Koffee with Karan - Season 2 Episode 08- Dr. Vijay Mallya and Shobhaa De
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00:00He truly lives life king size. He's unapologetically flamboyant, extremely stylish and always dynamic.
00:14He ruled on land and now rules the skies. Please welcome the king of good times, Dr. Vijay Maliya.
00:24Good evening sir. Good evening and welcome to Coffee with Karan.
00:28Thank you, Karan.
00:34All right, as I said, rule the skies. Is that true? Very true according to me.
00:39It's a fantastic airline. I have to tell you this in person.
00:42Well, thank you. That's really nice to hear.
00:45It's very gratifying considering the hard work that all of us have put into it.
00:50And we're nearly about to rule.
00:53Nearly? When you say nearly, what does that mean?
00:55Well, you know, we're only 21 months old.
00:57Yes.
00:58So, you know, an airline takes time.
01:02I think we've achieved the near impossible by inducting 23 aircraft, all brand new, into service in 21 months.
01:10Yeah.
01:10So, I think 2007 is going to be really exciting.
01:14Well, I'm sure it is. And congratulations for all your achievements.
01:18Now, your achievements bring me to just you, your persona, the man you are.
01:21I mean, most people who are industrialists or people in the business world have a certain image.
01:25You know, you're not one of those very serious industrialists who have a very serious kind of look on his face all the time.
01:31Your whole perception is so different, flamboyant.
01:34How do you react to that?
01:36Well, you know, at the end of the day, I have to repeat yet again that I have always lived life on my own terms.
01:43Yes.
01:43I've not been shy. I've not tried to hide anything. I'm totally transparent. I am what I am. And there's nothing wrong with that.
01:54I don't want to split personality. I don't need to be a hypocrite. I just be myself.
02:00And, you know, as far as the showmanship is concerned, I am brand ambassador of my brands and the brands are on lifestyle platforms.
02:10Yes.
02:11So what's wrong with that?
02:12No, of course, there's nothing wrong with that. I completely love the fact that you're like this.
02:16But you have this party image. And at times, do you find yourself defending that at places to people who expect you to be a little more serious?
02:21You know, but seriousness is no guarantee for success.
02:27Of course.
02:27If you don't have a party or you're more subdued, certainly is not a recipe for increased stakeholder value either.
02:37Yes.
02:38But, you know, if I like to party, I don't party alone. I party with people who also like to party. And there are many out there.
02:45Yeah. And as I said, it's all sort of on that lifestyle platform, which is becoming increasingly relevant in aspirational India today.
02:57Now, you're foreign to politics many years ago. What drove you to politics?
03:02You know, when I was 40, I said, you know, I've come a long way in my life. I've had my fair share of success.
03:11I've also had my failures. Yes. But I've never looked back. I've always treated my failures as stepping stones to success.
03:20I made mistakes, but I think the net balance sheet was pretty good. Yes. Very.
03:25And I said, what do I do now? Should I give back something to my country, to my state? And how do I do it?
03:33It's very clear that in India, you don't have a voice that's heard adequately unless you are fortunate enough to be sitting in parliament.
03:43Yes.
03:43And so I decided to run for parliament. In 2000, I failed miserably and, of course, invited all the criticism that's become synonymous with Vijay Maliya.
03:53Yeah. But in 2002, I defeated the sitting BJP candidate. Yes.
03:59And got elected to parliament. I was most excited. And even though, you know, for the last three years, four years almost, I've been a backbencher,
04:07I've always tried to stand up and speak about the need for accountability in governance.
04:14Yes.
04:15I think one of the key problems our country faces is the fact that, you know, we're not as poor as people think.
04:21The central government really allocates a lot of resources to the states for the betterment of poor, for developmental projects and what have you.
04:30Sure.
04:30But nobody is responsible for how that money is spent, where it went, and how the projects actually evolved.
04:37And that's what I've been trying to hammer home, accountability and governance.
04:41And, okay, it's part of parliamentary record.
04:44And what do you think your parliament vibe is? Because you're clearly unusual from the rest of them.
04:48And you look unusual, you feel unusual, you are unusual. What do you think the vibe is when you walk into parliament?
04:54No, actually, it's quite interesting. First of all, you know, I went in with my suit and my tie and stuff like that.
05:04And clearly, eyebrows were raised.
05:07Did you feel too well-dressed for parliament?
05:08I certainly felt too well-dressed, overdressed.
05:12So I decided, I said, fine, you know, let me also sort of go with the flow.
05:16Yeah.
05:17So I bought myself some sort of Indian outfits, kurta pajama.
05:23You know, I've got good friends in Tarun and Guddha.
05:26Yeah.
05:27They sort of designed me some stuff.
05:29And I, you know, dressed appropriately.
05:32Yes.
05:33But when I am in parliament, the atmosphere among all parliamentarians, particularly in Central Hall, is one that is completely seamless.
05:46All party affiliations seem to be forgotten.
05:50Barriers and conflicting points of view are out of the window.
05:54Yeah.
