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Seth recalls his dream about slapping Tom Brady and the guys talk about the Ravens firing John Harbaugh and the Texans cutting K'Von Wallace.
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00:00I'm Sean Pendergast. He is Seth Payne. We call him Pope Zaza. How are you?
00:04I'm good. I had a dream last night that I slapped Tom Brady and Teddy Bruschi.
00:09I don't know why or how this all came about.
00:13So Teddy Bruschi and Tom Brady came to my house and they were attempting to buy my house.
00:20And we're trying to present it like it was a real sweet deal.
00:23Because they're like, Seth, you'll have $17,000 cash after this transaction is over.
00:30In this scenario, it was somehow they were lowballing me on my house, but it was more than the mortgage was.
00:37And I looked at them and I was sitting down at a table and they were standing up like they were standing there in suits.
00:43And I got out of my chair and I went up and I pinned Brady up against the wall.
00:47Wow.
00:48And I slapped him.
00:49Okay.
00:49And then I looked at Bruschi and I said, you want a taste of this?
00:52And I slapped him.
00:53Wow.
00:54And I said, what are you going to do about it?
00:55Yeah.
00:56And I don't know why other than that maybe this is a sign that the Texans are going to face the Patriots in the playoffs.
01:05I think that's got to be the universe telling me, gear up and get ready because Bruschi and Brady are going to come and try to take what's yours.
01:17Do you – are you fans of their work as broadcasters?
01:21I'm wondering if they seeped into your brain throughout the last week or so or throughout the season as broadcasters.
01:27No, I think it's – I think it's mostly a playoffs thing.
01:32I don't know.
01:33I shirked my duties this morning and sat and contemplated about it for 45 minutes.
01:37Yeah.
01:38Let's analyze this dream.
01:39What is it about?
01:40And it was really – and that was the thing.
01:42It was – where I was really insulted.
01:44You know what it is?
01:44It's from a franchise that's had much – it's had much prosperity.
01:50Yeah.
01:51And they were acting – they were talking to me like I'm some peasant.
01:56Like, oh, look, it's $17,000, Seth.
02:00Think of what you could do with that money.
02:02Well –
02:02And I was so insulted that I – that I pinned – I pinned Brewski.
02:07Who did I – I know I pinned Brady up against the wall.
02:08No, you pinned Brady.
02:09Yeah.
02:09Yeah.
02:10Yeah.
02:10And I slapped him.
02:11And then you slapped Brewski.
02:13Yeah.
02:13After that.
02:14So you knocked – and did you wake up or did it keep going?
02:17Was it –
02:18I can't remember.
02:19I had a weird night of dreams.
02:21It was one of those things where I kept waking up and not realizing – you know when you're –
02:24You know when you don't detach the dream from reality?
02:27Yeah.
02:28And you're – like I was going to the bathroom and I was thinking about how am I going to handle this situation with Brewski and Brady?
02:33I got – like at some point they're probably – this is probably going to leak and they're going to put their spin on it and they're going to make me look like the villain.
02:41Kids?
02:41Which I mean – by the letter of the law, yes, I am the villain there.
02:45Yeah.
02:45All they were doing was making a business proposition.
02:47I didn't need to make it physical.
02:49Right.
02:49No, you didn't need to.
02:50You could have just told them –
02:51But they insulted me.
02:52You could have done the old school thing and say, get off my property.
02:55That was a – I always loved that one as a kid.
02:57Get off my property.
02:58Yeah.
02:59They were wearing – they were wearing suits.
03:01Yeah.
03:01And I was just wearing – I was just wearing normal guy gear, you know?
03:06Yeah.
03:06They were really – they were really trying to big brother me, you know?
03:12Yeah.
03:12Were they – were the suits identical suits?
03:16Was this a Jules and – is this a John Travolta, Samuel L. Jackson, Pulp Fiction situation?
03:22No, Brady was wearing his full suit.
03:24Bruschi had his shirt and tie with his sleeves rolled up.
03:28Okay.
03:28Oh, wow.
03:29Okay.
03:29Okay.
03:30So, Bruschi was ready to pull out a pencil and do business with you.
