the person
08:08hmm she's she seems quite quite shy yeah quite lovely yeah yeah you must be absolutely desperate
08:16to find out desperate who the traitors are i want to see how good they are so oh my god
08:25i'm gonna give you that oh my god this is so exciting oh
08:28i'm not surprised should i do the next one yeah next one
08:47ah the little minx fiona the little minx love that woman absolutely
08:58brilliant oh my god let's have a look at the last one
09:06oh no
09:11oh my god
09:14no way
09:19rachel
09:21well your best mate brilliant all i can say is i was saying earlier after i hope she wins
09:27do i heck
09:31and maz and amanda are with us now
09:35welcome welcome to both of you amanda let's talk about your reactions to to who the traitors are
09:41steven first you didn't you didn't seem massively surprised that steven's a traitor it's one thing
09:47knowing that you well you know having a strong suspicion that someone is a traitor it's another
09:52thing trying to convince everybody else of course yeah and and that's the key to the game if you put
09:57someone's name out there um one you're putting your name and you're putting your reputation on
10:02the chopping block you know if they're playing a good game and he did he did play a good game but he
10:06gave himself away a little bit what was it about steven that he just looks so nervous yeah yeah he was
10:13just nervous and you know he he went so red i think the pressure was getting to him at that point
10:21wasn't it i think he started overcompensating for because the way he was before he was he's a very confident guy yeah
10:31you know he dresses smart yeah i looked at him and i thought what a fit guy yeah you know um
10:37um you know what i mean yeah we know okay you know yeah yeah um really likable really a big character
10:48and he was doing really well in the sense that having that pressure of being a traitor and then
10:54keeping all these ties and relationships he's got low level kind of attention though i mean he's getting
11:00two or three votes every round table yeah up till now but you know i think after the explosion in the
11:06kitchen i think he'll be all right yeah stand back a little bit yeah maz you didn't seem surprised at
11:11all when you saw that he was a traitor when you're sat in that cage you were like yeah yeah i just
11:16definitely him i just had this feeling about him and i thought do you know what this guy's really
11:21confident really comfortable but then he tried to throw me under the bus um with the um the family
11:28tree thing yes and i thought hang on a minute my name's not been mentioned yeah up to now but then
11:35he's come up with this theory that maybe i was the last one to have been there in the hallway but
11:41then he even admitted that he went five minutes after you yeah but no one else picked up nobody
11:46picked it up and yeah and i thought what why has he done that maz when you found out who the traitors
11:52are in the face-to-face murder you obviously said steven i thought it might be you yeah but you said to
11:58was it to both fiona and rachel you've you've let you've let me down yeah so that was great
12:04yeah i was really disappointed
12:08i mean these were supposed to be my friends yeah i mean rachel told me that um she loved me
12:15yeah uh she told me that she knew that i was hundred percent yeah a faithful did
12:22yeah she absolutely knew all the faith yeah yeah and uh fiona i mean i was completely shocked as the
12:32secret traitor fiona had put you on the shortlist twice absolutely how does it feel seeing all that
12:38that back i really don't understand that woman
12:43fosia you were of course on the receiving end of a face-to-face murder how did it feel watching
12:48maz go through the same thing oh i did feel for you maz did you i did yeah but it's an epic moment
12:54take it with pride that you know you got to see the traitors face to face so amanda i loved your
13:01reaction to um to fiona can you just talk us through your your finding out she was a traitor
13:06how you reacted to that she's just like a a ball of energy you know it's cheeky cheeky minx naughty but
13:13nice naughty but yeah also ed was saying earlier on she's got this brilliant thing of kind of going
13:19oh i don't quite understand what what did he say i don't you know it's kind of like a bit ditzy and
13:25confused about stuff brilliant but actually she's you know plunging the knife into the hilt
13:32absolutely brilliant what about rachel i the moment in that clip there where you find out it's rachel
13:37and you can see yourself process all of that go i told her that i was i'm a detective i chose the
13:44traitor i know in a in a in a split second my head went you're gonna look really stupid oh my god
13:51oh she's my best friend she was my best friend in the castle and then i thought how can i get out
13:55of this well she's brilliant she fooled me what kind of possessed you to want to even share that
