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00:00I'm so happy to have Teresa Chung back with us. She's flown in from England to
00:19do this interview and I'm going to start with the end before we begin. In her
00:23book, Dreaming of Your Future, Teresa says that the future you are looking for
00:28is forever looking back at you in your dreams. Ah, a little twister. Okay, lots to unpack there.
00:34Oh my God, I can't believe you just got off the plane, got a little bit of sleep and you're flying
00:38right out after this. Thank you so much for taking the time to come with us and do this.
00:43Oh, it's such a joy. I absolutely adore coming here and seeing you, Regina. Thank you so much.
00:48And we get to see each other when I'm in England too. And what's interesting is that as we're out
00:53on the street, when we wonder if this information is trying to take seed, you know by the number of
01:00people that would come up to you on the street, for example. And in your case, what's so fascinating
01:04is in Britain, mainstream media actually features people like yourself. You're on mainstream media
01:12quite a lot there. In fact, I got a call from a friend this morning who said he was watching you
01:16a couple of days ago. So you're on all the time. So what do you think is going on?
01:21I love it. As I said, I've been writing about this for decades and it's only been in the last
01:26four or five years, I think, that there's real openness. And I think Gaia's playing a part in
01:31that. As I said, so many people know you, Regina, now. Yeah, when I'm over there, quite a few people
01:36do recognize me in the street. And watch it. And yes, just the day before, I flew out to come for
01:42this interview. I was on ITV this morning talking about afterlife signs, the phone-in, and I do many
01:47dream phone-ins for them. And also manifesting phone-ins, all sorts of things on BBC radio too.
01:54There is genuine open-mindedness about this now. I love it. We don't have that yet in the U.S.,
02:01not with mainstream media. Because the perception in the U.K. is the opposite. They think that, oh,
02:06in America, they are interesting that you think... Mainstream media does not go there yet here.
02:12Not yet. No, in fact, they'll actually, if someone tries to bring that stuff up, they'll
02:16generally, they'll chide them a bit and they'll be poking fun and it's very uncomfortable to watch.
02:24That's still there. I am told before I go on, keep it balanced. Talk about belief, whatever,
02:29if you've got scientific studies. And that's what I'm kind of known for because I work with scientists
02:33and neuroscientists and psychologists. So I do try and bring that in and say, perhaps, you know,
02:39we don't know for sure. I do always when I'm doing...
02:42You modify it, but nonetheless, the people are watching you and you're invited back
02:45because people like hearing the information. So, no, Britain is more open than the U.S.
02:51Wow. I will go back and tell them that.
02:53Please do. Please do. Yeah. With mainstream, absolutely. So, first of all, okay, that crazy
02:59little thing that I read at the beginning.
03:01I think that was Edgar Cayce, actually. I think I'm quoting from...
03:04From Edgar Cayce, yes.
03:05Yes. So, I want to get into the notion of that and multiple timelines and actual reverse time.
03:12Yes.
03:12So, let's talk about everything happening in this moment has already occurred.
03:18Yes.
03:18The concept, because this might be quite a relief to some people.
03:24So, let's talk about it.
03:25Well, it's already happened, you know, in a potential future that I may have had a month or so ago.
03:30Well, certainly, I knew I was coming to Gaia. I would have visualized and imagined this.
03:34So, I've been there and my, you know, I'm talking, you know, my future self's already
03:39here, looking back on this interview as well. I firmly believe that time is not linear.
03:46Everything's happening all at once. And the reason we experience it in a linear way is
03:51because our brains can't cope with it in any other way. But there's so much fascinating research
03:56out there right now showing how the future can affect the past. The past can impact the future,
04:02obviously. And in the present, it's all swirling around this infinite possibility. And that's why
04:07dreams are so powerful for getting a glimpse of the future before it happens. Because in the world
04:13of dreams, as you know, it is infinite possibility. We've got rid of our ego. We've got rid of our logic.
04:19We've got rid of our reason. We've got rid of our doubts and fears often as well. And in that state,
04:25we can actually see the future playing out. But that word potential, it is always a potential
04:32future. And that's where dreams, again, are so powerful. Because if you don't like the future,
04:38you see, like if I had a dream of this interview, and it was a disaster.
04:42There's a chance for a redo.
04:46Well, no, I can then in the daydreaming state, reimagine that and then create a different future
04:51that I'm more likely to attract. If I put my faith and my passion in it, I do believe that
04:57what we feel about our future tends to be what we attract. And also, here's really interesting. I
05:04don't know if you're aware of this new branch of study, which shows that when the future is viewed
05:09with feelings of unconditional love, it's more likely to be attracted that way. Also,
05:16when you view your future or yourself or others with feelings of unconditional love,
05:21consciousness expands, psychic abilities expand. That's a really, really powerful message. So if
05:27people listening are getting anything out of this interview at all, when you think about your future,
05:33get rid of those pesky doubts and fears. Please, you have the power. Think of it with unconditional
05:38love about yourself and other people, and you're much more likely to attract it.
