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00:00podcast hosted by me, Ed Gamble. We're back to accompany another irresistible series of the
00:05best show on TV. Joining me each episode to unpick all the treachery from the castle will
00:10be familiar former players, celebrity superfans, and of course the latest murdered and banished
00:15players. Now you know what's coming. Spoiler alert! If you haven't watched the first episode
00:20of Series 4, then head to BBC iPlayer and do that now. Coming up, we discuss that red cloak twist
00:27and who the secret traitor might be. We share our first impressions of the other traitors and we
00:32unpick the lies and deceit already swirling around the castle. To do all of this and more, I'm joined
00:37by celebrity faithful Lucy Beaumont, Series 3 traitor Mina, Series 2 faithful Molly, and traitor superfan
00:43Jack Remington! Welcome everyone. So exciting. Thank you for joining me on the first episode of
00:54Uncloaked for Series 4. We are obviously going to be discussing everything that happened in this
00:58episode, but Lucy, first I want to chat to you because you were amazing in the Celebrity Series.
01:03How did you find watching the first episode of the new Civilian Series now that you're not in the
01:07castle? At first, I was like, oh god, here we go again. You know, like when you're like, oh. And then,
01:15I was absolutely hooked. By the end, I was like, they have, they've done it again. But you'll want
01:23to talk about the twist in a minute, I'm sure. We'll probably bring it up, I'd imagine.
01:29But that just is taking it to a new level. Totally, yeah. Total new level. This time round,
01:34there is a secret traitor. Not even the traitors know who they are, and we do not know who they are
01:39as we are watching. So everyone watching now is a faithful, because we need to work out who this
01:45traitor is. Yes. So you've got a theory out here, Lucy. When we watched it together, I just had to
01:51ask the group, did they say that the secret traitor was one of that cast? Because it could be Claire
01:57Balding. So you think it's not only a secret traitor, it's someone secret within the castle. You
02:04think Claire Balding is hiding something, maybe in the suit of armour, and she's going to pop out.
02:08Well, I did say, I said publicly online that I think Claire Balding will come back. Yeah.
02:14And then, and then you can, you can imagine how I felt when they said there's a secret traitor. Yeah.
02:19And in the cloak, when it was walking, it did look like Claire Balding's walk.
02:24And I thought, that's why you made me move up, because she's going to sit here.
02:28So you thought, we are going to reveal the identity of the secret traitor in this episode of Uncloaked,
02:34and it's going to be Claire Balding. Yeah, I'm just so glad they've done this, because, you know,
02:37it's so, you won't know this, but it's so infuriating when people are like, how did you not know?
02:44Yeah. I feel you with that one. It's time for the public to play this game. Yeah. And realise how hard
02:48it is. What was your instant thought when you, when you saw the twist, Mina? Can I be honest? Yeah.
02:52I was fuming. Because that screams Mina energy down to a T. I want to be in the red cloak.
02:59But then we were saying as well, that they're going to be so anxious, because even for them,
03:04it's not a comfortable, safe situation. They've not got the support of at least two other traitors
03:09when they get to the round table. They're by themselves. Yeah.
03:11So everybody's going to be feeling anxious now. You know, before it was like, the traitors
03:15have got the upper hand. Yeah. Traitors have now got to guess about the secret one, but
03:19then the secret one's going to be anxious because they're out there on their own, and
03:23obviously all the faithfuls are anxious anyway. So it's just good telling.
03:26Would you have been angry as a traitor if you found out there's a secret traitor?
03:30You get there, you're like, as a traitor, you think, I want to be picked, I want to be picked.
03:34So you get picked, and then you find out someone else is running the show, and you're limited
03:39to who you can murder, because the secret traitor ultimately gives you the options.
03:43All the power's gone. All the power's gone in the turret.
03:46Hugo's not a happy boy. He is not happy.
