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00:00companion podcast with me ed gamble you should know the drill by now spoiler alert if you haven't
00:05watched the latest episode of the traitors go on to iplayer and watch it immediately
00:09right now that's over with what on earth just happened has fiona made one enormous and very
00:16public blunder or can she turn this whole situation on rachel to help me break this
00:20all down i'll be joined by passionate celebrity faithful mark bonner iconic series three faithful
00:26fosier plus freshly murdered faithful maz and banished faithful amanda will be joining me
00:32to reflect on their time in the castle
00:33right let's take a moment to have a breath guys we need more than a moment that was absolutely insane
00:45yeah that is one of the wildest things i've ever seen on traitors certainly which is television maybe
00:50my first thoughts were um what's rachel doing when she started telling everybody i thought
00:56that's a bit soon right okay yeah maybe she should have cleared it with the rest with the other
01:01traitors yeah we're used to them going into the turret and having the chat yeah yeah so your your
01:07initial worry was oh rachel's being a bit bold here by discussing what amanda told her because then
01:12fiona came in and absolutely torpedoed the whole situation i know i know but what i was going to
01:16say was i think that because because rachel had started feathering her faithful nest as it were you
01:21know that seemed to really get fiona's back up yeah it really did but i mean who would have thought
01:27that she you know she would have suddenly got you know all kind of bullshit and gone right
01:33kitchen no unbelievable yeah rachel's like a war strategist at this point she's moving all of her
01:39pawns she's like winston churchill in terms of the war room and then fiona comes along as attila the hun
01:44and throwing a grenade absolutely destroys the whole game it's nuts absolutely nuts so i believe
01:53that rachel is a traitor are you saying this because you don't want to get murdered tonight
02:04and you're trying to like spice up a little bit i believe rachel is a traitor and i also believe
02:10that amanda did not confide in rachel what's your take fosie do you think it was reckless what fiona
02:18yeah i think fiona's just went rogue yeah there's clearly a power struggle going on here as well
02:25yeah because they're both strong characters and in the past we've seen even though they've been
02:30traitors unite but everybody seems to be playing their own game here well it certainly cover up some
02:37of your more passionate moments well it would yeah my god oh my god no one's going it makes bashing
02:42the table seem like child's play for god's sake no one's going oh mark's hit the table yeah that
02:47seems a bit out of character look at fiona um we should talk about the round table now because before
02:55all of this happened we had an extremely tense round table today you walked in and you said
03:02i'm really tired but i know who's more tired than me just you've just got to look at him
03:07reese what yes you did i'm just really sorry i did not say that who else was in the room who else
03:14was in the room amanda i'm just a bit confused because you were pointing the finger at me and
03:18then now you've just redirected to sam and now you've pointed it at reese that is an absolute line
03:22i've said it to people today i did not say look at reese oh to be fair to sam that's not what he said
03:28he said that you've got to look for the tiredest person because the traitor would have had to wait
03:32around until the end to kill the to the last person there and at that moment rachel said yeah
03:37you've got to look at who's taking extra coffee today while she was holding a mug yes yes you want
03:42to go rachel look at what you're holding yeah yeah yeah you've really just got to look at who's
03:47necking coffee today sorry i'm tired it's always hiding in plain sight yeah you know totally it's
03:54good yeah you know look at look at alan and look at jonathan look at cat falling asleep you know
03:59you were always very vocal at the round tables fozier i think that's fair to say
04:03yeah if you had multiple suspicions like amanda clearly does how would you go about
04:07airing those would you go all in on all of them like amanda did no no you have to you have to you
04:12have to balance it out i think amanda messed up at that point yeah yeah you've got to be careful
04:18who you pick out and and make sure you've got your allies as well yeah um and balance it out in
04:25how much talking you do round table and when just picking those right moments this all ended of course
04:31sorry for the flashbacks with a very exciting chest of chance we will we will dig into it more with
04:38amanda when she's here it's like buses isn't it you don't get any for four years and then suddenly
04:44those two at once yeah you started all this at least claudia knew where to find it yeah i noticed
04:50she came back really yeah really quickly i know i remember where i put that oh yeah just chance
04:55what what was it like watching that and having those memories awful it was awful yeah it was really
05:01feeling for reese though yes he's that tough hasn't he poor kid and i don't see i don't understand
05:07where it's come from yeah really and he's not it's just lots of little lots of little things have
05:11racked up i think and then also i feel like his reaction to being on suspicion has been very
05:16interesting because i i really feel for him he's very quiet he's very quiet but then also with things
05:22like he uh he took his own shield out yeah he shouldn't have done that he's like well everyone
05:26thinks it's me anyway yeah so i just wanted to be in control of it he let fiona give away loads of
