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00:00companion podcast with me, Ed Gamble.
00:02You should know the drill by now.
00:04Spoiler alert, if you haven't watched the latest
00:06episode of The Traitors, go on to iPlayer
00:08and watch it immediately.
00:10Right, now that's over with.
00:12What on earth just happened?
00:14Has Fiona made one enormous
00:15and very public blunder, or can she
00:18turn this whole situation on Rachel?
00:20To help me break this all down, I'll be
00:21joined by passionate celebrity
00:23faithful Mark Bonner, iconic
00:25series 3 faithful Fosier,
00:27plus freshly murdered faithful
00:29Maz and banished faithful Amanda will be
00:31joining me to reflect on their time in the
00:33castle.
00:38Right, let's take a moment to have a breath, guys.
00:41We need more than a moment.
00:43That was absolutely insane.
00:45That is one of the wildest things I've
00:47ever seen on Traitors, certainly,
00:49which is television, maybe.
00:50My first thoughts were
00:52what's Rachel doing? When she started
00:55telling everybody, I thought, hmm, that's a bit soon.
00:57Right, okay, yeah. Maybe she should have
00:59cleared it with the rest,
01:01with the other Traitors. Yeah, we're used to them
01:03going into the turret and having the chat.
01:05Yeah, yeah. So your initial
01:07worry was, oh, Rachel's being a bit bold here
01:09by discussing what Amanda told her,
01:11because then Fiona came in and absolutely
01:13torpedoed the whole situation. Well, she did.
01:14I know, I know, but what I was going to say was,
01:17I think that because Rachel had
01:19started feathering her faithfulness,
01:21as it were, you know, that seemed to
01:23really get Fiona's back up.
01:24Yeah, it really did.
01:26But, I mean, who would have thought that she,
01:28you know, she would have suddenly got,
01:31you know, all kind of bullshy and gone,
01:32right, get you, no!
01:34Unbelievable. Yeah.
01:36Rachel's like a war strategist at this point.
01:38She's moving all of her pawns.
01:39She's like Winston Churchill
01:41in terms of the war room.
01:42And then Fiona comes along as Attila the Hun.
01:45Throwing her grenade down.
01:46Absolutely destroys the whole game.
01:49It's nuts. Absolutely nuts.
01:51So, I believe that Rachel is a traitor.
01:57Ooh!
02:01Are you saying this because you don't want
02:03to get murdered tonight and you're trying
02:04to, like, spice up a little bit?
02:07I believe Rachel is a traitor.
02:09And I also believe that Amanda
02:11did not confide in Rachel.
02:16What's your take, Fosie?
02:17Do you think it was reckless what Fiona did?
02:19Yeah, I think Fiona's just went rogue.
02:21Yeah.
02:22There's clearly a power struggle
02:23going on here as well.
02:25Yeah.
02:25Because they're both strong characters
02:27as traitors.
02:28And in the past we've seen,
02:30even though they've been traitors,
02:31unite.
02:32Mm-hmm.
02:32But everybody seems to be playing
02:34their own game here.
02:36Well, it'd certainly cover up
02:36some of your more passionate moments.
02:38Well, it would, yeah!
02:39My God!
02:40My God!
02:41It makes bashing the table
02:42seem like child's play, for God's sake.
02:45No one's going, oh, Mark's hit the table.
02:46Yeah.
02:47That seems a bit out of character.
02:48Look at Fiora!
02:52We should talk about the round table now
02:54because before all of this happened
02:56we had an extremely tense round table.
02:59Today, you walked in
03:01and you said,
03:02I'm really tired
03:03but I know who's more tired than me.
03:06You've just got to look at him.
03:08Rhys.
03:10What?
03:11Yes, you did.
03:12I'm just really sorry.
03:12I did not say that at all.
03:13Who else was in the room?
03:13Who else was in the room?
03:15Amanda, I'm just a bit confused
03:16because you were pointing the finger at me
03:17and then now you've just redirected to Sam
03:19and now you've pointed it at Rhys.
