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00:00...companion podcast with me, Ed Gamble.
00:02This show is a spoiler sensation,
00:04so if you haven't watched episode 4 of The Traitors yet,
00:06go and watch it now,
00:07and then come back to join us for more deception, drama, and druids.
00:11Coming up, we'll be discussing the shock reveal of the secret traitor's identity.
00:16The latest player to be banished, Ross, is with us
00:18to dissect the surprise roundtable
00:20and the secret he's been keeping this whole time.
00:23Plus, we're about to have our first face-to-face murder,
00:25which I'm going to unpick in detail
00:27with superfans Angela Scanlan and Max Belegde
00:29series 1 traitor Wilf
00:31and series 2 faithful turn traitor Myles.
00:40We have to start with the biggest revelation of the series so far.
00:43Fiona is the secret traitor.
00:44Your reactions to that?
00:47Little red riding warrior.
00:49With a little basket and everything.
00:51She's welcome.
00:53It is, of course, Fiona.
00:54I mean, I was willing it to be Fiona.
00:57From episode 1, I was like,
00:59please let it be Fiona.
01:01Did any of us suspect that it was Fiona?
01:03Angela, did you have any suspicions?
01:05I had, like, hopes that it would be Fiona
01:08because she's so unassuming.
01:10I mean, obviously, everyone was like,
01:11oh, she's playing a good game,
01:12being a bit ditzy and kind of clueless,
01:15as if that was a pretense.
01:17But I thought,
01:17oh, that's actually quite an obvious kind of line to tread.
01:20But I just love her voice
01:24and her inside
01:26and how sweet she looks outside.
01:28And then she sits in that chair
01:29and she's like,
01:30they haven't seen me coming.
01:33She's like rubbing her hands together.
01:35She's a beast and I love it.
01:37I love it.
01:37Yeah.
01:38What about you, Max?
01:38Did you suspect?
01:39I suspected her when she was in the car
01:41and she brought up Rachel's name
01:43because up until that point,
01:44nobody had really suspected Rachel.
01:46And then out of nowhere,
01:47she brings it up.
01:48But she didn't try too hard.
01:49And I thought,
01:50you know something here, love.
01:51You know.
01:52And she did.
01:53Yeah.
01:53She did.
01:54I thought, to be honest,
01:55it was like,
01:56it was so obvious it could have been her,
01:57but it couldn't have been her.
01:58Yeah.
01:59She's so cute
01:59and so like innocent looking.
02:00She's the perfect pick for it.
02:01She's perfect.
02:02Oh my God.
02:03And then she went so hard for Hugo
02:04I thought,
02:05maybe she's not.
02:06I was watching it going,
02:07surely that it's not going to be another Welsh person.
02:11So many Welsh people.
02:13What, we've had Amanda.
02:15Amanda.
02:15We've had Andrew.
02:17And then we had Charlotte.
02:17We've had a fake, fake Welsh traitor.
02:19And now another real Welsh traitor.
02:21And Hugo was Welsh as well.
02:23Yeah.
02:23This has done a lot
02:24to ruin the reputation for Welsh.
02:26Were there any clues
02:27that could have led us to Fiona?
02:29We've got the handwriting.
02:31Did anyone notice similarities
02:32with the handwriting
02:33with the murder shortlist
02:34and the slates?
02:36That was one thing.
02:37Oh, I didn't even think of that.
02:39Well, I did think
02:41the handwriting was so good
02:42that a younger person
02:44might not have done that.
02:45You know what I mean?
02:46I just think like we use,
02:47like younger people use technology a lot.
02:48Speak for yourself.
02:49I've got beautiful handwriting.
02:51But I was like,
02:52it's an older person.
02:53That was my initial thought.
02:54I definitely thought
02:54it was going to be a female.
02:56Yeah.
02:56It's going to be a female.
02:57Because she was going
02:58for the lads all the time.
02:59The men were in the trapping black
03:00for a long time.
03:01So it's like,
03:02yeah, it's going to be a good lady.
03:04So in episode one,
03:05on the way to the mission,
03:06I don't know if anyone else
03:07picked up on this,
03:08James says that
03:08no one in the car that he's in
03:10does he suspect to be a traitor.
03:12And Fiona's in that car
03:13and does a quiet little
03:15sort of smile
03:15out of the window,
03:17just glances off.
03:18Oh, I missed that.
03:19Did you catch that?
03:20I did.
03:20I did that.
03:21But I think Fiona
03:21always looks like she's like,
03:23got sunshine,
03:24it's a lollipop.
03:25So she's just looking around
03:27and just having a great old time.
