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00:00:00In Hull, 49-year-old Jonathan Huttie was assaulted in his own home.
00:00:12He died at 8.50 this morning.
00:00:14Tell me now I've got a murder investigation.
00:00:17A significant witness, Lauren Roundall, named three suspects.
00:00:21Dad ran past me and said,
00:00:23Give me what's going on, say.
00:00:25Have it up, mate.
00:00:26But he was late first down on the floor.
00:00:28I mean, he was one who stood over and we almost sat and so I thought that would happen.
00:00:32I think he's disgusting.
00:00:35Detectives investigated.
00:00:37He's got flicks there.
00:00:38Does that mean he's been in one position assaulted and then he's moved?
00:00:41And identified a motive.
00:00:43Oh, yes.
00:00:44Ian Smallley's bank card was stolen.
00:00:47He then blames our victim, Jonathan.
00:00:50They found incriminating CCTV of the three suspects.
00:00:54He's getting himself psyched.
00:00:55I wonder if this was them discussing what they're going to do.
00:00:58And potential forensic evidence.
00:01:00If we can find any of the suspects' DNA, there's no disproving that.
00:01:05It's evidence.
00:01:06But they still don't know who did what at the murder scene.
00:01:11Has there been some kind of argument?
00:01:12Knock on it.
00:01:13Has there been hit with something?
00:01:14Knock on it.
00:01:15We can't show conclusively who's had what to play in that.
00:01:19Actually determining who's done what is a whole different kettle of fish.
00:01:23Then, at a crucial moment, the investigation was hit by tragedy.
00:01:27Lauren Roundhill is dead.
00:01:30She took her own life over the weekend.
00:01:32Welcome, everyone.
00:01:43Detective Chief Inspector Ben Robinson, who's leading the murder investigation, has called
00:01:47the team together.
00:01:48Just a catch-up meeting.
00:01:51Some of the updates we've had on the last couple of days.
00:01:53Simon, if you want to lead, you've been to prison today.
00:01:56Two of the suspects, Gavin Leaning and Ian Smalley, are already in prison for unrelated
00:02:02offences.
00:02:04So I've just got back from the whole prison to visit the prison officer.
00:02:08The kind of headlines are what he's telling us, is that he's approached Gavin Leaning in
00:02:12the prison.
00:02:12Without prompting, Leaning has went on to make the following comments.
00:02:17Leon Smith and Ian Smalley were at my flat.
00:02:20Ian was raging because before the assault, he'd lost his credit card in his flat.
00:02:24He, the victim, Mr. Huttis, letting others spend money on the card.
00:02:29Ian found out the card had been used and was going to assault him as payback.
00:02:34And they knew that Huttis had just been paid his disability benefit, so the intention was
00:02:39to rob him of that.
00:02:41He goes on to say that me, Leon Smith and Ian Smalley all left the flat and went down to
00:02:47Mr. Huttis, but then I went outside.
00:02:50So he's saying that he, despite going down the lift with the other two, before they went
00:02:55into the scene, he left.
00:02:57He goes on to say, Leon Smith and Ian Smalley went into his flat and assaulted him.
00:03:02Smalley took it too far.
00:03:04Leon didn't stop him and they had no control over Smalley to stop him.
00:03:07Did he say that they had discussed in the flat that they were, the three of them were going
00:03:13to go down and assault?
00:03:15Yeah, as payback with his rights.
00:03:17That's really good.
00:03:18That they know they're all going down to do it.
00:03:20And if that's what they're saying, he is part of that joint enterprise of going to commit
00:03:25a violent assault on Huttis.
00:03:27Despite Gavin Leaning claiming he wasn't present at the attack, knowing it was going to take
00:03:35place means he could still be charged with murder.
00:03:39He will think that by saying what he's saying, he's putting the blame on Smalley, a solicitor
00:03:45would tell him, you say that and you're as guilty as he is.
00:03:48Yeah.
00:03:49Lauren Roundall, the significant witness, had previously told detectives it was Gavin Leaning
00:03:55who blamed the theft of the bank card on the victim.
00:03:59Gav has took Smalley outside of Gav's flat, said, put his purse to the bank card.
00:04:07Should we deal with that issue next?
00:04:08We might as well.
00:04:09The bank card.
00:04:09Yeah.
00:04:10We identified the failed transactions at Sewell's garage.
00:04:15Police have been analysing CCTV to establish who was using the card.
00:04:20Was it the victim, as Gavin Leaning suggests?
00:04:23The fella in the cap who was actually using the card.
00:04:29Most of the footage, he's got his head down and he's got this flat cap on.
00:04:34Now, if I had to put a bet on it, that's Gavin Leaning's custody footage.
00:04:42Jesus, that's Gavin.
00:04:43Yeah.
00:04:47That's, you'd say that's him there?
00:04:49Yeah, I think so.
00:04:51This here, that's not his moustache.
00:04:55That is the way his mouth forms, which is there.
00:04:59His nose is wide.
00:05:01You look at that picture and you go, yeah, that's Gavin Leaning.
00:05:03Yeah.
00:05:04The CCTV images suggest that the victim, Jonathan Hutty, had nothing to do with the theft of the bank card.
00:05:11The whole reason for this assault was that Leaning blamed our victim for using the bank card.
00:05:18He's in the garage and he is presenting that card to buy products.
00:05:22Then there he is using the bank card.
00:05:24Exactly what he then blames our victim for doing.
00:05:28Detectives have been waiting on the results of forensic tests performed on the clothing they believe the suspects were wearing on the night of the attack.
00:05:39Hello, Ben Robinson speaking.
00:05:41The scientist has completed her preliminary exam, so she's going to provide us with a verbal update.
00:05:48Okay.
00:05:48Results are being returned on two of the three suspects, Gavin Leaning and Ian Smalley.
00:05:54I feel a bit nervous.
00:05:56That's a key point for us in the investigation.
00:05:58We're looking for blood from Jonathan Hutty found on their footwear and clothing, which then supports they were present during the assault.
00:06:07If no blood is found on Gavin Leaning's clothing, it will add strength to his account that he was elsewhere during the attack.
00:06:15It will be a major blow if the forensics come back and they don't have Jonathan Hutty's blood on.
00:06:20Cheers for the update.
00:06:22Bye.
00:06:26Smalley and Leaning are definitely in the scene when our victim is bleeding.
