00:00Well, the region has seen an incremental collapse of the diplomatic relationship between Israel and Turkey in recent years.
00:09It took about a decade to repair and restore the diplomatic ties, but in less than three years, it appears that's all been undone.
00:19Turkey has imposed trade restrictions, airspace bans, and there's been a near total diplomatic severance on both sides.
00:27Janzig, let's start with you first.
00:31In recent years, we've seen various red lines crossed without many international consequences.
00:38Is a Turkey-Israel conflict, direct or indirect, on the horizon?
00:45Thank you, and good to be with you again.
00:48Now, concerning a direct conflict, a war of some sort, I don't think so.
00:54I don't rule it out.
00:57But I don't think so.
00:58But concerning indirect confrontation, I think it's already ongoing.
01:05It's happening on the ground in many fields.
01:09When you look at what's happened in Syria, when you look at what's happening in Cyprus, in the eastern Mediterranean, etc., it's already happening.
01:18When you look at things from Ankara's perspective, you see that in Syria, Ankara wants a unitary state, wants the Syrian government to be successful.
01:31We want to see that a new parliament is formed, a democratic sort of government comes into force, and it's a running, stable country.
01:41And what we see is a destabilizing Israel in the region.
01:46It's efforts concerning the eastern Mediterranean, how it's acting with the Greek Cypriots, with Greece, how it's acting with the minorities in Syria, how it's supporting the SDF, PKK in Syria, etc.
02:05is all destabilizing for our region in terms of Ankara.
02:10But when you look at what Israel has been doing, also in Somaliland, for example, that's another step in the destabilization efforts of Israel, as we see it from our perspective.
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