03:21That is an absolute lie
03:22and I've said it to people today.
03:23I did not say,
03:24look at Rhys.
03:26Oh, God.
03:26To be fair to Sam,
03:27that's not what he said.
03:29He said that you've got to look
03:30for the tiredest person
03:31because the traitor would have had to wait around
03:32until the end to kill the,
03:34to the last person there.
03:35And at that moment,
03:37Rachel said,
03:37yeah, you've got to look
03:38at who's taking extra coffee today
03:39while she was holding a mug.
03:41Yes.
03:42Yes.
03:42Do you want to go,
03:43Rachel, look at what you're holding
03:44before you say,
03:45yeah, you've really just got to look
03:47at who's necking coffee today.
03:48Glug, glug, glug, glug, glug, glug.
03:49Sorry, I'm tired.
03:51It's always hiding in plain sight.
03:53Yeah, totally.
03:54It's good.
03:54Yeah.
03:54You know, look at Alan
03:56and look at Jonathan,
03:57look at Kat falling asleep, you know.
03:59You were always very vocal
04:00at the round tables, Fosier.
04:02I think that's fair to say.
04:03Yeah.
04:03If you had multiple suspicions
04:05like Amanda clearly does,
04:06how would you go about airing those?
04:08Would you go all in on all of them
04:09like Amanda did?
04:10No.
04:11No, you have to balance it out.
04:13I think Amanda messed up at that point.
04:16Yeah.
04:17Yeah, you've got to be careful
04:18who you pick out
04:20and make sure you've got your allies as well.
04:22Yeah.
04:23And balance it out
04:24in how much talking you do
04:26round the table and when.
04:28Just picking those right moments.
04:30This all ended, of course.
04:32Sorry for the flashbacks, Marn.
04:33Please.
04:33With a very exciting chest of chance.
04:36We will dig into it more
04:38with Amanda when she's here.
04:39It's like buses, isn't it?
04:40You don't get any
04:41for four years
04:43and then suddenly there's two at once.
04:45Yeah, you started all this.
04:46At least Claudia knew where to find it.
04:48Fine.
04:49Yeah.
04:50I noticed she came back really quickly.
04:51Yeah, really quickly.
04:52I remember where I put that.
04:54Oh, yeah.
04:54Chest of chance.
04:55What was it like watching that
04:57and having those memories
04:58falling back, man?
04:59It was awful.
05:00Yeah, it was good.
05:01What was really feeling for Rhys, though?
05:02Yes.
05:03He's actually tough, hasn't he?
05:04Yes, man.
05:04Poor kid.
05:05And I don't understand where it's come from, really.
05:09He's not.
05:09It's just lots of little things
05:11have racked up, I think.
05:12And then also,
05:13I feel like his reaction
05:15to being on suspicion
05:16has been very interesting
05:16because I really feel for him.
05:18He's very quiet.
05:19He's very quiet,
05:20but then also with things like
05:22he took his own shield out.
05:24Yeah, he shouldn't have done that.
05:25He's like,
05:26well, everyone thinks it's me anyway.
05:27Yeah.
05:27So I just wanted to be in control of it.
05:29He let Fiona give away
05:30loads of skulls
05:31in the previous mission
05:33because he's like,
05:33we're not getting it
05:34and everyone thinks it's me anyway.
05:35Only somebody who's confident
05:36would do that
05:37and they would suspect,
05:38oh, he's out of trade
05:38and we're doing that.
05:39Or he feels defeated.
05:40Or just deflated.
05:40He did look deflated
05:42in that last episode.
05:44Obviously,
05:44him recounting
05:45the face-to-face murder
05:46over breakfast.
05:48A lot of people
05:48were picking him up on that.
05:50What I like about this series,
05:51actually,
05:52is people are picking up
05:53on it straight away
05:54and they're not waiting
05:55until they're in the snooker room
05:56with somebody else saying,
05:58did you see that?
05:59Did you notice that?
05:59They're going,
06:00what do you mean by that?
06:02Which is quite good.