03:28I think she's played it beautifully.
03:29She is.
03:30There was also,
03:31and I mentioned this
03:32on a previous episode
03:33of Uncloaked,
03:33my biggest clue
03:34that Fiona was a secret traitor,
03:36the comment of saying,
03:38at home,
03:39I've got a red bather
03:39that's a thong.
03:40It's not going to recognise you
03:42when you get home.
03:43You're doing all this exercise.
03:44I'd be like Cindy Crawford.
03:47Be on Baywatch,
03:48ready for Baywatch.
03:49It will.
03:50Yeah, I will.
03:51I've got a little red bather,
03:53which is a thong.
03:56Oh, dear, Fiona.
03:57Don't think I need to know that.
04:00That, to me,
04:00is the biggest clue.
04:02100%.
04:02There's no way
04:03they're including that
04:04in the edit.
04:04It's not a huge clue.
04:06And she threw it in on purpose.
04:07She's like,
04:08I'm going to mention red
04:09and I'm going to do it.
04:10She's a little one
04:10for me,
04:11you know.
04:13A little wink.
04:14Love her.
04:14Husband's thinking,
04:15I've never seen that.
04:16That's not fair.
04:19She's all talk.
04:20As a former traitor,
04:21how do you rate
04:22her gameplay so far?
04:23Oh, it's 10 out of 10,
04:24isn't it?
04:25It's got to be 10 out of 10.
04:26As long as she tones it down
04:26at some point.
04:27Yeah.
04:28It's just great.
04:28And it's entertaining.
04:29It's really entertaining
04:30to watch somebody
04:31who's fully in the role
04:32and just enjoying it.
04:33Obviously,
04:34I cried all the time,
04:34so it's like,
04:35watching somebody
04:36who's just enjoying it
04:37and taking it as a game,
04:38it's nice to watch.
04:39Yes.
04:39And Max is a super fan.
04:41This has obviously been
04:42our opportunity
04:43to play the game at home.
04:44Have you enjoyed that?
04:46Loved it.
04:46Because I was dissecting
04:47everybody's glances,
04:49everybody,
04:49even the tone of their voice
04:51when they would say
04:51certain things.
04:52I found myself this season
04:53more than ever
04:54really paying attention
04:55and it just kind of
04:56showed to me
04:57how hard it is
04:58as a job
04:59of being a faithful.
05:00Let's talk about
05:01Fiona's relationship
05:02with the other traitors
05:03now that she's revealed herself.
05:04It's a little icy in here,
05:08isn't it?
05:09Look at you,
05:10Boat Knight Hugo.
05:11Do you know what?
05:12He messed up big time,
05:14so I had to go
05:15gun-ho on him.
05:16Okay.
05:17It had to be done.
05:18I basically have done
05:19your job for you
05:20for the last few nights.
05:21She's already got
05:26the villain's last.
05:28She's phenomenal.
05:29Unbelievable.
05:30So brilliant.
05:31I think that that could be
05:32her biggest downfall
05:33is like Rachel actually said
05:35earlier in the show,
05:36no two traitors
05:37have ever won it together.
05:39So you've got to have
05:40your fellow traitors
05:40on side really
05:41to get to the end
05:42because they can throw
05:43you under the bus
05:44just as easily
05:45as you can throw them
05:45under the bus.
05:46Well, Miles,
05:47you know that
05:47more than anyone else.
05:49It's like a minute
05:49science question.
05:50Thrown under the bus.
05:51What do you make
05:52of the heightening tension
05:53in the turret?
05:53I think the thing is,
05:54I think Rachel
05:55is very much like she said
05:56was the driving seat,
05:58kind of had Stephen
05:59under her thumb
06:00and then Fiona's
06:01come along now
06:01with this kind of
06:02powerhouse,
06:03especially with the attitude.
06:05And so the alliances
06:06are kind of shattered
06:06because then Stephen's
06:07the kind of one
06:08in between the two ladies
06:09and I think it depends
06:10on how it kind of falls.
06:11He just needs to let them
06:12fight out, doesn't he?
06:13Yeah, just don't get involved.
06:15But I think
06:15you do need your traitors.
06:17Your traitors need
06:18each other at certain points
06:19and as soon as that
06:20kind of starts crumbling
06:21as you saw.
06:22Especially this early
06:23in the game as well.
06:24It's very early.
06:25It feels like they need
06:26to stick together
06:26for a little bit.
06:27I mean, obviously
06:27in series three
06:28we saw a fairly united
06:30traitors tunnel.
06:32It feels like
06:32things are crumbling
06:33pretty quickly.