05:43Well, that makes sense because it's such a finite frequency. There's no density to it. You can move
05:48with it more freely, I would think. So when we're looking at dreams of the future, for example,
05:53I think many, many people watching this have precognitive dreams, as you do and as I do.
05:57So when you have a dream, for example, that a spaceship's going to blow up the next day or the
06:02stock market's going to crash, those are some of the dreams I've had. And then, of course,
06:05it happens the next day. Now I'm getting back to that negative time. Has it already happened?
06:11Yes, it has. It's already occurred. It's already occurred. And you've kind of had a dress rehearsal,
06:18a threat rehearsal, often to know what to do. In a way, your dreaming mind is preparing you
06:24for outcomes that are not favorable, to give you a heads up. So that when you've been there before,
06:31you can deal with it better. You've faced the worst case scenario. And that's the power of dreaming.
06:36Often people write to me and say, I'm so worried. I dreamt a loved one died, or this happened,
06:40or that happened, or I was buried alive, all these disaster scenarios. And I'm saying,
06:44what it's doing is it's trying to help you, give you a rehearsal, an opportunity to rehearse the
06:51worst case scenario. That's basic psychology self-help, isn't it? If you can deal with the
06:55worst case scenario, you can deal with anything. And you have dealt with it before in the dream state.
07:00So if, and it's still an if because it's a potential future, it happens in the waking state.
07:05You've been there before, right? This is not a dry run.
07:08You can make the outcome more favorable.
07:13So that gets us into the notion of free will and to what creates actual outcome. So here we have
07:20dreams that many people have at the same time. So we're saying on one hand, if you do not look at
07:26time as something and anything other than just kind of an infinity loop of sorts,
07:31this thing has already occurred. On another level, we might be looking at potentials building momentum.
07:40Yes.
07:41And it hasn't reached its, it hasn't culminated to its full point yet. And we might be tapping into
07:47the dream when it's just a mounting potential.
07:51Yes. And then the power is ours collectively and personally to change that momentum. If we don't
07:58like the direction it's headed in, there is tremendous power in collective consciousness.
08:03The more of us are working with our dreams and altering these disaster scenarios in the future.
08:10There is plenty of research to say that this can change outcomes.
08:14I wish people would look into the research. It's fascinating. We do have so much power within us
08:20to change what we are attracting. We are getting a clear trailer for our future every night in our
08:28dreams.
08:28So we have the habit of waking up and people get into their apps to see if someone's texted overnight or
08:35what the news has to say. You're saying bad idea. Let's, let's talk about how you start your day and
08:41what would be ideal for humanity.
08:43Well, I wish everybody would start their day. First of all, naturally wake up naturally without an
08:48alarm. And you can train yourself to do that because you are putting yourself right in the driver's seat
08:53of your life. And the very moment you become conscious, it's very important because otherwise an
08:58alarm is dictating what happens for the rest of the day. You know, it's so funny because I will set an
09:03alarm like when I'm here at Gaia. But I always wake up two to three minutes before the alarm anyway.
09:10I mean, I never set an alarm otherwise because you're being will tap into. It knows what time it
09:15is. It knows when to start nudging you awake. And it's so harsh when we wake up to an alarm.
09:21Well, it's equivalent to a mini stroke I've heard.
09:23Oh my God. It is. It's horrible.
09:26And also it puts you at the mercy of your alarm and shows you that you're not in control of your life.
09:30Externals are. Yes. And the spiritual journey, the personal and spiritual journey is all about
09:35inside out power, not outside in.
09:37Well, and it shocks you to the extent you can't remember your dreams too.
09:40Yeah, absolutely. And it's like if you wake up naturally, it's like putting a key in the
09:45ignition of a car. It starts everything. So start everything right. It's so powerful,
09:49those early morning moments. And then just keep still and luxuriate in waking up to this amazing
09:57world that we get an opportunity, this earth school that we live in every morning and send
10:02love to every part of your body. Really just send healing love and light to every part of your body.
10:09Do that for one or two minutes and then start asking your inner world, your unconscious,
10:14your soul, your spirit, whatever word you want to use. What dreams? How do I feel? Show me.
10:20Give me some messages. Give me some heads up. What do I need to work on for my personal growth?
10:26And almost always when you do that, when you have that gentle start for the day, just two or three
10:32minutes, memories will bubble to the surface. Try and keep still as well because any movement will
10:37jettison those dreams right outside. Oh boy, does it? If you're on your side and roll to your back,
10:41gone. Dream's gone. It's like, oh no, I'll roll back. Too late.
10:45If you can't remember anything, just ask how you feel. And ask your body. If you can't remember
10:51anything, check in with your gut, your second brain that is your gut and your heart. There's
10:56wisdom there and research on precognition shows that that's the very first place when we're awake.
11:02I mean, precognition when we're awake is much rarer because we've got too much distraction.
11:06But when we are precognitive when awake, it's always the body that knows before we do.