06:03It makes for quite a good.
06:04Breakfast first.
06:05I think any given moment
06:06when they're in the kitchen
06:07and I've noticed
06:08they're not going into small groups.
06:10They're not little cliques either.
06:12There might be ten of them
06:13in the room
06:13and they're just saying it out loud.
06:15They're just throwing
06:16all their theories out,
06:17which is good
06:17because it means
06:18they're collectively
06:19coming up with the theory.
06:21It's almost time
06:22to bring in
06:23Banished Amanda
06:23and murdered Maz.
06:24But before we do,
06:26here's the moment
06:26where they met
06:27immediately after
06:27leaving the game
06:28up in Scotland.
06:29And remember,
06:30Maz already knows
06:31who the traitors are
06:32after the face-to-face murder,
06:33but Amanda
06:34is still in the dark.
06:39Oh my God.
06:41Did you expect me?
06:42No.
06:43No.
06:43I really want to know
06:48what happened,
06:50what the reaction was.
06:52Everyone was sad.
06:53Were they?
06:54Yeah.
06:55Because you're a lovely guy.
06:56You're just fantastic.
06:58So I'm going to tell you
06:58my secret.
07:00So my secret is
07:01that I was a senior
07:03police officer
07:04in the Metropolitan Police.
07:06Well, Amanda,
07:08I've also got a secret
07:09for you.
07:10Yeah?
07:11I am a retired
07:13police officer.
07:14No way!
07:18That's fantastic!
07:20Are you?
07:22Yeah, you are.
07:23Of course, Mom.
07:23I knew that
07:24there was
07:25more to you.
07:27You know,
07:27now that you've told me,
07:29it makes absolute sense.
07:31I didn't even think
07:32about what you did.
07:34I just thought,
07:35I really like this guy.
07:37You know?
07:37So, Amanda,
07:38obviously,
07:38the next question
07:39would be
07:40what are your thoughts,
07:42who the traitors are,
07:43what suspicions you had.
07:45I can't go there
07:46because
07:47I don't know.
07:49I don't know anyone.
07:51I don't know who anyone is.
07:52But you must have
07:52had a feeling
07:53or an inkling.
07:54Jade was on my radar.
07:56Okay.
07:56But for no reason.
07:58She was the first person
08:00I saw.
08:00Yeah, yeah, yeah.
08:01You know?
08:02Yeah.
08:02It could have been
08:03anyone sat there,
08:04you know?
08:04She did a couple
08:06of odd things.
08:06But then when you get
08:07to know the person,
08:08she seems quite shy.
08:12Yeah, quite lovely.
08:13Yeah.
08:14Yeah.
08:14You must be
08:15absolutely desperate
08:16to find out
08:17who the traitors are.
08:19I want to see
08:20how good they are.
08:21sort of.
08:23Oh, my God.
08:25I'm going to give you that.
08:26Oh, my God.
08:27This is so exciting.
08:28Oh.
08:36Stephen.
08:38Oh.
08:40I'm not surprised.
08:42Shall I do the next one?
08:43Yeah.
08:44Next one.
08:48The Little Minx.
08:52Fiona.
08:54The Little Minx.
08:56Love that woman.
08:58Absolutely brilliant.
08:59Oh, my God.
08:59Let's have a look
09:00at the last one.
09:00Oh, my God.
09:08Oh, my God.
09:14No way.
09:19Rachel.
09:19Well.
09:22Your best mate.
09:23Brilliant.
09:24All I can say is
09:25I was saying earlier
09:26I hope she wins.
09:28Do I, heck?
09:31And Maz and Amanda
09:32are with us now.
09:35Welcome.
09:36Welcome to both of you.
09:37Thank you, Sam.
09:38Amanda, let's talk about
09:38your reactions
09:39to who the traitors are.
09:41Stephen first.
09:42You didn't seem massively surprised
09:44that Stephen's a traitor.
09:45It's one thing
09:46knowing that you...
09:48Well,
09:49you know,
09:49having a strong suspicion
09:50that someone is a traitor.