03:33The sleeves rolled up.
03:35I can't remember who it was.
03:36I don't want to – maybe it was Edelman.
03:38I don't know.
03:39There was another Patriot there, but I can't remember who it was.
03:42There was a faceless Patriot.
03:44Oh, my God.
03:45Well, you know what?
03:46You know, your disgust with their tone may come from the frequent discussions that you
03:52and I have about New England fans in general that feel like they know ball better than everybody
03:57else.
03:57They know ball.
03:57No, New England media.
03:59They're a bunch of ball knowers.
04:00It's New England media that thinks that – they think that they understand the NFL better
04:05than all of you.
04:07You know, they just get football.
04:09Yeah.
04:09Because they've sat at the feet of Bill Belichick, who apparently doesn't know squat about college
04:17football.
04:18Right.
04:18But because they – because they watched and observed, they know football better than
04:22the rest of the media covering the NFL.
04:25Yeah.
04:25Kids, if you're listening right now, when you get a little older, you got to get up to go
04:29to the bathroom in the middle of the night.
04:30These are the things that can happen.
04:31The dreams blend into reality, and they turn into conundrums for you.
04:35Oh, there was a whole other weird thing.
04:36I don't know what I ate last night, but it was – I mean, I know what I ate, but I don't
04:41know what I ate that caused these weird dreams.
04:45You're here?
04:45Well, I'll tell you what, the look on their faces, the fear, the shock, the –
04:49Radiant brewski, are we talking about?
04:52The tables have been on my property.
04:53They didn't know if they were going to get out of there, you know?
04:55Yeah.
04:56They didn't come with security or anything.
04:58Yeah.
04:58They thought they were just going to come in and bully old Sethers.
05:01And your property –
05:02You know what?
05:03Maybe that actually happened in the middle of the night last night, and they're buried
05:06in my backyard.
05:07I was going to say, no, no, not to give too much away, but your property is not exactly one
05:11where someone might be walking by in the street and hear noise going on in the house.
05:16I can do whatever the hell I want.
05:18Exactly.
05:18That's what I'm saying.
05:19That's what I'm saying.
05:20That's what I'm saying.
05:21I don't want to give away too much.
05:23But the odds of somebody –
05:26You're going to like finding me, copper, with my tunnel system.
05:27There are bodies buried there right now.
05:29Right now there's bodies buried there.
05:31The cool thing about my property and burying a body on it is that I can just – I mean,
05:35I can go dig a – I can dig a 20-foot deep hole with a backhoe, and nobody's going to
05:44know that it's there or that I was doing anything at all and just – yeah.
05:48Dude, and no rush.
05:49You can take your time.
05:50I can't.
05:50Your bodies can be sitting right there just rotting.
05:52You're like, ah, I'm going to go in and get a drink.
05:54Is there enough lime on there?
05:56I don't know.
05:56I'm going to go to the hardware store and get some extra lime.
05:59Randy, watch this while I'm gone, all right?
06:00A hardware store clerk knows not to talk to the cops.
06:03Yeah, that's the thing.
06:04You've got everybody in the town in your pocket as well.
06:06I don't know if you can buy lime at a hardware store.
06:09I've never bought lime in my life.
06:10Yes, you have.
06:11Yes, you have.
06:15So speaking of dead bodies, how about John Harbaugh getting fired yesterday?
06:18What was your gut reaction to that?
06:21It wasn't – that's a great question, Sean.
06:24In the moment I heard it and I thought, huh, I figured – I figured it – it felt it was going to happen.
06:34The more scintillating thing to have happened, and if the Ravens wanted to help us out at all,
06:39the, you know, extend this on through the slow month of June and July,
06:43that maybe there would be some kind of – depending on how the power jockeying went,
06:48that somehow they'd try to trade Lamar Jackson or something.
06:51The more likely scenario, and then you take any NFL franchise and you take the high-paid quarterback
06:56and say, all right, there's going to be a – they're going to have to make a decision
07:00between the high-paid quarterback whose contract is really hard to get out of
07:03or the head coach who just didn't make the playoffs that year.
07:08Usually the coach is going to lose out.