03:50It's funny though, because they get everything they wanted. Like, they've obviously, they've
03:53made it to the show, which is amazing. They've been able to be a traitor, which they want
03:57to do, and now it's like snatched away from them. That power's gone, and I love it.
04:01I'm happy about the Hugo situation, because when he said before that he was a psychopathic
04:06teddy bear, and I was like, this is what you want to happen to a psychopathic teddy bear.
04:10Take away all the toys, and they go mental.
04:13Yeah, I mean, he had it all planned, didn't he? I've got a hug in my name, but if you get
04:16too close, I'll stab you in the back. And then he became a traitor, you must have been
04:19so happy about it, and then suddenly the rugs pulled.
04:22Do we have any speculative theories so far as to who the secret traitor might be?
04:26We've only had one episode, but has anyone spotted anything?
04:29We thought Amanda would be great.
04:31And we also all warmed to Judy. I love my mum, but I would also happily have Judy as
04:37my mum.
04:37Yeah.
04:38Love you, mum. So I feel like she'd be a really good person in kind of like a motherly, instinctive
04:43way, and then if she's pulling all the strings behind the scenes, although they are slightly
04:47onto her already, yeah.
04:48Yeah, this is it.
04:49Did we spot Judy's head turn at the round table?
04:52Not another head turn.
04:52Oh, no.
04:53There was a little bit of a Linda moment.
04:55Really?
04:55Yeah, to the word traitors, yeah.
04:57Yeah.
04:57Oh.
04:58So if Judy is the secret traitor, she's not done a great job of keeping it secret so far.
05:02I really hope the secret traitor gets far, because I just think it's fun.
05:06Yeah.
05:06Like, it is fun, and it's like added such another layer to the game.
05:10Imagine if, like, Judy's the first to go and that's it.
05:12I think Jessie could be the secret traitor.
05:14Yeah.
05:14I don't know why, I think, when she was speaking on the train, she just really, like, I don't
05:19know, I connected with her, and I thought she could be a good traitor, and she said she
05:22wanted to be a traitor.
05:24Yeah.
05:24They all seem to this year.
05:25Yeah, yeah.
05:26They're like, everyone just wants to be conniving, it's great.
05:28But that makes it so hard to work out who the secret traitor is, right?
05:31Because there's so many discussions in the gold chats where everyone says they want to
05:34be a traitor, you're like, well, who could it be?
05:36Amanda, I thought, potentially a good secret traitor.
05:39I think a terrible secret detective, because I'm watching Amanda, and I'm thinking, I'd
05:43know you were a copper as soon as I meet you.
05:45Yeah, she's, like, central casting, like, lead in the bill.
05:49Yeah.
05:51I'm surprised they've not done any sort of shots of just her feet walking across the
05:54gravel.
05:55Maybe that's the walk she was getting confused with.
05:57Yeah, maybe.
05:58That's who you think Claire is.
06:00Does Claire boarding walk like a bulletproof?
06:03They have, obviously, like, a couple of people mentioned Jade looked nirder.
06:09And then, obviously, they showed Jade, but, you know, you don't know whether they're
06:13just, it's a red herring.
06:15But it would make sense that you're seeing the secret traitor a lot within this episode.
06:23And she did, she did look nervous.
06:24And being there, you know, you don't look nervous because it's, like, a relief, really.
06:32See, I disagree.
06:32I feel like I looked nervous.
06:34Oh, did you?
06:34I was nervous.
06:35I was petrified.
06:36Oh, really?
06:37Yeah.
06:37In case someone was, like, thought you was...
06:40I think I was just out of my depth a little bit, to be honest.
06:42Yeah.
06:42And I think, you know, you've signed yourself up for something to the unknown completely,
06:46really.
06:46Like, it's, I was probably just nervous in general.
06:50You're around loads of new people.
06:52So, I don't know if it's fair to say, like, that nervousness is just because she's guilty.
06:58Because I was nervous as hell.
06:59Like, I...