09:51It's another thing
09:52trying to convince everybody else.
09:53Of course, yeah.
09:54And that's the key
09:55to the game.
09:57If you put someone's name
09:58out there,
09:59one, you're putting your name
10:01and you're putting your reputation
10:02on the chopping block,
10:03you know,
10:04if they're playing a good game,
10:05and he did play a good game,
10:06but he gave himself away
10:07a little bit.
10:08What was it about Stephen
10:09that gave himself away?
10:10He just looked so nervous.
10:12Yeah.
10:12Yeah.
10:13He was just nervous.
10:14And, you know,
10:16he went so red.
10:18I think the pressure
10:19was getting to him
10:20at that point,
10:21wasn't it?
10:22I think he started
10:23overcompensating for
10:25because the way
10:28he was before,
10:29he was...
10:29He's a very confident guy.
10:31Yeah.
10:31You know,
10:32he dresses smart.
10:33Yeah.
10:33I looked at him
10:34and I thought,
10:35what a fit guy.
10:36Yeah.
10:36You know.
10:39You know what I mean.
10:40Yeah.
10:41Yeah, we know, okay.
10:42You know what I mean.
10:43Yeah, yeah, yeah.
10:45Really likeable,
10:46really a big character.
10:48Yeah.
10:48And he was doing really well
10:50in the sense that
10:51having that pressure
10:52of being a traitor
10:53and then keeping
10:54all these ties
10:55and relationships.
10:56He's got low-level
10:58kind of attention, though.
10:59I mean,
11:00he's getting two or three votes
11:01every round table
11:02up till now.
11:03But, you know,
11:04I think after the explosion
11:05in the kitchen,
11:06I think he'll be all right
11:07for a while.
11:07He can sort of stand back
11:09a little bit.
11:10Maz, you didn't seem
11:10surprised at all
11:11when you saw
11:12that he was a traitor.
11:13When you're sat in that cage,
11:14you were like,
11:14yeah.
11:15Yeah, I just had this feeling
11:18about him
11:19and I thought,
11:19do you know what?
11:20This guy's really confident,
11:22really comfortable.
11:23But then he tried
11:24to throw me under the bus
11:25with the family tree thing.
11:29Yes.
11:29And I thought,
11:30hang on a minute,
11:31my name's not been mentioned
11:33up to now.
11:34But then he's come up
11:35with this theory
11:36that maybe I was
11:38the last one
11:39to have been there
11:40in the hallway.
11:41But then he even admitted
11:42that he went five minutes
11:44after you.
11:44Yeah.
11:45But no one else
11:45picked up on that.
11:46But nobody picked it up.
11:47Yeah.
11:47And I thought,
11:49why has he done that?
11:51Maz, when you found out
11:52who the traitors are
11:53in the face-to-face murder,
11:54you obviously said,
11:55Stephen,
11:56I thought it might be you.
11:57Yeah.
11:57But you said to,
11:58was it to both Fiona
11:59and Rachel,
12:00you've let me down?
12:02Yeah.
12:02Which I thought was great.
12:04Yeah, I was really disappointed.
12:06I mean,
12:08these were supposed
12:09to be my friends.
12:11I mean,
12:12Rachel told me
12:13that she loved me.
12:15Yeah.
12:16She told me that
12:18she knew
12:19that I was
12:20100%
12:21a faithful.
12:22Well, she did.
12:23Yeah.
12:23She absolutely knew
12:24all the faithfuls.
12:25Yeah.
12:26And Fiona,
12:28I mean,
12:29I was completely
12:30shocked.
12:31As the secret traitor,
12:32Fiona had put you
12:33on the shortlist twice.
12:34Absolutely.
12:35How does it feel
12:38seeing all that back?
12:38I really don't
12:39understand that woman.
12:43Fosia,
12:44you were,
12:44of course,
12:44on the receiving end
12:45of a face-to-face murder.
12:47How did it feel
12:48watching Maz
12:48go through the same thing?
12:49Oh, I did feel
12:50for you, Maz.