00:06:30Smalley, his trainers, and the bottom part of his jean has got blood on it.
00:06:38She's saying the shoe is heavily soaked with the blood it's gone through, consistent with if he stood over our victim, potentially with his head on the shoe.
00:06:48The fact that there's so much on that one shoe supports what we think's happened in that address.
00:06:53And there's been, and with Leaning, there's been blood on the floor, and he's walked through that blood.
00:06:59It's in both shoes.
00:07:00He's told someone he wasn't in the scene.
00:07:04He went down and then went back up again.
00:07:05That's not true.
00:07:06He's there when he's bleeding.
00:07:08So it's really good.
00:07:11Fab.
00:07:12Right.
00:07:12Right, we're on.
00:07:15DCI Ben Robinson updates the head of the major crime team, Chief Superintendent Alan Curtis.
00:07:21I've got some forensics.
00:07:23Lean in.
00:07:25Blood in both shoes.
00:07:27Protile.
00:07:28Victim.
00:07:29Ian Smalley.
00:07:29Heavy blood soaking.
00:07:31Some here.
00:07:33Protile.
00:07:33Victim.
00:07:34That's really impulsive.
00:07:35It matches a kick, but it also matches him stood over.
00:07:41Victim.
00:07:41So you've got a dying man dying on your shoe.
00:07:45It shows them in that rear when he's bleeding and dying, doesn't it?
00:07:48They need to ask some questions.
00:07:51Exactly.
00:07:51That's really positive.
00:07:52I think at this time we've got a strong case against Smalley and Lean in, and then we have Leon Smith.
00:08:02He appears to be part of this three in a joint enterprise to go and physically remonstrate with Jonathan about the alleged theft of the bank card.
00:08:14Absolutely, we've got the right people.
00:08:17They may have explanations for why there's blood of the victim on their shoes and why they've sent messages saying, I've killed someone.
00:08:25We'll do an arrest day.
00:08:28We'll bring all the suspects in.
00:08:30They will then have all the evidence put to them, and then we will put that evidence to the CPS for a charging decision, hopefully to get them charged with murder and remanded into custody.
00:08:39In Humberside, detectives are finalising their case against three suspects they believe are responsible for the violent murder of Jonathan Hutty.
00:09:00Our victim goes in uninjured, he never comes out, and then he subsequently dies.
00:09:05And at that point, only these people have gone in and out of the flat.
00:09:10One of the accused, Gavin Leaning, has made incriminating admissions to a prison officer, pointing the blame at his co-defendants.
00:09:18Ian was raging because Mr Hutty has spent money on the card. Ian was going to assault him as payback.
00:09:24That's really good, because they know they're all going down to do it.
00:09:27He is part of that joint enterprise of going to commit violent assault.
00:09:31And forensic results on two of the suspects' clothes have come up positive.
00:09:36It's more the bottom part of his jean. It's got blood on it, and his shoe is heavily soaked.
00:09:41And with Leaning, there's been blood on the floor, and he's walked through that blood. It's in both shoes.
00:09:47Now, the major crime team are gearing up for a multi-agency coordinated day of arrests against the suspects.
00:09:56So, we're just going to go through the planning of the arrest phase.
00:10:01Smorley and Leaning. Obviously, both are in prison. Leaning's going to be produced. Smorley is being released, so he'll be gate arrested.
00:10:11We'll check with the prison, sort of, his release time to make sure we're there before that.
00:10:17And Leon Smith, based on him being part of the assault on our victim, potential violence with him.
00:10:26So, I've got three proactive teams to go and get him.
00:10:29I think arresting around half, seven, eight o'clock maximises our clock opportunities.
00:10:36DS Steph Rawson is in charge of the multiple detective teams who will conduct the suspect interviews.
00:10:42We want the solicitor to say, look, they've got you in there, so you need to say something.
00:10:48My initial plan, interview one, we should probably give some CCTV stills and a little bit of the Ramdell witness statement.
00:10:58So, we're kind of saying, well, here's the CCTV, you're in the building. Here's a little bit from Ramdell putting you there.
00:11:05What are you going to tell us about that?
00:11:06Is that the same across the board, is it?
00:11:08That is literally the same for everybody.
00:11:09I like it as a start, because the solicitors that are coming, if they've been involved in murders before,
00:11:16they know it's going to be a staged approach.
00:11:17And if that's the disclosure first up, they know we've got more.
00:11:22Yeah.
00:11:23And it's Smithal's got some thinking to do on it.
00:11:25Yeah.
00:11:25Yeah.
00:11:26The solicitor's going to be saying, you're either going to have to chance your arm and go no comment,
00:11:31in which case you might walk yourself into a murder charge here, or you need to talk.
00:11:36So, I think that's a perfect start.
00:11:40I can't wait now.
00:11:42This is the day we've been building up to.
00:11:44The main concern is if Leon Smith isn't at his address, and we then have to hunt for him, and we can't find him.
00:11:51As part of doing all of this at the same time, is to make sure no one knows anything about the evidence before someone else,
00:11:59which would allow them to come up with an explanation, potentially.
00:12:02All we want to do is find out the truth.
00:12:06I want everyone to talk, so Jonathan can get the justice that he deserves for what happened to him.
00:12:12Morning.
00:12:13Morning.
00:12:14You all right?
00:12:15Yeah, yeah.
00:12:16I cannot get the name Leon Smith out of my head.
00:12:17Yeah.
00:12:18Since about three o'clock this morning.
00:12:19I felt a bit emotional on the way in.
00:12:20I was like, listen to Taylor Swift.
00:12:21I just wanted to start now.
00:12:22Yeah.
00:12:23I just want to know.
00:12:24I want to get the text in.
00:12:25Yeah.
00:12:26We've got them.
00:12:27From across the force, almost 30 officers have been drafted in, including major crime team detectives,
00:12:34the support team, and the undercover proactive unit.