07:00But people obviously didn't pick up on that.
07:02Because, obviously, even though you were nervous, people can still tell that's authentic and it's
07:06not for that reason.
07:08And I suppose that it could be like that for Jade.
07:10I think maybe people just need to get to know her a little bit more.
07:12And maybe the people that don't know her so well are the ones kind of picking up on that
07:16energy.
07:16Yeah.
07:16Whereas if they've had a few chats with her, they might know she's a bit of a nervous
07:19person anyway.
07:20Yeah.
07:21Or we could be wrong, and it's her.
07:22We could.
07:23You know?
07:23Has anyone made any comments so far that you think, oh, they're a bit suspicious?
07:27They're a little bit...
07:27You're a bit on edge with them?
07:28I think James needs to be real careful.
07:30He is throwing names out left, right and centre.
07:33He is.
07:33That point that he was doing.
07:34Yeah.
07:34That was wild.
07:35It just...
07:36You need to be under the radar.
07:38Yeah.
07:38Like, you do.
07:39And as much as you can get excited, especially when you feel something and you're sure it's
07:43right, just be careful with what she's saying, I think.
07:47I worry about Fiona.
07:48Yeah.
07:49Because of the mission.
07:50Mm.
07:51I think at that early on in the game, everyone's just holding on to any little thing that happens.
07:55Yeah.
07:56And that's like the only thing that's really happened.
07:58And I just think it was an accident.
08:00Or is she the secret traitor?
08:01What if she's putting all this on?
08:03What if she's not?
08:04What if she's not mixing anything up at all?
08:08What if it's like Willy Wonka when he comes out of the factory and he's on a walking stick
08:12and then he does a tumble?
08:14Exactly.
08:15Exactly.
08:15Fiona's going to start doing flips.
08:17Yeah.
08:17She's going to do flips in a red cloak.
08:20Now, we know who isn't the secret traitor because of the murder shortlist.
08:24Yes.
08:24We've got James, Nettie and Maz.
08:26Do you think there's anyone else, Jack, that we can rule out of being the secret traitor?
08:30Who's 100% faithful, essentially?
08:32Oh, it's funny because I feel like I trust Judy, but I literally want her to be the secret
08:38traitor.
08:39So my want and my actually thinking it may be a different thing.
08:43I want her to be, but I actually don't think she will be.
08:45I think she's faithful.
08:46And unfortunately, it's just sadly on the chopping block at the moment.
08:49Now, we don't know who the secret traitor is, but neither do the traitors themselves.
08:54They were very shocked when Claudia told them.
08:56Let's remind ourselves of that.
08:57I just had to pop in because I have a small confession.
09:02Oh.
09:03Oh, no.
09:04Mm.
09:05You are not the only traitors in this castle.
09:10At the round table, I picked one other traitor.
09:14The secret traitor.
09:16Oh, my God.
09:18You still have power, but not quite as much.
09:25Oh.
09:25Hugo was gutted, wasn't he?
09:27Yeah, he's fuming.
09:28I think they all were a bit fuming, to be honest.
09:30Yeah.
09:30I don't blame them.
09:31We also said it makes it even worse for the faithfuls, because if you, as a faithful,
09:37end up directing some attention at one of the traitors, not actually knowing if they're
09:41a traitor or not, you're immediately going to look like the secret traitor to the traitors.
09:46Because obviously, the secret traitor knows who the traitors are.
09:48So, if you just happen to stumble, as a faithful, onto the right person, and say in one of the
09:53traitors, you, even more than normal, maybe put more of a target on your back, because
09:57the traitors are going to want to get rid of you, so the secret traitor's gone.
09:59So, do you think the secret traitor will be looking to knock out fellow traitors at this
10:05point in the game?
10:06Yeah, I think they're already showing that.
10:08You know, when they found out who the shortlist was, they all looked a bit, they were like,
10:16why have they picked them?