06:34But I think Hugo
06:35being chucked
06:36so quick
06:37has kind of made them
06:38all a little edgy maybe.
06:40I think Hugo
06:40was the kind of
06:41common enemy,
06:42wasn't he?
06:43He was like,
06:43he's not going to last.
06:44Easy time.
06:45He's not going to last.
06:46The faithfuls
06:46were annoyed by him
06:47and so were the traitors.
06:48So you've got no chance,
06:49mate.
06:50Now, speaking of Fiona
06:51as we have been
06:52for pretty much
06:52the whole episode,
06:54her take on the mission
06:55was rather relaxed.
06:58She could not care less.
07:00I love it so much.
07:02Especially trolling him.
07:04What would you say
07:04then, Angela?
07:05If you was in that box...
07:06I'm about to die.
07:08I'd be like,
07:08Fiona, babes,
07:09love you,
07:09love your pace.
07:10Generally enjoy
07:11the way you
07:12exist in the world.
07:14Get your arse in here.
07:15You're not sprained in an ankle.
07:16I'm not interested.
07:17The mission as a whole
07:18was quite a brutal display
07:20of allegiances
07:21because people had to pick
07:22the people they were protecting.
07:23Poor Sam.
07:25Poor Sam,
07:26completely alone.
07:27No one picked him.
07:28Apart from Rachel
07:29electing Amanda
07:31over fellow traitor Stephen,
07:32were there any other pairings
07:33that you found surprising?
07:35I think they were quite random
07:36to be honest.
07:37From what we've seen,
07:38there weren't too many
07:39alliances that I could tell.
07:40Are we surprised
07:42that Sam was the one
07:42who was left out?
07:43I think so.
07:44No, I was.
07:46No, I wasn't.
07:47I think he gives up that vibe.
07:49Yeah.
07:49I even thought
07:50he was a secret traitor
07:51for a while
07:52because he gives off that vibe
07:54like,
07:54I'm playing the game by myself.
07:56Well, soon we'll be getting
07:57Ross's reaction
07:58to the secret traitor twist,
08:00which, unbeknownst to the faithful,
08:01has been controlling the castle
08:03since the start.
08:04But first,
08:05we finish this episode
08:05with traitors
08:06Rachel and Fiona
08:07having to put their differences aside
08:08and decide who to kill
08:10to take suspicion
08:11of fellow traitor Stephen.
08:14So their choices
08:14are Sam,
08:16Rhys and Maz.
08:17Protect Maz
08:18at all costs.
08:19What I love about Maz,
08:21he's clearly such a sweet man.
08:23Yeah.
08:23And when he finds out
08:24he's on this,
08:25you know,
08:25big short list or whatever,
08:27that he's one of the people
08:27who could be murdered,
08:29he's like,
08:30oh,
08:30this is awful
08:31to be on the murder short list.
08:32And you want to go,
08:33brother,
08:33you've been on that list
08:34every day.
08:36You've been dodging them
08:37day and day.
08:37Fiona has been whacking you
08:39on the short list
08:40every single day.
08:42Why?
08:42I don't understand
08:43Fiona's problem with that.
08:45He's so innocent.
08:46Yeah.
08:47But I liked how
08:48when he was in the cage,
08:50he's like,
08:51I was in the police force.
08:52This is,
08:53whatever happens here
08:54is grand.
08:56Clearly,
08:56everyone is involved
08:57in the police force.
08:58Quite a lot.
09:00Maz needs to go.
09:01I'm really sorry.
09:02How dare you?
09:03Rhys already has
09:04suspicion on him,
09:05so you'd leave him in
09:06because they're going to
09:07banish him at some point anyway.
09:08Yeah.
09:08So you'd get,
09:09like,
09:09I'd get rid of Maz
09:10because people would be like,
09:11what's going on?
09:12Why would they get rid of Maz?
09:13It would just cause
09:14a bit more confusion
09:15and they'll look at Rhys
09:16a little bit.
09:17And Sam's got a lot
09:18of suspicion on him as well.
09:19Yeah.
09:19So I think that's really sad
09:21to say,
09:21I'm sorry,
09:21I love Maz as well,
09:22but see there.
09:23Do we think murdering Sam
09:24takes the spotlight
09:25off Stephen at all?
09:26Because Sam led
09:27the Judy banishment charge
09:29and he's been a bit quiet
09:30ever since.
09:31Sam just acts
09:32like a traitor sometimes.
09:33Yeah.
09:34He kind of gives that traitor
09:35confidence maybe.
09:37Doing too much.