05:54And it's like an elite club there where everyone can walk up to everyone.
05:59Everyone's very approachable.
06:02They talk to you.
06:04And it's quite remarkable.
06:06And the amount of compliments I've got on Kingfisher Airlines from fellow parliamentarians is absolutely amazing.
06:13Well, that's fantastic.
06:14And I hope the airline, as I said again, continues to rock.
06:17Now, I'm going to introduce my next guest tonight, someone who is very dear to you as well and a friend of yours.
06:22All right.
06:22Now, you could call her opinionated, you could call her judgmental, but she never fails to air her views.
06:28And that's why we love her.
06:30She's a successful columnist, author and social commentator.
06:33Please welcome the very glamorous Shobhade.
06:41Good evening.
06:44Watch my step is right.
06:46Yeah.
06:46That's what I tell all the lovely ladies.
06:48Oh, should.
06:48Everybody else be watching this.
06:50Yes, well.
06:51Hi, sweetie.
06:52Hi.
06:54Looking wonderful, Vijay, as always.
06:56And you are absolutely stunningly gorgeous, as always.
06:59Welcome back to Coffee with Karan.
07:01Shubha has been on the show before.
07:02Great to be back.
07:03Yes.
07:04How does it feel to be back on the show?
07:05Actually wonderful, because the kind of response I got the first time around, anywhere in the world, where there are Indians and Pakistanis and people who monitor Indian television, it was always, we saw you on Coffee with Karan.
07:17So I think it says a lot about the show, it says a lot about the host, maybe a little about me too.
07:22All right.
07:23Fantastic.
07:23Well, I like that.
07:24Now, you've known Vijay how long, Shubha?
07:26Over 25 years, I'd imagine.
07:28Yeah.
07:28And it's been a good friendship?
07:30It's been an interesting friendship.
07:32Yes.
07:32It's had its ups and downs, but it's never been a boring or a static friendship, which I think is what keeps a relationship on its toes, and it doesn't, it makes sure you don't take each other for granted.
07:46All right.
07:47I think that's very key in a relationship.
07:49Absolutely.
07:49But I remember only the ups, not the downs.
07:52Oh, okay.
07:52Selective memory.
07:53He's lucky.
07:55Well, most people have that problem, actually.
07:57With Karan, I knew Vijay before he became Vijay Maliya, iconic, larger than life, and a very, very recognizable brand in India, as he is today.
08:09Yes.
08:10And for me, that's really the Vijay that I continue to remember with great affection, great fondness, and that's the Vijay I love and always will.
08:20And what about you?
08:20Very sweet.
08:21You have something nice to say about Shubha as well?
08:23Well, you know, one thing about Shubha is that she is very direct, straight from the heart.
08:30She says it like it is, and that's what I love about her.
08:35Well, on that note, I'm going to take a break.
08:38Sure.
08:39Well, as Vijay says, Shubha is frank, forthright, and straight from the heart, just the way we like it on Coffee with Karan.
08:45The King of Good Times and the Queen of Opinions, in conversation with Shubha Day and Dr. Vijay Maliya.
08:57All right, right, Queen of Opinions?
08:59Is that a good way to describe you, Shubha?
09:01It's not bad.
09:02Empress might be better.
09:03Empress?
09:03But he has a copyright to that already.
09:06No.
09:07I concede that to you.
09:10His super, super yacht is called the Indian Empress, or I would have happily stolen it for myself tonight.
09:15And I said conceded.
09:17What do you think about, personally, I was going to ask you that, actually, about actors in Parliament, you know, who are trying to make a mark politically?
09:25Well, I mean, most politicians are actors in Parliament anyway.
09:29So I think the actors would be in perfect company, except that they'd make better actors than the politicians, and probably be more convincing in what they're doing in Parliament than a lot of the politicians parading as politicians.
09:42Oh, really?
09:43And any one favorite actor MP you have?
09:47I'd say Hema Malini.
09:48I've got my money on her, because A, the lady is very intelligent.
09:53She has a track record, which is admirable.
09:57She seems very committed to what she's doing.
10:00She takes her role in Parliament seriously enough.
10:03She's just about finding her feet.
10:04But I think she's a good role model for a lot of people who might want to take the same path and maybe not equip themselves as wonderfully as Hema has done all her life.
10:16And so stunning, so that only helps.
10:17And so stunning, because right now Parliament is all about photo ops.
10:21Is that true?
10:23Yes, it is, isn't it?
10:25And if you look good while you're walking to Parliament, and you flank politicians who may look like, well, the backside of buses, and no one would carry their pictures if they didn't have two lovely ladies on either side, then I think it works well for everybody.
10:41And do you think they're doing a good job?
10:42I think they're doing well.
10:44But as Shobha said, you know, these guys have their own means.
10:49They're not dependent on politics for their livelihood.
10:53And people who don't have to depend on power or position are best suited to get things done in this country.
11:02All right.
11:02You believe that?
11:03I completely believe that.
11:04All right.
11:05You're perceived as somebody.