00:12:38Yeah, we've got them from across the force almost 30 officers have been drafted in
00:12:46including major crime team detectives
00:12:50the support team and the undercover proactive unit
00:12:56Team one you've got being small leap he's at hmp lincoln team two you'll go for gavin leaning
00:13:03he's at hmp leads and team three your target is leon smith yeah no problem
00:13:10good luck everyone and thanks for your help
00:13:19two months work with ups and downs and twisting turns and it comes to today we get to put our
00:13:27evidence for the people responsible yes a bit nervous if we don't pick up being smaller
00:13:34then he's out in the community and so he's kind of the priority
00:13:40leon smith i'm also very nervous about but our proactive team on that so hopefully they'll be
00:13:45able to locate him gavin leaning we know where he is the prison a producer of boroughs hopefully
00:13:57all the suspects are located brought into custody they've got no issues and then the interviews can
00:14:03commence at hmp leeds suspect gavin leaning is first to be picked up
00:14:15at this current moment in time you're under arrest for murder in relation to an incident which
00:14:21occurred at padstone housing hole on the 24th of february i'm doing that up to the same thing but
00:14:26it may only defensively not mention my impression of something which you later allow in the court
00:14:29anything you do say may be good evidence okay cool just gonna pat you down yeah is that anything on you
00:14:35all right okay at hmp lincoln suspect ian smalley is about to be released
00:14:51how are we in here all right smally right take your bag off your body all right what's happening is
00:14:58getting gate arrested all right so the time is 25 to 9 okay ian listen to me all right you're under
00:15:06arrest for murder okay in relation to an incident that happened at padstow house on the 24th february
00:15:1550 miles away in hull leon smith has been tracked down at the fourth address police checked
00:15:219.15 all in custody we're off and running then
00:15:43all right what's red yeah ian smalley
00:15:47not really gavin leaning and leon smith are each separately brought into custody ready to be
00:15:55questioned by detectives things are looking positive the people that were there when jonathan
00:16:04was murdered are now in custody uh so circumstances of the victim was assaulted in hold the victim has
00:16:12since died from the injuries leon was arrested and bailed from the assault and has now been arrested
00:16:17for the new offensive murder as police inquiries have been ongoing and new evidence has been
00:16:21revealed about what about me you'll find out are you taking a piss i ain't done over no that's
00:16:26what's going on
00:16:46at this point in any investigation you want to see what they're going to say in the interview
00:16:50i'm just on that corridor over there are they going to help are they going to feed us lines that we
00:16:54need to potentially go and do some work on let's see if anyone wants to talk to us police have an initial
00:17:03period of 24 hours to interview the suspects before they must be charged released or an extension obtained
00:17:10may i have mr smarley for interview please we're using phased disclosure to sort of test the truthfulness of their account
00:17:19ian are you awake mate your sister's here
00:17:22he's highly unlikely to admit a murder we have to see what he's prepared to tell us
00:17:28before we tell him what we know and what evidence we have having been deemed fit for interview
00:17:35ian smalley and gavin leaning are brought in for questioning the first interview is about saying
00:17:41look these witnesses are saying you were there cctv puts you in the building tell us what happened
00:17:48if they decide not to talk to us then we can only go with the evidence that we've already got
00:17:55okay uh gavin do you prefer gav or gavin let's just get that out of the way you're not bothered okay
00:18:00gavin this interview has been audio and visually recorded okay ian if he gives you a full name please
00:18:08smile then i'll just mention talking quite softly it's a health issue is it is it that you're struggling
00:18:15to speak louder than that okay right okay before the interview begins gavin leaning solicitor reads
00:18:24out a prepared statement i'm gavin leaning wish to say the following one my legal representative has gone
00:18:29through the original disclosure with me two at no time have i assaulted jonathan hutsi three i'm in
00:18:34no way involved in his death for i will be at padstow house as i lived there for some time signed by
00:18:40mr leaning day to today's date the first of may time at 12 50 pm and i've advised mr leaning to answer
00:18:46no comment to all questions from now thank you ian i'd like to ask you to have a think about your
00:18:53movements between 9 pm on friday the 23rd of february and three o'clock in the following morning we
00:19:00believe that is when john putty was assaulted tell me where you were at that time can you explain how
00:19:09john hutty came to be assaulted explain how john putty was injured so badly he later died in hospital
00:19:17ian smally gavin tell me everything you know about in smaller who is ian smaller to you
00:19:30what's the relationship between the two of you explain to me how you know gavin leaning
00:19:39tell me about your relationship with leon smith
00:19:42oh god it's a fairly straightforward question isn't it just asking if you know these people
00:19:47by our house you're not asked oh you're fucking trying to book me
00:19:54i got to set that up detectives now turn to the testimony of the significant witness
00:20:01okay gavin as part of the investigation we conducted a witness video interview with lauren roundhill
00:20:07do you know lauren roundhill no comment but what loner's told us is she does know you
00:20:13and she knows jonathan putty the victim of the murder and she was with jonathan
00:20:19hutty in his flat at the relevant time lauren also says she was at your flat with jonathan
00:20:26hutty and you were all smoking crack cocaine is that correct is lauren roundhill mistaken about
00:20:34what she's told us in the witness interview does she have any reason to lie when she tells us that
00:20:41you knew the victim and you was with him on the night of the assault what we're going to go now is
00:20:49uh show you some stills from the lifting pad store house around the time that jon
00:20:54huntty was assaulting that male we're saying is you he's wearing black trainers blue jeans
00:21:02gray that blue jacket do you agree during the time we're interested in you were in pad store house
00:21:10tell me why there you are gavin with ian smallley is that correct and the male with the ginger hair is
00:21:21that leon smith no comment you can't see the head of this male admittedly but on the landing
00:21:29it appears to be you showing your upper body legs and feet explain to me what you're doing then
00:21:39do you remember now i've showed you these images do you remember what you was doing
00:21:43during those the relevant time period no comment is there anything that you can tell us about the
00:21:49murder of jonathan hutty at this stage no comment okay i've not got any further questions
00:21:56so it's more lee i'm leaning uh no comment so far from the first interview leaning has given a
00:22:03prepared statement it's very short and simply says that he's not involved he hasn't assaulted jonathan
00:22:10butty and he will be in the building on cctv because he lives there i can't wait for that
00:22:16final interview with leaning when you hit stuff but okay so you weren't there right gosh why have
00:22:23you said this why are you telling people you punch someone if you haven't why is there blood on your