11:11Absolutely. But in the dream state, of course, the body's asleep. We're pure intuition. That's
11:17why most precognitions happen. I would say about 95 plus precognitions happen in the dream state for
11:23that reason, because we haven't got material distractions. However, in the waking state,
11:28we get that gut instinct. There's a reason we have that word. It's in the body. And of course,
11:33that's going to happen at night too. So if you can't remember any of your dreams, check in with
11:36your body first thing. That's why I said, send healing love to every part of your body.
11:40See what your gut's trying to tell you, what your heart's trying to tell you about the day ahead.
11:45And then write in your journal how you feel. It doesn't have to take long. We've all got busy
11:50lives. And I know, Regina, you're always rushing all over the place. And I'm sure a lot of people
11:54listening are too. We haven't got time in the morning to do all this meditating, you know,
11:59these two-hour meditations that people sometimes recommend. Who's got time for that?
12:02It's just a few minutes course correcting in the morning and doing something slightly different
12:08from alarm goes off, get out of bed, check my phone. Please don't do that. You do yourself a
12:14great disservice. And you will notice your life change radically if you change that. And it will
12:20change in a couple of weeks. You will feel better. You will feel more in charge. And keep that,
12:26that I'm in charge of my day feeling going for the first half an hour when you get dressed,
12:31when you shower, when you have your breakfast or whatever your morning routine is. Just think
12:35about how you feel, not necessarily what you've got to do with the day ahead, but how you feel,
12:40what dream memories come.
12:43Well, let me ask you a question about that because that's one thing I've always understood about dreams
12:47is we may each dream about the same scenario, but it's about the way you feel within the dream
12:54that matters. Even if you're all seeing the same thing, it means something different to each of us.
12:59So is it possible, for example, as you say, when you come back and you are remembering feeling how
13:06you felt, you're maintaining that feeling that you might be able to use that feeling to remember your
13:13way back to the dream?
13:14Absolutely. That will trigger some memory and it could be just a word or a symbol or a person.
13:22As soon as that comes to mind, please write it down, right? And then you can brainstorm symbolic
13:28associations around that. And why are feelings so important? Well, of course they are because how you
13:33feel unconsciously, which is in the dream state, you're seeing your unconscious feeling, is what you tend
13:39to attract in your waking life. Because in our waking life, we often tell ourselves stories.
13:44We convince ourselves that, you know, this doesn't matter. That doesn't matter. We deny, repress.
13:49That's just what happens when we're awake. And we have to, because we have to be practical. We're in
13:53this world for practical reasons. You know, we've got to get on with our life. But in the dream state,
13:59we get a chance to see how we really feel about the state of our soul, not the state of our nation,
14:04the state of our soul. And that's the most important thing, because dreams don't lie.
14:08How you feel about yourself in the inside out is what you tend to attract in your waking life.
14:14It matters.
14:16So let's talk, because we're talking about a little bit of precognition.
14:21There's something called precognition boosting. It's a practice of some sort. By the way,
14:27I wish we had this stack of them out here. I cannot believe how many books you've written
14:31in the last year. Do you ever sleep?
14:34I love it.
14:34I know you're passionate about what you do.
14:37I do.
14:37And there's just so much gold in each of these books. Let's get into the notion of precognitive
14:43boosting.
14:45Precognitive boosting. Well, the first thing you can do is to write down your dreams. As I said,
14:49the majority of precognitions will happen in the dream state because you are pure intuition.
14:55Precognition, for want of a better word. I actually think intuition, sixth sense, all this
14:59is actually precognition, just a different name for the same thing. They have subtle differences,
15:04clairvoyance, et cetera. So write down your dreams. The second thing is hindsight. Please go back to
15:11your dreams from three or four days prior, because that tends to be when déjà rêvé, a dream,
15:16remember, happened. It's usually two or three days that it takes to manifest in your waking life.
15:20Oh, I've noticed that.
15:21So go back in hindsight. And then as soon as you get a hit, and you will get a precognitive hit,
15:27whether it is a symbol, a person you're in touch with, a conversation, or an emotion and a mindset,
15:34ring it in red and say, this is my proof that I'm a precognitive being. Because you've got to prove to
15:39yourself first, because we've been so conditioned to believe that we are not. We've been conditioned to
15:44believe that, you know, we are rational beings. It's not logical. But you need to prove to yourself
15:50that you are a precognitive being. And just to go on a bit of a tangent here, I do tend to do that.
15:56I like your tangent.
15:57You're actually going with the natural flow of your brain when you're precognitive. Our brains are
16:02hardwired to be precognitive. The mysterious butterflies of the brains seek patterns, seek
16:09out the future. And it's such a shame that we've been told that the natural flow of our brains is where
16:15we shouldn't go. We've been told to fight that and repress it. Study after study shows now that our brains
16:21are natural time-traveling machines. So actually, when you're working with your dreams precognitive,
16:28you're doing what your brain loves. Your brain will thank you for it. It's the relief. It gets me.
16:34We're going with the flow now. So prove to yourself, first of all, you need that first
16:38precognitive hit. That's what I call it. And then more and more will filter through.