11:06Of course, you're a successful columnist, an author, a social commentator, and you've done so much.
11:10You write all the time.
11:11But yes, the perception is still page three, is still celebrated socialite.
11:15You know, the whole perception is larger than life, and people kind of slot you in a certain way.
11:19I think the smart thing to do, and I know that Vijay has done that consciously and very well, exceedingly well, is to convert whatever the perception is, turn it around, and make it your equity.
11:29You've got to know how to leverage that.
11:31Which I think he does.
11:32Yes, he does, wonderfully well.
11:34And there could be a Harvard study on how he's achieved it, and I mean that very seriously.
11:38Because his airline, his lifestyle, everything is interconnected.
11:41It's part of a piece.
11:42In my case, of course, it's slightly different because it's a bit of a downer for me if I'm constantly seen as a glamorous person who is on page three often.
11:52But the fact remains that I work harder than most people I know, and my productivity speaks for itself.
11:58But that doesn't matter.
12:00I don't want to be apologetic about it.
12:02I want to say I am on page three.
12:04Well, so is Ratan Tata, and so is Sachin Tendulkar, and so is Narayan Amurthy, so is Dr. Malia, and so are a whole lot of other people who are no longer being defensive about the fact that they can also have a life beyond what they're supposed to be doing.
12:18I love spotting myself in the papers in the morning.
12:20I almost get disappointed when I'm not in one.
12:23What do you like to say when you're, of course, when there are terms like elitist industrialist or elitist politician, does that bother you at all?
12:29No, it doesn't bother me, and I wonder why it should.
12:33I mean, America is proud of Bill Gates.
12:36Yes.
12:37Not apologetic about Bill Gates.
12:39Yeah.
12:39India should be proud of those who create wealth for their stakeholders as well as for themselves.
12:47There's nothing to be apologetic about.
12:49But we love the underdog in this country, don't we?
12:51And that's always a problem for people like you.
12:53Yeah, but at times, if that underdog is a political underdog, he probably is more wealthy than the industrialist who's a lot more transparent about his wealth.
13:03Yes.
13:04Yeah, that's true, actually.
13:05That's true.
13:06But I think that's also part of the hangover that we've been left with, the pseudo-socialist hangover that we glorified for 60 years about how it's wonderful to be poor.
13:17It's about time we change that.
13:18India is poised, as they're saying, and it is our moment, as they're also saying, and it's time that we capitalized on it and let the world know exactly what we're all about, that it's no longer one big begging bowl.
13:28I read a really cynical statement when I was in New York last month when they said, it was like on the front day, they said, politics and diapers both need to be changed.
13:38Lovely.
13:38Politicians and diapers both need to be changed.
13:40Lovely. Very nice.
13:41And I said, oh, my God.
13:42I said, that's the way a lot of people perceive politicians in India as well.
13:45And I hope that a decade later or two decades later, we'll have, I think, a fresher approach and, I think, a newer way of looking at things.
13:52If you got into politics, Karan, it would make a lot of difference, I can tell you.
13:56Well, I don't know.
13:56People like yourself.
13:57I don't know how qualified I am.
13:59What about you?
14:00Not an option so far.
14:01No?
14:01No.
14:02I think I'm better off being an independent voice.
14:04I think I'm more effective being that because the minute you get into politics, you're aligned to someone or the other, some party or the other.
14:11You are following more or less someone else's agenda and there's no getting away from that.
14:16So I think I'm better off being the person I am and giving whosoever deserves credit, the credit that's due,
14:24and also keeping the others on their toes when that is needed.
14:28So I prefer to, I prefer my position.
14:31Fantastic.
14:32And on that note, we're going to take another break.
14:35Politics on coffee with Karan.
14:36Who thought that would happen?
14:37Stay tuned.
14:38In conversation with Dr. Vijay Maliya and Shobade.
14:49All right.
14:50Now, I think it's a fantastic combination because more than anything else, both of you are now associated with each other professionally as well?
14:57We were, briefly.
14:58Briefly.
14:59Briefly.
14:59But I think it's best to remain friends and keep business out of relationships that matter to you.
15:04I believe that.
15:05No partnership with friends.
15:06It doesn't ever work, does it?
15:07No.
15:07It works much better when you're just friends.
15:10Now, have you ever mentioned him in a certain, what do I say, derogatory way in your column?
15:14Have you ever said anything that might have offended him in one of your columns?
15:18You better ask him.
15:19I don't know.
15:19I may have said something that's not derogatory, but certainly if it's something that could be, that I feel strongly enough about, I probably did say it.
15:28And would you hold back because you know Vijay so well?
15:32If you had something to say in the first place.
15:33If it had no impact on public life, then I would.
15:38Because it has no relevance to anybody.
15:40It's a private moment.
15:43And if I have access to a private moment that may not personally appear to me,
15:48I don't have the right to go public with it because it really is not done.
15:53But since he is a public figure, if he were to do something really awful in Parliament, yes, I would write about it.
15:59Talking on journalism, what is your take?