12:51Did you?
12:51I did, yeah.
12:52But it's an epic moment.
12:54Take it with pride
12:55that, you know,
12:56you got to see
12:57the traitors
12:58face-to-face.
12:59Amanda,
13:00I loved your reaction
13:01to Fiona.
13:03Can you just talk us
13:04through your
13:04finding out she was
13:06a traitor,
13:06how you reacted to that?
13:07She's just like
13:08a ball of energy,
13:10you know?
13:10She's cheeky.
13:11Cheeky minx.
13:12Naughty but nice.
13:13Naughty but nice, yeah.
13:15Also,
13:15Ed was saying earlier on,
13:16she's got this
13:17brilliant thing
13:19of kind of going,
13:19oh,
13:20I don't quite understand.
13:21What did he say?
13:22I don't,
13:23you know,
13:23this kind of like
13:24a bit ditzy
13:25and confused
13:26about stuff.
13:27Brilliant.
13:27But actually she's,
13:28you know,
13:29plunging the knife
13:30into the hilt.
13:32Absolutely brilliant.
13:33What about Rachel?
13:34The moment in that clip there
13:36where you find out
13:37it's Rachel
13:37and you can see yourself
13:38process all of that
13:40and go,
13:40I told her that
13:41I'm a former detective.
13:43I chose the traitor.
13:44I know.
13:45In a split second,
13:47my head went,
13:49you're going to look
13:49really stupid.
13:50Oh my God.
13:51She's my best friend.
13:52She was my best friend
13:53in the castle.
13:54And then I thought,
13:55how can I get out of this?
13:56Well,
13:56she's brilliant.
13:57She fooled me.
13:59What kind of possessed you
13:59to want to even share
14:00that with her though
14:01at that stage?
14:02So it all started
14:04when the nine people
14:06got told
14:07they were up for murder.
14:08Yeah.
14:08And I thought my odds
14:10are just going down
14:11and down and down.
14:12And to be honest,
14:13every day I was thinking,
14:14why am I not being murdered?
14:16Okay.
14:16Because I would murder me.
14:18Definitely.
14:19And I just wanted to sort of
14:20blurt it out.
14:22And I thought you could have
14:23blurted a theory out
14:24but not shared your job title.
14:26Yeah.
14:27Yeah.
14:30But I wanted to tell Rachel
14:32and I just thought
14:34she could,
14:35she can use it
14:35for good or evil.
14:37Can I just ask about
14:38your final round table
14:39about the honing in on Jade
14:40but then turning to Sam
14:42and then Reese.
14:43Oh.
14:44It just seemed
14:44to incriminate you
14:45even further.
14:46I really felt for you then
14:48because it was like,
14:49so the dominoes
14:51were just falling
14:52and I could feel,
14:53I could feel them falling.
14:54So it all sounded a bit odd
14:56and watching it,
15:00yeah,
15:01I mean,
15:02it just looks ridiculous.
15:03Doesn't it?
15:04I would deserve to be banished.
15:07Okay.
15:08Totally.
15:08Totally.
15:09Because I just confuse
15:10the hell out of everybody.
15:11Yeah.
15:12But I was,
15:13you know,
15:13a little,
15:14it was a little bit
15:14rabbit in the headlights
15:15but it was also,
15:17I've got all this
15:18information in my head
15:20that I want to get out
15:21to help.
15:22Yeah.
15:23Because,
15:24I think I said it a few times,
15:25I'm just,
15:26I'm here to help.
15:27But no one believed that,
15:28did they?
15:28No, no.
15:29I got called an influencer.
15:31Which is one of the worst things
15:32you can be called.
15:33Well, yeah,
15:34that's true,
15:34that's true.
15:35So obviously the round table
15:37ended in a chest of chance.
15:39The second time in
15:41Traders UK history
15:42this has happened.
15:43We're of course
15:44sat with the other,
15:45I was number one.
15:45The other casualty.
15:46I know.
15:47For chest of chance.