09:38If he kind of calms it down
09:40and becomes a good faithful,
09:41I don't think he seems
09:42like he's got a good alliance
09:43with many other faithfuls.
09:44Still really handsome guy.
09:46Oh, Alex.
09:48Because everyone thought
09:49he looked like you at that time.
09:51Oh, what?
09:52Did they?
09:52Sorry.
09:53I'm not on socials very often.
09:57Let's look at murdering Rhys
09:59as an option
10:00because it was neck and neck
10:01between him and Ross
10:02at the round table.
10:03He basically just got absolved
10:05of a lot of suspicion on him
10:06because he got so emotional.
10:07No, but the fact
10:08that Stephen saw that happen,
10:10as a traitor,
10:11I would then go,
10:12guys,
10:12this happened in the kitchen.
10:13Murder Rhys.
10:14You know,
10:14Harriet saw him crying
10:15and she was a big force
10:17in getting rid of Hugo.
10:18She no longer
10:18has any suspicion on him.
10:20It's kind of useless.
10:20We may as well get rid of him.
10:21Yeah, that's interesting.
10:22But yeah,
10:23I suppose
10:23in that moment,
10:25Stephen is not deciding
10:26who to murder,
10:28of course,
10:28because he's locked in a cage.
10:30I mean,
10:30I'm gutted for Stephen
10:31because this feels like
10:32a huge mistake.
10:33Did anyone spot
10:34the particular slip-up
10:35at the round table?
10:37Let's have a little reminder.
10:39There is just
10:40one point as well
10:41that I wanted to make.
10:43These murders
10:44in plain sight,
10:45right,
10:45they are designed
10:46to give us clues,
10:47OK?
10:48Because you're asking
10:49the traitor to do something
10:50whilst everyone
10:51is running wild
10:52around the castle,
10:53OK?
10:54So,
10:55who was the last person
10:56I saw at that painting?
10:58Yeah.
10:58And I've spoken to you
10:59before, Maz,
11:00through this process
11:01and so I was thinking
11:02to myself last night,
11:05you know,
11:05oh, sorry,
11:05this morning
11:06after we found out
11:07how, you know,
11:08the thing was done.
11:09Dude.
11:11Dude,
11:11he's got to be more careful.
11:13And he was so confident.
11:14He was like,
11:14I'm going to smash this.
11:15One of the tales though
11:18I noticed on that
11:19is that he finishes
11:20every sentence with OK,
11:21which I think
11:21he's giving himself
11:22a breather
11:23to get my next sentence.
11:24It's not enough
11:24of a breather though.
11:26OK?
11:27So last night
11:27in the turret.
11:28He had a full night.
11:29We were talking
11:30in the turret last night.
11:31OK, so I'm a traitor,
11:32Faithful.
11:34Well,
11:34banished Faithful Ross
11:35joins us next,
11:36but first,
11:37let's see how he reacted
11:38when he found out
11:39the identity of the traitors
11:40just after he left the game
11:42at Claudia's
11:42surprise morning round table.
11:45It's frustrating
11:51having been voted out
11:52as,
11:54honestly,
11:54I had a perfect theory.
11:56Come on now,
11:56like literally
11:57we know
11:58one of those five
11:59had to be a traitor
12:01and they've set me up.
12:03And ultimately
12:04I could tell
12:05on that round table
12:06they just were not listening
12:08to the facts
12:09that I was laying down.
12:11Traitors wise,
12:12I think there were four
12:12and at least
12:15one of those five
12:15who heard
12:17Ben's dying words
12:18is a traitor
12:19and of those five
12:21Ellie,
12:22I think is a traitor,
12:24Stephen,
12:24I think is a traitor
12:25and then Fiona.
12:28I,
12:29it's so hard,
12:31it's so hard,
12:31but I do,
12:32I do think
12:33Fiona is a silent assassin.
12:35Final one is Harriet
12:36and it's just because
12:39of her behaviour
12:41on that last round table.
12:42It didn't make sense
12:43that she wasn't listening
12:44to what I was saying there.
12:46Is this now,
12:47is this the point
12:47where I can now find out
12:48who the traitors are?
12:50All right.
12:53Oh.
12:53There we go.
12:59Oh, mate.
13:00Okay.
13:07Yes.
13:09Stephen,
13:09I,
13:10I did know Stephen
13:11was a traitor.
13:12I,
13:12this makes me feel
13:14so good
13:15because I knew it.
13:16That's a win for me.
13:17I'll give you that.
13:19Right.
13:20Oh, do you know what?
13:20I'm a bit worried
13:21to see who the next one is.
13:23Rachel.
13:33Rachel.