16:01I mean, let me ask you first on this big boom of the electronic media.
16:05As I said on this show, I said, you know, they're just landing up to the opening of an envelope as well.
16:10I mean, they'll go anywhere.
16:11You know, they'll land up for anything, cover anything.
16:13I mean, you put on the television and now they were knocking on your door earlier.
16:18Now they've entered your drawing room and, you know, they're just all over the place.
16:21What is your take on that kind of media?
16:22You know, there's one thing that Indian media desperately needs, and that is a sense of responsibility.
16:30Everyone wants a scoop.
16:32Yes.
16:33And editors seem to reward journalists who come with scoops.
16:37Yes.
16:37Now, there are two sides to every coin.
16:40Sometimes these scoops can be factually completely incorrect.
16:43Yes.
16:44Purely speculative in nature.
16:45And let's say there was an article on one of the business moves that I was making.
16:51Yeah.
16:52If I was indeed making such a move but chose not to talk about it for a variety of reasons, maybe it was premature.
16:59Yes.
16:59This speculative journalism could actually cost me a deal because people in the West don't respect this kind of speculative journalism that we have in India.
17:10They, in fact, take great offense at speculative articles, at reporting that's not factual and more fiction.
17:20So I think that media in general in this country needs to be a lot more responsible and must verify their facts before they, you know, either put pen to paper or broadcast something.
17:32And do you agree or do you endorse Vijay's views on that?
17:35Pretty much, though, on behalf of my fraternity, my colleagues.
17:40And I have been in this business long enough to know what I'm saying.
17:45The upside, of course, is that something like a Jessica Lahl would never have happened the way it has.
17:50The case wouldn't have progressed the way it did.
17:52If it wasn't for media intervention.
17:54If it had not been for media.
17:55So there is the downside, of course.
17:58And that's largely due to the fact that it's so competitive today.
18:01I mean, you know, a channel, there's a new channel, like it's like Chana.
18:05Every second day there's a packet of Chana and it's a new channel and they all want whatever you might throw at them, any scrap, which is why you see a whole bunch of non-entities who have nothing to recommend them actually having the gall to call themselves celebrities.
18:20Every second person you meet turns around without even a sense of irony and says, oh, but, you know, I'm a celebrity.
18:28So, you know, it's a kind of obsession to be famous.
18:31And I guess the pressure on channels and for newspapers is how do you compete?
18:36How do you get the scoops?
18:38And the hunger for scoops is not something that's new to India alone.
18:42You will see it anywhere where there is a tabloid culture and the paparazzi culture, which is just about coming to India, by the way, Vijay.
18:48We haven't seen nothing yet.
18:50And it's going to come where people will start getting married because they're getting paid for the coverage.
18:56They're going to start getting divorced because someone else is paying them an exclusive to cover the divorce.
19:00They'll have kids because someone wants to pay them for the first rights to the pictures of the kids.
19:05So, you know, we are right at the beginning of a cycle of tabloid journalism that the West has already experienced and taken to new levels.
19:15You know, the next level was, of course, the reality shows in the West, which have just about come to India.
19:20And we are just about getting used to the ideas.
19:22Now, Raki Saban is a household name.
19:24It's a household name.
19:25And, you know, it's done great things for her career.
19:27She was she was a nobody.
19:28And today people are willing to throw lax at her to come and perform in Orangabad or wherever.
19:33In Orangabad, I like that.
19:35Okay.
19:36You delegated Raki Saban to Orangabad.
19:38And on that note, we're going to take a break.
19:41All right.
19:41Media explosion, reality shows, all that's happening and more.
19:44Stay tuned.
19:52Still in conversation with Dr. Vijay Malia and Shobade.
19:55Now, since I come from the movies and I'm a part of the film fraternity, I think I'm going to turn to you.
20:00People might be very interested to find out how you perceive us, how you perceive Indian cinema, the movies currently, where we're heading, what's happening.
20:08Well, first of all, I don't see too many movies.
20:13So I'm not qualified to really comment.
20:16But then, you know, one inevitably sort of hears about the super hits.
20:21Yes.
20:22And then one feels sort of compelled to see them.
20:26Yes.
20:26And so I go out and buy a legitimate DVD.
20:30Okay.
20:31Say no to Piracy.
20:32And that's how I spend my time on my plane during long flights.
20:37So when is the last?
20:38You've never been to a cinema hall, of course, to see a film.
20:40I don't go to cinema halls that often.
20:46And you don't watch our movies too often either.
20:48No, I do.
20:48As I said, you know, those that sort of have made it, I definitely try to watch them.
20:57I just flew back from the U.S. two days ago and got a hold of a DVD of Munna Bhai and watched it.
21:04And of course, laughed my guts out.
21:06That was fantastic.
21:07And I think every Indian must see Munna Bhai.
21:09I think Lagira Munna Bhai is one film that even if you watch in the cinema, don't watch in the cinema, it's a must watch in that respect.
21:14Now, you, of course, I'm sure, are quite the Einox visitor.