00:22:27shoes with smallley and leaning stonewalling detectives in their first interviews hello
00:22:34uh please can we get leon smith investigators moved to question leon smith about the night of the
00:22:41assault i think with leon smith it could be that he tells us what's going on if he hasn't
00:22:46directly been involved we know he's there it's what actual role he's played so you was previously
00:22:53arrested interviewed in relation to a section 18 assault uh the victim with jonathan hutty yeah now
00:22:58that jonathan's died obviously this is a murder inquiry and that's why you've been arrested so just tell me
00:23:03what your involvement was what my involvement was what what in that murder and what's happened
00:23:08well i've been getting like pissed up at drape public and uh we've gone from drape pub to pad
00:23:17store house to gav lehman's flat we've then gone on the stairs to see a few other people and then got
00:23:25took down to jonathan hutty's flat you know with these other people and how was jonathan at that time
00:23:30really nice yeah really nice yeah any injuries no injuries at all really nice nice guy he is a nice
00:23:36guy anyways he was a nice guy man yeah right at this point i'm with jonathan at his flat and then i've
00:23:44gone upstairs to go get my bottle of vodka um gav's that that's when i've seen gav because that's when
00:23:51i've got my bottle of vodka do you know what i mean and then as i've gone downstairs um there's like
00:23:56like gab lehman um another person i don't know what i want to say because they're looking at all
00:24:03them they could probably do something to me do you know what i mean is he a friend of yours well i know
00:24:09him do you know what i mean why are you scared of him well what what if what if he does that to me
00:24:15for saying telling you what's happened like for what's gone on leon smith admits he was with the men
00:24:23just before the attack but will he reveal who did what at the murder scene it's fucking
00:24:31done loads of mad shit man i know it's serious and stuff like that but what if that happened to me
00:24:35man you're under arrest for murder okay in humberside after a coordinated day of arrests
00:24:52the major crime team have brought in three suspects for the murder of jonathan hutty
00:24:57is there anything that you can tell us about the murder of jonathan hutty
00:25:12but a third suspect leon smith has begun to talk as i've gone downstairs there's gab lehman um
00:25:21another person i don't know what i want to say he has so far refused to share a key name with the
00:25:26investigators why are you scared of him what if he does that to me for saying telling you what's happened
00:25:34now detectives must try and persuade him to reveal what he knows can you just tell me that person's name
00:25:41and i've got to ask you one of those involved yeah how you know these people yeah because you've implied
00:25:50that you're scared of him aren't you all right fuck that 23 mate they're like 50-odd mate they've got
00:25:56no life anyways you know what i mean i fucking have fair enough i'd rather get it off my chest
00:26:00mate knowing that i haven't done fuck hold on man i am going to jail for something i have
00:26:04fucking done and that's all we want what we want from you just want the truth about what went out
00:26:07and that's what it's so much smaller something about fucking yeah okay and what's his first name
00:26:13but it's it's ian though yeah yeah ian smallley yeah yeah yeah yeah
00:26:18so using jonathan's flap at some point you said that you um you went back upstairs trying to get
00:26:24vodka again from yeah yeah as we've played for gavs we've bumped into ian smallley do you know what i
00:26:31mean and then i've i've got in the lift with ian smallley and gav leeman going back downstairs to
00:26:37jonathan nutty's flat what's been discussed in that left about jonathan hutty and anything that's
00:26:46going to happen when you get to that flat well not much really like fucking that smallest said
00:26:51something about a bank card going missing a summer and how did that relate to jonathan hutty because
00:26:56gas said that it was jonathan hutty that's fucking had his card and fucking spent his money
00:27:05what ian smallley's in that lift what was he actually doing shouting and that what was he over
00:27:11is it always fucking angry what were you thinking at that time i'm scared man what were you thinking
00:27:16was gonna happen when you got to close well we're in the lift we've gone down and then that's when the
00:27:23lift door's open and was knocked on his door soon as the door's open okay i believe he's just started
00:27:28beating fuck all the money right as he's punching him and fight the fight him it's gone into the living
00:27:34room smallley's just started fucking going on about the card and that and he's fucking beating him and
00:27:40then that's when the smallest fucking fucking started fucking kicking his head in there
00:27:46then he's fucking stamping on and kicking him fucking his head into the wall
00:27:53it curved his fucking head didn't it in front of him honestly that line fucking stamps all over him
00:27:57mate bolted fuck out of him mate i've tried stopping it could not fucking do anything he didn't want to
00:28:05stop it was like he's fucking it was like he was fucking the devil man honestly i'm lying
00:28:10it was jonathan speaking to him while he was being assaulted screaming good help me and that
00:28:16i do not like it's not to me and i do not like saying that yeah i'm not screaming if it was like
00:28:21and then uh it was when it was it was when he was like kicking him and stamping on his head
00:28:26at that point his hand has had like come to a side like that and gone bright purple and started like
00:28:31flapping and i thought mate what the fuck mate it was crazy mate like i'm just stood there like
00:28:36fucking watching this go on yeah but what's to stop you walking out what's to stop me walking out
00:28:42them fucking could have fucking grabbed me or banged me or fucking whatever i've locked the door
00:28:47i wouldn't have been able to run out whatever they've gone to go run out and open the door like
00:28:51that thing and then and then they did something to me you know what i mean have they told you not to
00:28:57leave what have they told me not to leave no i've just gone into complete shock and just
00:29:02fucking didn't know what to do mate when ian's assaulting him what's gab doing that's fucked off
00:29:08loren have come into the flat at that point yeah yeah and that's when it's it's flipped over and
00:29:15then they've started giving him first aid yeah yeah oh yeah as soon as they've come in i was sat on the
00:29:20city at the back wall near the windows do you know like away from me and uh and ian was still there yeah
00:29:27yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah then i've left the flat and he's fucking following me like smaller
00:29:32what was he saying to you what was he saying to me oh i shouldn't have done it i shouldn't have done
00:29:37it i think i've killed i think i've killed it all right i don't think we've got anything else to ask
00:29:42you yeah you've been a real hopeful there though because that's what we need if you're there when
00:29:46you need to tell us don't you and you have done well yeah i don't want to go to jail
00:29:50i don't like that leon he has given a full account as to what he's been doing on the night
00:29:56question hi hello it all does everything did he no totally did i am aware that he's already been
00:30:04interviewed previously so he's got some knowledge about what he's going to be asked so at the moment