10:18Like, we are, as if there's like, there's almost an agreement that these weren't people
10:22you needed to pick, and either that's just a fluke, or the secret traitor's laying the
10:27stall out early, of, I'm not on your side, and I'm not going to go with people I think
10:31you want to.
10:32As much as I think the secret traitor is against them, I don't necessarily think they're going
10:36to be trying to get rid of them just yet, because there's no need, they're going to
10:39just recruit them.
10:40Do you know what I thought was interesting, though, to Lucy's point?
10:43How come all three of them were annoyed at the shortlist?
10:47So surely there's something that the traitors have, like, cottoned on to, or, you know,
10:53they would have picked three different names.
10:55So I think, a part of me thinks the secret traitor has done that to maybe, like, make
11:01their lives a bit harder, the actual traitors, because all three of them were like, why have
11:05they picked these people?
11:06Well, they had a discussion, they came to a sort of vague idea of who they might want
11:09to murder themselves.
11:11And then, obviously, it was completely different.
11:13I don't think there was any malice from the secret traitor picking those particular names.
11:18I just think they have very different ideas at this point.
11:20Because there's so many people, aren't there?
11:21Yeah, true.
11:22So then there's maybe a chance that at some point, the traitors start to work out who
11:28the secret traitor is.
11:29Is that what you mean?
11:30That's such a clever point, because they'll throw the heat onto them and they'll be like,
11:35whoa, that's weird.
11:37But then can only mention it at the round table, because they can't murder them at night.
11:41Such a clever game.
11:42I mean, it's so clever now that this has added into it.
11:44You're part of this.
11:44It's good, this show, isn't it?
11:46Yeah, it's a good show.
11:47I just can't live any more of my life in this headspace, though.
11:50It's like, oh, God, I've got other things to be doing.
11:54I can't be, I can't believe I've now got to work out who a secret traitor is.
12:00I've had months and months of this.
12:02I'm sorry we made you come on this, Lucy.
12:04Now I'm, can you just tell, who is it?
12:07I don't know, I've got no idea.
12:08Oh, isn't it frustrating?
12:09Yeah, it is.
12:10Mina, if this had happened on your series, how would it have altered your gameplay as a traitor?
12:15Oh, I feel like you just go into panic mode.
12:19Because like you guys said, as a traitor, that's all you want to get picked.
12:22You get picked.
12:24I'm with them on Ian, Linda, fantastic.
12:26And then Claudia tells you, actually, there's somebody else pulling the strings.
12:30And I just think you'd have to try and keep everyone on side until you can work out who it is.
12:37Yeah.
12:37It's the only thing that you can do.
12:39But then you don't know who it is.
12:40So then what if you try to spread rumors about them and they're like, okay, I think you know what you're doing.
12:46Your days are numbered.
12:47I don't know.
12:48It's so hard.
12:49I just feel like you'd be so annoyed as a traitor.
12:52You think, I think Hugo actually said it, you want all the control as the traitor.
12:57Yeah.
12:58And actually, with their show, they haven't got all the control because there's this massive thing that they don't know about.
13:04We should talk about the new cohort of non-secret traitors.
13:08The traitors that we know about.
13:09How do we think Hugo's going to be as a traitor?
13:12Mina, what do you reckon?
13:13I think the other two are going to get rid of him.
13:17Yeah.
13:17That's what I think.
13:19I quite like him, to be honest, but I feel like Rachel and Stephen are synced up on how they want to play this game.
13:25And I think they'll work as a team.
13:27But I think Hugo's got the potential to potentially rub them up the wrong way.
13:31Therefore, they'll be like, you're not helping our plans to win as traitors.
13:37They already have said, haven't they, that they think if anyone's going to sneak out, it's Hugo out of the three of them.
13:42And Rachel even said she don't trust him.
13:44And I think if you don't trust each other.
13:49Yeah, it's not going to work.
13:52What do we think of Rachel as a traitor so far?