21:19And I think you make it to the movies every Friday.
21:22I'm compulsive.
21:24And, you know, wild horses can't keep me aware.
21:27I'm completely hooked.
21:28Also, because I believe movies are the single most important aspect or component of popular culture,
21:35the way they impact our lives in ways that most of us won't even recognize on an obvious level.
21:42It's the whole subliminal pop culture phenomenon that I've been monitoring for so many years.
21:47And therefore, it's very important to know which movies are hitting the right notes and which have got their finger on the pulse.
21:53So, I watch movies because I find movies a great education and a great indicator of what India is thinking or what filmmakers would like India to think, which is even more significant.
22:05So, yes, I watch almost every movie that I just have to read an Einox ad.
22:12There's a new movie.
22:12Kids, let's go.
22:13And also, think of it as a great stress buster.
22:16To me, it is...
22:17In both ways.
22:18I mean, absolutely.
22:18It is the good ones and the bad ones.
22:20Good ones, bad ones.
22:21I mean, that experience.
22:22Sometimes bad ones can be great stress busters.
22:24Also, because you're just sitting there and...
22:26Laughing at them.
22:27Or laughing at them or getting angry and saying, God, do I really need this?
22:31And you may be angry about something totally different when you came into the movie hall, but now your anger is directed at the filmmaker.
22:37So, it's great.
22:38Which is the last film that angered you?
22:40That angered me?
22:41It was Bhagambhag.
22:42Oh, God.
22:43And I thought it was truly ghastly and really terrible.
22:46But I'm told it's become a hit or it's a super hit at any rate.
22:50And I went to see it because I like Govinda and I think he's a wasted actor.
22:54And I felt that perhaps he has somehow redeemed himself in this film, but it was...
23:00I mean, anyone could have done this role.
23:02It's the old sort of Johnny Walker routine.
23:04It was dreadful.
23:05But the film that I really enjoyed, of course, apart from Guru, was the one that Vijay has produced called The Forest.
23:11Yes.
23:12And I felt that Javed Jaffrey, again, very underutilized, a good actor who hasn't found his niche.
23:19But like Mittul Chakraborty, I hope someone smart gives him that break, perhaps you, in your next film.
23:24And we see a very different side to Javed.
23:27Yes, he's done some good work recently.
23:28Very good work.
23:28He's trying to make a kind of a comeback, I think.
23:30Yeah, he deserves better roles.
23:32And I think he was very good in The Forest.
23:34More of your opinions, but only now on my rapid fire.
23:37So I'm going to do that.
23:39Shobha, I'm going to start with you.
23:40You know the drill, Vijay.
23:41This is the rapid fire round.
23:43I ask quick questions.
23:45I expect quick replies.
23:46And then one of you, and I decide that.
23:48Who wins this time the very heavy coffee hamper?
23:51We have more goodies in this, and I'm sure you're dying to win it, Vijay.
23:54All right, okay.
23:55Which actress should win the following pageant titles?
23:58Miss Fashion 4-Pan.
24:01Kajol.
24:03Oh, dear.
24:04Miss, all right, okay.
24:05Miss Hype.
24:08Mallika Sherabath.
24:09All right.
24:10The first word that comes to your mind when I say the following words.
24:12Infidelity.
24:14Kank.
24:15All right, okay.
24:17Viagra.
24:19Salman Khan.
24:21All right, okay.
24:22One Hindi film in recent times that you wish you had written?
24:27Omkara.
24:28Wonderful adaptation.
24:30Fabulous adaptation.
24:32Which actor or actress or celebrity would be the perfect choice to endorse the following products?
24:38Hair remover.
24:41Ajay Devgan.
24:42All right.
24:43Nasal drops.
24:45Reshmeya.
24:46Himesh.
24:47All right.
24:48G-strings or thongs?
24:49Malika again.
24:53Sleeping pills.
24:55Sanjay Dutt.
24:57All right, okay.
24:58From the film fraternity, according to you, who would be the perfect celebrity wife?
25:03Aishwarya.
25:04The perfect celebrity mother?
25:06Jaya.
25:07The perfect single woman?
25:09Shushmita.
25:10All right.
25:11The perfectly mismatched couple?
25:12I would have said Vivek and Ash in the old days.
25:17All right.
25:19That didn't happen.
25:20The first word that comes to your mind when I say the following names.
25:24Lalu Prasad Yalav.
25:26Tomorrow's leader.
25:27Okay.
25:28Raki Sawant.
25:31Incredibly original.
25:33Okay.
25:34Saurav Ganguly.
25:36Comeback kid.
25:37But more than that, a very intelligent captain.
25:40Okay.
25:41Ekta Kapoor.
25:43Productive, smart, sassy, clever, successful.
25:50All right.
25:50If a fatwa was declared against you for your writings, your reaction would be?
25:54Wow, I'm in great company.
25:56All right.
25:59Great.
26:00All right.
26:00Which celebrity would you gift the following books?
26:02Mommy Dearest?
26:04Shri Devi.