00:30:08it's difficult to say whether he's been completely truthful or whether he's blaming two other people
00:30:13who he knows are certainly implicated that was a big smile steph this is the 11-page summary of leon
00:30:25smith's interview he describes that he's in a lift with gav leaning and smalley gab was blaming
00:30:35huttee about the bank card he was asked if small was angry but he said he's always angry he's always
00:30:41kicking off about something he's described himself as being scared he describes that as soon as they
00:30:48went into the flat gav leaning started punishing the out of john putty then smaller took over beating
00:30:57his head into a wall stamping on him right in front of me he says i've tried to say to them leave him
00:31:03alone and that's when gav put top but smally carried on that is where we're at at the minute
00:31:10interesting one isn't it with him because he's the only person that's told us that's what
00:31:15actually what's happened yeah which is quite quite upsetting and then like listen to that was quite
00:31:21upset yeah it is listening to what happened to jonathan made me more determined than ever two of
00:31:28them acting like a pack of animals against a fellow man is disgusting he should have been safe in his
00:31:38flat and he wasn't because of people intent on causing him harm over something that wasn't even his
00:31:46fault someone else blaming him for using the bank card he must have been absolutely petrified after
00:31:52when they started yeah
00:31:58detectives will compare leon smith's account against their existing evidence
00:32:03now the investigation's focus returns to ian smalley and gavin leaning it's a staged interview
00:32:12process for a reason the second interview is us providing some of the evidence but not the
00:32:18strongest evidence to see what they say about that i mentioned earlier a lady called lauren roundville
00:32:26we believe from what lauren's telling us and ian that you were with some of the people we've discussed
00:32:32on friday in gav leaning's flat and that you're all in there talking away and that the topic of a
00:32:41bank card may have cropped up have you had a bank card stolen who stole it did anyone tell you or give you
00:32:50reason to believe put you had stolen your bank card that same night lauren was told that it was you
00:33:02that took smalley outside and blamed jonathan hutty for stealing smalley's bank card did you take ian
00:33:12smalley outside and tell him that it was jonathan hutty who'd stolen his card is that why this incident
00:33:18happened happened gavin no comment what i can tell you is the police have recovered your bank card from
00:33:26a drain outside of padstor house and it's got mr i a smally written on the back have you ever seen
00:33:33that bank card no comment have you ever used that bank card did you steal it no come on okay so these
00:33:43images are taken from saul service station on robson wayne hull are you in these images gavin no come on
00:33:52did you attempt to use ian smalley's bank card at that location to purchase anything
00:33:57no come on did you steal it no come on
00:34:00i think ian i think ian that somebody passed to our house has told you john hutty stole that card
00:34:12is that right
00:34:17i think it was gavin leaning
00:34:18did gavin leanan tell you that john hutty had your bank card oh come on describe how you felt when
00:34:31realizing that your bank card had been stolen and used without your knowledge oh come on were you
00:34:38angry oh god i'm going to show you some moving footage which is from padstor house
00:34:45so obviously is you gavin leaning and leon smith and lifted you know how would you describe your
00:34:53demeanor in that lift the way you're acting the way you're standing where you're moving about
00:34:59that normal behavior for you
00:35:04are you discussing here what you're going to do when you go to put his flat what was your intention
00:35:11at this point when you're in the lift three of you is the plan for the three of you to assault
00:35:18john hutty there wasn't a plan
00:35:22how come he said there wasn't a plan so where were you heading then at that time how the
00:35:28do i know well i don't know do i am i've got to ask you in because you were the one who lived
00:35:34we believe that is three of you heading down to john putty's flat just before the assault
00:35:43is there anything you want to say about that footage from one
00:35:48we have two statements from the prison officer at hmp hall whilst he's speaking to you in your cell
00:35:55you've said you wouldn't believe it that guy i was on bail for for the assault is now dead
00:36:03do you remember saying that you then said i've got no to worry about it was smally
00:36:10ian found out the card had been used and was going to assault him as payback tell me about that
00:36:16you then said me leon smith and ian small it all left my flat and went down to his flat in the lift
00:36:25well we've just shown you that on the cctv haven't we gavin had this been planned was this what you're
00:36:31talking about in the lift before you went to his flat you then say then i went outside we've checked
00:36:40all the cctv of people going in and out those padstow house flats at no point during this relevant
00:36:49time period during the assault at no point do are you seen to leave is that because you didn't leave
00:36:56the flats at any point you then said leon smith and ian smalley went into his flat and assaulted him
00:37:05how do you know that leon smith and ian smalley went into jonathan's flat and assaulted him is it
00:37:11because you was present and involved as well gavin if that's the case gavin then tell me what you know
00:37:21with smalley and leaning's latest custody interviews drawing no admissions you're not scared
00:37:26of that is you no he's even touching his head dc steve story and ds rachel hall have been preparing
00:37:34for their next round of questioning with leon smith he's told us in small he was quite angry and
00:37:40he was quite scared but we don't believe to be fair that he actually does look particularly scared
00:37:45in that situation i mean i don't think he's threatening him i think he's probably just
00:37:52talking about what he's going to do to hide yeah if detectives can demonstrate leon smith knew an
00:37:58attack was planned and went along with it this could be enough to charge him with murder
00:38:05if leon expected a serious assault to take place it could be joint enterprise we're going to be
00:38:10putting this cctv footage to leon in the next interview
00:38:21ian here you work mate his sister's here humberside detectives have been simultaneously interviewing
00:38:27three suspects accused of the murder of 49 year old jonathan hutty he should have been safe
00:38:35in his flat and he wasn't because of people intent on causing him harm
00:38:41neither ian smalley nor gavin leaning are engaging with detectives are you discussing here what you're
00:38:47going to do when you go to put his flat so where were you heading then a third suspect leon smith
00:38:57admits to being present before and during the attack what were you thinking at that time i'm
00:39:02i'm scared man i believe we just started beating and then that's when smalley started
00:39:08fucking killing his head in my detectives are unconvinced he was too fearful to stop the assault
00:39:15i mean he's not scared of the head is he no to me they're not threatening him either
00:39:20so we're going to be putting this cctv footage to leon in the next interview
00:39:26leon this is your second interview today um in relation to the murder of jonathan hutty
00:39:32in order to charge him with murder detectives must now prove that leon smith was aware of a plan