15:48Amanda,
15:49talk us through
15:50how you're feeling
15:51in the chest of chance moment.
15:52I thought,
15:53I've got 50,
15:54I've got 50-50,
15:55you know.
15:56But I,
15:57I resigned myself
15:59to the fact
15:59that I might go.
16:01So I was gearing myself up
16:02for you're banished.
16:03I definitely,
16:04definitely was nervous.
16:07And I think Rhys
16:07was doing the same thing.
16:08He'd almost given up as well.
16:10And it was weird
16:11from my perspective
16:12seeing that
16:12because Rhys
16:14was getting so much flack
16:15that he'd got to a stage
16:16where he was like,
16:18Deflated and just given up.
16:19Yeah.
16:20Just,
16:20just,
16:20just give it to me.
16:22It's all right.
16:23You know,
16:23I can.
16:24And then on the other hand,
16:25there was you
16:26that were probably
16:28feeling the same
16:29or if not a bit more
16:31and,
16:32and sensing Rhys's
16:33frustrations.
16:35I just wanted to
16:36run round
16:37and give him a hug.
16:37Yeah.
16:38Now before there's a deadlock,
16:39obviously there's a chance
16:40to plead for survival.
16:41You'd get to say something.
16:43Mark,
16:43obviously you had to go through
16:45all of that.
16:45Oh yes,
16:46I thought you were going to ask me
16:46to do it.
16:47Please do it now.
16:47If you,
16:48if you wish,
16:48if you wish to continue
16:49being on this show,
16:51you must plead.
16:52I think I'm a really valuable
16:53member of the panel
16:55and I try my best.
16:57I give a lot.
17:00What's,
17:00what's it like having,
17:01having to do that?
17:02And what,
17:02what was it like watching
17:03Amanda and Rhys have to do that?
17:05To be honest,
17:05that whole round table,
17:07starting with Alan
17:09going off on one about me,
17:11you know,
17:12when you get white noise
17:13in your brain
17:14and you can't,
17:14it was just like a kind of
17:16fight or flight,
17:17I suppose,
17:17is what it was.
17:18So you're kind of
17:19totally thinking
17:20on your,
17:21on your wits.
17:22How can you think
17:23I'm a traitor?
17:24How can you,
17:25you know,
17:25that's all that was going
17:26through my head.
17:27I'm like,
17:27I'm not my faith.
17:28You know,
17:29so that's why I got as,
17:30as,
17:31you know,
17:32animated as I did.
17:33But I mean,
17:34I guess you're far more
17:36used to dealing with
17:37stressful situations
17:39than I probably am.
17:41I just,
17:42I think I had a bit
17:42of an out of body experience.
17:44Yeah.
17:45I just thought,
17:45oh,
17:47I'm done.
17:48I'm done.
17:49If I was in that situation
17:51and they said,
17:52plead for your life
17:53at this point,
17:54I'd throw my toys
17:55out of my pram.
17:56You're like,
17:56look,
17:57you've all voted for me,
17:58you don't even deserve me.
18:01I'm not sure
18:02that would have worked.
18:04I'm not,
18:05I'm not,
18:05I'm not sure,
18:06Ed.
18:06I don't know.
18:07After the round table,
18:08things got,
18:09things got very interesting
18:10as I'm sure you've both
18:11seen by this point.
18:12Yeah.
18:13Rachel revealed
18:14the information
18:15that you gave her
18:16to the group.
18:17Obviously,
18:17what she didn't realise
18:18was what was going
18:19to happen immediately
18:20afterwards with Fiona.
18:22Oh my lord.
18:24I mean,
18:24I don't even,
18:25I still can't wrap my head
18:29around what Fiona did.
18:30So Fiona got really angry
18:31with Rachel.
18:31Yeah.
18:32Decided that she was lying.
18:34Yeah.
18:34She was shocked
18:35that you hadn't told her.
18:36Yeah.
18:37Or the fact
18:38that her family
18:39are involved
18:40in the police as well.
18:41Yeah.
18:41Did she share that with you?
18:42She did.