26:04The argumentative Indian.
26:10Shah Rukh.
26:11All right.
26:11Start late, finish rich.
26:14Simi.
26:16Okay.
26:17A politician or leader who you think we all need to send flasks to, Gandhi Giri style.
26:22Amir Singh.
26:24Okay.
26:25All right.
26:26Very quickly then, choices.
26:27Hrithik Aamir Saif, Shah Rukh Abhishek, the better actor, according to you.
26:31Hrithik.
26:32Lagera, Munabhai or Rang Devasanthi?
26:35Oh, Lagera.
26:36There's no debate there.
26:38Don 2 or Dhoom 3, the sequel you're more excited about?
26:41I think they should can both and leave us with the memory.
26:45All right.
26:46Okay.
26:47All right.
26:48Aishwarya, Rani, Kajal, Kareena, Preeti, the better actress.
26:52Kareena.
26:54Rahul Gandhi or Priyanka Gandhi, the potential future?
26:57Rahul, because he is the future.
26:59Priyanka is the future we might have preferred, but I don't see it happening.
27:04All right then.
27:05Thank you very much, Shobha.
27:07As expected, you did exceedingly well in the rapid-fire round.
27:11All right, Vijay.
27:12Are you ready?
27:13I am.
27:14All right.
27:15The living business icon in India whom you admire?
27:18Suril Mittal.
27:20The current Bollywood actress who you wouldn't mind on all 12 months of your calendar?
27:23Nashwarya, Raya.
27:27All right.
27:28If there was a film made on your life, which current actor would you want playing you on
27:32screen?
27:33Hrithik Roshan.
27:34All right.
27:35Okay.
27:36And who would you want as your leading lady?
27:39Sushmita Sen.
27:41All right.
27:41If you were made Prime Minister, the first change you would initiate on the following issues.
27:46Prohibition.
27:47I'd dispense with prohibition wherever it existed.
27:51All right.
27:52Okay.
27:52And corruption, as we discussed.
27:54I'd pass a law that made corruption the most serious punishable offense.
27:59All right.
28:00One announcement we are most likely to hear.
28:03Vijay Malia sells his Ferrari and becomes a monk.
28:06Vijay Malia to support nationwide prohibition.
28:09Or Vijay Malia to direct a Bollywood film.
28:12Well, out of those three choices, I think the third one, Vijay Malia to direct a Bollywood
28:16film, it's the easiest of the lot.
28:19And the most possible, you think?
28:21All right.
28:21Okay.
28:22Okay.
28:22Fantastic.
28:23The one current actor who has all the qualities to make a great Prime Minister?
28:30None.
28:31Ramita Bachchan.
28:32The one current actor who would be the worst choice for Prime Minister?
28:39Govinda.
28:40One word you would use to describe the person behind the persona, Lakshmi Mittal.
28:48Ambitious.
28:49Mukesh Ambani.
28:51Meticulous.
28:52Anil Ambani.
28:53On the fast track.
28:56Azeem Premji.
28:58Conservative.
28:59Sharath Bawar.
29:01Solid.
29:02And ten years from now, Vijay Malia will be complete the sentence.
29:09Number one in whatever he does.
29:11All right.
29:12Fantastic.
29:12The first word that comes to your mind when I say the following names.
29:16Sonia Gandhi.
29:20Inspirational leader.
29:21Manmohan Singh.
29:24Solid economist.
29:26Manika Gandhi.
29:30Rash environmentalist.
29:33I like the rash.
29:34Yes, yes.
29:35That's what I like as well.
29:36Jaya Lalita.
29:44Miscalculated this time.
29:47Okay.
29:48Lalu Prasad Yadav.
29:50Populist.
29:51All right.
29:52Fantastic.
29:52Very quickly then.
29:53Rani, Kajal, Ash, Kareena, Preeti.
29:56The reigning queen according to you.
29:57Preeti.
29:59All right.
29:59Why no women which is easier to give up?
30:03Women.
30:05All right.
30:06Shah Rukh Amir, Hrithik, Saif, Abhishek.
30:08The better actor.
30:09Shah Rukh.
30:11All right.
30:12Again Rahul or Priyanka?
30:15Potential future PM or potential future politician?
30:18One is already.
30:19Rahul Gandhi.
30:20You'll have your bucks on him.
30:21Rahul Gandhi, yes.
30:22All right.
30:23The first word that comes to your mind when I say the following words.
30:26Infidelity.
30:28Good luck.
30:31All right.
30:33Viagra.
30:38Disappointed that you need it.
30:40All right.
30:41Okay.
30:41And that was your rapid fire round.
30:43And I think you did exceedingly well as well.
30:45We're going to announce the result right after I take a break.
30:47All right.
30:48Both Vijay and Shobha did really well in my rocking rapid fire round.
30:52Stay tuned for the result.
31:01All right.
31:02We just finished the rapid fire round.
31:04And I'm a bit confused.
31:07So, I'm going to give a tie breaker question.
31:09This time we've done that.
31:10Unfair.