05:31skulls in the in the previous mission because he's like we're not getting it and everyone thinks it's
05:35me anyway only somebody who's confident would do that and they would suspect oh he's out of trade
05:38or he feels defeated yeah yeah he did look deflated in that last episode uh obviously him
05:44recounting the face-to-face murder over breakfast a lot of people were were picking him up on that
05:50what i like about this series actually is people are picking up on it straight away
05:54and they're not waiting till they're in the snooker room with somebody else saying do you know did you
05:58see that did you notice that they're going what do you mean by that which is quite good
06:03yeah i think any given moment when they're in the kitchen yeah and i've noticed they're not going
06:09into small groups they're not little clicks either yeah it's there might be 10 of them in the room
06:13saying it out loud yeah they're just throwing all their theories out which is good because it means
06:18they're collectively coming up with the theory yeah it's almost time to bring in banished amanda and
06:24murdered maz but before we do here's the moment where they met immediately after leaving the game up in
06:29scotland and remember maz already knows who the traitors are after the face-to-face murder
06:33but amanda is still in the dark
06:35oh my god did you expect me no
06:43i really want to know what happened what the reaction was everyone was sad were they yeah
06:54because you're a lovely guy you're just fantastic so i'm going to tell you my secret
06:59so my secret is that i was a senior police officer in the metropolitan police
07:06well amanda i've also got a secret for you yeah i am a retired police officer
07:14no way
07:16that's fantastic are you yeah you are of course i am i knew that there was more to you you know
07:27now that you've told me it makes absolute sense i didn't even think about what you did i just
07:34thought i really like this guy you know so amanda obviously the next question would be
07:40what are your thoughts who the traitors are what suspicions you had i can't go there because
07:47i don't know i don't know i don't know anyone i don't know who anyone is but you must have had a
07:53feeling or an inkling jade was on my radar okay but for no reason she she was the first person i
08:00saw yeah yeah yeah you know yeah it could have been anyone sat there you know she did a couple of
08:06odd things but then when you get to know the person she's she seems quite quite shy yeah quite
08:13lovely yeah yeah you must be absolutely desperate to find out desperate who the traitors are i want
08:20to see how good they are so oh my god i'm gonna give you that oh my god this is so exciting oh
08:28steven oh i'm not surprised shall i do the next one yeah next one
08:44the little minx fiona the little minx love that woman absolutely brilliant oh my god let's have a
09:00look at the last one oh no oh my god
09:12no way
09:15rachel well your best mate brilliant all i can say is i was saying earlier after i hope she wins do i
09:28heck
09:28and maz and amanda are with us now
09:33welcome welcome to both of you amanda let's talk about your reactions to to who the traitors are
09:41steven first you didn't you didn't seem massively surprised that steven's a traitor it's one thing
09:46knowing that you well you know having a strong suspicion that someone is a traitor it's another
09:52thing trying to convince everybody else of course yeah and and that's the key to the game if you put
09:57someone's name out there um one you're putting your name and you're putting your reputation on the
10:03chopping block you know they're playing a good game and he did he did play a good game but he gave
10:07himself away a little bit what was it about steven that gave he just looked so nervous yeah yeah he
10:13was just nervous and you know he he went so red i think the pressure was getting to him at that point
10:21wasn't it i think he started overcompensating for because the way he was before he was he's a very
10:30confident guy yeah you know he dresses smart yeah i looked at him and i thought what a fit guy yeah
10:36you know um you know what i mean yeah yeah we know okay you know what i mean um really likable
10:46really a big character and he was doing really well in the sense that having that pressure of being
10:53a traitor and then keeping all these ties and relationships he's got low level kind of attention
10:59though i mean he's getting two or three votes every round table yeah up till now but you know
11:04i think after the explosion in the kitchen i think he'll be all right i think if he just he can stand
11:08back a little bit yeah maz you didn't seem surprised at all when you saw that he was a traitor when you're
11:13sat in that cage you were like yeah yeah it's definitely him i just had this feeling about him and i
11:19thought do you know what this guy's really confident really comfortable but then he tried to throw me
11:24under the bus um with the um the family tree thing yes and i thought hang on a minute my name's not
11:32been mentioned yeah up to now but then he's come up with this theory that maybe i was the last one
11:38to have uh been there in the hallway but then he even admitted that he went five minutes after you
11:44yeah but no one else picked up but nobody picked it up and yeah and i thought what why has he done
11:50that maz when you found out who the traitors are in the face-to-face murder you obviously said
11:55steven i thought it might be you yeah but you said to was it to both fiona and rachel you've you've let
12:00you've let me down yeah so that was great yeah i was really disappointed
12:05i mean these were supposed to be my friends yeah i mean rachel told me that um she loved me
12:15yeah uh she told me that she knew that i was 100 percent yeah a faithful well she did yeah she