14:00with her though at that stage so it all started uh when the nine people got told they were up for
14:07murder yeah and i thought my odds are just going down and down and down and to be honest every day i
14:14was thinking why am i not being murdered okay because i would murder me definitely and i just wanted to
14:19sort of blurt it out and i and i know you could have blurted a theory out but not shed your job
14:26title yeah yeah but um i wanted to tell rachel and i just thought she could she can use it for good or
14:36evil can i just ask about your final round table about the honing in on jade but then turning to sam
14:42and then reese oh it just seemed to incriminate even further i was really felt for you then because
14:48it was like oh no so the domino was just falling i could feel i could feel them falling so it all
14:55sounded a bit odd and watching it yeah i mean just looks ridiculous i deserve to be banished
15:06okay totally totally because i just confuse the hell out of everybody yeah but i was
15:13you know a little it was a little bit rabbit in the headlights but it was also i've got all this
15:18information in my head that i want to get out to help yeah because i think i said it a few times
15:25i'm just i'm here to help but no one believed that did you no no no i got called an influencer which is
15:31one of the worst things you can be called yeah well yeah that's true that's true so obviously the
15:36round table ended in a chest of chance the second time in traitors uk history this has happened
15:43we're of course sat with the other i was number one the other casualty i know for chest of chance
15:48amanda talk us through how how you're feeling in the chest of chance moment i thought i've got
15:5450 i've got 50 50 you know but i i resigned myself to the fact that i might go so i was gearing
16:01myself up for you banished i definitely definitely was nervous and i think reese was doing the same
16:08thing he'd almost given up as well and it was weird from my perspective seeing that because
16:13reese was getting so much flack that he'd got to a stage where he was like deflated and yeah yeah
16:20just just just give it to me it's all right you know i can and then on the other hand there was you
16:26that were probably feeling the same or if not a bit more and and sensing reese's frustrations i just
16:35wanted to run around and give him a hug yeah now before there's a deadlock obviously there's a chance
16:40to plead for survival you'd get to say something mark obviously you had to go through all of that oh
16:45yes i thought you were gonna ask me to do it please do it now if you if you wish if you wish to continue
16:49being on this show you must be a really valuable member of the panel and i try my best i give a lot
17:00what's what's it like having having to do that and what what was it like watching
17:03amanda and reese have to do that to be honest that whole round table starting with alan
17:10going off on one about me you know when you get white noise in your brain and you can't it was just
17:15like a kind of yeah fight or flight i suppose yeah it was so yeah you're kind of totally thinking
17:20on your on your wits how can you think i'm a traitor how can you you know that's all that was going
17:26through my head i'm like i'm not my faith you know so that's why i got as as um you know animated as
17:33i did but i mean i i get you're far more used to dealing with stressful situations that i probably am
17:40on but i just i think i had a bit of an out-of-body experience yeah i just thought oh
17:47i'm done i'm done if i was in that situation and they said plead plead for your life at this point
17:54i'd throw my toys out of my pram you're like look you've all voted for me you don't even deserve me
18:01i'm not sure that would have worked i'm not i'm not i'm not sure ed i don't know after the round
18:08table things got things got very interesting as i'm sure you've both seen by this point
18:12yeah uh rachel revealed the information that you gave her to the group obviously what she didn't
18:18realize was what was going to happen immediately afterwards with fiona yeah um i mean i don't even
18:25can we watch it again i still can't wrap my head around what fiona did so fiona got really angry with
18:31rachel yeah decided that she was lying yeah she was shocked that you hadn't told her or that the
18:38fact that her family are involved in the police as well yeah did she share that with you she did
18:43she did actually but i think i was so engrossed in not being a police officer that it just there's a
18:50lot of moments for you do you have those moments where you think oh yeah i've got this i've got this
18:54i've got this these two this is going to come to oh i've forgotten yeah and it just goes and you just
19:00forget or you know you go on to something else because you're in fight or flight mode quite quite
19:04quite a bit aren't you i don't think any of us could have predicted fiona's next move