31:11Like a tie breaker for me to decide who's going to win the rapid fire hamper.
31:16So, tell me.
31:17A rumor you heard recently that you believe.
31:22That Aishwarya and Abhishek are in fact not going to get married next month.
31:29All right.
31:29Okay.
31:30A rumor you heard recently that you believe.
31:34That Aishwarya and Abhishek are in fact getting married.
31:38Now, see, this makes my life even more difficult.
31:42That's the whole idea.
31:43Oh, God.
31:43We planned this.
31:44Well, I think since you've planned it, I'm going to give both of you the hamper because
31:47there's nothing I can do.
31:48And I think both these answers were clever enough.
31:51So, well, I think a tie breaker, but there's nothing came out of it.
31:54So, both of you win the coffee hamper.
31:56It's a share.
31:57So, this is the hamper that I'm going to place right in the middle of both of you.
32:01Congratulations.
32:03Thanks, Karan.
32:03God, I thought the tie breaker would clinch the deal, but it clearly didn't.
32:07But congratulations to the proud winners of the Coffee with Karan coffee hamper.
32:12One thing that we haven't changed in this show is the last two segments.
32:15Of course, we've just done with the rapid fire round, and then we do a bit of a survey.
32:18We go and speak to people, and they have their comments to make on the both of you.
32:22So, we'd like to show you what happened.
32:24And for you, Shobha, we went to, well, popular journalists, media figures, editors of magazines,
32:31people who've known you and have judged your work, appreciate your work, and have had things to say.
32:36And we went to all the younger kids and the party boys and girls from the film fraternity
32:40and asked them how they perceive Dr. Vijay Maliya.
32:44So, please have a look.
32:45When I hear the name Shobha Day, the first thing that comes to my mind is super stylish.
32:50Whether you agree with her brand of journalism or not, the fact is that she changed the face of journalism in India.
32:56She brought in a certain kind of writing style, a certain kind of reporting.
33:00Shobha Day as a columnist is racy, she's fun, she's irreverent.
33:04Brilliantly witty, interesting, critical.
33:08And it's very difficult to become iconic when you are rubbing so many people the wrong way.
33:15And I think that's been the great part about her achievement so far.
33:18She's moved from being the high priestess of porn to becoming the grand lady of social comment.
33:25Shobha as a columnist, sometimes I think she writes too much.
33:28I think she should be a little more, she should hold back a little more and write on subjects which can make a difference.
33:37She says things that everybody else is scared to say, she says things directly, she says what people want to hear, people have been thinking.
33:45And before you know it, it's there in Shobha's column.
33:47Shobha should write about what she knows best, that society.
33:52She has acquired a persona as being some priestess of marriage or human relationships.
34:02You know what, I've heard that she's also going to write on sports.
34:05She's writing a serial which is going to be based on sports, I think on some cricket thing, and she'll write people like me out of business.
34:11In future, Shobha needs to turn her incisive wit towards the way journalism is right now.
34:17I would very much like a little bit of honesty to come and shred page three journalism.
34:22The more I read buff journalism, the more I want writers like Shobha, sort of saying, that isn't the case.
34:29You are not the most beautiful person, you haven't thrown the greatest party, and just because you sneeze in public, you don't deserve the Nobel Prize.
34:37I would like to tell Shobha that I wish much more power to her.
34:42I do pray she continues to be a force that can make a difference and continues to look as wonderful and write as strongly as she does.
34:53More power to your elbow and more strength to the ink in your pen, Shobha.
34:57Come on, Shobha.
34:58Grill Karan, give him a taste of his medicine.
35:01Don't have coffee with him.
35:02I think he needs to have a nice glass of wine with you.
35:05I love you, Shobha.
35:06Marry me.
35:06Mr. Amalia, you think of him, you obviously think of Kingfisher, but the first thing that came to my mind was this swimsuit calendar.
35:17Sexy models.
35:19Flamboyance.
35:20Party animal.
35:21Rockstar.
35:22Rich.
35:24Lot of babes around him.
35:26Business enterprise.
35:27A brand.
35:28Marketing.
35:29Yes, flamboyant.
35:30Kingfisher calendar.
35:31Beer.
35:33Airlines.
35:35Red.
35:36And all these sexy models and very nice yacht and this lifestyle which is larger than life.
35:43Richard Branson of India or probably more than that.
35:46He just plainly rocks.
35:47Kingfisher Airlines.
35:48When you think of the Kingfisher Airlines, you think of the calendar and you expect the aerostasis to look like the ones in the calendar.
35:56Very comfortable seats, great food and I like his airline.
36:01I flew his airline and I think it rocks.
36:03The motto behind his, you know, Kingfisher Airlines is that luxury, basically.
36:09I think he embodies it.
36:11He embodies it, whether it's his yacht or whether it's, you know, living life king size, literally.
36:16He defines luxury every time, you know, as Indian, you travel airlines and you know that airline is the best.
36:24Definitely one of the most comfortable I've been in.