13:36That has stunned me.
13:38Oh.
13:41I'm not going to lie to you.
13:42Rachel was completely
13:44off my radar.
13:46I just thought
13:46she was just being
13:47unnecessarily stubborn.
13:49Ultimately,
13:50the traitors' plan
13:51was to get me out
13:52at the round table
13:53and she guaranteed
13:55without suspicion
13:56I'd always get
13:57at least one vote.
13:59I am super surprised
14:00Ellie's not on this list.
14:02She was really
14:03weirdly quiet
14:04at the round table.
14:05That,
14:05that was really weird to me.
14:07That surprised me.
14:08Uh,
14:09she has been a faithful
14:10and
14:11I was wrong.
14:12And Ross is with us now!
14:15Yay!
14:20Welcome,
14:20welcome to Uncloaked,
14:21Ross.
14:22Thank you so much
14:22for having me.
14:23It's a delight
14:24to have you here.
14:24Under sad circumstances,
14:26of course,
14:26you've gone out
14:27quite early.
14:28You know what?
14:28I'm actually really happy
14:29with my run.
14:30Honestly,
14:30I feel like
14:31blaze of glory,
14:32you know?
14:32Yeah.
14:33It was,
14:33yeah,
14:34huge blaze of glory
14:34in a way.
14:37Guilted!
14:37Guilted!
14:38We'll talk about,
14:39we'll talk about
14:40your whole game
14:40but first,
14:42I do want to hear
14:42why you thought
14:43your own secret girlfriend
14:45was a traitor.
14:46Listen,
14:46alright,
14:47so you lot don't know
14:48who I ever have at home.
14:49And so,
14:51she'd be like,
14:51freezing up,
14:52I'm really nervous
14:52and then I'm like,
14:54I'm literally
14:55under fire here.
14:56Who's got a chance?
14:58Who's nervous?
14:58Yeah,
14:59yeah,
14:59yeah.
14:59And so I just
15:00couldn't empathise
15:01with her finding
15:02the experience
15:03so intimidating.
15:04Was there beefing on you
15:05when you got home?
15:06No,
15:06no,
15:06no,
15:06no,
15:07no,
15:07maybe a little bit,
15:08yeah?
15:09It was more,
15:10I was like,
15:10you know what,
15:11I didn't want her to go crazy
15:12but I was like,
15:13a little,
15:13a little,
15:14a little,
15:15sorry,
15:15a little left hop.
15:18Yeah.
15:18Like a little defence
15:19or leading the charge
15:20in an opposite direction,
15:21maybe.
15:22Don't get me wrong,
15:23the plan was,
15:24you know,
15:24we're working for the household,
15:25don't sacrifice yourself.
15:26Don't do nothing.
15:28Yeah.
15:29Fuck me up a bit,
15:30over here.
15:31But I did see later on
15:33in some bits
15:33that actually,
15:34you know,
15:34she was,
15:35she's out of my back,
15:35so,
15:36do you know what I mean?
15:36Well,
15:36she must have felt,
15:37she must have felt quite sort of torn
15:39because she was also watching you
15:40have the most stressful game
15:42anyone's ever had.
15:43I think because it was
15:44as soon as you got out of the car
15:45when normally you can relax
15:46and sort of take the castle in,
15:48Nettie runs towards you
15:49and from that moment on
15:51you were under suspicion.
15:52At the time,
15:53I'd seen Nettie,
15:55like early,
15:56let's say 20 seconds before.
15:57Yeah.
15:58And so I was like,
15:59yes,
16:00I've got a secret ally.
16:02Another one.
16:03It's supposed to be 22 strangers.
16:06It's 20 plus Ross and Nettie.
16:08And Ellie.
16:09And Ellie.
16:10Yes, and Ellie.
16:13Be for home.
16:14Definitely be for home.
16:15And Nettie's gone,
16:18Ross.
16:18And I was like,
16:18no, no.
16:19And so I've frozen
16:20because I'm like,
16:21oh, this is not good.
16:22And she's run
16:23and she's jumped into my arms
16:24and the problem with that
16:26is also that I'm like,
16:28everyone was like,
16:29oh, Ross,
16:29how was,
16:30you know,
16:30it looks really suspicious.
16:31I'm like,
16:31I don't care about you lot right now.
16:33Someone who,
16:34my partner who has no idea
16:35who they are,
16:36just jumped into my arms.
16:38You guys have got the wrong priority.
16:40And he's like,
16:41oh, really?
16:43Yeah.
16:43You got some explaining.
16:44Is there footage anywhere
16:46of Ellie finding you
16:47in the castle
16:48and going,
16:48who the hell is that one?