07:09It's pretty wild.
07:09No matter how long he's been there with the franchise.
07:11Yeah, I mean, Lamar Jackson's a two-time MVP.
07:15It's wild that a missed field goal cost John Harbaugh.
07:18Maybe John Harbaugh gets fired if they get knocked out in the wild-card round
07:22or something like that, but we know this.
07:25If he makes that field goal, John Harbaugh's still coaching today.
07:27You know, they got that.
07:28Right, he's still coaching today.
07:30Yeah.
07:30I wonder if – it seems like there are probably – I think there's a good chance
07:36that if he got knocked off in the wild-card round, he was still going to get fired.
07:38I agree with you.
07:39I agree.
07:40It's just funny that he would still have a chance to keep his job.
07:43I think the interesting thing is because the Texans faced the Steelers this week,
07:47and it's so funny – I was actually listening to Ross Tucker, Sean,
07:52talk to one of his guests – I can't remember who – about how it's amazing
07:58because Ross goes all over the league.
08:00You know, he's broadcasting different games.
08:02He does his podcast, so he's hearing from fans from every team all the time.
08:06Yep.
08:06And the difference between how people outside look at – outside of Pittsburgh
08:09look at Mike Tomlin versus how a lot of Steelers fans feel about Mike Tomlin,
08:15it's probably the same in Baltimore.
08:17Yeah.
08:17You know, it's easy for us on the outside to say, wow, look at that.
08:22Mike Tomlin never – hasn't had a losing season ever.
08:25Incredible.
08:26And Steelers fans are like, we haven't won a playoff game since 2016.
08:30Yeah, the two – they're very similar in that they were hired within a year of each other.
08:35I think Tomlin was hired, I think, in 2007.
08:38Harbaugh came in with Flacco in 2008, and they both won Super Bowls,
08:43but they were a long time ago.
08:45I would say Harbaugh's probably got the better overall resume
08:49just because he's made some – he's made some deep – you know,
08:51he's made some playoff runs over the last – you know, since that Super Bowl,
08:54he's made a couple of playoff runs.
08:55He won a Super Bowl with a lesser quarterback for whatever that's worth, too.
08:58Yeah, yeah.
08:59They're both undeniably really good coaches,
09:02and sometimes 18 and 19 years is a long time in a coaching relationship.
09:06You know, it gets stale.
09:07Ian – I heard – sorry, Seth.
09:08I heard an Ian Rapoport cut on the way in listening to –
09:12I was listening to Cleveland because they're all in on John Harbaugh now.
09:15They want to hire John Harbaugh up in Cleveland.
09:17We grew up in Cleveland.
09:18Yeah.
09:19He was a Cleveland fan growing up.
09:20They're all in.
09:21Ken Carman's all in.
09:22He's the morning host up there.
09:23He's all in on John Harbaugh.
09:24But I heard – they played an Ian Rapoport cut where Rapoport said that
09:28Harbaugh had lost the locker room, that there were a lot of players saying,
09:32like, you know, the message just isn't getting through anymore,
09:35that kind of thing.
09:36It's tough when – I mean, so much of it's tied to not just what quarterback you have,
09:42but how do you develop and use the quarterback.
09:44I think with Harbaugh, you know, he was – he hung on to Greg Roman
09:49as his offensive coordinator for a long –
09:53it felt like that offense at some point.
09:55It just had gotten to a point where Lamar Jackson just – it felt like he was stuck
10:00in a certain mode that was either keeping the offense or keeping Lamar Jackson down
10:06or whatever it might be to the point where when –
10:11that you just wonder why is the head coach not being more aggressive in all of this.
10:16And, you know, Todd Monken comes in and changed some things.
10:21There are issues with him.
10:22It's all the same – you know, Tomlin, Harbaugh, Pete Carroll,
10:26any of these guys that aren't offensive-minded coaches, D'Amico Ryans,
10:30there's always going to be a question about, all right,
10:33what are you doing to get the absolute most out of your offense or your quarterback?
10:38And it's – but it's crazy with Harbaugh because Lamar Jackson's been a two-time MVP.
10:42Yeah.