00:39:37for an assault on jonathan hutty and willingly went along with it still show this cctv yeah so i'll
00:39:45just play it for you what's going on there then no he just bolted me in my leg man why is he doing
00:39:52that i don't know why he's doing that why does he kill someone exactly yeah yeah yeah yeah screaming
00:40:00happening like in the fucking what's he wound up about what's he wound up about obviously his
00:40:05fucking bank card this is very animated in the walls and kicking out and even grabs you at one
00:40:14point why does he grab you like that to say something to me whatever he's saying to me right
00:40:20are you scared at that point what do you mean obviously would you be not well you don't look
00:40:25scared yeah i know i don't look scared you look very relaxed yeah i know i look relaxed because i'm
00:40:28fucking only got because i'm smoking a cigarette i've got a bottle of vodka in my hand you can't
00:40:33just save but because of my facial expressions i are scared because you don't know how i'm feeling
00:40:37inside no but you look chilled out you're messing with your bag and you're not quite you're patting
00:40:41him on the head i am patting him on the head well you rubbed his head or something no i didn't rub
00:40:44his head i've like fingered him like tapped it to say what you're doing do you know that jonathan's
00:40:51going to get assaulted when you get to that flat no but you're saying that if you don't believe
00:40:55that they're going to assault huts either it's going to go that fast what is it you're scared
00:40:58of in the lift i've got booted and i've just been screamed at pinned up to the mirror in the lift
00:41:04i didn't expect him to just start punching out of them both of them like that what what did you
00:41:09really think was going to happen i just thought that i had a little confrontation a little argument
00:41:13or something and that would have been hit me i didn't think that would have happened
00:41:18dc steve story moves on to gavin leaning's account that he was not present during the assault
00:41:25i'm just going to put to you what we've had in a statement from a prison officer
00:41:30what this prison officer says is that gavin's told him when the three of you left gavin's and went down
00:41:35to jonathan's gavin went outside it was just you and ian that went into the flat is there any truth in
00:41:44that honestly and on my heart me and smallie did not go in that flat first it was gav and smallie who went
00:41:52in that flat means your argument gavin was there and he was yeah because he was yeah so he's lying
00:41:58to the prison he's lying yeah and i know it's a fucking narrative thing and i know that you're
00:42:03all going to be looking at what everyone's going to be blaming each other on that but you want to
00:42:06be looking at me and thinking you know what this kid's opened his mouth mate well maybe we are
00:42:10but i've got to open his mouth and you know what none of them would have done that people are
00:42:14you don't ever know what none of them this is what i'm saying is other people are helping us
00:42:18yeah i know yeah obviously but can i have good details yeah i know but she's dead now
00:42:23and i appreciate that i'm the one that's alive mate and i'm the one that was there obviously
00:42:27i don't know what happened yeah just going to lauren roundhill yeah yeah okay in her video
00:42:34statement that she's provided yeah she's described coming back to the flat when obviously you and
00:42:39smallie are there and jonathan's laid out yeah and i think you said you were sat on the sofa yeah yeah
00:42:46so she does say that you were sat on the sofa um she describes making no attempts to help jonathan
00:42:52making no attempts to help jonathan i was specified for my fucking life mate you know what i mean i was
00:42:58in shock so why did you not call an ambulance why didn't i call an ambulance why yeah because i'm
00:43:05fucking scared for my own life mate well it was lauren that called the ambulance yeah i know i've heard
00:43:10off people who was who rang the ambulance she says that you've told her not to call her why would i say
00:43:15that to her though why would i say that to her that's what i'm saying though why would i say that to her
00:43:19did you say that no did i fuck no did you say that it'll be all right no did i fuck there's one
00:43:26thing i said on on matt's way out of that fucking flat yeah i said one thing this is nothing to do
00:43:33with me so they didn't stick to no little sluts or fucking not like that i've ran out the flat
00:43:39at my opportunity to fucking run out the flat so all this shit what they're all saying is all the
00:43:44fucking shit mate fuck him on out fuck him on out
00:43:58hiya from the interview just done with leon he was angry very angry he's basically stuck to what
00:44:03he said earlier but the denies that he said don't ring an ambulance which was really the only bit we
00:44:07put to it from lauren's account what the prison officer said he said that it's a load of shit and
00:44:14then he's talked about the cctv yeah he's confirmed he's kicking off about the bank at one point he
00:44:20said he was scared when he was in the lift but we're saying when you don't look scared you're very
00:44:23relaxed and if they're not making any threats to assault you or put it why are you scared
00:44:29i think i've got instincts is that when he's in that lift he knows that when he gets to that flat
00:44:34jonathan hootty's going to get a beating
00:44:36leon smith has given his account of what's taken place we want to put his account that ian smallley
00:44:46and gavin leaning so they know what he's saying to potentially test that they may wish to to challenge
00:44:52that they may wish to implicate him in the assault detectives will also put their strongest evidence
00:44:58to the pair in their third and final interviews haven't said but forensic science is going to
00:45:04tell us there's blood with the victim on their shoes small exempt messages saying i've killed someone
00:45:09we'll see what happens and go again tomorrow morning
00:45:16having so far spent a total of almost six hours in interviews on their first day
00:45:21ian smallley gavin leaning and leon smith are approaching the end of their 24-hour custody clock
00:45:29when somebody comes into police custody we have a standard 24 hours to keep them at that point we
00:45:34must either charge or release but there are certain circumstances where we can extend that it has to
00:45:40be that they're in custody for an indictable offense which means a serious event and that we're carrying
00:45:45out our inquiries diligently and expeditiously the inspector reviews it the superintendent reviews it
00:45:50and if they're satisfied then they will give us an extra 12 hours so that's where we're at the
00:45:54moment we've got that extra 12 hours thanks everybody for yesterday it was um a very long busy day
00:46:01especially for um the interview teams who were here till uh last night then there is still some
00:46:07interviews ongoing this morning another long day maybe today but so thanks to everyone we just keep going
00:46:14another busy day at the office keeping my fingers crossed get some charges today
00:46:22do feel a little bit of the weight of the world on the shoulders i feel the responsibility for getting
00:46:28justice for jonathan and his family if it goes our way today i think there'll be a big sense of relief
00:46:35and emotion i'm anticipating
00:46:43third and final interview uh quite a lot to cover here we are again we will be putting the most
00:46:52significant evidence to him and also what leon smith had said each individual has done during the assault