16:51That's what my actual
16:52initial fear and worry was.
16:54And so what's annoying
16:55and frustrating is
16:56I'm trying to hang it up
16:57and be like,
16:58oh, my God,
16:59who is this?
17:00I can't believe.
17:01It's my platonic friend
17:02from years ago.
17:04Exactly.
17:05Wasn't a platonic friend.
17:06Yes, yes, yes.
17:07Okay.
17:08Just for clarity.
17:09It's actually generally innocent,
17:10but it looks terrible.
17:12You guessed Stephen
17:18and we also saw in that clip
17:20you guessed Fiona as well.
17:21You referred to Fiona
17:22as a silent assassin.
17:24Yes, that's true.
17:24You couldn't have been much closer,
17:25you know,
17:26secret traitor,
17:27silent assassin.
17:28I just noticed she'd,
17:30like,
17:30I've spent a lot of time
17:32with Fiona.
17:32She's switched on.
17:33She's really,
17:34really switched on.
17:35So when she'd say stuff
17:36every now and again,
17:37like,
17:38what did he say?
17:39What did Ben say?
17:41I was like,
17:42you're asking a question
17:44you knew the answer to.
17:45Yeah.
17:45And so for me,
17:47I was like,
17:47that was a flag,
17:48but it wasn't like a,
17:50yeah.
17:50And I mean,
17:52we're talking a lot
17:53about the Library Five,
17:54so the people who heard
17:55Ben's final words
17:56to look at you
17:57if he died.
17:58And so you suspected
17:59Stephen because of that.
18:00And Fiona was also there.
18:01It was two of the Library Five
18:02are traitors.
18:03That's true.
18:04And so in my eyes,
18:06it was those three.
18:08I knew that,
18:10this is going to sound
18:11a bit arrogant,
18:12but I felt like
18:12Fiona would not kill me.
18:16And so because of it,
18:17I was like,
18:17there's no point
18:17actually going out with Fiona.
18:19I'm obviously not going
18:20to ruin the household.
18:22And so Stephen was actually
18:23the only viable person
18:25of that five
18:26who was like,
18:27yeah,
18:27you can go.
18:28And so this made sense.
18:30So you were so adamant
18:31it was LA.
18:32Like you were like,
18:33I was,
18:35I couldn't,
18:35at that time,
18:36I could not think
18:37of any other reason
18:38for her to be
18:39so out of character.
18:40Like if you know,
18:41if you guys,
18:42I would say if you know any,
18:42she's actually a,
18:43like wild,
18:45like I'm actually
18:46the calm one.
18:47Really?
18:48Yeah, honestly.
18:48She seems so quiet.
18:50That's it.
18:50And so I was more like,
18:51who are you?
18:53Like I was,
18:53I was,
18:53she's only chill
18:55when her boyfriend's
18:55under the threat
18:56of banishment.
18:56That's the only time
18:57she takes a back seat.
18:58But you know what?
19:00After watching
19:01the first episode,
19:02I did now notice
19:03that basically
19:04other than us two
19:05on the train
19:06where she's smiling
19:06and a bit like us,
19:07every other scene
19:09was like,
19:10yeah.
19:11She's terrified.
19:12Can we,
19:13can we talk about
19:13the moment on the train?
19:16Obviously,
19:17you're trying to conceal
19:18that you're in a relationship.
19:19I'd say
19:20it's the most obvious thing
19:21I've ever seen in my life.
19:22That conversation,
19:23the,
19:24I'm from London.
19:25Is it?
19:26I went,
19:28is it?
19:30Hey!
19:31That was a good one.
19:33I think is it
19:34will be your legacy
19:35on this show.
19:36I hope so.
19:37No one's ever been
19:38that surprised
19:38to hear someone's
19:39from London.
19:41Well,
19:41Ellie's claimed
19:42that she's going to
19:43avenge your banishment.
19:44I hope so.
19:45Yeah.
19:45I hope so.
19:46She should be.
19:47She's got,
19:47I feel like I've laid
19:48the clues,
19:49you know,
19:50with evidence.
19:51So,
19:51I'm a...
19:52Beautifully articulated
19:53and very calm.
19:55I just,
19:55yeah,
19:56but then Rachel went,
19:57what was the turret like?
19:58And you were like,
19:58oh!
19:59That was crazy.
20:00Oh my God!
20:01I don't know
20:01what anyone would say
20:02in that situation.
20:03I know.
20:04You pretending
20:04that you didn't know
20:05what the turret was
20:06was brilliant.
20:07We should talk about this.