13:55Great.
13:56Good reaction faces to Storm.
13:57Yeah, yeah.
13:58I'm enjoying watching her.
14:00I think she's going to go very, very far.
14:03I think she's a bit like you.
14:04Yeah.
14:05She's the shard from the start.
14:06Yeah.
14:07She seems in control, but in a very calm, measured way.
14:11And Hugo is, I think, relishing playing the part.
14:14Yes.
14:15Like calling Claudia the Queen of Darkness and all of this sort of stuff.
14:18He's just, he's ready for panto.
14:20Yeah.
14:21Yeah.
14:22He'd make a great dame.
14:23Yeah, he would.
14:24He's being very open about his job, being a barrister.
14:28And is that the sort of job that you would have thought, maybe try and keep that secret?
14:31Definitely.
14:31Yeah.
14:32I also think that he's going to really struggle not having all the power.
14:35Yeah.
14:36I think that he's going to, I think he's going to really, really find that hard.
14:39Because he went in there with that mindset.
14:41Yeah.
14:41And now it's flipped.
14:42I think it's flipped his whole game.
14:44Yeah.
14:44And like, I think he's going to really struggle.
14:46Because obviously, once you're a traitor, like the whole thing is people not knowing who you are.
14:51So the fact that there's someone in that group that knows is scary.
14:56Yeah.
14:56And he strikes me as someone who has quite a lot of control and power in his life anyway.
15:01Yeah.
15:01It's scary, that, isn't it?
15:02So that's what he's used to.
15:03Yeah.
15:04Yeah.
15:04So to suddenly not have it, I think, is going to mess him up a little bit.
15:07Yeah.
15:08Yeah.
15:08And finally, Stephen, we should talk about Stephen.
15:10Very well dressed.
15:10Best dressed man on the show.
15:12Totally.
15:12Yeah.
15:13Do we think that's going to help him as a traitor?
15:14Yes.
15:14Yes.
15:15People trust fashionable people.
15:17Yes.
15:18Don't they?
15:18Yeah, look at Jonathan Ross.
15:20He stayed for ages.
15:21He wasn't fashionable.
15:22Do you not think it was his looks that kept him in?
15:24I think these lot were like, do you know what?
15:26Let's just see what he's going to wear tomorrow.
15:28So we're not saying he's as fashionable as Stephen, but he was quirky.
15:32I think let's see what Jonathan's wearing tomorrow is different to fashionable.
15:36Okay.
15:37I agree.
15:38There was one thing he was wearing I thought it was alive.
15:43He sat next to me and I went, skunk in it, and he said, no, it's attached to my jacket.
15:51But yeah, Stephen seems very affable as well.
15:53I think people will naturally trust him.
15:55Yeah.
15:56Yeah.
15:56He was quite like warm.
15:57Very friendly, charming.
15:59I think he's going to probably go the fourth out of the three.
16:01Any other words to describe him?
16:03Wholesome.
16:03Yep.
16:03He is wholesome.
16:04Yep.
16:05I think Pete, like you said, everyone's going to trust him.
16:07Yep.
16:08And therefore, the faithful will doubt that he is a traitor.
16:11But I think Rachel trusts him and I think he's going to have Rachel's back.
16:15So they'll work well together.
16:16Yeah.
16:17Lucy, now, obviously, you and the other faithful in your series struggle to catch traitors for
16:22quite a long time.
16:23Yeah.
16:23What do you think the chances are in this series of the traitors sneaking under the radar like
16:28Alan and Kat did?
16:29I don't think it's going to happen.
16:31I don't think it's going to happen with this.
16:33And I think, adding the secret trait, I think there's going to be a bigger turnover.
16:38I think they're going to get there.
16:40Molly, if you were in there as a faithful, is there anyone that you're suspicious of at
16:45this point?
16:45You're asking the wrong person.
16:47Whoever she says, it's the opposite.