00:47:00ian smalley and gavin leaning are brought in for simultaneous interviews strategically we don't
00:47:07want one knowing before the other one what's coming in the third interview we've left birth till today
00:47:14the tension obviously will be building up in there but we'll complete those interviews and then that
00:47:20will give us an idea of the position we're in gavin leaning has chosen not to have a solicitor so
00:47:27yesterday you've been interviewed twice in relation to the murder of jonathan hutty and your
00:47:33involvement in that you gave a prepared statement a brief one in the first interview saying you
00:47:38wasn't responsible for any assault and then in both interviews to all questions you've stated no comment
00:47:45is that correct no comment um now i told you that gavin leaning had been arrested and has been
00:47:51interviewed prior to that um gavin leaning um made certain comments about what happened to young
00:47:58hutty to um prison officer and you know the comments he makes to the prison officer is that the plan was
00:48:08between you and him was to rob this guy of his disability allowance
00:48:13you're laughing you don't know what i'm on about that's bullshit is it
00:48:28lying gavin's lying
00:48:30that's what we're here to turn him out isn't it he's in his eyes so what did actually happen
00:48:44ian disagree with what i'm telling you i'm not lying to you you did make this comments
00:48:49to a prison officer having heard gavin leaning's statement implicating him in the murder
00:48:54is ian smalley about to turn on his co-accused it's almost like you want to tell us something this
00:49:01is your opportunity
00:49:12humberside police have arrested three men accused of the brutal murder of jonathan hutty do feel a little
00:49:19bit of the weight of the world on the shoulders for the responsibility for getting justice for
00:49:25jonathan and his family one of the suspects gavin leaning has told a prison officer he wasn't present
00:49:32for the assault leaners said me leon smith and ian smalley went down to mr hutty's but then i went
00:49:39outside but leon smith has insisted that is untrue honestly and on my heart me and smalley did not go
00:49:48in that flat first it was gavin and smalley and having given two previous no comment interviews
00:49:55ian smalley appears poised to also turn on his co-accused he's saying he's lying so what did actually
00:50:07detectives must now use this opportunity to see if ian smalley is willing to talk i'm not going to
00:50:13away with the point but in essence before being interviewed for murder gavin leaning is telling
00:50:19professional people i don't know why he said he's a fool he can tell everyone he said he's making it
00:50:27want me to fuck off and that's it if it wasn't you ian who was it i don't know you do know you were there
00:50:37cctv shows you there the witnesses say you were there you were there ian and you're saying it
00:50:42weren't you so who was it oh god with ian smalley denying responsibility for the attack dc simon holmes
00:50:54moves to question him on text messages recovered from his mobile phone that were sent in the hours
00:50:59after the assault there's some messages and i'll read them one at a time he pinched my bank card took 500
00:51:08pound out he deserved it's a mate no one does that to me is that a message you sent the second message
00:51:17says he ain't dead you idiot and i just smashed him hat and then the following one why blanking me i
00:51:23need you i've killed someone did you send all those text messages when the first one kind of matches
00:51:33everything else it'll discuss doesn't it it talks about somebody taking your bank card using it to
00:51:39spend 500 pound you're talking about john putty there what do you mean by i just smashed him
00:51:48suggesting that you assaulted john putty what did you do that you describe as smashing him what did you do
00:51:56suspect gavin leaning is also being interviewed
00:51:59it's just a short piece of footage i want to show you dc shelley fuller is questioning him on more cc tv
00:52:07from inside the block of flats where the attack took place this is from immediately after the
00:52:12assault when you leave jonathan hutty's flat at 0 to 18 hours
00:52:19you're resting your right hand near your elbow of your left arm like you're in some sort of pain
00:52:25do you accept that that's what's on the footage gavin is it because it's hurting you
00:52:31and is it because you've just used that hand to assault jonathan hutty in the attack
00:52:38two days after the assault on jonathan hutty gavin leaning was arrested for an unrelated incident
00:52:45this is from cluffford custody is this you
00:52:49you're right hand there looks swollen can you see that do you wish to deny that that right hand is
00:52:58swollen gavin can you explain to me why it was swollen you know i'm gonna ask my colleagues to show
00:53:08you some photographs of um clothing those the trainers that you're wearing the time john
00:53:14hutty was assaulted you can see from cctv in the lift what you're wearing i'm no trainer expert but
00:53:22they are identical to them trainers the ones you wear in the lift when you go down to john
00:53:27hutty's address to ask you again those are trainers you're wearing at the time of the assault
00:53:34so i'm showing you this image of your right green adidas trainer which has been examined
00:53:40on this trainer gavin there is blood belonging to the victim on the sole of this right trainer
00:53:47can you explain to me why jonathan hutty's blood is on the trainer seized from yourself
00:53:56is it because you were involved in the attack
00:54:00the scientist has found blood not only underneath of the shoe on the left shoe in the laces and the
00:54:07tongue area and they describe this heavy contact blood staining the dna profile from this heavy
00:54:14contact blood was tested in the lacing region of the left shoe and matches that john putty
00:54:22explain to me why john putty is all over your left nike and max trainer
00:54:27oh god that's consistent with a kick in oh god i think the reason you're saying no comment and refusing
00:54:36to explain why the blood is on your trainer is because you attacked jonathan hutty and you are
00:54:44responsible for his murder pathologist found bilateral black face in a broken nose and mri scan reveal severe
00:54:52brain injury it takes a lot of foreseeing to cause those injuries we're kicking him with your left
00:54:58foot you're stamping him with your left foot it's science here there has to be an explanation doesn't
00:55:04there yesterday leon smith was interviewed by police he says you knock on the door and hutty answers
00:55:14and in his words you followed in behind him and started punching out of him tell me about that
00:55:23no comment gav leaning started punching out of john hutty i was like what the
00:55:28is going on i was screaming leave him alone small who was stamping on him beating his head in the wall
00:55:35keep his head in in front of me and gaff's fucked up and he's still carrying on referring to you
00:55:40saying that gav leaning started it and you certainly finished it oh god
00:55:49gavin you're in custody for the most serious offense the murder of an individual someone you knew
00:56:00someone that you were friends or certainly acquaintances with
00:56:04is there anything at all you wish to say about your involvement in this murder and why it took
00:56:14place no we've got the cctv and padstow house it shows you leon smith and gavin leaning traveling down
00:56:21the lift to john putty's flat lauren randall was the first person to find john putty having been
00:56:28assaulted she says the only person stood over him at that time was you this is the blood on your left