16:42Also, when you have a dream, whatever you dream about, it doesn't matter whether it's a color,
16:47a situation, a person, try within reason and safely to meet an aspect of that dream in your
16:55waking life. Like, for example, if you saw roses in your dream, buy yourself a bunch of roses and just
17:00have a sacred moment when you reconnect that your dreaming mind and your waking mind are having this
17:05moment of connection and recognition, that they are one.
17:09And like you say, and symbols and colors as well.
17:12Absolutely.
17:12Yes.
17:13Anything like that. To just show, basically during the day, dreaming mind, I noticed. I know that
17:19you're talking to me and I'm taking you seriously because that's what the dreaming mind wants. It
17:24craves your attention and to be taken seriously. It has got very depressed over the years being
17:29dismissed, ridiculed, just a dream, which I say time and time again, I'm on a mission to obliterate
17:35that.
17:36Please do. And especially when parents say to their kids, oh, no, honey, it was just a dream.
17:41So much damage is done.
17:42By the time we're three and can talk and share these things, it's done.
17:46Tell Einstein that. Imagination is more important than knowledge. You know, so much of his world-changing
17:52theories came from the dream state. And actually, if you do look in the creative, you know,
17:57creative minds, dreaming is at the fore. It gives them that brainstorming insight.
18:03Oh, yeah. Einstein, Schweitzer, and a lot of them, they dreamt a lot of their formulations.
18:07Because you can't in the waking state, Regina, you can't in the waking state make connections
18:10between two things that in the waking state you'd think, well, that's preposterous. However,
18:15in the dream state, nothing is out of bounds. You can make connections in different areas
18:19of your life, in different walks of life that you would never dream, to forgive the pun,
18:24of doing when you're awake. That's why dreams are so powerful.
18:27Because the only thing missing is logic and reason. And when that happens, you can quite
18:32literally fly. And that's why world-changing theories, inventions, discoveries have happened
18:39in the dream state.
18:41Absolutely. And of course, that's the world of artists, too.
18:44Artists, yes.
18:45So let's get into something that is, for some people, very, very uncomfortable. You're doing
18:49some incredible things with it. The subject of nightmares. Because you look at nightmares
18:54quite differently. Well, this is what led me to jump right into that. You think of color.
19:00Now, if you have a dream that's soaked in, you know, a blackish red blood, you don't need
19:05to go out and get that and invest it into your daily life. That's a little different.
19:10It's different than a pretty rose.
19:11Safely and within reason when I say live the dream.
19:12So let's talk about nightmares. I have many questions. One of them is, is there a greater
19:21occurrence of nightmares occurring at this point in time that you're aware of? Because
19:25the world seems to be in a much more dangerous position than it was even a year or two ago.
19:31Yeah. Whenever I do a phone in in the UK, a national phone in, I know that the next day
19:38or even the same day, my message box will be flooded with people wanting understanding
19:43of their dreams. And 98, 99% of those dreams are anxiety, nightmare ones. And I haven't
19:50had that before. When I used to do the odd bit of media in the past, there were more happier
19:54dreams about dancing, singing, flying. But it does tend to be a lot of anxiety at the moment
20:00because the world is in a really, really complicated state. But I always try and reassure every single
20:06person who writes to me or asks me about nightmares that this is a sign of awakening because we are
20:12going deep into your shadow side, what is repressed and denied. You need to go through this darkness
20:18before the awakening, before the dawn. Just go through it with love for yourself and understanding
20:24for yourself because there are aspects of yourself that you are not addressing and you really,
20:29really need to for your personal and spiritual growth. And I always reassure them that almost all dreams
20:35are symbolic in reenactments of your mindset. They are not literal. But then again, dreams don't like to
20:42be confined. You do get the odd occurrence when dreams are literal. They do have a stunningly
20:47precognitive. Yes. And when that happens, there's nothing you could have done to change that future.
20:52It was meant to be. People often feel guilty when they've had a precognitive dream and it does play
20:57out and it's negative for themselves or others. And they think, could I have avoided it? Well, you can
21:02speak to the person involved or yourself and maybe try and make changes. But if it's meant to be, it will
21:08happen. So we take this notion of these challenging times. We take the notion of chaos. Yeah. And that it
21:15creates a stressor on the being, psycho-spiritually. Yeah. A stressor. So it is going to help us reveal
21:22to ourselves what has yet to come to the surface and be healed. So it's actually functioning just
21:27like the nightmare is functioning to literally give you access to a part of yourself that's been
21:33unseen to yourself. Transformative gift. Opportunity to course correct as well. Because if you don't like
21:40how you feel on waking, we have the now, the present. Yes, the future is swirling around and
21:46already happening, but these are all potentials. You can change the future you are currently attracting
21:52with this mindset. Because a nightmare is symbolizing something in your waking life that
21:58your intuition has noticed, your heart has noticed, but you haven't. You've been repressing
22:03or denying it. But in the dream state, the intuition is saying enough is enough. I have to shock you now
22:09because I've tried to tell you before with gentle dreams of berries and butterflies and you've just
22:13not noticed. Right. So one thing's about nightmares, they're wonderful because you remember them and
22:18you immediately reach for your journal or Google or a book. Or one of your books, what does this mean?