36:25I want to salute Mr. Vijay Mallya for making, I think, the best commercial domestic airline in the world.
36:32A lot of people make a lot of money but truly in their lifetime at least, they don't really enjoy it the way they should or the way they can.
36:41That's definitely something that's great about Vijay.
36:45He's the dream giver of showbiz somehow.
36:49He lives in a dreamland.
36:51His lifestyle is king size like he calls himself and his airline is bloody good.
36:56King of good times to me can also sound like, you know, only fun and partying.
37:03But I think there's a great brain at work there and entrepreneur.
37:07Dr. Mallya, your airline rocks, your calendar rocks and you rock.
37:11Way to go.
37:12Give me free tickets.
37:13All I can say, it's been great knowing you and having fun with you and just watching you live your life.
37:19I think it's inspiration to us all on so many levels.
37:23Cheers.
37:23Keep it up, man.
37:24Just enjoy life.
37:25Did you have fun watching all of that?
37:27Oh, yes.
37:27It was lovely.
37:28Vijay, did you have fun watching that?
37:30I had a lot of fun.
37:31It was, I'm both humbled and delighted.
37:36It was most gratifying to hear what has been said about Kingfisher Airlines, the Kingfisher Swimsuit Calendar.
37:46You know, these are all the extensions of the Kingfisher Lifestyle brand.
37:52And I'm so glad, I'm delighted to hear that it's been appreciated.
37:57And they all had wonderful things to say about the calendar as well.
38:00I mean, all of them said, you know, we think of the calendar because the calendar is monstrous
38:04and it has all these stunning beauties.
38:07I mean, very, very little, of course, which helps.
38:09Karan, I must say that the calendar is not about pretty girls with great bodies dressed in swimsuits.
38:18The calendar is about showcasing modern India.
38:22We try to encourage young talent using this calendar as a fashion platform.
38:29And the only thing constant is, of course, Atulka's baker behind the lens.
38:33Yes, he shoots.
38:34I think it works very well.
38:35I think it represents young, modern, vibrant India.
38:39But there's a whole large section also of people who I think is rather unnecessary,
38:42the ones who object to this kind of display of skin.
38:44And, you know, whenever we have this kind of swimsuit round at, you know, at pageants
38:49or, you know, when it happened, the whole controversy during this world when it was hosted in Bangalore,
38:53this whole nonsense about, you know, wearing these kind of clothes and parading the ramp.
38:57And people have an issue with even that.
38:58I mean, you know, because it's, I think, hypocritical on a certain level.
39:02They have an issue with M.F. Hussain painting what he does.
39:04So, that's a hundred times, to me, less provocative and less offensive.
39:11But that's what we are allowing ourselves to degenerate into,
39:14a nation policed by people who have no business to be policing us in the first place.
39:19That's true. You agree with that?
39:21I entirely agree with that.
39:22Have you received any kind of criticism for the calendar?
39:24Oh, yeah. In fact, this Maharashtra Mahila Sangha last year threatened to prosecute me
39:30because of the Kingfusha calendar.
39:32And I wrote back to them. I said, listen, this is not for public sale.
39:36It's for private distribution.
39:38Yes.
39:38But they made a big deal out of it.
39:41You know, all these NGOs can certainly sort of divert their time and attention
39:49into worthwhile causes, in this case, facing women.
39:56But then I did not put a gun to the head of these models and make them pose in swimsuits.
40:02They did it voluntarily.
40:05Yes.
40:05So, who is the Mahila Sangha to sit in judgment?
40:10And particularly when this is not for sale at every street corner,
40:15they should not bother about it and attend to other things.
40:19But even if it was on sale, I think, what's the problem?
40:22You know, there is absolutely no problem.
40:24They are not obscene images.
40:25Most of the time, Karan, it's people who are looking for instant recognition
40:28through a controversy of this kind, who have nothing else to do,
40:32who are motivated by a political party,
40:34and it's their way of getting into the headlines and drawing attention to themselves.
40:38Instead, why don't they actually do something concrete for women?
40:42Or if they're so bothered about the exploitation of women,
40:44why don't you go to the aid of women who actually need it,
40:48who are women in distress?
40:49Instead of diverting their energies into it.
40:51Instead of diverting their attention to something like this.
40:52I mean, do something that actually is tangible
40:56and that the benefit can be seen and experienced by those who most need it.
41:01Yes.
41:01Well, I agree with that.
41:03Well, on that note, we've reached the end of the show.
41:05Thank you very, very much.
41:06Thank you for being with us, Vijay,
41:08and thank you for taking our time.
41:10And thank you, Shobha, again.
41:11Thank you for being back on Coffee with Karan.
41:13My pleasure.
41:13And it was a great show.
41:14Thank you very much.
41:15But I'm not going to let you go so easily.
41:17There's a mug right next to you, Shobha.
41:19You remember you have to sign it.
41:20Yes.
41:21And then...
41:21Well, we're going to take that cup
41:33and take it to this coffee bowl of fame
41:35and place it right there.
41:37Thank you very much.
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