12:24absolutely knew all the faithful yeah yeah and uh fiona i mean i was completely shocked as the secret
12:32traitor fiona had put you on the shortlist twice absolutely how does it feel seeing all that but
12:38i really don't understand that woman
12:40fosia you were of course on the receiving end of a face-to-face murder how did it feel watching
12:48maz go through the same thing oh i did feel for you maz did you i did yeah but it's an epic moment
12:54take it with pride that you know you got to see the traitors face to face so amanda i loved your
13:01reaction to um to fiona can you just talk us through your your finding out she was a traitor
13:06how you reacted to that she's just like a a ball of energy you know it's cheeky cheeky minx naughty
13:12but nice naughty but nice yeah also ed was saying earlier on she's got this brilliant thing of kind
13:19of going oh i don't quite understand what what did he say i don't you know it's kind of like a bit
13:24ditzy and confused about stuff brilliant but actually she's you know plunging the knife into
13:31the hilt absolutely brilliant what about rachel i the moment in that clip there where you find out
13:37it's rachel and you can see yourself process all of that go i told her that i was i'm a former
13:42detective i chose the traitor i know in a in a in a split second my head went you're gonna look
13:49really stupid oh my god she's my best friend she was my best friend in the castle and then i thought
13:55how can i get out of this well she's brilliant she fooled me what kind of possessed you to want to
14:00even share that with her though at that stage so it all started uh when the nine people got told
14:07they were up for murder yeah and i thought my odds are just going down and down and down and to be
14:13honest every day i was thinking why am i not being murdered oh because i would murder me
14:17definitely and i just wanted to sort of blurt it out and i and you could have blurted a theory out
14:24but not shared your job title yeah yeah but um i wanted to tell rachel and i just thought she could
14:34she can use it for good or evil can i just ask about your final round table about the honing in on jade
14:40but then turning to sam and then reese oh it just seemed to incriminate even further i was really
14:47felt for you then because it was like oh no so the domino was just falling i could feel i could feel
14:53them falling so it all sounded a bit odd and watching it yeah i mean just looks ridiculous
15:03i deserve to be banished okay totally totally because i just confuse the hell out of everybody
15:11yeah but i was you know a little it was a little bit rabbit in the headlights but it was also
15:16i've got all this information in my head that i want to get out to help yeah because i think i said
15:24it a few times i'm just i'm here to help but no one believed that didn't you no no no i got called
15:30an influencer which is one of the worst things you can be called well yeah that's true that's true
15:35so obviously the round table ended in a chest of chance the second time in traitors uk history this
15:42has happened we're of course sat with the other i was number one the other casualty i know for chest
15:47of chance um amanda talk us through how how you're feeling in the chest of chance moment i thought
15:53i've got 50 i've got 50 50 you know but i i resigned myself to the fact that i might go
16:00so i was gearing myself up for you banished i definitely definitely was nervous and i think
16:07reese was doing the same thing he'd almost given up as well and it was weird from my perspective
16:12seeing that because reese was getting so much flack that he'd got to a stage where he was like
16:18deflated and yeah yeah just just just give it to me it's all right you know i can and then on the
16:24other hand there was you that were probably feeling the same or if not a bit more and and
16:32sensing reese's frustrations i just wanted to run around and give him a hug yeah now before there's
16:39a deadlock obviously there's a chance to plead for survival you'd get to say something mark obviously
16:44you had to go through all of that oh yes i thought you were gonna ask me to do it please do it now if you
16:48if you wish if you wish to continue being on this show you must please i think a really valuable
16:53member of the panel and i try my best i give a lot
16:57what's what's it like having having to do that and what was it like watching
17:03amanda and reese have to do that to be honest that whole round table starting with alan
17:09going off on one about me you know when you get white noise in your brain and you can't it was just
17:15like a kind of yeah fight or flight i suppose yeah it was so yeah you're kind of totally thinking
17:20on your on your wits how can you think i'm a traitor how can you think you know that's all that was going
17:26through my head i'm like i'm not my faith you know so that's why i got as as um you know animated
17:32as i did but i mean i i get you're far more used to dealing with stressful situations than i probably
17:40i just i think i had a bit of an out-of-body experience yeah i just thought oh i'm done i'm
17:48done if i was in that situation and they said plead plead for your life at this point i'd throw my toys
17:55out my pram you're like look you've all voted for me you don't even deserve me
17:59i'm not sure that would have worked i'm not i'm not i'm not sure ed i don't know after the round
18:08table things got things got very interesting as i'm sure you've both seen by this point
18:12yeah uh rachel revealed the information that you gave her to the group obviously what she didn't
18:18realize was what was going to happen immediately afterwards with fiona yeah um i mean i don't even
18:25can we watch it again i still can't wrap my head around what fiona did so fiona got really angry