22:24But the best person to interpret really is you. I write books simply to kickstart symbolic thinking,
22:29but I always tell people, you know, deep down, brainstorm. And as Jung said, the master of dream
22:36interpretation, I really, really respected Jung because his dream theory is really, really empowering.
22:43You just keep that dream on your mind and sooner or later, an insight will bubble. Just let it,
22:49let it fester there. Let it stay there. And in a couple of days, you will find that you get
22:54an aha moment, a eureka moment. You say, I get it. And if you don't, in the odd occasion that you don't,
23:01just think, well, my dreaming mind knows and the work is being done undercover. My dreaming mind
23:06has got my best interests at heart. It really has. And it's doing the work undercover, whether that be
23:12cathartic or it's simply trying to sort things out and it's trying to work it out for you.
23:17Right.
23:17And that's what I always say about dreams. It's a night, it's a long-term relationship. It's not a
23:22one night stand. Right.
23:23You've got to sleep with your dreams every single night, passionately, truly madly and deeply to get
23:30their message. Don't just get hung up on one dream. Please tune in for the next gripping
23:34installment of you.
23:36And, and also even nightmares. And I want to bring this up because I fall, I knew into a more
23:41anomalous category, but nightmares are a matter of perception. What can happen in a dream to one
23:48person that is horrifying is not at all horrifying to another? It's like, and I'm going to give one
23:54example because I don't have nightmares, but I've had some challenging dreams. One of them. Um, and I
24:00may have mentioned this last time we were together, but it's worth mentioning again. Um, the plane's
24:06going down. You know, I'm on planes a fair amount. It's going down. Nothing's going to stop it. And it's
24:11like, my thought is crap. I didn't think it was ending today, you know? And it's like, and then
24:18suddenly my optimistic mind hopped in and said, you know what? You were always afraid to skydive.
24:24Now you'll know what it feels like to free fall. You got about 10 seconds to feel the gift of free
24:30fall before it's over. So I just kind of let go and experienced as a free fall.
24:36The thing is though, Regina, it's interesting. Very interesting. You say that you don't have
24:40nightmares. Um, but I mean, someone would say that's a horrible nightmare. Yeah, but you've
24:44learned. And obviously with the work you do, you're kind of like your life's a waking dream.
24:49You're talking about the unconscious, the inner world daily, day in, day out. And most of us don't
24:56do that. So you are having an opportunity to deal with your nightmares, deal with your shadow in
25:01plain sight. Okay. That's a good point. And so I bring this up because I know there are people
25:06watching this that have a similar kind of experience who are steeped in all of this,
25:11who question when something's out of balance, you question and say, oh, I was a bit of a jerk.
25:15I could have handled that differently. But if you're doing that constantly in your daily life,
25:20just kind of keeping a check on yourself and keeping it in balance, it probably doesn't need
25:24to play out as nightmarish. I love this. Thank you so much for this. Cause that's the natural
25:29extension of precognitive dream work in that you start. And I always encourage people to do that
25:33at the end really, the program when I work with them is that now your life is the waking dream.
25:39Interpret every person you meet as a dream, as, as if it was a dream. What is this trying to teach
25:46me? Where am I reflecting? Where am I repressing? What is this person teaching me about myself?
25:52And we begin to realize that we are all one. And that's why I love dream work so much,
25:56because it shows that we are not alone. A lot of people feel alone sometimes what we're not once we
26:01spiritually awaken, because we realize that we are all one. And that when we dream,
26:09everything in the dream is a symbol of our mindset. And that you can do that in your waking life.
26:15Like if you someone triggers you, why? What is it within you that you need to learn? If someone says
26:21something you don't like, when have I done that to myself? If someone's not truthful, when am I not
26:26being truthful to myself, it's a really magical way to live. And it also has you, it's very connecting
26:31because you have great empathy for other people as well, because you know, they're going through
26:34their own inside out drama to in less judgmental. You're less critical, because you know, we're all
26:41on this path of understanding that we are dreaming beings having a human experience. And that's the most
26:48uniting force in the world. We're souls. A soul's not a part of us. A lot of people think dreams are
26:55a part of us. We are a soul. I mean, I love that Einstein once said, the greatest thing in the world
27:01we can experience is the mysterious. That's not the greatest thing. We are mystery. Sorry not to
27:06criticize Einstein. But I know what he was saying, but we are the mystery. It's not something we
27:11experience. We are living it. Yes. And our daily lives are a magical opportunity to learn about
27:18ourselves. Such a precious gift. Every single day, suck every bit of meaning out of it. See the
27:26invisible strings that are weaving together like a tapestry all the time. And then when you fall asleep
27:31and dream, you'll get a comment on all that. I mean, you don't change. When you fall asleep and dream,
27:36you're still the same person. You just see. That's making me think about my dream last night. So
27:41I end up in this dream where I'm somewhere and I've purchased this really eccentric chess board.