10:42It just – it's not like – it's not like Lamar Jackson hasn't been an awesome quarterback.
10:49It's that how it ties into the entire offense all together
10:52and how it fares in the postseason, that's the big question.
10:55And in the postseason, it's – again, going back to the –
11:00it's just so easy to create this narrative that Lamar Jackson somehow isn't good
11:03in the postseason or something.
11:05The last couple playoff departures, it's been because guys like Zay Flowers
11:08have fumbled a football or Mark Andrews drops a ball.
11:11Yeah.
11:12After Lamar Jackson makes the throw to take a lead or win the game.
11:16Yep.
11:16And I – yeah, I don't know.
11:19Tony Dungy was all distraught over what the league has become, that John Harbaugh was fired.
11:23You want me to read Dungy's story?
11:24Yeah, yeah, this is – Dungy said this yesterday on Twitter.
11:30I can't believe what things have come out.
11:34John Harbaugh has coached the Baltimore Ravens for 18 years.
11:37He took them to the playoffs 12 times.
11:39He won a Super Bowl for them.
11:41The last four years, they were a bunch of good records.
11:44He lists all the records.
11:45They made the playoffs three straight years and missed this year
11:48because their kicker missed the game-winning field goal in the last play of the season.
11:51And he was fired?
11:52Four question marks.
11:53I'm sorry, but I don't understand.
11:56Good luck in Baltimore finding a better coach.
11:59This is the problem with that.
12:00It's the first sentence.
12:02What has the league come to?
12:05What are you talking about?
12:07What has the league come to?
12:08Tom Landry.
12:11Andy Reid got fired.
12:13Like, where – how is this a recent development?
12:16How is this a recent development?
12:17Tony Dungy got fired.
12:19Tony Dungy was a good coach in Tampa Bay.
12:21He got fired.
12:22You're wringing your hands over a coach getting fired after having a job for 18 years in the league,
12:29far surpassing the average tenure.
12:31What are you talking about, Tony Dungy?
12:33It's a terrible take.
12:34It's always him.
12:35He's always moralizing or something.
12:36Oh, yeah.
12:37I get so sick and tired of it.
12:39Yep.
12:39I don't want to hear from – go be a preacher, okay?
12:42I don't – yeah, I don't need your moralizing about, oh, how awful it is that this or that is happening.
12:48It's the NFL.
12:49I need him to say this on the record on TV or radio so that we have it for Take-A-Mania on Friday.
12:56It's just that part.
12:56Everything else you said, yes, I get it.
12:58You got a valid point.
12:59Okay, should they have fired him?
13:00Whatever.
13:01What has the league come to?
13:02This has been the NFL since its inception.
13:04Good coaches get fired.
13:06Otherwise, coaches would not get rehired after getting fired.
13:09You know what he should have put at the end of that?
13:12He should have –
13:13NFL stands for not for long.
13:17That's why I always say – you know, that's one of the things I hate most in this world.
13:22When somebody takes a common phrase and says – and takes ownership of it.
13:26You know what I always say?
13:28NFL stands for not for long.
13:33Slap your shoulder, slap your shoulder.
13:35I love how you're leaning into the camera.
13:37So that was the big news yesterday.
13:39We'll revisit that because that immediately becomes the best head coaching job available.
13:44But, boy, I was going through the six other openings.
13:48There ain't a great one.
13:50I'll say that.
13:51But this Baltimore one –
13:51Boy, there's a long article in The Athletic that I thought the most interesting tidbit for me,
13:57which I think had already been reported but I forgot, was that Ben Johnson, when he was interviewing,
14:02wanted nothing to do with the Raiders until Tom Brady stepped into the process.
14:06And then Ben Johnson was willing to talk to Tom Brady and was intrigued.
14:11But then the Raiders, in Raiders-like fashion, they never made an offer or hadn't made an offer yet.
14:18And then he obviously took the job where he is, and Chicago's done quite well.
14:22He chose well.
14:23Yeah, I would say.
14:24Other than weather, he chose well.
14:25Well, that's what you have to understand.
14:28Like, Chicago doesn't have a great reputation amongst coaches either for being a place to coach.