16:49Literally, don't listen to me.
16:52Well, is there anyone in there that you trust and would be your best friend right until
16:55the end of the game?
16:56Oh, yeah, definitely.
16:57All three of the traitors.
17:00To be honest, at this stage, it's so early.
17:03Like, it really is.
17:05You don't know each other yet, which is the hardest thing because, like, it's hard to
17:07know if someone's slipping up like we talked about earlier.
17:09You don't know their personality.
17:11So is that just them or is that them being guilty?
17:15I think once you kind of get to know people, you can pick up on things a lot better.
17:19Yeah, I say.
17:20But, I say, Molly, who would you write down on the first banishment?
17:26Whoever everyone else was writing down, to be honest.
17:28Would you?
17:29Yeah.
17:29That Fiona thing doesn't help, does it?
17:31Like what you were saying about the small little things to go on.
17:34Maybe you'd vote Fiona.
17:35If I was a faithful, that's the only thing that I've got to go off.
17:38Yeah.
17:39That's it.
17:39You sit at the table with pretty much no idea.
17:42Nothing.
17:43You're obviously just going to take in everyone else's ideas.
17:45And to be quite honest, you're scared yourself of looking dodgy.
17:47So you're going to literally put kind of what the group's saying.
17:51And also, you need the group to work together to get someone out.
17:54And someone has to go, unfortunately.
17:55So it kind of makes sense if you have no idea.
17:58Obviously, if you have an inkling, then yeah, it's good to bring it up.
18:00If you have no idea, then go with the group, I say.
18:03So we've got a whole bunch of new players to get to know over the coming weeks.
18:08So let's discuss a few of them here.
18:09We've got a lot of people with interesting jobs this series.
18:13We've obviously got a secret barrister.
18:16Someone who is a barrister, but keeping it secret in Harriet.
18:19But we've got Hugo, who is an actual barrister.
18:22Or is he?
18:22And Hugo is being honest about being a barrister.
18:25Oh, so now you're worried that Hugo is pretending to be a barrister.
18:28He's a lollipop man.
18:30I think he's a Claire Balding impersonator.
18:32I love how this secret traitor thing has made none of you trust anything that we've seen.
18:37Like, I don't believe him.
18:39Okay, well, I think I can tell you that Hugo is genuinely a barrister.
18:43It'd be a rubbish job to choose to lie about otherwise.
18:46Do you think that is going to draw suspicion to him?
18:48Yeah.
18:49Yeah, I think when people have got nothing, you grab onto anything.
18:52So you think it's smarter, the thing that Harriet's doing, which is concealing being a barrister?
18:57Yeah, or like what Leanne did.
18:58Like, I just think do something that people see as more, like, everyday relatable, I think makes sense.
19:04And if she can keep it a secret, that is.
19:06Do you know what I mean?
19:06She might slip up.
19:07And I think that's another thing she's got to think about is you are lying in some way.
19:12And of course, we have the massive secret relationship, Judy and Roxy, a mother and daughter.
19:17Yeah.
19:17Let's remind ourselves of when Roxy revealed the secret.
19:21Oh, my gosh.
19:22James is running wild saying Judy is a traitor.
19:26I don't know if she's a traitor or not.
19:28Judy seems lovely, but I'm bound to say that, considering she's my mum.
19:37Bloody hell, well, my mind's crumbling.
19:39Keeping it secret just because I think if you come in as a pair, it's almost like an alliance.
19:45I feel super protective over her and hearing anyone, like, cast out on her for her actions is just generally not quite nice.
19:54So there we are.
19:55I mean, I personally think that Roxy's already doing quite a bad job of concealing the relationship.
20:00Because there's been conversations where she is talking to Judy in such a way that only a daughter would talk to their mum.