27:48I mean, the pieces on it are like old cut glass goblets for some of the pieces and all different
27:55strange things. Yes, but that's what occurred to me is, I thought, hey, why did I buy this? Because
28:00I don't have anywhere I can put it. I haven't played chess in 40 years. But what I just remembered
28:05is at the end of it, I thought, maybe you need to learn to play chess again. And then I thought,
28:12what you're just saying, maybe there's something about bringing about the need for some real strategic
28:18thinking that's coming up. And I would have just blown past that.
28:22There is a tendency sometimes when you're deep in this work to get trapped in your head and all ideas and
28:28brainstorming and everything and not to actually walk the talk and have a strategy and a plan.
28:34Yeah, there may be something coming up that requires actual, real strategy.
28:39Yeah, and precision.
28:40Planning.
28:40There we go. Okay.
28:41But of course, in chess, everything turns on a move.
28:44Yes.
28:44But you can plan it and then the opponent can throw a curveball. And that's really precognitive
28:49dreaming again.
28:50Again, it's course-correcting constantly.
28:53Well, I didn't write it down, but I will now.
28:55Please write it down.
28:55Okay, now there's something really... Go ahead.
28:57No, sorry.
28:57Please write it down your dreams.
28:58Everyone listening, please.
29:00Okay. The healing power of dreams.
29:03Now, this you've written about in one of your books, and you started with a very personal
29:08story.
29:08Yeah.
29:09I've noticed this with people with dementia too.
29:13Yes.
29:13Dementia is a third dimensional thing.
29:15Yeah.
29:16It is not a soul thing. It's not a higher mind thing for whatever reason it occurs. So
29:21let's talk about interfacing with people whose memories are going and cognitive function is
29:28going and tell us your story and how dreams can be so beneficial.
29:32They can, because the last five or six years, I've kind of not been too public about this.
29:37It's deeply personal. My husband has suffered serious cognitive decline, and it's dramatically
29:42worse at the moment. There's been denial and everything. And I have sometimes been on my
29:48knees with despair thinking, why can't love heal? You know, I believe in all this spiritual
29:53stuff. Why can't I help him? He's going through this. His soul is slowly leaving his body.
30:00I don't recognize the person now that I have, you know, is like a vulnerable child, three-year-old
30:05that I have to care for. And one of my books, actually, the genesis of it, The Dream Cure,
30:11was I fell asleep and prayed for help from my dreaming mind to help me. And what happened
30:18the next morning is I had like a thousand and one dreams on my mind. It was like my brain
30:24was on fire. And some of those dreams led to book titles or whatever. But what it showed
30:31me, it was a reminder again, I have the strength. I can turn this pain into purpose. I am being
30:37called to be, to evolve. Because maybe I've got too comfortable. I mean, I do think that
30:42sometimes people, dementia or whatever, that the people around them, they're calling them
30:47to grow. I have to find more unconditional love. I have to find more patience. I have
30:52to find more understanding.
30:53Compassion, everything.
30:54I've written about all these things, but have I just been theorizing?
30:58Right.
30:58Have I, now I'm having to really, at this grand old age in my life, and I now have to find...
31:03And many people watching are going through this with loved ones?
31:05Yeah, I have to find inner strength. And dream work helps because when I feel low, and I do,
31:10I am reminded that I have an inner power, an inner world. And that world is strong and
31:18powerful and infinite and loving. And I will pull through it. I will transcend this. And
31:24all I can do at the moment, I've kind of let go of the desire to control as well. Because
31:28you do think, I can fix this. I can fix this. We all think we can fix this. I've had to let
31:33go, like you said with your planes, Dream. I've had to let go. This is out of my hands. This
31:38is, in a way, his drama. My role is the carer, and it's a privilege to do that, to try and help
31:45him as much as I can. I've had to let go and just reach deep for an unconditional love I didn't
31:51think I had. And in the process, awaken more, because life is constant growth and awakening.
31:59But then there's this beauty of dreams which are connecting in with their soul.
32:04Yes.
32:04Whole different story. So let's talk about the other layer of people who may know someone
32:10or be very close to a dear person who's losing their potential, their mental faculties, so
32:16to speak, and suffering from dementia. You can dream with them.
32:20You can. Actually, this was pointed out. This is amazing synchronicity that a couple of months
32:24ago I was connected to Robert Hoss, whose wife also is suffering from this, and he's very open
32:28about it. And he lucid dreams, and he talks to her in the lucid dream state. And he was encouraging
32:33me to try and do the same. I haven't yet been able to achieve it, but watch this space.
32:37I have dreamt about my husband, but in the dreams, I'm not able to talk to him. He's very much
32:45like, often the dreams I have about him, that I'm losing him, which is so symbolic, isn't
32:49it? I can't find him. Where's he gone?
32:51That kind of dream.
32:52But I'm working towards, and I will get there when I can actually have a conversation with
32:57his soul that I can't have in waking life now. And I think lucid dream work, it's been
33:02proven with veterans, hasn't it? And people suffering incredible trauma that they can heal
33:08it in the lucid dream state. And I'm sure, actually, it could be used for carers of people
33:13with dementia, Parkinson, all these regular diseases, that you can actually have a connection
33:19in spirit with a loved one.