00:56:35trainer and the text messages on your phone and the evidence of the account provided by leon smith
00:56:42i would ask john's benefit john's family's benefit tell us what happened
00:56:52so 11 30 hours this interview is now concluded
00:56:59at the major crime team just the initial advice from the cps lawyer dci ben robinson and di sarah petro
00:57:07have sought charging guidance regarding the investigation's third suspect leon smith
00:57:12yeah leon smith supported the scene by roundhill and this is supported by the cctv footage nevertheless
00:57:18we do not appear to have any admissible evidence about what he did while the violence was playing out
00:57:23it's a setback the crown prosecution service do not believe there's enough evidence to charge him
00:57:29with leon smith we can put him in the address from the evidence we've had what we don't have is any
00:57:35forensic evidence linking him to the suspect at this time those results yet to come and we don't have
00:57:42any evidence of what he may or may not have done within the scene cheers shall we bye
00:57:50ds steph rawson has been updated on smorley and leaning's final interviews
00:57:55yeah so smallie has finished his third interview now anything that's sort of undisputable like the
00:58:02forensics and the actual text on his own phone nothing no comment at all because he can't deny that
00:58:10yeah exactly leaning the same we know comment sir smith bail
00:58:17yeah with neither smallie nor leaning contradicting leon smith's account and no evidence he physically
00:58:25attacked the victim police are forced to release him pending further inquiries
00:58:31what i'm doing is i'm going to release you on bail okay yeah while the uh police and the crime
00:58:36persecution service make a decision on your case leon smith's waiting for the forensics so we can
00:58:42bail him scoop that all up in due course break your conditions you may be arrested of course you may be
00:58:47finally imprisoned to vote do you understand yeah yeah yeah all right that's it the officer will show
00:58:51you right then yeah however detectives believe there is enough evidence against smorley and leaning
00:58:59to approach the cps for charges of murder 26 hours after they came into custody it's done and it's time
00:59:08to file prep and off to cps give me the thumbs up and now press send i'm proud of what we've done and
00:59:15all the great evidence putting the case together for those two and at this time they've not been
00:59:20able to refute that evidence it's gone yeah here we go with their case file sent will the cps agree
00:59:28or will the suspects walk the ball is firmly in their court and so we wait to see what they say
00:59:38after the brutal attack on jonathan hutty he died at 8 50 this morning so we've now got a murder
00:59:53investigation and more than two months of intense police work the mri showed a severe brain injury
01:00:01most likely due to an assault i tried my best to save him but i feel bad that i couldn't humberside
01:00:08detectives have analyzed dozens of pieces of evidence and they're blood in both shoes there's
01:00:13no disproving that it's evidence there are messages of interest why are you blanking me i've killed someone
01:00:20and have conducted over 24 hours worth of recorded interviews
01:00:24leon smith has been bailed pending further inquiries
01:00:41but police have sought authorization to charge ian smalley and gavin leaning with murder
01:00:47it's gone yeah here we go it's off to cps and so we wait to see what they say
01:00:57will the crown prosecution service decide to charge the suspects with murder it can take a while obviously
01:01:03there's a lot of information and as we know this investigation has took some twists and turns
01:01:08the lawyers making a really important decision if you're charging somebody with murder you have to read
01:01:12everything thoroughly you have to be confident with the decision you're making all right thank you
01:01:18i'm authorized charges yes let's have a look in black and white
01:01:26she's happy with it all and she's sent it back there saying charge for in small way and charged
01:01:35all dab leaning excellent excellent excellent uh all good sir well done everyone just uh a bit emotional
01:01:50let's do that a bit get in here
01:01:53ian just bring him to form a charger this is exactly why we all come to work i think we've taken
01:02:06dangerous people off the street and we're on that journey to give the family the justice they deserve
01:02:13on the 24th of february pet store house we murdered jonathan putty i want you to come on
01:02:26the element of sadness for me is lauren like lauren will never know that this is what's happened
01:02:30she's called the ambulance commenced cpr on jonathan and then ended up being quite a key witness for us
01:02:37which was really brave actually to stand up against these people that have murdered somebody
01:02:41so for me it's justice for her as well i just understand this there goes and the charge is
01:02:47as follows that on the 24th of february 2024 has passed her household he made a jonathan putty
01:02:54conscious of common law given reply to me to that kelly
01:02:59tonight we've won the first victory and now we've got to start preparing and getting everything ready for
01:03:06court there is still obviously the other people involved that we've interviewed over the course
01:03:12of the last few days what we're doing over the next few weeks to decide if they're going to be
01:03:16sort of added into the suspect pool all right going okay
01:03:20the third suspect leon smith has been recalled to clough road police station
01:03:37whilst forensic evidence has come back negative there has been a development
01:03:41in the case against him
01:03:56is
01:04:02since we had the initial charges authorized for ian smalley and gavlin in we've had a barrister
01:04:10appointed to the case she is of the opinion that there is enough evidence to charge leon smith with
01:04:16murder as well part of the reasoning is that there does appear to some sort of joint activity
01:04:30they're all in the lift together ian smalley has been seen doing the kicking
01:04:35gesture and our assumption being that's some sort of conversation about what's going to take place
01:04:40all three go into that property as a three against one individual to physically uh remonstrate
01:04:51there is no evidence leon smith attempted to help jonathan in fact the only evidence we really have
01:04:58from lauren is quite the opposite that he said no don't call the ambulance with leon smith now also
01:05:05remanded into custody all three suspects are charged with murder
01:05:15after a five-week trial at hull crown court the jury reach a verdict as with the whole investigation
01:05:24there was a few bumps in the road but we've got to ultimately what is a positive decision today
01:05:29ian smalley pleaded guilty to murder at the start of the trial
01:05:38gavin leaning has just been found guilty of manslaughter
01:05:45leon smith has been found not guilty of murder and manslaughter
01:05:49i'm pleased that the the people responsible for attacking jonathan in his own home and killing
01:05:59him been found guilty and going to go to prison for a number of years i'll never forget jonathan
01:06:05hutty or lauren roundhill unfortunately neither of them are with us but hopefully we got them both some
01:06:12justice today we feel relief um mixed emotions it's been a long process for us we just we can't thank
01:06:25the the police the the court team enough for what they've done and the the outcome jonathan's
01:06:34got justice which is what we wanted
01:06:40he'll never be out of our thoughts anyway he is like i was there
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