19:08maz what do we think of fiona's reaction and and do it do we think it's a good idea for for the show
19:14i think it's a fantastic we all agree with that we've never seen anything like it do you know i i i
19:22think she took it personally oh yeah i think she's thought how dare amanda tell rachel yeah and not me
19:34yeah because i think under all that show i think she has or she wants that control yeah and i think
19:44you letting rachel know took some control away from her yes and i think she she really took offense
19:54to that and that's why we see because she's completely she's marching isn't she yeah maz if
20:00you'd been in the kitchen when fiona came in what would your reaction have been i would have loved it
20:05i would absolutely loved it because i i wouldn't have expected that off fiona yeah didn't rachel deal
20:11with it so well oh yeah i think you have done this you you don't think i don't she spoke to me no
20:18no i don't i don't i think you have done this for your own benefit so you don't that you don't
20:24think that she sat me in there i told not for one minute okay well then i'm not continuing this
20:31conversation she was like what are you doing you could see her little face going yeah yeah sabotaging
20:40my you know my time and that's such a natural react even if she was faithful that would be the
20:45natural reaction yeah yeah i think stephen's the one who could have worked on his reaction a little
20:49bit yeah because he was like gags and then left the room yeah he went okay i've got to get out of
20:54here oh but amanda you know like gangsters have a code yeah yeah yeah yeah i know about that code
21:03you'd expect the traitors to have a little bit of loyalty and have a bit of a code but you know what go for
21:08it when there's five of you left yeah yeah but not at this stage mark what about you if you'd been
21:13in the kitchen when fiona stormed in how would you have reacted oh i i well exactly the same as
21:18mars i would absolutely lapped it up yeah yeah i mean in that kind of like bum squeak way yeah
21:25you're just like oh my god this is going off and i'm actually is there any you know all the snacks
21:30in the middle oh is there any popcorn that you could just grab yeah yeah yeah yeah sit back and
21:37watch it oh it's great great i just it's a shame that they left it so late in the day because you've
21:43got to go home yeah but if you know if you'd started that in the morning it could have raged
21:48all day well the faith will go home they're straight well what do we think is going to
21:54happen in this turret because we've seen them take the hoods back and they're obviously a full
21:59physical fight yeah i mean it's like cloaks off i said watch out well it's going to get filled up in a
22:07is there any possibility that they can come back from this no is there i think it feels like maybe
22:14rachel would not be mega angry at fiona she'll just be a bit baffled yeah so i think there may
22:19be some sort of getting to the bottom of why this has happened yeah it doesn't feel like they can come
22:24back from it and be a united traitor team does it well the thing is though they've got to because
22:28they're both traitors they've got to face each other in the turret yeah have a conversation about
22:34it but the next day yeah they've got to seemingly as faithful right yeah have another conversation or
22:41you know be with everybody else yeah there's there's going to be two levels of of you know
22:47um uh playing the field because now they can't have a discussion in the turret and decide they're
22:51going to try and rein it in and go right we need to be a team the next morning what's fiona going to
22:55do go she's not a traitor actually i've decided yeah but the other thing is it raises suspicion
23:01slightly on rachel where she hasn't had that attention yeah it's the attention isn't it isn't it
23:07yeah yeah and then hopefully steven withdraws to the background a little bit he had so much
23:11heat on him and now he can just let that for him isn't it now thank thank the lord yeah you
23:16know he can stop sweating now can't he
23:21well we're out of time here on bbc one but we'll keep chatting over on bbc sounds i'm going to get
23:26into the minds of maz and amanda as if they were traitors mark and fosier will be sharing what
23:30their post traitors life has been like and we'll dig some more into that player whatsapp group it's all in
23:35your bonus episode of uncloaked which you can hear right now just scan the qr code on the screen
23:39or search for us in the bbc sounds app i'll be back tomorrow night with guests including celebrity
23:44faithful charlotte church to see what the fallout is following fiona and rachel's revelations and i
23:49cannot wait big thanks to mark fosier amanda and maz for joining in the fun i've been ed gamble stay
23:55faithful and more straight after the traitors tomorrow at eight i spy black ops next on bbc one
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