18:43She did, actually.
18:44But I think
18:45I was so engrossed
18:46in not being
18:47a police officer
18:48that it just,
18:50there's a lot of moments,
18:51Fosia,
18:51do you have those moments
18:52where you think,
18:53oh yeah,
18:54I've got this,
18:54I've got this,
18:54I've got this,
18:55these two,
18:56this is going to come to,
18:57oh, I've forgotten.
18:58Yeah.
18:58And it just goes
18:59and you just forget
19:00or, you know,
19:01you go on to something else
19:02because you're in
19:02fight or flight mode
19:03quite a bit,
19:04aren't you?
19:05I don't think
19:05any of us
19:06could have predicted
19:06Fiona's next move.
19:08Maz, what do we think
19:09of Fiona's reaction
19:10and do we think
19:12it's a good idea?
19:13For the show,
19:14I think it's a fantastic idea.
19:15Yeah, yeah, yeah.
19:16For the show.
19:17We all agree with that.
19:18We've never seen
19:18anything like it.
19:19Do you know,
19:20I think she took it
19:23personally.
19:24Oh, yeah.
19:25I think she's thought,
19:28how dare Amanda
19:30tell Rachel
19:33and not me.
19:34Yeah.
19:34Because I think
19:35under all that show,
19:38I think she has
19:39or she wants
19:40that control.
19:41Mm-hmm.
19:42Yeah.
19:42We were saying that.
19:43And I think
19:44you letting
19:46Rachel know
19:47took some control
19:49away from her.
19:51Yes.
19:51And I think
19:52she really took
19:53offence to that
19:54and that's why
19:55we see,
19:56because she's
19:57completely,
19:57she's marching,
19:59isn't she?
19:59Yeah.
20:00Maz, if you'd been
20:00in the kitchen
20:01when Fiona came in,
20:02what would your reaction
20:03have been?
20:03I would have loved it.
20:04I would have
20:06absolutely loved it
20:07because I wouldn't
20:08have expected
20:09that off Fiona.
20:10Yeah.
20:10Didn't Rachel deal
20:11with it so well?
20:12Oh, yeah.
20:13I think you have
20:14done this.
20:15You don't think
20:16that she spoke to me?
20:18No, no, no.
20:18I don't.
20:19I don't.
20:20I think you have done this
20:22for your own benefit.
20:23So you don't think
20:25that she sat me
20:26in there
20:26and told...
20:28Not for one minute.
20:29Okay, well then,
20:30I'm not continuing
20:30this conversation.
20:32She was like,
20:34what are you doing?
20:35You could see
20:36her little face
20:37going,
20:37what are you doing?
20:39You're sabotaging
20:40my time
20:42and yours.
20:42Such a natural reaction.
20:43Even if she was faithful,
20:44that would be
20:45the natural reaction.
20:46I think Stephen's
20:46the one who
20:48could have worked
20:48his reaction
20:49a little bit better
20:49because he was like,
20:50gags,
20:51and then left the room.
20:52Yeah.
20:53He went,
20:53okay,
20:54I've got to get out of here.
20:55Oh, but Amanda,
20:56you know like,
20:56gangsters have a code.
20:57Yeah.
20:58I know about that code.
21:02Yeah, of course there is.
21:03You'd expect the traitors
21:04to have a little bit
21:05of loyalty
21:06and have a bit of a code.
21:07I mean, you know what?
21:08Go for it
21:08when there's five of you left.
21:10Yeah.
21:10But not at this stage.
21:12Mark, what about you?
21:13If you'd been in the kitchen
21:13when Fiona stormed in,
21:15how would you have reacted?
21:16Oh, well,
21:17exactly the same as Mark's.
21:18I would have absolutely
21:19lapped it up.
21:20Yeah.
21:21Yeah.
21:21I mean,
21:21in that kind of like
21:22bum squeak way.
21:24Yeah.
21:25You're just like,
21:25oh my God,
21:26this is going off
21:27and I'm actually here.
21:28Is there any,
21:29you know all the snacks
21:30in the middle?