18:31with rachel yeah decided that she was lying yeah she was shocked that you hadn't told her
18:36yeah or that the fact that her family are involved in the police as well yeah did she share that with
18:42you she did she did actually but i think i was so engrossed in not being a police officer
18:48that it just there's a lot of moments for you do you have those moments where
18:52you think oh yeah i've got this i've got this i've got this these two this is going to come to
18:57oh i've forgotten yeah and it just goes and you just forget or you know you go on to something
19:02else because you're in fight or flight mode quite quite quite a bit aren't you i don't think any of
19:06us could have predicted fiona's next move maz what do we think of fiona's reaction and and do it do
19:11we think it's a good idea for for the show i think it's a fantastic yeah yeah yeah the show we all
19:17agree with that we've never seen anything like it do you know i i i think she took it personally
19:24oh yeah i think she's thought how dare amanda tell rachel yeah and not me yeah because i think
19:35under all that show i think she has or she wants that control yeah and i think you letting rachel
19:47know took some control away from her yes and i think she she really took offense to that and
19:54that's why we see because she's completely she's marching isn't she yeah maz if you'd been in the
20:01kitchen when fiona came in what would your reaction have been i would have loved it i would absolutely
20:06loved it because i i wouldn't have expected that off fiona yeah didn't rachel deal with it so well oh
20:12yeah i think you have done this you you don't think that she spoke to me no no i don't i don't
20:20i think you have done this for your own benefit so you don't that you don't think that she sat me in
20:26there and told not for one minute okay well then i'm not continuing this conversation
20:31she was like what are you doing you could see a little face going yeah what are you doing yeah
20:39sabotaging my you know my time but that's such a natural react even if she was faithful that would
20:45be the natural reaction yeah i think stephen's the one who could have worked in his reaction a
20:49little bit yeah because he was like gags and then left the room yeah he went okay he's got to get out
20:54of here oh but amanda you know like gangsters have a code yeah yeah yeah yeah i know about that code
21:02you'd expect the traitors to have a little bit of loyalty and have a bit of a code but you know what
21:08go for it when there's five of you left yeah yeah but not at this stage mark what about you if
21:13you'd been in the kitchen when fiona stormed in how would you have reacted oh i i well exactly the
21:18same as mars i would have absolutely lapped it up yeah yeah i mean in that kind of like
21:22bum squeak way yeah you're just like oh my god this is going off and i'm actually here i'm just
21:28is there any you know all the snacks in the middle oh is there any popcorn that you could just grab
21:33sit back and watch it oh it's great great i just it's a shame that they left it so late in the day
21:42because you've got to go home yeah but if you know if you'd started that in the morning it could
21:47have raged all day yeah yeah brilliant well the faithful the faithful go home they're straight
21:52into the turret what do we think is going to happen in this turret because we've seen them
21:56take the hoods back and they're obviously a full physical fight yeah i mean it's like cloaks off i
22:02said watch out well it's going to get filled up in a minute
22:04is there any possibility that they can come back from this no is there i think it feels like maybe
22:14rachel would not be mega angry at fiona she'll just be a bit baffled yeah so i think there may be
22:20some sort of getting to the bottom of why this has happened yeah it doesn't feel like they can
22:24come back from it and be a united traitor team does it no the thing is though they've got to because
22:28they're both traitors they've got to face each other in the turret yeah have a conversation about
22:34it but the next day yeah they've got to seemingly as faithful right yeah have another conversation or
22:41you know be with everybody else yeah there's there's going to be two levels of of you know um
22:47playing the field because now they can't have a discussion in the turret and decide they're going
22:51to try and rein it in and go right we need to be a team the next morning what's fiona going to do go
22:56she's not a traitor actually i've decided yeah but the other thing is it raises suspicion
23:00slightly on rachel where she hasn't had that attention yeah it's the attention isn't it isn't it yeah and
23:07then hopefully steven withdraws to the background a little bit he had so much heat on him and now he
23:11can just let that play out for him isn't it now thank thank the lord yeah you know he can start
23:16sweating now can't he
23:18well we're out of time here on bbc one but we'll keep chatting over on bbc sounds i'm going to get
23:26into the minds of maz and amanda as if they were traitors mark and fosier will be sharing what their
23:30post traitors life has been like and we'll dig some more into that player whatsapp group it's all in
23:35your bonus episode of uncloaked which you can hear right now just scan the qr code on the screen or
23:40search for us in the bbc sounds app i'll be back tomorrow night with guests including celebrity
23:44faithful charlotte church to see what the fallout is following fiona and rachel's revelations
23:49and i cannot wait big thanks to mark fosier amanda and maz for joining in the fun
23:54i've been ed gamble stay faithful
23:56and more straight after the traitors tomorrow at eight
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