33:23And that goes for people who you've not just lost through dementia, but whom we may have
33:28lost in our lives, who may have, for whatever reason, chosen to leave our lives. A lot of
33:34families are being fractured now. It's epidemic, where particularly, it's almost always the grown
33:42kids pulling away from their parents and say, we don't want anything to do with you anymore.
33:45And taking their kids, the grandkids, and leaving. And it is becoming epidemic.
33:49Heartbreaking. I get a lot of people writing to me, but they can't see their grandkids.
33:53Oh, this is, I know so many people.
33:55Disagree with their views or their lifestyle or whatever. And it's a symptom of so many people
34:02in the world are still external. They're getting their validation and their meaning from the old
34:09way of, you know, job, career, popularity, money, all these things. And if they fall in that trap,
34:18sometimes they can turn against their parents if their parents are not like that. And I've seen it
34:24happen time and time again. And it just, it breaks my heart. But as I said, these children are on their
34:31own journey. And it's all for their soul evolution. And the parents, all the parents can do, I think we were
34:39talking earlier, is send unconditional love and hope that one day.
34:46I agree. But they do show up in your dreams oftentimes.
34:49They do.
34:50And then you can be normal together for a moment. Or you can talk it over. Or you can see maybe where they are in their own
34:57journey. Are they withdrawn and angry? Are they open and wanting to connect again in the dream time?
35:03I mean, I've been experiencing that.
35:05Absolutely.
35:06And so you can connect with people who are lost to you in your waking hours in the third dimension.
35:12If some people, you know, are in your heart, but they can't be in your life for whatever reason,
35:17dream about them. Because on some level, on some energetic level, where it's the Akashic realms or
35:23the, you know, the realm of spirit, you can, they will sense that healing. They will sense that
35:29connection. And I always tell people as well who fall out with each other, instead of, you know,
35:35stressing about it, worrying about it, or getting angry about it, to try something different, send them
35:40love. And you will notice a difference. You will, if only within yourself.
35:45With only within dreams.
35:46And with only within yourself as well, that you, you let go of that, that need to control
35:50what is, you cannot control what other people think or feel. And it is a big error to think that you,
35:56you ever can. All you can do is show up with integrity and honesty, humility and unconditional
36:02love. And an open mind. That's the best thing you can do for yourself, for others and the planet.
36:08The more of us do that, the, the, the more of a beautiful world it will be. And I believe
36:14your future human, that amazing book that I do.
36:16Oh, thank you. And Lee and I did. Yes.
36:18Yeah. You talk about that all the time. That's the way to show up for the future. That's the
36:22potential future that you want to attract you and Lee through the work you've done. And that's the
36:27potential future that I'm doing everything in my power, whether it's writing books, doing media,
36:33flying here, to have the blessing to talk to Gaia, who see the good in people. Everywhere I am,
36:40I'm trying to spread that message. There is healing power in unconditional love. Love is
36:46the greatest force in the world. It can transcend time and space, perhaps even life, death, hate,
36:54evil itself.
36:55You know, because you've written so many books and because we can only talk, we're just touching
37:00on a couple of them. There's another one you've done, but you talk in it about the relationship
37:06between souls who travel together, ray or twin flame soul that may have split apart at one point,
37:13depending on the philosophy you buy into. Yeah. And is journeying as male, female, different timelines,
37:18comes back together with all this experience into an integrated being. But the dreaming in that state,
37:24and I'm only setting this up for next time you fly here.
37:27Twin flames.
37:27Yes, twin flames, because we're almost...
37:29I've got a whole new take on that.
37:31I know you do. So what I wanted to state right now is that I want to do a whole show on all of
37:37that with you.
37:38And my novel.
37:39In the future.
37:40I've got a novel as well. I've written a first novel.
37:42Okay, we're going to talk about that. But before we go, we still have time for one more subject,
37:47and that is dreamscaping.
37:50Yes.
37:50Yes.
37:51Love it. Like landscaping is that you can do it. I mean, basically, it's dream incubation.
37:56It's before you go to sleep at night, writing a letter of intention, either with your thoughts
38:02or with words, of what you want to dream about, or what question you want answered.
38:08Bearing in mind that answers aren't going to bring you fulfillment.
38:13More and more questions will come because your growth is in asking the questions,
38:17and in what understanding you come.
38:19But you can do that.
38:20It's just before you go to sleep at night, ask your dreaming mind a question.
38:25Say, show me, help me understand what I need to do for my future personal and spiritual growth.
38:32Your dreaming mind will love that conversation, and it will deliver.
38:36Trust it. Believe in it.
38:38Give it a little time. It may not happen the first day.
38:40No. Especially, it depends on your upbringing and your beliefs.
38:44I suspect your listeners, a lot of them are very tuned into their intuition and their dreaming mind.
38:48So it will be much easier.
38:50But we tend to not think we have any control over our dreams.
38:53We do have a certain amount of control.