21:31Oh, yeah.
21:31Is there any popcorn
21:32that you could just grab?
21:34Yeah, exactly.
21:35Yeah, yeah.
21:36Just sit back
21:37and watch it unfold.
21:38Oh, it's great.
21:39Great.
21:39I just,
21:40it's a shame
21:40that they left it
21:41so late in the day
21:42because you've got to go home.
21:44Yeah.
21:45But if, you know,
21:45if you'd started that
21:46in the morning,
21:47it could have raged all day.
21:48It would have been brilliant.
21:49Well,
21:50the faithful go home.
21:52They're straight into the turret.
21:53They're straight into the turret.
21:53What do we think
21:54is going to happen
21:55in this turret?
21:55Because we've seen them
21:56take the hoods back
21:57and they're obviously...
21:57That evil look.
21:58A full physical fight.
22:00I mean,
22:01it's like cloaks off.
22:02I said,
22:02watch out while
22:03it's going to get
22:03filled up in a minute.
22:07Is there any possibility
22:09that they can come back
22:10from this?
22:11No.
22:12Is there?
22:12I think it feels like
22:14maybe Rachel would not be
22:15mega angry at Fiona.
22:17She would just be
22:17a bit baffled.
22:18Yeah.
22:19So I think there may be
22:20some sort of getting
22:20to the bottom
22:21of why this has happened.
22:22Yeah.
22:23It doesn't feel like
22:24they can come back from it
22:25and be a United Trader team,
22:26does it?
22:26No.
22:26Well, the thing is, though,
22:27they've got to,
22:28because they're both traitors,
22:30they've got to face each other
22:31in the turret now.
22:32Yeah.
22:33Have a conversation about it.
22:34But the next day,
22:35Yeah.
22:36they've got to seemingly
22:37as faithful...
22:39You're right, yeah.
22:39...have another conversation
22:41or, you know,
22:42be with everybody else.
22:43Interesting.
22:43So there's going to be two levels
22:45of, you know,
22:47playing the field.
22:48Because now they can't
22:49have a discussion
22:50in the turret
22:50and decide they're going
22:51to try and rein it in
22:52and go,
22:53right, we need to be a team.
22:54The next morning,
22:55what's Fiona going to do?
22:55Go, she's not a traitor,
22:56actually, I've decided.
22:57Yeah.
22:58But the other thing is,
22:59it raises suspicion
23:00slightly on Rachel
23:02where she hasn't had
23:04that attention at all.
23:06It's the attention,
23:06isn't it?
23:07Isn't it?
23:07Yeah, yeah.
23:07And then hopefully
23:08Stephen withdraws
23:09from the background
23:09a little bit.
23:10He had so much heat on him
23:11and now he can just
23:12let that play out.
23:12Well, it's perfect for him,
23:13isn't it, now?
23:13Yeah.
23:14Thank the Lord.
23:16You know,
23:16he can stop sweating now,
23:17can't he?
23:20Well, we're out of time
23:21here on BBC One,
23:22but we'll keep chatting
23:23over on BBC Sounds.
23:25I'm going to get into
23:26the minds of Maz and Amanda
23:27as if they were traitors.
23:28Mark and Fosier
23:29will be sharing
23:30what their post-traitors
23:30life has been like
23:31and we'll dig some more
23:33into that player
23:33WhatsApp group.
23:34It's all in your
23:35bonus episode of Uncloaked,
23:36which you can hear
23:37right now.
23:38Just scan the QR code
23:39on the screen
23:39or search for us
23:40in the BBC Sounds app.
23:42I'll be back tomorrow night
23:43with guests including
23:44celebrity faithful
23:45Charlotte Church
23:45to see what the fallout is
23:47following Fiona
23:48and Rachel's revelations
23:49and I cannot wait.
23:51Big thanks to Mark,
23:52Fosier, Amanda and Maz
23:53for joining in the fun.
23:54I've been Ed Gamble.
23:55Stay faithful.
23:56Woo-hoo-hoo!
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