20:06yeah so going you're quite loud aren't you it's like no you're supposed to have just met me you've
20:11just met you're quite a loud lady aren't you and think of course that's your mum and also giving
20:15her tips didn't she in front of people yeah it wasn't kind of like pulling her off to the side
20:19yeah because i know like ross and diane had little chats on the side like ross said to her breakfast
20:23that morning like mum sort yourself out kind of thing didn't he but with this it was in front of
20:28someone and she was kind of like maybe go around to the group kind of giving her advice yeah why
20:32are you giving another player advice at this point it was also with dci amanda
20:37yeah because i thought if i was amanda and amanda's not the secret traitor i was a thought roxy are you
20:44the traitor because that's quite it's quite a weird thing to just say to someone you've met
20:48yeah like 24 hours ago kind of thing yeah they're goners aren't they yeah tomorrow they're going to
20:54come into breakfast and judy's going to be cutting up roxy's food for her thanks mom yeah here comes
21:01the airplane yeah i didn't like them when they were accusing judy because you instantly really
21:07like her and the fact that she's got a daughter and the job she does and stuff it really you feel
21:12quite protective yeah then i mean it would be clever twist if someone so sweet isn't and also be an
21:19interesting twist because she has a daughter in there yes and again like i just think the secret
21:24traitor is just so mysterious that it being someone's mum is well on top of it it's like bam bam bam
21:29i hope it's judy it would be good but not if they're going to get her out no no no she needs
21:35to stay till the end um now the other major thing that happened in this episode for me was netty and
21:40ross happened to know each other outside of the game poor old ross ross was not that bomb drop no
21:45he didn't and this i mean this appears to be a genuine complete coincidence yeah that they just
21:50happened to have met beforehand a long time ago as well it's not like a recent no and netty's like
21:55netty just runs like oh my god it's you ross is like whoa no please i'm convinced that they're
22:03actually like brother and sister or like they're married because i don't know she was just he was
22:09like i think he said to her let's pretend we don't know each other and she wasn't listening so then
22:15she's just like forgot that they're supposed to not know each other and then she's done that and now
22:19he's like yeah we haven't known each we haven't seen her in 10 years and it's like you've seen her
22:23last night so it's just a bit like it's just like yes and it's just him yeah yeah right let's just do
22:27whatever yeah i think it is genuinely just the concept and she's made the decision in that second
22:32she's not thought about it and she said oh hello we know each other whereas he's obviously had that
22:38extra thought of going this will not help us in the game yeah well it didn't because they both had
22:42their names he did did she as well she did yeah i think everyone's thinking what i'm thinking
22:48is there more to this than what they're saying second guessing everything yeah i do think if
22:53people come to believe netty then i feel like that that was genuine yeah then maybe they'll believe
23:00that she's a faithful because clearly she's not someone who's playing any kind of game or like a
23:04poker situation and has just gone oh yeah and then maybe afterwards they'll be like oh i shouldn't
23:08have said that yeah but it's therefore trustworthy yeah well it was a jam-packed episode but we can't
23:15move on until we've talked about the massive first mission the coffins in the lake uh but it wasn't as
23:21simple as it seemed because true traitors fashion there was an extra layer of savagery whoever had a
23:26coffin with the gold symbol put into their grave that meant that they were up for murder everyone who
23:32didn't have the coffin put in technically had a shield at that point and pretty brutal how do we think
23:37tactics played into this one of the groups said that they were just going for the first names
23:43that they saw which i think this early on in this in the game that's probably what you're best doing
23:48when you start to put people's names down for basically murder it's kind of like you say in
23:54the retreat or you don't trust them or and then that's going to cause people to think well why did
23:59you pick my name i'd be upset if i was a faithful and my name was one of those 10 names i'd be really
24:05upset particularly if it was anything other than just yeah yeah whereas if it's random then you're
24:09like fair enough it's the first name whatever because they were all claiming random weren't
24:13they they were like just put it in the closest one there was a little one team yeah said that they