14:32So, like, that's where – that's how down bad you are if you're the Raiders.
14:37It's that –
14:38It's lost to the Bears.
14:39He said no way in hell to the Raiders.
14:41Yep.
14:42But Bears, hell yeah.
14:43Let's do this.
14:44And a guy that had – a guy that had really stiff-armed teams a lot
14:47and was kind of waiting to find the right opportunity.
14:50Here was –
14:52D'Amico, real quick here in our opening segment, asked – or two days ago,
14:57asked what was the deal with all the explosive plays lately?
14:59Yeah, from our last game, it was too many busts.
15:02Guys not being where they're supposed to be, doing what they're supposed to do.
15:06And when you bust plays and coverages, you give up big plays.
15:11Kevon Wallace, cut yesterday.
15:14Yeah.
15:14This is a good – this is a good little reminder, too, that –
15:17this is what people need to understand,
15:19is that no matter how much you learn about defensive back play and coverages and everything,
15:26no matter how many years you coach in the NFL or anything,
15:28unless you know that week's game plan, you never actually know who busted a coverage.
15:34You know now.
15:35Trayvon Smith gets the classic – the brunt of most of the criticism
15:40and ire from the fans after that first Alec Pierce touchdown.
15:44Without knowing exactly what their rules were for that route combination
15:47on that coverage and everything, you don't know –
15:49you don't genuinely ever know whether it was Kevon Wallace or Trayvon Smith's fault.
15:53I think there's a good chance that it was Kevon Wallace's fault.
15:56I'm going to guess, yeah.
15:57The fact that he was cut leads me to believe.
15:59Well, and that's where – what I had been wondering was it's tough, man,
16:05because you just – with Trayvon Smith and Kevon Wallace playing next to each other,
16:11that's where you're really at risk for miscommunications.
16:13Oh, yeah.
16:14Because you just have – you've got two guys out there who – one of whom might be a little bit off
16:19or a guy that's usually making a call or reiterating a call.
16:23Yeah.
16:23All of those things, things just tend to slide a little bit.
16:26So if Trayvon Smith, for instance, had been the issue on that miscommunication,
16:31I – like you still worry – you worry about it because still maybe if Kevon Wallace had been a guy
16:41that knew the offense better, maybe that there's no miscommunication.
16:44Yeah, yeah.
16:45You flip it and you're still in a position where, okay, whoever's playing safety this week,
16:51maybe it's Jalen Reed or somebody else, it's still going to be a backup safety,
16:55but he's got Kamari Lasseter next to him.
16:58And that some of the pre-snap communication and everything else is just that much tighter
17:02that hopefully you don't get from the seventh guy who might end up playing safety opposite
17:07of Kalen Bullock this year, you might not get that miscommunication.
17:12We had not seen anything like that bust with Alec Pierce on Sunday all season long.
17:16I mean, we'd seen mistakes in the secondary.
17:18He was open by 30 yards.
17:20I mean, it was crazy.
17:22So Kevon Wallace, if you missed that, starting safety for the Texans this past Sunday.
17:26He's gone.
17:27That's where, you know, I fall victim to sometimes I watch so many guys, you know,
17:30who are really smart guys who break down film and everything.
17:33And there, I saw a convincing argument that it was definitely Tremont Smith's fault.
17:37And I'm like, all right, well, this guy probably knows more than I do.
17:39And I forgot my golden rule.
17:41And I think once this week I said, I guess it was Tremont Smith's fault.
17:45But that, like, I quickly reverted to, you just never know.
17:49You never know.
17:49It's just, like, it's hard.
17:50It just, it really is.
17:51Remember, when Robert Sala went to San Francisco, he and Kyle Shanahan had a conversation about one of their coverages.
18:00And basically, I can't remember what it was.
18:03But basically, they were, Kyle Shanahan, the entire time he had been playing the Seahawks,
18:08where Robert Sala was there, he thought he was seeing cover three.
18:11And it was not cover three.
18:13That's all you need to know to release you from ever thinking you know what's going on.
18:16Kyle Shanahan didn't know what the hell was going on.
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