20:08Let's remind ourselves
20:09of that moment.
20:09Brilliant.
20:10Can I ask you a question?
20:11Please.
20:12Was Hugo this dramatic
20:13in the turret?
20:14Was Hugo this?
20:17I'm sorry,
20:18I don't understand.
20:18Was Hugo dramatic
20:19in the turret?
20:22I didn't,
20:23in what turret?
20:23Oh,
20:26she's so evil.
20:27And she's like,
20:27I rest my case.
20:31I mean,
20:32a brutal move
20:33from Rachel,
20:33I think.
20:34Wild play.
20:35And then she tries
20:36to claim it was a joke
20:37afterwards.
20:37She's like,
20:37I jokingly said this.
20:38It's like,
20:39your face wasn't showing up.
20:39That was the little
20:40jokey joke,
20:41I would say.
20:42But then,
20:43I mean,
20:43look,
20:43I felt bad for you
20:44for this whole game,
20:45Russ,
20:45because from minute one,
20:47you're like,
20:47no one else is under suspicion.
20:48You get out of the car,
20:49Nettie runs up to you
20:50and the game
20:51never slowed down
20:52from that point.
20:52Yes, sadly.
20:53So I understand
20:53there's so much going on
20:54at this point,
20:55you're going to go,
20:56what turret?
20:57But have you worked out
20:58what the turret is yet?
20:59I do now.
20:59Yeah, yeah, yeah.
21:00Rachel's turret.
21:02Hats off to you.
21:02He's had the hardest start
21:04I've ever seen anybody have.
21:05It's the most brutal
21:07Rachel V. Ross
21:08since Friends Season 7.
21:12It's such a leading question
21:13though as well,
21:13isn't it?
21:13I thought
21:14that was her slipping up.
21:16So what's really funny was
21:17when that was going on,
21:19I was like,
21:19bruv,
21:20have you just
21:20outage yourself?
21:22And also,
21:22what I didn't want to do
21:24at the time as well
21:24was say traitors.
21:26I don't know why,
21:26in my head,
21:26I just thought
21:27if you say traitors,
21:28people will associate you with.
21:31And I was like,
21:31bruv,
21:31and I still thought
21:32it was a weird thing to say,
21:33but I understand now
21:34the game
21:35was a powerful thing to do.
21:37Max,
21:37how would you cope
21:37in that situation
21:38if you were at the round table?
21:39I think I would cry
21:40and run away.
21:42I don't think
21:43that would raise
21:43any suspicion whatsoever.
21:46Ross,
21:46why did you and Ellie
21:47decide to go
21:48into the game together?
21:49Oh,
21:49so actually,
21:51Ellie was the one
21:51that applied for us
21:52and we loved the show.
21:54So we'd watched
21:55season two and three
21:59and then when she said
22:00we should try for it,
22:02I was like,
22:03you sure?
22:04Because obviously,
22:05it's such a popular show,
22:07so many people on it
22:08and so yeah,
22:09I'm not really like that.
22:09Has it brought you
22:10closest together?
22:11Yes.
22:11Or has it exposed
22:15some serious flaws
22:16in your relationship?
22:18Love Island.
22:20I have,
22:21yeah,
22:21to be fair to you,
22:22I've seen a lot more,
22:23I've seen a lot more
22:24really actually,
22:25if that makes sense
22:26because I think,
22:27especially in a relationship
22:27where I don't know
22:28if you're competitive,
22:29but she'd keep her
22:30guard up quite a bit
22:32so now understanding,
22:33oh,
22:33that's what that face means.
22:35That's been really,
22:36really helpful
22:37because like,
22:38no,
22:39it's been good.
22:39I think it's perfect.
22:40I've seen your own reactions
22:40on TV.
22:41It is.
22:42Oh,
22:42that's what my face looks like.
22:44Were there any moments
22:47when you're in the castle
22:48that you nearly slipped up,
22:49that you nearly sort of
22:50revealed a little bit
22:51of the secret relationship
22:52to the other players?
22:54No,
22:54I was actually really
22:55playing with it.
22:56Weirdly,
22:57our relationship
22:57was the most fun
22:59and comfortable thing
23:00for me personally
23:01because I just,
23:01I don't know why,
23:03arrogantly,
23:03I knew nobody would guess.
23:05Yeah.
23:06And especially obviously
23:07after the Nettie scenario,
23:08I was like,
23:09bruv,
23:09we can do whatever.
23:09But there was no point
23:11at the end of the day.
23:12Let's just go to kitchen.
23:16At the end of the day,
23:17you didn't like accidentally
23:18kiss her on the lips
23:19and then have to kiss
23:19everyone on the lips.