38:56I always equate it to being a sailor.
39:00You can learn to sail the seas, but you can never really control the seas or the ocean.
39:06Yes.
39:06You can learn.
39:06It's like, you know, what dream incubation and lucid dreaming give you is, if you're in a canoe, it gives you the oar.
39:13Yes. Yes.
39:14Very good. Thank you for that.
39:16But, you know, but still, the ocean is a mystery that you can never completely control or understand.
39:21But you can learn to navigate it.
39:23Yes.
39:23And all these techniques are.
39:25And I'm telling you, when you do, life becomes so interesting.
39:29You suddenly think, you wake up and I think, oh, it's interesting.
39:33Why did I dream about that?
39:36I had a couple of weeks ago, I kept dreaming of Hugh Bonneville.
39:39And I'd never watched the Paddington movies.
39:41That's why I brought you a Paddington bear.
39:42I love the little Paddington bear.
39:43And I love the message of that.
39:45And I always just missed it.
39:45Oh, it's a nonsense movie.
39:47And it's really good because Paddington sees the good.
39:49And everything is so sweet and gentle.
39:51And he's humble and sweet and open.
39:53I love my little bear.
39:54And he's going to go right next to my little gnome.
39:57And he's telling me, come on.
39:59Because sometimes I get disillusioned with the UK.
40:00I think, oh, we're a bit cynical.
40:02Things are going wrong.
40:03And I think, well, no, the UK produced that.
40:05Absolutely.
40:06There's dreaming minds behind it.
40:07And it's putting people like you on mainstream TV.
40:09Come on.
40:09Absolutely.
40:10Yeah, be thankful for that.
40:10And there's dreaming minds behind that.
40:12We have one more thing to talk about before we go here.
40:14And that is you've done your first work of fiction.
40:17And what's it called?
40:18Night Born.
40:19Night Born.
40:22This is exciting.
40:23And I'll tell you why I think it's so exciting.
40:25One, you have a great imagination.
40:26You know dreams inside, out, and backward.
40:28But it gives you a chance to talk about the things that are on the edgier side, which you can't necessarily put out.
40:36The publishers may not want you to put out in the books that you produce for the public.
40:40No, it's a bit more shocking.
40:42That's why.
40:43Yes.
40:43But it really is a novel of integration.
40:46It's dealing with the persona, the shadow, the anima, the animus, and how the main character deals with that.
40:54And as I said, I could.
40:55Give us the elevator pitch.
40:56The synopsis.
40:57Just the synopsis like on the back.
40:58It's just a fun experience.
40:59Yeah, I know.
41:00But just tell us about this character.
41:02A woman who wakes up in the morning and suddenly everybody's dreaming about her.
41:06Just imagine that.
41:07If you woke up and people say, oh my goodness, I saw you last night.
41:11I mean, that has been done before.
41:12But I thought that the way it was done, there wasn't enough importance given to dream work.
41:19You know, that scenario has happened before.
41:21So they're dreaming about her.
41:23And go ahead.
41:24There was a Nicolas Cage movie, I think, when everybody was dreaming about him.
41:26But it didn't explore the power of dream work.
41:29And I thought this is a missed opportunity.
41:30So I thought I'm going to do it from a female point of view, a reclusive psychology professor who's deep into young.
41:36So I had tremendous fun with it.
41:40I don't think it will win any literary awards.
41:42But it's a way also of reaching people.
41:44So I'm all about reaching different audiences.
41:46I love talking to people who aren't actually necessarily in tune with it.
41:52I do actually get a great, you know, I do a lot of BBC interviews as well where I have to be very balanced.
41:56And people are going to come with a skepticism.
41:58This was a way to maybe reach more mainstream.
42:02People who normally wouldn't read my non-fiction books.
42:04Because let's face it these days, you know, you've got Gaia, you've got wonderful interviews, you know, like you're doing all the time.
42:10I want to read your fiction book.
42:11I love where imagination boosts these concepts.
42:13The way reading is going now with the advent of AI and everything, there's so much material that people don't actually have to go to non-fiction books anymore to get the goods.
42:22But fiction is still something that someone who's maybe not drawn to the non-fiction will lean into.
42:29It engages the imagination.
42:30And go on a story, go on a, have a journey.
42:32Yeah.
42:32Yeah.
42:32So meanwhile, when you come back, we're going to get into the subject of twin flames, twin souls, dreaming together, and what all of this means.
42:41Okay.
42:42So, gosh, I hope you have lunch before you head back to London this afternoon.
42:46I will, Regina.
42:47And I look forward, and thank you for all you do and everyone at Gaia.
42:50I feel truly blessed.
42:51We're truly, we love having you here.
42:54Thank you, Teresa.
42:54Again, Teresa has many books, all of them incredibly useful.
42:59Just go to major booksellers to pick up a copy of Dreaming of Your Future, which we talked about today.
43:04You can also visit Teresa's site at TeresaChung.com.
43:08You can also catch up on our previous conversations here in the Gaia archives.
43:12Until next time, thank you for joining us here on Open Minds.
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