24:18had two people that they thought were maybe traitors therefore don't bother wasting it on that and
24:25then that's poor old fiona's downfall when she got the wrong end of the ore yeah i'd also be upset if
24:29that was me and they'd just taken away my opportunity to have a shield i'd like agreed
24:34yeah it's yeah you're gonna remember that as well aren't you it's so difficult to know whether
24:39you should put the coffin in if you suspect someone of being a traitor or you should absolutely not put
24:43the coffin in yeah and even if you do think those things nobody wants to put stick their neck out so
24:48early on yeah i think i think doing the first thing yeah you see is the easiest thing to do because
24:53there's very little gameplay i think i'm just at the back of the coffin i'm holding on to it
24:56totally keeping quiet yeah yeah okay where do you want me to put it yeah with the new twist of
25:02the secret traitor molly what do you think people should be looking out for on the missions
25:05in terms of suspicions the missions are going to be a good time for the traitors to look for the
25:11secret traitor i guess but anyone who's just wearing a bit of red maybe a red cloak would do it
25:18that would help i think would help me the thing is the only person in there who would i think have
25:25red trousers would be hugo and we know he's a traitor already i think the thing that people
25:31could pick up on about the secret traitor if they're a traitor it's kind of anyone trying to
25:35maybe throw them under the bus and kind of give clues especially when it gets a bit deeper into
25:40the game and they need to find a traitor because it does get to that point where the faithfuls need
25:44to find a traitor because someone needs to go yeah so i think when it gets to that point and they're
25:49doing missions or even just day to day seeing who's trying to like throw you under the bus maybe
25:54might be a good way to pick them out and obviously we're narrowing it down now with like who they can
26:00murder and things like that but yeah maybe something like that could help them so who do we think is
26:04going to be the first murdered player obviously the traitors are working from the shortlist of james
26:11netty and maz so it's going to be one of those three oh not maz no not maz is a sweetheart isn't
26:17he yes but i don't think it'll be james because i think he's been too vocal so far yeah therefore
26:22the traitors could do with keeping him in because he's going to be one of the hot suspects so i feel
26:26like maybe netty considering the connection to us but then do you not think there's suspicion
26:32on netty because of that connection right yeah maz i i fear that it's gonna be maz and i don't want
26:38it to be he needs to practice his cobra mar yeah i'm quite there with it yeah and he's not gonna
26:46have time no yeah i think because james has been throwing out accusations yeah so the traitors would
26:52be silly to get rid of him because he will get himself banished that's what i think netty is
26:58potentially looking shifty with the ross connection and then that leaves maz but i don't want maz to go
27:04and i'll be devastated if it isn't funny how you instantly like some people have just you know
27:09not that they're not all kind but some people just radiate really kind there's a lot of what
27:14there's a lot of very warm players this time yeah i think maz and ross as well just really come
27:21through the screen yeah i don't know i sort of love them already i said he had five kids we all
27:25went oh yeah we did nice guys finished last they say oh i hope not well we've run out of time here
27:33but if you can't get enough the chat will continue on bbc sounds we're going to discuss what jobs and
27:39life experience make for the best traitors and faithful plus i'll be getting predictions from
27:43lucy mina molly and jack on whether they think the traitors or the faithful are going to win this
27:48series it's all in the bonus episode of uncloaked in your bbc sounds app right now find that in your
27:54app store or you can scan the qr code on screen we'll be back again after episode two of the
28:00traitors and this time on bbc one for the rest of the series we'll have the first murdered player and
28:05if anyone's banished they'll be here too plus some special guests including joe marler to unpack
28:10everything from the first few days at the castle a massive thanks to lucy mina molly and jack for
28:15joining me and thanks to you for watching as well i'm ed gamble stay faithful
28:20don't know about you i'm loving it already unconventional and unpredictable faithful
28:28hundy joe marler will see you now you can listen to that on bbc sounds and fast-paced dangerous and
28:34glamorous the new series of the night manager press red and leap into the opening episode that's on
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