23:23That's why he got banished.
23:25It's not an excuse anymore.
23:27Yeah,
23:28we're going to have to
23:28get rid of Ross.
23:29He keeps snocking at her.
23:30It's obviously out there now
23:34that you and Ellie
23:35are in a relationship.
23:36But when the first
23:38three episodes
23:38were going out,
23:39have you been
23:40trying to not be seen together
23:41or trying to keep and seek?
23:43You say,
23:43yes,
23:44we've had to leave
23:45the house
23:46at separate times
23:46where we went to go
23:49watch the first episode
23:50that my family's together.
23:52Ellie took a big jacket
23:53and sunglasses.
23:55And like,
23:55we're going over the top.
23:57And I get it,
23:57to be fair,
23:58because we live where we live.
23:59And so,
23:59we don't want people
24:00to just ruin fun.
24:02Yeah,
24:02yeah.
24:02And so,
24:03yeah,
24:03we've been doing
24:04every bit extra,
24:05which has been a bit long,
24:06but it's fun.
24:07And so,
24:07also,
24:08and telling friends,
24:09bruv.
24:10Yeah,
24:10because I was going to say,
24:11the neighbours next door,
24:12like,
24:13hey,
24:13yeah,
24:14they're neighbours,
24:15they're my neighbours.
24:16I've been using this emoji
24:16non-stop.
24:17And then everyone else
24:18has been like,
24:19keep it to yourselves.
24:20And also,
24:20because it's fun,
24:21you get to share in the secret.
24:22You're in the inner circle.
24:24Yeah,
24:24yeah,
24:24yeah.
24:25Who do you think
24:26is going to survive
24:27tonight's face-to-face murder,
24:28Ross?
24:29We've obviously got...
24:30Stephen.
24:31We've got Stephen.
24:32Stephen will survive.
24:34Really?
24:35Are you alright?
24:36We should survive,
24:37because obviously,
24:37if I was a traitor,
24:38I'm keeping him the hell in.
24:39Yeah.
24:39I'd probably kill Maz.
24:42That's what I said.
24:43I said that.
24:44We love Maz.
24:45I love Maz.
24:46I'm sorry, Maz,
24:47but explain yourself.
24:48I love Sam,
24:49but Sam has rubbed some people
24:51not the right way.
24:52Yeah.
24:53So,
24:53the wrong way.
24:54Ross is so nice,
24:55he won't even say the word wrong.
24:56I'm obsessed.
24:58The incorrect way.
25:00You've rubbed me
25:01not the right way.
25:05It's feedback.
25:06A little feedback for you there.
25:08Yeah, yeah.
25:10The turret, yeah.
25:11What turret?
25:14Ross,
25:14although your time
25:15was cut savagely short,
25:16you've entered
25:17the traitor's history books
25:18because you are the second Ross
25:21to be in a secret relationship.
25:23The other one with his mum.
25:25Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
25:26Of course.
25:26What's that season?
25:28You follow in the footsteps
25:30of secret son Ross
25:31to Diane,
25:32who is, of course,
25:33Miles' murder conquest.
25:35Congratulations.
25:36We'd like to commemorate that here.
25:38on Uncloaked.
25:39A little portrait
25:40for you to take on.
25:42So you can have
25:43the other Ross
25:44at home.
25:45We'll have all the Rosses.
25:46All the Rosses.
25:47You can take that home with you.
25:48And we've sent him
25:49one of you as well.
25:51Nice.
25:53Well, we're out of time
25:54for part one,
25:55but we'll keep chatting
25:55over on BBC Sounds.
25:57I'm going to ask Ross
25:58more about his secret
25:59in the castle
25:59and if Fiona's arrival
26:01in the turret
26:01will make or break
26:02the traitors.
26:03Plus, there'll be more
26:04from Angela, Max,
26:05Wilf and Miles.
26:06It's all in your
26:07bonus episode of Uncloaked
26:08which you can hear right now.
26:10Just scan the QR code
26:10on the screen
26:11and listen to us
26:12as you get ready for bed.
26:13I'm back on Thursday night
26:14straight after episode five
26:16with celebrity faithful
26:17Mark Bonner
26:18and series three faithful
26:19Fosier
26:20to see who hasn't made it
26:21through the night
26:21and if that murder
26:23has successfully thrown
26:24the scent off of
26:24traitor Stephen.
26:26Big thanks to Angela,
26:27Max, Wilf,
26:27Miles and Ross
26:28and to you for watching.
26:29I'm Ed Gamble.
26:31Stay faithful.
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